Just now on News 9. I think it was 520 new cases today. OK that fine but how many of those 520 that tested positive were vaccinated. If it's a low number like ever 20 you would think that would be a great thing to tell people. Surly they know this number. Maybe the number isn't good and they don't want to tell us and they being lying to us this whole time.

There are tons of reputable studies on this very topic showing over and over that the vaccines reduce chances of infection and transmission dramatically. Even when there are cases, they are much more mild, which means that breakthrough cases also show the vaccines are working. So, even if you had the data you're asking for, it would not be very helpful. There is no need to speculate when there's overwhelming evidence already showing you the answer. Quit the conspiracy theories about the evil "they." It only ruins your own credibility.

If you have any doubt about the efficacy of the vaccines, just compare Russia's case/death numbers to that of Israel, or even the UK. They're all overrun with delta. Israel and UK are vaccinated at high levels with mRNA vaccines while Russia is not.

The vaccines remain very, very good.

There are tons of reputable studies on this very topic showing over and over that the vaccines reduce chances of infection and transmission dramatically. Even when there are cases, they are much more mild, which means that breakthrough cases also show the vaccines are working. So, even if you had the data you're asking for, it would not be very helpful. There is no need to speculate when there's overwhelming evidence already showing you the answer. Quit the conspiracy theories about the evil "they." It only ruins your own credibility.

Caught the start of 5 news and that Dillion guy does a good job.

Once enough people in rural Oklahoma start dying their friends & family might start to be convinced to get the vaccine. Close personal deaths are the only thing that can change their mind at this point.

Well he did get the vaccine.....but good point.

I disagree with Jerry Wall, no amount of effort to try to persuade people to get vaccinated is wasted energy. The time is now to double down to try to reach folks who are undecided, or perhaps folks who somehow think the virus is over, or perhaps just aren't good at planning a trip to the local Walgreen's or CVS.

I suspect a lot of these people are in rural areas where the major drugstore chains don't have locations.

Making change is hard, but can be accomplished with a plan. It doesn't appear there is much of a plan.

But non-chain drug stores in rural small towns are offering vaccines as in Yale and Perkins. But the smallest towns don't have drug stores.

Well we need FOX to continue to do this kind of reporting. Would help if Hannity or Tucker or some of the other more extreme hosts would tell people to get the shot. I would imagine FOX News viewers are more vaccine resistant than viewers of other cable news networks.

Dream on and expect the opposite. Laura Ingraham on Fox News recently interviewed an older woman who came down with a severe brain aneurism shortly after getting vaccinated. She barely survived it and is partly blind and partly paralyzed.

Once enough people in rural Oklahoma start dying their friends & family might start to be convinced to get the vaccine. Close personal deaths are the only thing that can change their mind at this point.

That should have already happened when covid cases and deaths peaked in January.

The small non chain drug store in Perry OK is going around the state setting up pods for groups and small businesses. Any small group like a church could set it up. We did a pod at my law office and offered it to all of our bar and cigar staff as well as our neighboring businesses.

Delta variant sparks COVID outbreak in Oklahoma gymnastics gym — 85% were unvaccinated (https://www.star-telegram.com/news/coronavirus/article252682263.html)

It could be anecdotal, but at Target this morning, which had all but stopped masking entirely (maybe 10%), I'd wager 25-30% of people were now wearing masks. Small sample size, but I wondered if maybe concerns about the Delta variant were causing people to adjust their behavior back to mask wearing in some cases...

It could be anecdotal, but at Target this morning, which had all but stopped masking entirely (maybe 10%), I'd wager 25-30% of people were now wearing masks. Small sample size, but I wondered if maybe concerns about the Delta variant were causing people to adjust their behavior back to mask wearing in some cases...

I saw some masking wearing at saltcreek casino today also.

Once enough people in rural Oklahoma start dying their friends & family might start to be convinced to get the vaccine. Close personal deaths are the only thing that can change their mind at this point.

I think this is right on target.

And yet, I know a person who lost both parents to COVID doing maskless photos from crowded bars. This is really the point at which the Charles Darwin analogies apply. Some people are simply beyond help.

Yeah, I feel bad saying this, or even thinking this, but at this point I just kind of say to myself “if the unvaccinated get really sick and get on a ventilator and struggle to breathe and throw up a bit and some of them die, maybe the reality will come into focus for people and at least the deaths will have meaning.

1,200 new cases since Friday. Not great.

1,200 new cases since Friday. Not great.

Highest weekend (3-day) total since March.

