It is NOT an unknown vaccine. I wish people would stop repeating this nonsense. It went through rigorous clinical trials and is based off an established, proven platform.
This.

Throw in a free game ticket to any of those events and vaccine rate would improve.

So which is better - bribing someone to get a vaccine they should get anyway if they're a decent human being (and not one of the few that truly can't get vaccinated for a valid medical reason), or denying someone access to something they want so they'll get a vaccine they should get anyway if they're a decent human being to get that access?

Nevermind.

So which is better - bribing someone to get a vaccine they should get anyway if they're a decent human being (and not one of the few that truly can't get vaccinated for a valid medical reason), or denying someone access to something they want so they'll get a vaccine they should get anyway if they're a decent human being to get that access?

People will respond better to "getting someting" for "doing something" rather than "losing something" for "not doing something". I get the catharsis behind "punishing" people who refused to get vaccinated, but at this point its a logistic problem. Rather than forcing arbitrary consequences on people, we need to get shots in arms in order to avoid the real consequences on society.

People will respond better to "getting someting" for "doing something" rather than "losing something" for "not doing something". I get the catharsis behind "punishing" people who refused to get vaccinated, but at this point its a logistic problem. Rather than forcing arbitrary consequences on people, we need to get shots in arms in order to avoid the real consequences on society.

100% this. Reward people for the behavior you want to see. Ignore the behaviors you want to extinguish.

Do tell. Share with us the number and what after affects were experienced.

With specific, medical doctor confirmed details.

Does the COVID-19 Vaccine Affect Fertility? Here’s What the Experts Say (https://www.muhealth.org/our-stories/does-covid-19-vaccine-affect-fertility-heres-what-experts-say)


MU Health Care family medicine doctor Laura Morris, MD, has heard it so many times, she doesn’t even wait for her patients to bring it up.

“I proactively address this rumor with my patients of reproductive age who have not been vaccinated,” said Morris, who treats pregnant women and delivers babies as part of her practice. “There is no plausible reason — no medical or scientific mechanism — for this vaccine to interact with a woman’s reproductive organs or have any interaction with an egg that’s been released or fertilized.”

In fact, if someone is planning on getting pregnant, it's actually recommended they get the vaccine, because:


Although the overall risk of severe illness is low, pregnant and recently pregnant people are at an increased risk for severe illness from COVID-19 when compared with non-pregnant people. Severe illness includes illness that requires hospitalization, intensive care, or a ventilator or special equipment to breathe, or illness that results in death. Additionally, pregnant people with COVID-19 are at increased risk of preterm birth and might be at increased risk of other adverse pregnancy outcomes compared with pregnant women without COVID-19.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommendations/pregnancy.html

So, if someone is doing risk assessment in context of fertility, they should get the vaccine. And maybe cut down on their use of plastics.

Does the COVID-19 Vaccine Affect Fertility? Here’s What the Experts Say (https://www.muhealth.org/our-stories/does-covid-19-vaccine-affect-fertility-heres-what-experts-say)



In fact, if someone is planning on getting pregnant, it's actually recommended they get the vaccine, because:



https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommendations/pregnancy.html

So, if someone is doing risk assessment in context of fertility, they should get the vaccine. And maybe cut down on their use of plastics.

here is an AP story that sums it up pretty well aswell.

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-724952235185

If vaccines were causing massive amounts of miscarriages, we would’ve seen that very clearly by now. Given the sheer number of people vaccinated and the amount of time that has elapsed since mass rollout it would very quickly be showing up in the numbers. We just don’t see that.

1,141cases reported over the long weekend. The 7 day average is now 267. This time last month it was 111. It will only get worse with the Delata variant coming in from MO and AR.

You think it's all bad now wait until the lambda variant hits.

Why? Lambda, like delta, is vulnerable to our vaccines and isn't any more contagious or deadly, and if anything we can actually treat it with regeneron, unlike some other variants. Lambda isn't even a variant of concern at this point.https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.02.450959v1

*sigh* I thought I was done with this thread, but here we are...back at it again.

Without hospitalization #s, this isn't that helpful. All it shows is that it is similar to last year, where being outside near people led to more cases. I am curious about the hospitalization #s.

i'd be pretty concerned about the lambda variant...
https://thedimlight.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/revenge-of-the-nerds-tri-lam-cardigan-sweater-costumes.jpg

//ok, feels kind of weird making a wisecrack about a pandemic.

