On FB the City Of OKC basically pleads for people to get vaccinated. Read the comments and you'll get a handle on the vaccination problem.

On the "plus" side, this Delta wave is likely to give antibodies to a large number of the population (either through vaccines or natural infection) and hopefully is the last big wave before this thing turns endemic and just burns in the background like the flu or colds or other viruses. Also, Delta burns quickly (just check out the stats in the Netherlands or UK or Russia or Indonesia) so we should be done with this masking business by Halloween at the latest.

Ya looks like other countries hit with this burned through it real fast.

Right, but for vaccinated folks breakthrough cases tend to be asympomatic or mild. This is somewhat expected as vaccinated people are often going on about their lives since they are largely protected. Early evidence suggests vaccinated people are also less likely to spread COVID to others when infected.

The risk of a COVID case for an unvaccinated person with the dominant Delta variant is now more harmful for hospitalizations, death, and spread than it ever has been in the pandemic.

Don't shoot the messenger, but I just read that vaccinated people who develop Covid are still capable of transmitting a full viral load, hence the CDC decision to recommend indoor masking again, especially in areas with a lot of unvaccinated freaking idiots, like Oklahoma.

EDIT: Here is the article.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-administration-recommend-vaccinated-wear-masks-areas-low-vaccination-rates-n1275012

Most of Oklahoma should start wearing masks again with high transmission rates per the CDC

https://i.insider.com/61007dd1f350d50019594a9b?width=700

Most of Oklahoma should start wearing masks again with high transmission rates per the CDC

https://i.insider.com/61007dd1f350d50019594a9b?width=700

Congratulations to the anti-vaxxers and the vaccine "hesitant." You did it!

There was a comment above that Delta is going to "burn" quickly based on stats from the UK and that we'll be through this wave by October (with thousands more Americans unnecessarily dead and thousands of children left without a parent). That might be true insofar as Delta is concerned, but we would do well to remember new variants are coming. Viruses want to survive, and those who refuse to get vaccinated are providing the virus a wonderful environment to achieve that aim--and endangering the rest of us in the process.

Congratulations to the anti-vaxxers and the vaccine "hesitant." You did it!

There was a comment above that Delta is going to "burn" quickly based on stats from the UK and that we'll be through this wave by October (with thousands more Americans unnecessarily dead and thousands of children left without a parent). That might be true insofar as Delta is concerned, but we would do well to remember new variants are coming. Viruses want to survive, and those who refuse to get vaccinated are providing the virus a wonderful environment to achieve that aim--and endangering the rest of us in the process.
I’m not necessarily saying I support mandatory vaccines at this time but I do wonder how many times people will put up with this until a serious discussion about mandatory vaccines is had. I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, I think this pandemic might change the world more than most people think. Personally I think we should have that discussion sooner rather than later but if you are correct and more variants sprout and thrive, what other options are there?

Ridiculous that we have the solution to this and refuse to use it. Well half the country refused to use it, but their refusal impacts everyone.

I know this thread isn't in the politics forum, but there is a clear incentive to ALL political leaders to get their base vaccinated. Do they want their votes to literally die???

Ridiculous that we have the solution to this and refuse to use it. Well half the country refused to use it, but their refusal impacts everyone.
That’s why we need to decide what the next steps are. Clearly the government in Oklahoma thinks there is no issue therefore no conversation to be had. This is absurd and it’s scary to think we are moving towards a future like idiocracy. You want to think this is probably the dumbest era in American history and it won’t get worse.

PS, consider this when going to Coffee Slingers:

https://kfor.com/news/coronavirus/cdc-officials-ask-that-face-masks-be-worn-as-covid-19-surges-again-but-some-oklahomans-resistant/amp/

That’s why we need to decide what the next steps are. Clearly the government in Oklahoma thinks there is no issue therefore no conversation to be had. This is absurd and it’s scary to think we are moving towards a future like idiocracy. You want to think this is probably the dumbest era in American history and it won’t get worse.

PS, consider this when going to Coffee Slingers:

https://kfor.com/news/coronavirus/cdc-officials-ask-that-face-masks-be-worn-as-covid-19-surges-again-but-some-oklahomans-resistant/amp/

Thanks for the heads-up, f*** Coffee Slingers. If anybody wants coffee from a local place that actually follows science, go to Classen Coffee, they've been good about it since it all started.

