So what you’re saying is that my company making most of us come in, despite the fact that most of us can work from home, is a bad idea?

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Completely serious unfortunately. They are almost acting as if nothing is going on.

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We have moved up to #19 in total deaths with 30 deaths. Given our number of cases and and populaiton, our mortality rate is not good. This needs to be addressed, just goes to show how poor our health system is.

Completely serious unfortunately. They are almost acting as if nothing is going on.
Wow. Your company sounds pretty damn stupid (assuming your company isn't healthcare, grocery, gas station, something else essential).

Completely serious unfortunately. They are almost acting as if nothing is going on.

OK, I'm confused. Yes, *of course* it's a bad idea to have people working in offices if they can work remotely, that should not even *be* a question. And who's "They"? The idiots that are still out doing non-essential things and not practicing social distancing? If so, then yes, they are almost acting as if nothing is going on. Or is "They" your management that's making people work in the office? If so, then also yes, they are almost acting if nothing is going on, and they're also idiots.

I've heard from people employed there that Paycom and Continental are still requiring people to come in.

gopokes88, can you confirm?

I've heard from people employed there that Paycom and Continental are still requiring people to come in.

Some places have jobs that can't be done remotely - our PC support people are an example, they have to deliver laptops, fix them, help out with network stuff for WFH people, etc. But everybody else that *can* WFH is.

gopokes88, can you confirm?

I'm pretty sure those that could go remote and wanted to go remote at Continental have been allowed to. Obviously some ops and field staff can't but that's the case for any operator.

I've heard from people employed there that Paycom and Continental are still requiring people to come in.

Paycom doing that doesn't match up to what their CEO said in his letter to Stitt a week or two back. I know of at least one person working for them who is in QA who has been working from home.

Maybe it's just a few people, few enough that they can maintain proper social distancing?

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We're an "essential business" as a bank, but have closed our lobby, have half of the company working from home and have eliminated meetings, etc.

We have moved up to #19 in total deaths with 30 deaths. Given our number of cases and and populaiton, our mortality rate is not good. This needs to be addressed, just goes to show how poor our health system is.

I'm sure the health care professionals in OK appreciate your good word.

How about, people are showing up at the Dr. or hospital more sick than in other states because there are fewer test kits or are simply hesitant to get help. Again, not necessarily the fault of the state - it's how many we get based on what's going on nationally or if there is someone local in OK that can make them. There are a couple of companies here in CO that are making them for CO use so the rate of testing is better.

Paycom doing that doesn't match up to what their CEO said in his letter to Stitt a week or two back. I know of at least one person working for them who is in QA who has been working from home.

Maybe it's just a few people, few enough that they can maintain proper social distancing?

Some jobs just can't be done from home, no matter how hard the nation may want them to be. IT, for one thing, is hard to do from home. AP can also be hard to do from home (especially writing checks).

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I had an ongoing chart similar to Pete's, but updated it with his format and added a chart similar to ShadowStrings. The upward trend is alarming.

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I had an ongoing chart similar to Pete's, but updated it with his format and added a chart similar to ShadowStrings. The upward trend is alarming.
Any chance you can make that bigger?

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I had an ongoing chart similar to Pete's, but updated it with his format and added a chart similar to ShadowStrings. The upward trend is alarming.

Meh, you have to take the upward trend with a grain of salt. Since OK is hardly testing, any mass testings are going to result in a large spike. I am not sure why OK does not have many tests, but they need to get more, and fast. It would flatten the "upward trend" a bit, after a few days of spikes, just due to more testing.

Any chance you can make that bigger?

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See if this works. Having trouble resizing it and can't tell until I reply.

In my mind, hospitalizations are the key number, as that demonstrates how much strain is being placed on our healthcare system.

10,000 COVID-19 test kits will only last so long. I hope more are on the way.
https://www.ocolly.com/news/osu-diagnostic-lab-joins-battle-against-covid-19/article_efb243ea-73a2-11ea-b894-cfa32a3305fe.html

New estimates show 25% to 50% of coronavirus carriers don't even feel sick and can infect others blindly (https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/01/health/us-coronavirus-updates-wednesday/index.html)

Some jobs just can't be done from home, no matter how hard the nation may want them to be. IT, for one thing, is hard to do from home. AP can also be hard to do from home (especially writing checks).

Tons of IT can be done remotely, I've been WFH off and on during my entire career for decades, and I'm a UNIX sys admin. Where I'm at now has great infrastructure and unless it's actual hardware that needs fixing, I can do everything I need to remotely, as can our entire IT staff, they're almost 100% WFH now.

Was gonna say, I'm IT and our entire staff is at home besides rare person who's available to go on site, and my wife is AP and she's been at home. Yeah, there was some time spent getting the vendors on ACH the first couples of days. So there are some hurdles but nothing insurmountable.