Why? Lambda, like delta, is vulnerable to our vaccines and isn't any more contagious or deadly, and if anything we can actually treat it with regeneron, unlike some other variants. Lambda isn't even a variant of concern at this point.https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.02.450959v1

Maybe I just need to stop watching the news. Covid wards in Missouri are opening back up. Hospital ran out of ventilators

Why? Lambda, like delta, is vulnerable to our vaccines and isn't any more contagious or deadly, and if anything we can actually treat it with regeneron, unlike some other variants. Lambda isn't even a variant of concern at this point.https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.02.450959v1

If you are sick from COVID, can you go to the hospital and get Regeneron, or is it still hard to get access to it?

Maybe I just need to stop watching the news. Covid wards in Missouri are opening back up. Hospital ran out of ventilators

Mainly in SW Missouri, which has one of the lowest vaccination rates in a state that has a low vaccination rate to begin with. If you're not vaccinated, Delta is scary. If you're vaccinated, it's pretty meh.

You think it's all bad now wait until the lambda variant hits.

I read an article today expressing doubt that the Lambda variant is more transmissible than the Delta variant. In fact, it doesn't appear to be spreading nearly as quickly.

Across the state, nearly 28% of people who have had a positive COVID-19 test in the last two weeks were admitted to hospitals, said Dr. David Kendrick, founder and CEO of MyHealth Access Network, a statewide health information exchange.

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/2021/07/07/oklahoma-sees-high-hospital-admission-rate-covid-19-patients/7871824002/

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/2021/07/07/oklahoma-sees-high-hospital-admission-rate-covid-19-patients/7871824002/

So if this quote from the article is true - "about a quarter of COVID-19 inpatients at the hospital have been vaccinated" - and the vaccines are 95% effective against hospitalization and death, something seems a bit off.

^

Perhaps they haven't been fully vaccinated.

^

Perhaps they haven't been fully vaccinated.

Yeah, I was wondering if the vaccinated ones had both shots - article or doctor should've specified that instead of just "vaccinated".

Yeah, I was wondering if the vaccinated ones had both shots - article or doctor should've specified that instead of just "vaccinated".

that's my thoughts as well. since a vast majority of people i know (sadly) only got one shot, and called it good... like my first circle friends group is fully vaxed. but second circle friends are mostly only a single shot. it's crazy.

that's my thoughts as well. since a vast majority of people i know (sadly) only got one shot, and called it good... like my first circle friends group is fully vaxed. but second circle friends are mostly only a single shot. it's stupid.

fify :)

Yeah odds are people are only getting tested if they have significant symptoms, and vaccinated folks may not get tested at all since they’re vaxxed. This means that folks actually getting tested, and testing positive, are the most sick. It doesn’t really mean much re: vaccinations or how bad the Delta variant is.

About the 25% who were vaccinated. Beside some of them only having one shot, we need to consider some other facts. Not all people who receive the shots develop anitbodies. There are a lot of people today take immune suppression drugs for things like arthritis, skin issues, Crone's disease etc. I was reading, sorry I dont remember where, that these people dont always develop robust amount of antibodies due to the drugs. A friend of mine taking part in a clinical trial of a not yet approved vaccine did not, and was told to get the J and J shot to hopefully develop enough antibodies. Just my thought on this.

A couple things to consider: 1) the higher the total population vaccination rate, the higher the odds that someone who contracts covid has been vaccinated. 2) How are hospitals determining if someone has been vaccinated? Is it just completely self reported or is proof required? People do lie in order to avoid public shame.

About the 25% who were vaccinated. Beside some of them only having one shot, we need to consider some other facts. Not all people who receive the shots develop anitbodies. There are a lot of people today take immune suppression drugs for things like arthritis, skin issues, Crone's disease etc. I was reading, sorry I dont remember where, that these people dont always develop robust amount of antibodies due to the drugs. A friend of mine taking part in a clinical trial of a not yet approved vaccine did not, and was told to get the J and J shot to hopefully develop enough antibodies. Just my thought on this.