1,474 new cases today. Last several Wednesdays: 1,203; 1,082, 151, 276.

7-day rolling average now 1,236

Hospitalizations are 639 (+62).

ICU is 203 (+16).

Those hospital numbers are very troubling.

That number was down to 106 just 6 weeks ago, and has increased 6-fold to 639.

ICU is just as bad; had been down to 30 and has increased over 6-fold to 203.

I will be the first in line when this is available.

Really hoping that by this summer we will be starting to regain normalcy.
I was going back to look at numbers from last year to compare and saw this comment from December of 2020. lol all because some people don’t want to get a shot.

^

I'll be first in line for a booster as well.


It's unbelievable we have a free, easy solution and people just won't bother. Then, want to bitch nonstop about 'freedoms' and mask mandates.

Freedom has a price, and in this case it amounts to about the smallest effort imaginable.

^

I'll be first in line for a booster as well.


It's unbelievable we have a free, easy solution and people just won't bother. Then, want to bitch nonstop about 'freedoms' and mask mandates.

Freedom has a price, and in this case it amounts to about the smallest effort imaginable.

Heard a bit of story the other day how there are multitudes of Chinese students coming over to the US to study, being exposed to the circus of our political theater (both pre but especially post pandemic) and returning home after graduation with the notion that democracy and capitalism just are not worth it and that the trade off with what they have to deal with in China is better.

Pretty crazy that the "greatest country in the world" is operating in such a way that the rest of the world is like "DO NOT WANT".

I know this thread isn't in the politics forum, but there is a clear incentive to ALL political leaders to get their base vaccinated. Do they want their votes to literally die???

That is a major reason why people refuse to get the vaccine. They fear it will cause them to die in a matter of days to by the next year to two. They're stuck between a rock and a hard place from not knowing what will happen to them from getting vaccinated and not knowing what will happen to them from getting sick with COVID-19.

The anti-vaxxers are mighty active in putting out their crazy crap, but I don't see much debunking it.

That is a major reason why people refuse to get the vaccine. They fear it will cause them to die in a matter of days to by the next year to two. They're stuck between a rock and a hard place from not knowing what will happen to them from getting vaccinated and not knowing what will happen to them from getting sick with COVID-19.

More like they're stuck between cable news and social media.

I can't say how widespread this group is but I've overheard or been in at least a dozen discussions the last couple of weeks with people that simply hadn't heard of Delta or that numbers were going back up. No fear or misinformation keeping them from getting vaccinated. Just no information at all. And all of these oblivious people were in their 20s.

I can't say how widespread this group is but I've overheard or been in at least a dozen discussions the last couple of weeks with people that simply hadn't heard of Delta or that numbers were going back up. No fear or misinformation keeping them from getting vaccinated. Just no information at all. And all of these oblivious people were in their 20s.
It's because the people in their social media bubble aren't talking about it, and they mostly are no longer exposed in any way to traditional news. 10 or so years ago when I started hearing and reading people openly bragging about getting their news exclusively via social media I knew that as a society we were in for a world of hurt; I just didn't know exactly what it would look like. THIS is what it looks like.

I can't say how widespread this group is but I've overheard or been in at least a dozen discussions the last couple of weeks with people that simply hadn't heard of Delta or that numbers were going back up. No fear or misinformation keeping them from getting vaccinated. Just no information at all. And all of these oblivious people were in their 20s.

I get that some people don't follow the news religiously which is fine, but I have a hard time wrapping my head around the fact that people are that oblivious.

Willful ignorance.

I don't care where you get your news, if you aren't aware of the recent surge you are putting in effort to avoid it.

Willful ignorance.

I don't care where you get your news, if you aren't aware of the recent surge you are putting in effort to avoid it.

Willful ignorance includes self-selecting away from news sources who tell you things you don't like hearing, plus complete acceptance of algorithmic subservience. We all create our own bubbles, whether we are aware of it or not. A thinking person challenges their personal news bubble. Unfortunately, we aren't a nation of self-reflective deep thinkers.

Willful ignorance includes self-selecting away from news sources who tell you things you don't like hearing, plus complete acceptance of algorithmic subservience. We all create our own bubbles, whether we are aware of it or not. A thinking person challenges their personal news bubble. Unfortunately, we aren't a nation of self-reflective deep thinkers.