2nd highest was last Monday.


Also, hospitalizations are up to 220; low was 106 on 6/13.

ICU is 74, up from a low of 29 on 6/3.


Very bad trend considering we will be going to full school attendance starting next month with football season (and full stadiums) start soon as well.

The top five states in terms of percentage increase of new COVID-19 cases are also among the states with the lowest vaccinations rates:

State New COVID-19 cases Fully vaccinated percentage
Arkansas 3,325 (101% increase) 34%
South Carolina 1,117 (60% increase) 39%
Kansas 1,211 (58% increase) 42%
Mississippi 1,349 (51% increase) 33%
Louisiana 3,039 (47% increase) 35%
Source: Reuters

Long-term, this just can’t be good for recruiting doctors and nurses. Who would want to work in an area that could well have to deal with COVID indefinitely due to 40-50% of the population not wanting to get vaccinated?

Long-term, this just can’t be good for recruiting doctors and nurses. Who would want to work in an area that could well have to deal with COVID indefinitely due to 40-50% of the population not wanting to get vaccinated?

What is the government doing about the bizarre and frightening misinfo constantly coming out against the covid vaccines? Nothing I know of. If government still has money for ads, the government should use it to debunk.

Debunking doesn’t work and often hardens the misinformation in those dedicated to it.

The newsmax guy saying vaccines are “against nature” because viruses are “supposed to wipe out a certain amount of people” is pretty weird. Aside from the pandering to the antivaxers, he’s also saying the virus is supposed to wipe out newsmax’s core demographic.”

It would be hilarious if he’d followed it with “Now a program note…Newsmax special, “creative ways to own the libs by killing yourself and your family coming up after this program.”

I should say, “government debunking.” The number of people who are “I won’t do what “they” tell me is disheartening.

Debunking doesn’t work and often hardens the misinformation in those dedicated to it.

The newsmax guy saying vaccines are “against nature” because viruses are “supposed to wipe out a certain amount of people” is pretty weird. Aside from the pandering to the antivaxers, he’s also saying the virus is supposed to wipe out newsmax’s core demographic.”

It would be hilarious if he’d followed it with “Now a program note…Newsmax special, “creative ways to own the libs by killing yourself and your family coming up after this program.”

From the CDC, "Among the 18 to 39-year-olds, the rates were lowest for those who were younger, black, poorer, less educated, uninsured and living outside metropolitan areas."

I have never watched newsmax, but I assume thier demographic is young, poor, and living outside metropolitan areas? Is that correct or is it something else?

Enclosed spaces are still setting off my hypervigilance.

At the doctor office, in the waiting area today. Woman, unmasked, starts hacking , I feel my fight or flight response trigger.

I'm wearing a mask, but wanted to get away,get out of there!

A couple minutes later was taken to dr. Office.

Gonna take some time for me to re- adjust.

Rising numbers of cases aren't helping...

Another day of nearly 1,100 new cases, spiking the 7-day daily average from 364 to over 500. 3-day average hospitalizations have increased to 271 from 166 just a week ago. 13 more deaths added to the provisional count, I assume from long ago. We are now seeing the price of free, life-saving vaccines becoming a partisan issue in an attempt to score political points. Not good...

Are the feds still covering the medical bills of COVID patients? Pretty sure that needs to stop.

It costs $160K for more than a day on a ventilator at Integris Baptist according to their pricing chart. We shouldn't have to pay that cost for folks who chose not to become vaccinated.

^^ As satisfying as that might sound, if we started refusing to cover medical costs for those that engaged in risky behaviors the hospitals would be empty. Plus, the tricky problem that there are folks who've been unable to get vaccinated for medical reasons, as well as break through cases. Otherwise, I'd be fine to let Darwinism do it's job.

Another day of nearly 1,100 new cases, spiking the 7-day daily average from 364 to over 500. 3-day average hospitalizations have increased to 271 from 166 just a week ago. 13 more deaths added to the provisional count, I assume from long ago. We are now seeing the price of free, life-saving vaccines becoming a partisan issue in an attempt to score political points. Not good...

I lost the page to get to daily numbers. Also news 9 said 99% in the hospital have not been vaccinated. So that would leave like 3 people?

I lost the page to get to daily numbers. Also news 9 said 99% in the hospital have not been vaccinated. So that would leave like 3 people?

The Frontier just re-initialized their daily Covid tracker (yay......), here: https://www.readfrontier.org/stories/coronavirus-cases-and-hospitalizations-are-rising-in-oklahoma/

Because of the change in reporting schedule I've been having a hard time following along through OSDH's site. But the Frontier site is much clearer.