There are always exceptions, but study after study shows these vaccines are working for people. You can still have breakthrough cases, but almost no one knows it since they’re typically asymptomatic. So, I don’t think there’s a problem with people being fully vaccinated and not being protected. From around the country, almost all COVID hospital cases are people who are not fully vaccinated. The vaccines are working.

https://www.nbc4i.com/community/health/coronavirus/cdc-reports-99-percent-of-covid-19-deaths-in-may-were-unvaccinated/ In June in the State of Maryland it was 100%. Not sure what people are not understanding

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/2021/07/07/oklahoma-sees-high-hospital-admission-rate-covid-19-patients/7871824002/

Distressing to read that about a quarter of COVID-19 inpatients at a hospital have been vaccinated and too early to scoff at.

456 new cases today. That is the worst non-postweekend or non-anomaly figure since March 26th. I was hoping the worst was behind us, but with our low vaccination rate and the Delta variant becoming dominant I've lost that hope.

456 new cases today. That is the worst non-postweekend or non-anomaly figure since March 26th. I was hoping the worst was behind us, but with our low vaccination rate and the Delta variant becoming dominant I've lost that hope.

All of this has been and continues to be 100% predictable.

It's just simple logic and science, things half of Oklahomans have rejected.


I've said it all the way along: this fall and winter are going to be bad.

Distressing to read that about a quarter of COVID-19 inpatients at a hospital have been vaccinated and too early to scoff at.

I read that in Missouri, where it's the worst it's ever been in some places, less than 5% of hospitalized patients are vaccinated. And that seems pretty consistent with the data in general. So, if that 25% number is correct, it's a big anomaly and would suggest that something different is happening here.

Also worth wondering whether those folks are *fully* vaccinated or just partially vaccinated, and which vaccine they got. For Delta, you really need both shots to get good outcomes https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03777-9

Also worth wondering whether those folks are *fully* vaccinated or just partially vaccinated, and which vaccine they got. For Delta, you really need both shots to get good outcomes https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03777-9

The report just said "vaccinated"; I would assume that does not mean fully vaccinated because if that was the case, it would have likely been worded in that way.

The report just said "vaccinated"; I would assume that does not mean fully vaccinated because if that was the case, it would have likely been worded in that way.

In the abstract "Sera from individuals having received one dose of Pfizer or AstraZeneca vaccines barely inhibited variant Delta. Administration of two doses generated a neutralizing response in 95% of individuals, with titers 3 to 5 fold lower against Delta than Alpha"

I dont see anything about Moderna or J&J

All of this has been and continues to be 100% predictable.

It's just simple logic and science, things half of Oklahomans have rejected.


I've said it all the way along: this fall and winter are going to be bad.

It won't be as bad as last fall and winter because the virus will have half as many possible hosts. But, having missed our chance to eradicate the virus, it will continue to mutate and could conceivably become resistant to the current vaccines. Of course I'm sure booster shots are being developed to hopefully account for the mutations.

It has become a long battle the has become longer thanks to the lack of leadership from the trump administration and red state governors.

^

It probably won't be as bad but we also now lack any will to wear masks or do social distancing, plus people will be packing in at football stadiums, arenas, music venues...

We weren't doing any of that this past fall and winter and things were still plenty terrible.


Oklahoma is already a bit of a hotspot for new cases.

More of the same:

'Those deaths were preventable': Unvaccinated parts of country are driving the pandemic now (https://news.yahoo.com/those-deaths-were-preventable-unvaccinated-parts-of-country-are-driving-the-pandemic-now-175041085.html)


Virtually all deaths from COVID-19 in the United States are now among people who have not received their coronavirus vaccine. And those deaths are highly concentrated in counties — many of them in the Midwest and Southeast — where vaccination rates are precariously low.

On the other hand, transmission has effectively ceased in Northeastern and Western states where governors have made vaccination a top priority, and where resistance was low among residents from the start.


Walensky said that in recent months, 99.5 percent of all deaths from COVID-19 in the U.S. were among unvaccinated individuals. “Those deaths were preventable with a simple, safe shot,” the CDC director said.

Of course I'm sure booster shots are being developed to hopefully account for the mutations.

It was announced today that Pfizer is seeking authorization for a 3rd dose of its covid-19 vaccine.

Unless you can prove otherwise. Can't fly unless your vaccinated, can't stay in hotel unless your vaccinated, can't go to a sporting event unless your vaccinated. Never will happen but we should of been a little tougher on things when the vaccines first rolled out and things started to open back up. I think some stadiums were only allowing vaccinated fans but I'm sure that is not the case anymore. It's way too late now.

Our numbers continue to climb.