That is very true but no matter how selective your bubble, you have to go out of your way to not know about this surge.

I'm very sure lots of people specifically tune it out because they just don't want to hear it.

That's the difference between confirmation bias and willful ignorance.

That is very true but no matter how selective your bubble, you have to go out of your way to not know about this surge.

I'm very sure lots of people specifically tune it out because they just don't want to hear it.
Seriously Pete, I'm not so sure. You and I are similar in age so it is difficult for me to imagine not at the very least turning on broadcast television, but there is a broad swath of society who by choice doesn't even have broadcast channels available to them. They don't EVER read a paper, or look at a site like this. Many in their 20s and even 30s think Facebook and Twitter are only for olds. They stream video content without any news, they stream commercial-free (and news-free) music on Spotify. The only way many of these people would hear about it is in conversation with friends and loved ones, and most of their friends and loved ones are just as disconnected (or believe it's over, or a sham, or whatever).

I'm just saying that I think it is VERY possible to walk through life right now and be blissfully unaware of the approaching storm clouds.

The bubble concept is strong in this. The people I referred to are all bartenders/servers. Their life is work, make tips, party with friends, sleep, repeat. Lack of knowing things is just unintentional lack of paying any attention to the outside world. And the feeling of invulnerability of youth.

And thinking back on what I do remember of my wild youth I was pretty much the same way.

Seriously Pete, I'm not so sure. You and I are similar in age so it is difficult for me to imagine not at the very least turning on broadcast television, but there is a broad swath of society who by choice doesn't even have broadcast channels available to them. They don't EVER read a paper, or look at a site like this. Many in their 20s and even 30s think Facebook and Twitter are only for olds. They stream video content without any news, they stream commercial-free (and news-free) music on Spotify. The only way many of these people would hear about it is in conversation with friends and loved ones, and most of their friends and loved ones are just as disconnected (or believe it's over, or a sham, or whatever).

I'm just saying that I think it is VERY possible to walk through life right now and be blissfully unaware of the approaching storm clouds.
True. I think a lot of us. Me included most of the time. Forget how little we cared about anything but having a good time when we were young.

The bubble concept is strong in this. The people I referred to are all bartenders/servers. Their life is work, make tips, party with friends, sleep, repeat. Lack of knowing things is just unintentional lack of paying any attention to the outside world. And the feeling of invulnerability of youth.

And thinking back on what I do remember of my wild youth I was pretty much the same way.

You see Swake, just like I said in the other thread. If you look at the numbers, this is the young working class I was referencing. I encourage you to stop running them down and reflexively pointing to Trump. QAnon people maybe against the jab on political grounds, but it does not mean that everyone without the jab is a right wing, Trump supporter, insert insult here.

You see Swake, just like I said in the other thread. If you look at the numbers, this is the young working class I was referencing. I encourage you to stop running them down and reflexively pointing to Trump. QAnon people maybe against the jab on political grounds, but it does not mean that everyone without the jab is a right wing, Trump supporter, insert insult here.

The large majority are, as has been demonstrated in countless polls.

There are other groups as well, but they are smaller.

The large majority are, as has been demonstrated in countless polls.

There are other groups as well, but they are smaller.

Pete please read this in a respectful tone, you could be correct, I have not seen the polls, but this is a class issue as well as a political issue. It is foolish to say all people who do not get the jab are stupid, lazy, selfish, just because your political opponents have also not received the jab.

Pete please read this in a respectful tone, you could be correct, I have not seen the polls, but this is a class issue as well as a political issue. It is foolish to say all people who do not get the jab are stupid, lazy, selfish, just because your political opponents have also not received the jab.

Nobody is saying all.

But for the other groups, there are no high-profile government and former government officials actively campaigning (or at best staying completely silent like our governor) against the vaccine. It's really very simple: the easiest way to get a big percentage of people to change their minds is for these leaders to do the right thing, which also happens to be very easy.

Until then, just about anything else isn't going to make much of a difference.

OK back to number one in test positivity. Means we are under testing for sure. East side of the state is in bad shape.

https://twitter.com/ChrisKPolansky/status/1420755606034698240?s=20

1,806 new cases today. Last several Thursdays: 1,581; 705; 456; 329; 273.

7-day average now 1,268.

Hospitalizations are 658 (+19).

ICU is 208 (+5).

Today's new cases were the largest in a single day since 2/7/21.