I will say, it was lucky we had started moving to softphones already. It made it a lot easier to transition all the other employees to remote.

10,000 kits delivered to the state, look for the COVID #s to move up even more.

Meh, you have to take the upward trend with a grain of salt. Since OK is hardly testing, any mass testings are going to result in a large spike. I am not sure why OK does not have many tests, but they need to get more, and fast. It would flatten the "upward trend" a bit, after a few days of spikes, just due to more testing.

That's why the death/positive ratio is a better indicator. Assuming there will be an upward trend of positive results due an increased in testing, we'll need to look at the downward trend in that ratio as a sign of things turning around. Obviously the number of hospitalized is important as our hospital capacity reaches its limit.

So what you’re saying is that my company making most of us come in, despite the fact that most of us can work from home, is a bad idea?

I guess a better way I could have put it and stop making extra trips. I have to go to work my job can't be done from home however I go to work and back and that's it. No running in Target no running into Walmart no going through a fast food drive-thru. Its work and backand nothing else. I cringe when I go to work at 2 p.m. in the afternoon and the drive-thru fast food restaurants have like six seven cars in them

Tons of IT can be done remotely, I've been WFH off and on during my entire career for decades, and I'm a UNIX sys admin. Where I'm at now has great infrastructure and unless it's actual hardware that needs fixing, I can do everything I need to remotely, as can our entire IT staff, they're almost 100% WFH now.

With our servers being on-site, our IT has been working from the office (at least 1 staff member at a time). Those servers go down, tax and audit info for 100's of clients are vulnerable. they are able to work some from home, yes. But they are rotating who comes to the office, especially to help since 75% of our CPA firm is working from home. Not all clients are the same. I was basing my comment off my company, which might not always be accurate. I apologize

In my mind, hospitalizations are the key number, as that demonstrates how much strain is being placed on our healthcare system.

The Dept of Health said on Twitter that the hospitalization number includes, current, discharged, and deceased. I wish we just could see a number of current hospitalizations because at the end of the day that's the number that really matters.

The Dept of Health said on Twitter that the hospitalization number includes, current, discharged, and deceased. I wish we just could see a number of current hospitalizations because at the end of the day that's the number that really matters.

Yes, and thanks for that info.

Some of the issues are:

1. We still have mail delivery is anyone cleaning mail?

2. Grocery stores are where everyone goes, so you could do perfect stay at home for a month and presto, catch it the one trip you make

3. Those working get gas at pumps and touch handles

4. Flights INCONUS still going. We all know NYC is infected and has been. Check out this flight data from today, all going out of NYC:

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Some of the issues are:

1. We still have mail delivery is anyone cleaning mail?

2. Grocery stores are where everyone goes, so you could do perfect stay at home for a month and presto, catch it the one trip you make

3. Those working get gas at pumps and touch handles

4. Flights INCONUS still going. We all know NYC is infected and has been. Check out this flight data from today, all going out of NYC:

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!. Wash your hands before and after touching the mail you should be fine there or leave it in there for a day or two like get it on monday so it has 24 hours to sit since there is no mail on Sunday

2. You are right about the grocery store. I'm doing car side pick up and once again wash your hands before and after.

3. I used a couple of those towels they have hanging and used that to pump gas and washed my hands as soon as I got home

4. Yeah nothing we can do about that one

Bottom line wash your hands will probably cut your risk in half if not more. I wonder what the number on that really is?

Unless you are shaking hands with the postman, theres not much risk in touching your mail. It can't survive outside of a living organism long enough to be infectious for a long period of time. It can be there but not be transferrable. I would advise to wash your hands after. But I wouldn't be wasting my Lysol on spraying down my mail, or groceries for that matter.

Just wash your hands.

New estimates show 25% to 50% of coronavirus carriers don't even feel sick and can infect others blindly (https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/01/health/us-coronavirus-updates-wednesday/index.html)

Another way to look at that is 25-50% don't have to worry about being sick at all - net positive for society right? Combine that with the very high percentage of people experiencing mild symptoms and it seems like we might get through this yet.

TOP TEN STATE BABY! Imagine that!

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/31/testing-coronavirus-blindspots-157993

TOP TEN STATE BABY! Imagine that!

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/31/testing-coronavirus-blindspots-157993

Do y'all (because it's happened multiple times recently, not just this once) not read previous posts? This was already posted in this thread, literally less than 3 hours ago - https://www.okctalk.com/showthread.php?t=45625&p=1112194#post1112194

I also posted it before that.

Post 942 (https://www.okctalk.com/showthread.php?t=45625&page=38&p=1112152#post1112152)

Interesting piece on the difficulties in modeling.

FiveThirtyEight (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-its-so-freaking-hard-to-make-a-good-covid-19-model/)

The Dept of Health said on Twitter that the hospitalization number includes, current, discharged, and deceased. I wish we just could see a number of current hospitalizations because at the end of the day that's the number that really matters.