^^ As satisfying as that might sound, if we started refusing to cover medical costs for those that engaged in risky behaviors the hospitals would be empty. Plus, the tricky problem that there are folks who've been unable to get vaccinated for medical reasons, as well as break through cases. Otherwise, I'd be fine to let Darwinism do it's job.

Fait enough. But the price of getting treatment should include a mandatory vaccination as long as there are no verifiable medical reasons for not getting it.

Fait enough. But the price of getting treatment should include a mandatory vaccination as long as there are no verifiable medical reasons for not getting it.

Which again sounds satisfying, but it's not much different than trying to justify forced sterilizations for those on public assistance and who have kids.

I'm all for us taking every step we can to encourage folks to get vaccinated, including having vaccinations be a requirement for travel or for attending large events or school. But that's a far cry from forcing folks to undergo medical procedures, or tying someone's submittal to what should be a voluntary procedure as a requirement to get life saving help/assistance. That's a precedent I'm not sure we should set, and would most likely penalize the poorest and least educated among us.

Plus, it would have an effect of discouraging some folks from getting help, with makes contact tracing and more so much more difficult. And that makes it less safe for everyone.

From the CDC, "Among the 18 to 39-year-olds, the rates were lowest for those who were younger, black, poorer, less educated, uninsured and living outside metropolitan areas."

I have never watched newsmax, but I assume thier demographic is young, poor, and living outside metropolitan areas? Is that correct or is it something else?

If Newsmax is like the other cable news networks, it attracts more older viewers past age 50.

Which again sounds satisfying, but it's not much different than trying to justify forced sterilizations for those on public assistance and who have kids.

I'm all for us taking every step we can to encourage folks to get vaccinated, including having vaccinations be a requirement for travel or for attending large events or school. But that's a far cry from forcing folks to undergo medical procedures, or tying someone's submittal to what should be a voluntary procedure as a requirement to get life saving help/assistance. That's a precedent I'm not sure we should set, and would most likely penalize the poorest and least educated among us.

Plus, it would have an effect of discouraging some folks from getting help, with makes contact tracing and more so much more difficult. And that makes it less safe for everyone.

Of course that is just my opinion. I also am of the opinion that smokers should not be eligible for lung transplants or active alcoholics getting liver transplants. Resources are finite.

Which again sounds satisfying, but it's not much different than trying to justify forced sterilizations for those on public assistance and who have kids.

I'm all for us taking every step we can to encourage folks to get vaccinated, including having vaccinations be a requirement for travel or for attending large events or school. But that's a far cry from forcing folks to undergo medical procedures, or tying someone's submittal to what should be a voluntary procedure as a requirement to get life saving help/assistance. That's a precedent I'm not sure we should set, and would most likely penalize the poorest and least educated among us.

Plus, it would have an effect of discouraging some folks from getting help, with makes contact tracing and more so much more difficult. And that makes it less safe for everyone.

Thank you for writing this. We don't punish people for poor judgement, and we don't reserve medical care only for people who do what we think is "right" or "correct".

Of course that is just my opinion. I also am of the opinion that smokers should not be eligible for lung transplants or active alcoholics getting liver transplants. Resources are finite.


Somebody confirm for me on this, but I do believe that having those habits would either disqualify or move you down in priority in terms of being in line?

Somebody confirm for me on this, but I do believe that having those habits would either disqualify or move you down in priority in terms of being in line?

It's not a hard fast rule, but I believe most transplant hospitals require 6 months of sobriety for a liver transplant, although I know they make exceptions for extreme cases. Lots of times it comes down to how influential your doctor is. But, this is more because selection committees in transplant programs are dealing with more applicants than there are available organs. It makes sense here because there is a limited supply. When we get to where we are 3d printing replacement organs (or whatever technology will present in the nearish future) I expect even this requirement will go away.

This week's new cases (through Friday): 3,925; Last six weeks: 1,648; 1,270; 1,151; 1,141; 842; 775.

Hospitalizations are 323; last six Fridays: 208, 139, 129, 137, 106, 109.

ICU is 111; last six Fridays: 66, 41, 36, 52, 32, 30.


Things are rapidly getting out of control.

This week's case total is the highest since February when almost nobody in the state was fully vaccinated.

So, forget the idea that we will never see the same kind of numbers before vaccination.