1,648 new cases last week. Last 5 weeks: 1,270; 1,151; 1,141; 842; 775.

Over 1,000 new cases in just the last 2 days.

7-day rolling average up to 314 after being close to 100 just a month ago.

Hospitalizations are 208, up from 106 on 6/10.

ICU is 66, up from 29 on 6/3.

^^ my friend is an ICU doctor in Tulsa, and said that it is filled with people in their 30s who were unvaccinated and with no major health issues.

Our numbers continue to climb.

1,648 new cases last week. Last 5 weeks: 1,270; 1,151; 1,141; 842; 775.

Over 1,000 new cases in just the last 2 days.

7-day rolling average up to 314 after being close to 100 just a month ago.

Hospitalizations are 208, up from 106 on 6/10.

ICU is 66, up from 29 on 6/3.

And our 7 day vaccination rate is just 4335 even though under 40% of our population is fully vaccinated. It doesn't take sophisticated computer modeling to see where this is headed.

School will be starting back at full capacity in just over a month.

Football stadiums will once again be jammed this fall.

This is going to get a lot worse before it gets better.

School will be starting back at full capacity in just over a month.

Football stadiums will once again be jammed this fall.

This is going to get a lot worse before it gets better.

Yep.

And, AFAIK courtesy of Senate Bill 658, without mask mandates in schools unless the Governor declares another state of emergency, which I find doubtful given his pronouncements about us being open and going into a re-election campaign. This despite many school-age children still not being eligible for the vaccine. (Something something here about local control and small government...).

I am really curious about the breakthrough cases we are seeing (which I think we are currently getting an update on from Lance Frye). The CDC issued a report today focused on an outbreak of the Delta variant a central Oklahoma gymnastics facility (https://www-cdc-gov.ezproxy.lib.ou.edu/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7028e2.htm?s_cid=mm7028e2_w). In the report, they note 17 people were fully vaccinated and 4 of them tested positive (with mild symptoms) representing 9% of total cases, while 6% of cases were partially vaccinated and 85% were unvaccinated. The efficacy seems to be taking a hit in England, as well, although I believe they were majority AstraZeneca so I don't know if that is playing a part. I know the CDC seems to be discounting some of the reduced efficacy numbers of Pfizer coming out of Israel and Pfizer's own call for a booster, but it certainly seems like there's a lot of conflicting info out there about whether there is any waning immunity. (All that said, I'd much rather be vaccinated than unvaccinated right now and am no way questioning the need for more vaccines).

The latest from the state epidemiologist: "As of July 8, we've had almost 1.5 million Oklahomans receive both doses. We've recorded 896 breakthrough cases. This still represents less than .06 percent of those fully vaccinated in Oklahoma." (https://twitter.com/CathJSweeney/status/1413539744743628808).

^

And remember, even if there are breakthrough cases (and they remain very low) the severity is greatly reduced if fully vaccinated.

^^ my friend is an ICU doctor in Tulsa, and said that it is filled with people in their 30s who were unvaccinated and with no major health issues.

The media probably needs to do a better job of covering new developments going on. It might work to encourage more people to get vaccinated.

The media probably needs to do a better job of covering new developments going on. It might work to encourage more people to get vaccinated.

Why can't Stitt be bothered to make a robust public statement about getting vaccinated?

We need a full-on media campaign (better than the current one) with Toby Keith, Reba, Carrie Underwood, Bob Stoops, Baker Mayfield, Pat Jones, Garth Brooks and others telling people to get the damn shots. Maybe feature former Gov. Henry and Keating and Nigh since our current governor seems to reside in some fact-free universe.

Why can't Stitt be bothered to make a robust public statement about getting vaccinated?.

I guess you're looking for something more formal, and maybe marketing based than the very public vaccination Stitt did, and his repeated statements encouraging folks to get vaccinated? I mean, fair enough, I guess, but I don't think it would change much at this point. The folks who are resisting it now are taking their lead from outside of this state and are likely to dismiss anything trying to convince them otherwise.

I guess you're looking for something more formal, and maybe marketing based than the very public vaccination Stitt did, and his repeated statements encouraging folks to get vaccinated? I mean, fair enough, I guess, but I don't think it would change much at this point. The folks who are resisting it now are taking their lead from outside of this state and are likely to dismiss anything trying to convince them otherwise.

Pretty much. Anyone not getting it now is wrapped up in social media doctors and false news. Pretty sad.