OK is now no. 8 in cases/100k. You're really doing something wrong when you overtake FL in that category.

Only positive is vaccines are up 30% from last week.

Only positive is vaccines are up 30% from last week.

About 36k last week vs 27k the week prior.

Only positive is vaccines are up 30% from last week.

The sad thing is it’s too late for a lot of these people. It takes several weeks to build up the immunity. I am glad people are going to get it, but they should have rushed to get it months ago. It’s like waiting until the last moment to move out of the way of a freight train.

Tinker AFB requiring all military personnel, employees and visitors to wear a mask on the base while indoors, regardless of vaccination status.

So it begins.

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/2021/07/29/masks-required-tinker-air-force-base-covid-vaccination-status/5416507001/

Tinker AFB requiring all military personnel, employees and visitors to wear a mask on the base while indoors, regardless of vaccination status.

So it begins.

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/2021/07/29/masks-required-tinker-air-force-base-covid-vaccination-status/5416507001/

FYI this is a DOD mandate that came out yesterday .... https://media.defense.gov/2021/Jul/28/2002814362/-1/-1/1/UPDATED-MASK-GUIDELINES-FOR-ALL-DOD-INSTALLATIONS-AND-OTHER-FACILITIES-OSD006862-21-FOD-FINAL.PDF

it currently covers all but 10 states ..

North Dakota
Minnesota
Michigan
Ohio
Pennsylvania
Delaware
Maryland
New Hampshire
Vermont
Maine

.....but I have a hard time wrapping my head around the fact that people are that oblivious.

Clearly you have not done door to door political canvassing! :)

Seriously Pete, I'm not so sure. You and I are similar in age so it is difficult for me to imagine not at the very least turning on broadcast television, but there is a broad swath of society who by choice doesn't even have broadcast channels available to them. They don't EVER read a paper, or look at a site like this. Many in their 20s and even 30s think Facebook and Twitter are only for olds. They stream video content without any news, they stream commercial-free (and news-free) music on Spotify. The only way many of these people would hear about it is in conversation with friends and loved ones, and most of their friends and loved ones are just as disconnected (or believe it's over, or a sham, or whatever).

I'm just saying that I think it is VERY possible to walk through life right now and be blissfully unaware of the approaching storm clouds.

Pretty sure this describes my 20yo daughter, who gets a lot of news info through various social platforms, but whenever I bring up a news item she usually knows about it. For example, she knew our governor was in Azerbaijian when I did not, lol.

You see Swake, just like I said in the other thread. If you look at the numbers, this is the young working class I was referencing. I encourage you to stop running them down and reflexively pointing to Trump. QAnon people maybe against the jab on political grounds, but it does not mean that everyone without the jab is a right wing, Trump supporter, insert insult here.

Sure, not "everyone," but countless studies have shown your statement to be demonstrably misleading. Perhaps you are just trying to minimize it, but even my conservative friend I spoke to today is over it, aggravated with Fox, aggravated by Trump (who he pointed out got the vaccine but continues to fan the flames of conspiracy against it), and aggravated by fellow conservatives in his state (Arkansas) who are parroting nonsense.

Counties that voted for Trump in big numbers are overwhelmingly unvaccinated. Counties that went for Biden are comparatively vaccinated. There are some exceptions but your efforts to minimize the fundamental truth about this are noted.

Surprised it took this long: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/biden-calls-for-100-payments-for-newly-vaccinated-americans-11627586033

Although I’m not sure if $100 will move the needle for the young professional demographic.

OSU doing a pokeathon for students. Get a vaccine or prove you did and get entered for 10k scholarship, I like it

OSU doing a pokeathon for students. Get a vaccine or prove you did and get entered for 10k scholarship, I like it
as i finished reading just the first sentence, i thought osu was doing some big pokemon event despite the current infection rate... glad my first impression was wrong. : )

/a $10k scholarship... that's like 3 textbooks these days, right?

If you've ever read Lonesome Dove you might think a pokeathon is something entirely different.

Sure, not "everyone," but countless studies have shown your statement to be demonstrably misleading. Perhaps you are just trying to minimize it, but even my conservative friend I spoke to today is over it, aggravated with Fox, aggravated by Trump (who he pointed out got the vaccine but continues to fan the flames of conspiracy against it), and aggravated by fellow conservatives in his state (Arkansas) who are parroting nonsense.