This week's new cases (through Friday 7/16): 3,925; Last six weeks: 1,648; 1,270; 1,151; 1,141; 842; 775.

Hospitalizations are 323; last six Fridays: 208, 139, 129, 137, 106, 109.

ICU is 111; last six Fridays: 66, 41, 36, 52, 32, 30.


Things are rapidly getting out of control.

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Holy cow, Florida had 8,200 cases just today.

For the week, they had over 20% of all the cases in the entire country.

Holy cow, Florida had 8,200 cases just today.

For the week, they had over 20% of all the cases in the entire country.

You think that is bad. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57867990?fbclid=IwAR1nAhMu2679lCcJCbQbtOlj8QpMwL-vHlEqv0L3PuadqXnY9LjmTMIpUnc And it's a well vaccinated country. I guess the only silver lining is hospitals are down for now at least.

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Nobody is hating on Love's. You need to chill.

Nobody is hating on Love's??? You've been hating on them the last three pages of this thread.

2,126 new cases (3-day total); that's almost double last Monday. As recently as 6/14, the 3-day total was 123. Nearly a 20-fold increase in just a month!

381 in the hospital; that's up from 202 last Monday and a low of 108 on 5/25.

ICU is 118; up from 74 last Monday and a low of 30 on 6/6.


Get your bloody vaccination!

Get your bloody vaccination!

this. really disheartening to see the numbers creeping back up and the weak excuses people are using to dodge their social responsibility.

Everybody says they want their 'freedom' but all they have to do is get a harmless, plentiful free shot and this thing would almost completely go away.

As it is, we are going to be back to wearing masks and lots of businesses are going to get hurt (like live music and bars & restaurants).


It's so completely idiotic. The lockdowns and restrictions (followed by trillions in government rescue money) were to get us to the vaccine. Now that we're there, half the country won't bother to get it. Unbelievable.

If your unvaccinated...Your probably going to eventually get it.
If your vaccinated... There is a good chance you will get it again, but not get it that bad. There is a chance you could still get it bad though depending on who you are and your age.
If you already had covid naturally, the above is the above applies to you too.

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Almost nobody in the hospital or that ended up dead has been fully vaccinated.

The rapidly rising hospital numbers are by far the worst indicator, and those always are a lagging indicator to the case numbers.


I really have sympathy for the hospital workers. They have to suit up like they are going on a space walk... And then have to care for very critically ill patients who could have just had a jab to avoid their situation.

Everybody says they want their 'freedom' but all they have to do is get a harmless, plentiful free shot and this thing would almost completely go away.

As it is, we are going to be back to wearing masks and lots of businesses are going to get hurt (like live music and bars & restaurants).


It's so completely idiotic. The lockdowns and restrictions (followed by trillions in government rescue money) were to get us to the vaccine. Now that we're there, half the country won't bother to get it. Unbelievable.

I don't really see lockdowns or facemasks coming back with vengeance. Most country's across the world are going to go the road of the UK and shrug their shoulders and realize the virus is endemic for anyone who is vaccinated.

I don't really see lockdowns or facemasks coming back with vengeance. Most country's across the world are going to go the road of the UK and shrug their shoulders and realize the virus is endemic for anyone who is vaccinated.

Maybe not in Oklahoma, but it's already happening in some U.S. states.

And you still have to wear one in airports and on planes. You can bet some businesses will start requiring them again.


You can't just shrug it off. There is a tremendous cost to businesses, our economy as a whole, our healthcare system, and an impact on our hospital capacity.

It's going to get much, much worse in the fall and winter, especially with schools restarting and the cold weather driving more people indoors.

Everybody says they want their 'freedom' but all they have to do is get a harmless, plentiful free shot and this thing would almost completely go away.

As it is, we are going to be back to wearing masks and lots of businesses are going to get hurt (like live music and bars & restaurants).


It's so completely idiotic. The lockdowns and restrictions (followed by trillions in government rescue money) were to get us to the vaccine. Now that we're there, half the country won't bother to get it. Unbelievable.
I can detect the frustration in your post and I couldn’t agree with you more. It’s absolutely unreal how arrogant so many of our neighbors are.

2,126 new cases (3-day total); that's almost double last Monday. As recently as 6/14, the 3-day total was 123. Nearly a 20-fold increase in just a month!

381 in the hospital; that's up from 202 last Monday and a low of 108 on 5/25.

ICU is 118; up from 74 last Monday and a low of 30 on 6/6.


Get your bloody vaccination!