Why can't Stitt be bothered to make a robust public statement about getting vaccinated?

We need a full-on media campaign (better than the current one) with Toby Keith, Reba, Carrie Underwood, Bob Stoops, Baker Mayfield, Pat Jones, Garth Brooks and others telling people to get the damn shots. Maybe feature former Gov. Henry and Keating and Nigh since our current governor seems to reside in some fact-free universe.

Because said governor is skeptical of the vaccine, and vaccines in general.

The media probably needs to do a better job of covering new developments going on. It might work to encourage more people to get vaccinated.

I have been saying this for a while. Why are they not giving more numbers of people that have been fully vaccinated and in the hospital. It's extremely low. Fox news I know fox news but they had a story this morning about the death rate out of fully vax people is like .00006. You have a better chance of dying from a lightning strike. 99% of people dying from covid are not vaccinated. Why are we not plastering the numbers like that all over the place. Why don't CNN have a ticker on the side showing how great the numbers are.

https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/unvaccinated-individuals-now-account-for-the-vast-majority-of-covid-19-hospitalizations-and-deaths-in-the-u-s-according-to-available-data/

Because said governor is skeptical of the vaccine, and vaccines in general.

Well he did get the vaccine.....but good point.

I disagree with Jerry Wall, no amount of effort to try to persuade people to get vaccinated is wasted energy. The time is now to double down to try to reach folks who are undecided, or perhaps folks who somehow think the virus is over, or perhaps just aren't good at planning a trip to the local Walgreen's or CVS.

I suspect a lot of these people are in rural areas where the major drugstore chains don't have locations.

Making change is hard, but can be accomplished with a plan. It doesn't appear there is much of a plan.

I have been saying this for a while. Why are they not giving more numbers of people that have been fully vaccinated and in the hospital. It's extremely low. Fox news I know fox news but they had a story this morning about the death rate out of fully vax people is like .00006. You have a better chance of dying from a lightning strike. 99% of people dying from covid are not vaccinated. Why are we not plastering the numbers like that all over the place. Why don't CNN have a ticker on the side showing how great the numbers are.

https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/unvaccinated-individuals-now-account-for-the-vast-majority-of-covid-19-hospitalizations-and-deaths-in-the-u-s-according-to-available-data/

Well we need FOX to continue to do this kind of reporting. Would help if Hannity or Tucker or some of the other more extreme hosts would tell people to get the shot. I would imagine FOX News viewers are more vaccine resistant than viewers of other cable news networks.

Well we need FOX to continue to do this kind of reporting. Would help if Hannity or Tucker or some of the other more extreme hosts would tell people to get the shot. I would imagine FOX News viewers are more vaccine resistant than viewers of other cable news networks.

According to some polling I saw earlier today that is strongly true.

Just now on News 9. I think it was 520 new cases today. OK that fine but how many of those 520 that tested positive were vaccinated. If it's a low number like ever 20 you would think that would be a great thing to tell people. Surly they know this number. Maybe the number isn't good and they don't want to tell us and they being lying to us this whole time.

Just now on News 9. I think it was 520 new cases today. OK that fine but how many of those 520 that tested positive were vaccinated. If it's a low number like ever 20 you would think that would be a great thing to tell people. Surly they know this number. Maybe the number isn't good and they don't want to tell us and they being lying to us this whole time.

Just because they didn't directly email you the number doesn't mean it exists and is bad. From coverage of the state news conference earlier today:

https://twitter.com/CathJSweeney/status/1413539744743628808


Stone: As of July 8, we've had almost 1.5 million Oklahomans receive both doses. We've recorded 896 breakthrough cases. "This still represents less than .06 percent of those fully vaccinated in Oklahoma.


.06% breakthrough rate for the state overall so far. Sure, that isn't the breakthrough number for today's new cases but given the overall breakthrough rate it's unlikely to be more than a handful.

Just because they didn't directly email you the number doesn't mean it exists and is bad. From coverage of the state news conference earlier today:

https://twitter.com/CathJSweeney/status/1413539744743628808



.06% breakthrough rate for the state overall so far. Sure, that isn't the breakthrough number for today's new cases but given the overall breakthrough rate it's unlikely to be more than a handful.

I haven't once heard that number of .06% on the local news. Maybe a missed it but you would like they would be hammering it home and bringing it up when ever they can.