The executive order on the OSDH site that counts the number of vents, etc in state is also counting ALL occupied hospital beds. It's an important number. There are probably people staying home who may have used those beds for short stay surgeries, but also some things can't be put off, like deliveries and c-sectons. If that number starts to climb (it's been holding steady around 4,500) you should get worried.

Here is good resource where you can view the numbers of the country as a whole or state by state:
https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections

Do y'all (because it's happened multiple times recently, not just this once) not read previous posts? This was already posted in this thread, literally less than 3 hours ago - https://www.okctalk.com/showthread.php?t=45625&p=1112194#post1112194

Oh, so you know how tens of thousands of people in our state feel having to repeat the same messages over and over to our governor.

Numbers just updated for Wed:

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/corona040120a.jpg

Pete, can you add a to the end of that spreadsheet a 5 day trailing relation of Deaths to Hospitalized. So for example, 2 deaths on 3/23 to 4 hospitalized on 3/19. I did this and of course the initial numbers are higher, but it looks like we're closer to a 20% death rate of those hospitalized after 5 days. If we extrapolated that number, we may expect to see a death toll on 4/5 of 219 x 20% = 44 people. But I think that's a super useful data point to understanding what our future looks like.

Can anyone tell me where I might buy just one mask to wear while I buy weekly groceries? It has been about 12 days since the public run on masks. Perhaps things are a bit different now?

Not sure, but here is what I'm going with for a homemade mask until they are widely available. https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3050689/how-make-your-own-mask-hong-kong-scientists

Can anyone tell me where I might buy just one mask to wear while I buy weekly groceries? It has been about 12 days since the public run on masks. Perhaps things are a bit different now?

You can still get them on Amazon (surgical and N95). Many suppliers are prioritizing medical and LE first, but there are still many who sell to the public. They run $2-$5 PER MASK (N95). Masks are supposed to be single use with an 8-hour maximum wearability (though if you're wearing an N95 properly its very uncomfortable after about 45 minutes). If you're reusing it, the effectiveness goes down. I ordered a few in case my grandfather gets sick and I have to tend to him. Also was able to order sanitizer and those little alcohol embedded wipes for use on your phone, glasses, etc (about 2-3" square).

Here is another site that breaks down state numbers with every state on the same page so it is easy to compare OK to other states. Unfortunately, OK doesn't compare well. We are DFL in tests/million.
http://coronavirusapi.com

This is like tornado season multiplied by a million. However, we ask the same thing every year: are the weathermen overreacting on broadcasting warnings? Will this event be another disaster like the Moore tornadoes, or maybe it will be like that day last spring in which the warnings came for a full week, but relatively few lives and property were lost after all. Was it overblown or justified?

Tornadoes don't affect the national economy, much less the global one. So there's that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OJ1FQj3s-c
Are we (OKC) equipped to handle what's happening in New York. This isn't about playing favorites because N.Y has a Democrat as a Governor. Our President needs to step up. Our governor seems to be taking the right approach to brace Oklahoma's needs; my heart cries out for Dr. Calvin Sun and the team of physicians & health care workers in New York.

Will this event be another disaster like the Moore tornadoes, or maybe it will be like that day last spring in which the warnings came for a full week, but relatively few lives and property were lost after all. Was it overblown or justified?

The difference today is that we have the power to mitigate the effects of the outbreak by just taking this seriously and staying home. Tornadoes are going to go where they are going to go. This virus needs people to move. STF home, people.

Go here https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en

Scroll to the US map in the middle, and select from the top left Tests/Per Million.

Oklahoma is on another planet.

You can still get them on Amazon (surgical and N95). Many suppliers are prioritizing medical and LE first, but there are still many who sell to the public. They run $2-$5 PER MASK (N95). Masks are supposed to be single use with an 8-hour maximum wearability (though if you're wearing an N95 properly its very uncomfortable after about 45 minutes). If you're reusing it, the effectiveness goes down. I ordered a few in case my grandfather gets sick and I have to tend to him. Also was able to order sanitizer and those little alcohol embedded wipes for use on your phone, glasses, etc (about 2-3" square).
I have not seen any 3M 82xx or 85xx N95 masks on Amazon available to the general public since January. What are available for the general public are KN95's from Chinese sellers. I'm sure they are far better than no mask at all however.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/02/us/coronavirus-social-distancing.html?referringSource=articleShare

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/02/us/coronavirus-social-distancing.html?referringSource=articleShare

From that article:

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/corona040220b.jpg

Not sure, but here is what I'm going with for a homemade mask until they are widely available. https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3050689/how-make-your-own-mask-hong-kong-scientists

So if the virus is spread through respiratory droplets (sneezing, coughing), aerosolization (from a dental or intubation procedure, et al), and surface contact (last I heard, it lives a day on paper/cardboard, 3 days on plastic, glass, steel), then what good does a homemade mask that doesn't protect against any of those things do? Yes, I'm being serious - I've heard that homemade masks do not fit tight enough to filter the droplets or aerosol out. And wearing a mask comes with a big risk of someone adjusting it constantly, therefore touching their face. So are homemade masks worse than nothing (if I don't wear a mask to the grocery store, I'm aware of not touching my face and don't do it, but if I wear a mask and it's out of fit, I have to adjust it, even though it still might not provide protection)?