Of the 2,126 how many are vaccinated. How many of the vaccinated showing symptoms?
Of the 318 in the hospital how many are vaccinated?

I know of 2 of us that are in that count, vaccinated, and with symptoms. Not in the hospital though so I guess so far the vaccine is doing what it was claimed to do.

Keep in mind that even for the vaccinated, the more unvaccinated people that carry the disease means there will be more breakthrough cases.

The percentage of vaccinated people who contract and get very sick from Covid-19 will remain low, but the raw numbers are going to go up simply because of all the fools who refuse to get the shots.

You can't just sit around and say, "I'm fully vaccinated so I'm completely safe" if we continue on this strong upward trend.

2-3% of a small number yields a small number. 2-3% of a big number starts to be a serious problem.

2,126 new cases (3-day total); that's almost double last Monday. As recently as 6/14, the 3-day total was 123. Nearly a 20-fold increase in just a month!

381 in the hospital; that's up from 202 last Monday and a low of 108 on 5/25.

ICU is 118; up from 74 last Monday and a low of 30 on 6/6.


Get your bloody vaccination!

Amazing how things turn out exactly how the scientists who have been studying this variant say they will turn out. And yet, you have Okies somehow expecting a different outcome with the same virus and similar circumstances. "It is more transmissable." Check. "It affects the young more than previous variants." Check. "It almost entirely impacts those who are not vaccinated." Check. "If enough people don't get vaccinated we will have another surge in cases, deaths, and hospitalizations." Check.

Shall I go on?

And yet, I was trying to sift through relevant football-related content on another blog site (for those who care, The Football Brainiacs), to read about the big OU football recruiting weekend, and instead I was treated to totally unmoderated vaccine and virus deniers spewing debunked nonsense and linking to "articles" from completely non-credible sources. I instantly clicked off the site in disgust.

Honestly this is at least 40% of Okies at this point, if not more. We need to get to at least 70% vaccinations to get close to herd immunity here and yet you have recalcitrant idiots, citing either a past Covid infection or some other dubious argument, refusing to take a free and safe shot. It is borderline nihilistic.

It’s hard not to feel a sense of malaise and nihilism about this wave, and the vaccine hesitancy situation in general. It just does not bode well for the future of public health across large swaths of this country, much of this state included.

This will likely continue to be an anchor on our economic recovery relative to many other states, as well.

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Fauci said that if we had experienced the same level of idiocy and outright misinformation that we do now in a previous era, we would have never defeated polio. Fortunately people were apparently not the raging selfish idiots they are today.

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Fauci said that if we had experienced the same level of idiocy and outright misinformation that we do now in a previous era, we would have never defeated polio. Fortunately people were apparently not the raging selfish idiots they are today.

People think having access to the internet makes them an expert on everything

Of the 2,126 how many are vaccinated. How many of the vaccinated showing symptoms?
Of the 318 in the hospital how many are vaccinated?

99.5% of the hospitalizations and deaths are now from the unvaccinated according to most reputable authorities

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Fauci said that if we had experienced the same level of idiocy and outright misinformation that we do now in a previous era, we would have never defeated polio. Fortunately people were apparently not the raging selfish idiots they are today.

He is right... Back then the population trusted it's leaders more than today. Is this a result or poor leadership, or access to the internet, or foreign propaganda? I don't know. What I do know us is that a large portion of the population finds the idea that the government is out to harm them more believable than that the government is out to help them.

This topic should be researched and plans should be made to bring the population back to a condition like we had during the fight against polio. I think this is something we can all agree on.

As the infected numbers increase, the market takes a dive.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/stocks-tumble-as-delta-variant-sends-investors-to-bonds/ar-AAMj4uu?li=BBnb7Kz

Stocks, oil prices and government-bond yields slid Monday as anxiety mounted over the spread of the Delta coronavirus variant and its potential impact on the global economy.

The Dow Jones Industrial Average slumped about 725 points, or 2.1%.

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And this is just a very smart part of why even if you are vaccinated, the people who refuse to get a simple shot can still cause a ton of harm.

He is right... Back then the population trusted it's leaders more than today. Is this a result or poor leadership, or access to the internet, or foreign propaganda? I don't know. What I do know us is that a large portion of the population finds the idea that the government is out to harm them more believable than that the government is out to help them.


This goes all the way back to Reagan's pithy little saying, "The scariest 9 words in the English language are I'm with the government and I'm here to help". And it continues today with Lauren Boebert prancing on the stage at CPAC saying "We don't want your welfare or your benefits. We don't want your Fauci ouchies".