Counties that voted for Trump in big numbers are overwhelmingly unvaccinated. Counties that went for Biden are comparatively vaccinated. There are some exceptions but your efforts to minimize the fundamental truth about this are noted.

Yeah.

Go ahead and ignore the class component, ignore the push back from the unions and ignore the statistics. Your efforts to support you preconceived notions are noted.

And just for the record I did note the obvious republican and democractic divide in my previous posts. I am just trying to provide a little context.

1,777 new cases today; last several Fridays: 1,194, 750, 551, 303, 224, 181.

7-day rolling average 1,351.

Hospitalizations are 690 (+32).

ICU is 215 (+7).

************

For the week: 9,459 new cases. Last several weeks: 6,559; 3,925; 1,648; 1,270; 1,151; 1,141, 842.

More than a 10x increase in less than two months.

I guess the upside is I have a feeling this will be a quick and fast burn. Delta in other countries goes up quick then falls off. I am guessing maybe 3 months?

I guess the upside is I have a feeling this will be a quick and fast burn. Delta in other countries goes up quick then falls off. I am guessing maybe 3 months?

I hope you're right.

But public schools here are starting in less than two weeks and we'll soon be packing football and basketball seats.

And then you have the colder, inside months and the holidays which last year saw by far the biggest numbers.


I'm not sure I can share the optimism.

If we follow the trend in the UK, we should peak by the end of August here. The obvious caveat is that the UK has much higher vaccination rates than most of this state, so who knows how that will affect things. I feel much more confident in saying we’ll probably end up peaking 2-4 weeks after Missouri and Arkansas, as they have very similar vaccine uptake as we do.

An R value If 6+ for Delta is very eye opening.

What ever happen to number of Deaths and what age were the deaths? Deaths so far have remained fairly flat haven't they?

What ever happen to number of Deaths and what age were the deaths? Deaths so far have remained fairly flat haven't they?

They had. Ticking up now. I expect them to double or triple in the next couple of weeks, as has been the trend during every spike we have seen since this began.

What ever happen to number of Deaths and what age were the deaths? Deaths so far have remained fairly flat haven't they?

I stopped reporting them because they are so highly delayed and the state is still playing catch-up with the CDC standards.

For the week ending today, there were 42 reported bringing the total to 8,731.

The last several weeks were: 23, 26, 24, 26, 31, 29.

And hopefully deaths will stay low as we had a decent vaccination rate for the elderly.

And hopefully deaths will stay low as we had a decent vaccination rate for the elderly.

Has there been any research into the number of positive cases to death for each of these strains?

Amazed at this misinformation being spread!

People believe the vaccinated are at higher risk of dying than the unvaccinated. This society is falling apart. Look at these replies to this tweet:

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1421199340308242437?s=21

“ We said this would happen but nobody listened, now the vaccinated are going to die and cause the unvaxxed to die as well”

“ i think the unvaxxed will probably be doing better but time will tell tbh”

“ Vaccine compromises immune system most likely. Unvaccinated should be safer. Depending on age and health though.”

“ yep its the vaxed who are vulnerable as had innate immune system blunted and messed with”

The lunacy is astounding. Unfortunately I came across this post because my brother re-tweeted it (anti-vaxer)

Amazed at this misinformation being spread!

People believe the vaccinated are at higher risk of dying than the unvaccinated. This society is falling apart. Look at these replies to this tweet:

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1421199340308242437?s=21

“ We said this would happen but nobody listened, now the vaccinated are going to die and cause the unvaxxed to die as well”

“ i think the unvaxxed will probably be doing better but time will tell tbh”

“ Vaccine compromises immune system most likely. Unvaccinated should be safer. Depending on age and health though.”

“ yep its the vaxed who are vulnerable as had innate immune system blunted and messed with”

The lunacy is astounding. Unfortunately I came across this post because my brother re-tweeted it (anti-vaxer)

At this point, fine, let the anti-vaxxers continue to believe this crap and die (no, nobody I care about is an anti-vaxxer, so I don't care if they live or die, sorry about your brother, catch). Sucks for all the people that can't get vaxxed and might die too, but I've done and continue to do my part (vaxxed and will start masking up again).

An R value If 6+ for Delta is very eye opening.

CNN quated the CDC document I think it was and said it was 7 to 9. The original strain is 3 to 5.