From what I've heard, the most important things to do are to wash your hands after touching anything in the outside world, don't touch your face until you've washed your hands, stay 6 ft away (respiratory droplets from an uncovered cough can go about 4-5 ft, I understand, but uncovered sneezes can go way further than that, though).

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/04/coronavirus-pandemic-airborne-go-outside-masks/609235/

The difference today is that we have the power to mitigate the effects of the outbreak by just taking this seriously and staying home. Tornadoes are going to go where they are going to go. This virus needs people to move. STF home, people.

The other thing to note is that the better we self isolate the fewer infections and deaths we will have. Unfortunately, there will be those that see the smaller numbers and say, "See, I told you it wasn't a big deal" when it was precisely because of those actions that it wasn't a big deal.
The cynic in me, however, doubts that we as a state will take the steps necessary to bend the curve and that combined with our underlying health problems (diabetes, obesity etc.) will make this a catastrophe. I hope I'm wrong.

Here is some very important information from Dr. Larry Bookman's Q & A yesterday.

For the last few weeks, Dr. Larry Bookman, an Oklahoma City physician and president of the Oklahoma State Medical Association, has been speaking on various platforms about COVID-19 and challenges faced by the state.

On Wednesday, he talked to The Oklahoman about COVID-19 deaths and shortages of critical equipment. Questions and answers have been edited for brevity and clarity.

Q: There has been a lot of discussion about how the confirmed case numbers from the Oklahoma State Health Department don’t represent the scope of infection. Are deaths also underreported?

A: Our reporting — today, 719 positive cases with 30 deaths — is all underreporting. The experts have said, statistically, you can expect a tenfold number to be the actual number of cases. So in our state, 719 times 10 — there’s 7,000 patients out there that are carrying the virus.

The number of deaths that are directly attributable to COVID-19 are only those that have tested positive and have died, usually of respiratory illness

What’s not being figured in is that we know now that even those who get better pulmonary-wise often will die from cardiac damage caused by the virus.

This is well documented and now coming out in the literature more — that many people beyond what we see as dying from respiratory illnesses are dying afterwards — a week or two weeks later — from COVID-19-induced heart injury.

And so those numbers, no, are not being included in the 30 deaths. Those 30 are people who have been in the hospital, generally on ventilators, who we tested and were positive and then ended up dying. So that’s all we’re looking at is our hospitalized patients who have died in the hospital with classic symptoms. But there are far more than that. But we don’t really know how many more there are.

You can read the rest on the Oklahoman website.

Numbers just updated for Thursday.

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/corona040220c.jpg

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Here is some very important information from Dr. Larry Bookman's Q & A yesterday.

For the last few weeks, Dr. Larry Bookman, an Oklahoma City physician and president of the Oklahoma State Medical Association, has been speaking on various platforms about COVID-19 and challenges faced by the state.

On Wednesday, he talked to The Oklahoman about COVID-19 deaths and shortages of critical equipment. Questions and answers have been edited for brevity and clarity.

Q: There has been a lot of discussion about how the confirmed case numbers from the Oklahoma State Health Department don’t represent the scope of infection. Are deaths also underreported?

A: Our reporting — today, 719 positive cases with 30 deaths — is all underreporting. The experts have said, statistically, you can expect a tenfold number to be the actual number of cases. So in our state, 719 times 10 — there’s 7,000 patients out there that are carrying the virus.

The number of deaths that are directly attributable to COVID-19 are only those that have tested positive and have died, usually of respiratory illness

What’s not being figured in is that we know now that even those who get better pulmonary-wise often will die from cardiac damage caused by the virus.

This is well documented and now coming out in the literature more — that many people beyond what we see as dying from respiratory illnesses are dying afterwards — a week or two weeks later — from COVID-19-induced heart injury.

And so those numbers, no, are not being included in the 30 deaths. Those 30 are people who have been in the hospital, generally on ventilators, who we tested and were positive and then ended up dying. So that’s all we’re looking at is our hospitalized patients who have died in the hospital with classic symptoms. But there are far more than that. But we don’t really know how many more there are.

You can read the rest on the Oklahoman website.

This fits a lot of what's being said in Italy as well..

https://www.wsj.com/articles/italys-coronavirus-death-toll-is-far-higher-than-reported-11585767179