Thank you. How is your Mom?

I almost hate to do this after hearing about mugofbeer's brother. But. Mom got back to the nursing home today. My sister was allowed to see her for a little bit since she's had both shots. Mom didn't know her and doesn't seem able to talk or really know anything going on around her. And she's basically skin and bones. The nursing home has called in hospice. I won't be eligible to see her until April 8 and I don't think she'll last that long.
So let these two things remind us that we can see light but it's not here yet. There's still a way to go and we have to get rid of this damn thing.

^

Bill, so very sorry to hear that.

The toll this pandemic has taken is impossible to measure. It goes way beyond just the numbers.

I almost hate to do this after hearing about mugofbeer's brother. But. Mom got back to the nursing home today. My sister was allowed to see her for a little bit since she's had both shots. Mom didn't know her and doesn't seem able to talk or really know anything going on around her. And she's basically skin and bones. The nursing home has called in hospice. I won't be eligible to see her until April 8 and I don't think she'll last that long.
So let these two things remind us that we can see light but it's not here yet. There's still a way to go and we have to get rid of this damn thing.

Oh Bill, I'm so sorry

I almost hate to do this after hearing about mugofbeer's brother. But. Mom got back to the nursing home today. My sister was allowed to see her for a little bit since she's had both shots. Mom didn't know her and doesn't seem able to talk or really know anything going on around her. And she's basically skin and bones. The nursing home has called in hospice. I won't be eligible to see her until April 8 and I don't think she'll last that long.
So let these two things remind us that we can see light but it's not here yet. There's still a way to go and we have to get rid of this damn thing.

I am very sorry to hear. I guess we know how it was after WWll. Everyone knew someone who died or was affected. It really is almost like WWIII.

I am very sorry to hear. I guess we know how it was after WWll. Everyone knew someone who died or was affected. It really is almost like WWIII.I would not have thought of that but you're absolutely right.

That is not a bad comparison. Reminds me a bit of what you hear about the Murrah bombing, too.

The WW II comparison makes you realize how bad this whole thing has been.

About 407,000 Americans died in that war over several years. With Covid-19, we are way north of half a million and still counting, and pretty much all of that was in one year.

This needs to end and quickly. It's taken such a huge toll in so many ways.

I've personally been fortunate with my own health and that of my family and close friends. But the whole situation has had a profound impact on me and it's going to linger for a long time. I know many feel the same.

I've read a few things about Covid PTSD among survivors and I'm pretty sure I have Covid-related PTSD without ever having Covid!

In January, 2020, I was diagnosed with deep vein thrombosis and bilateral pulmonary embolism, which resulted in acute heart failure. All of the symptoms were breathing related. I KNOW I have PTSD from that experience. From my reading, it's a well documented phenomenon among survivors of DVT and PE.

As I'm recovering from PE and heart failure, along comes Covid 19! I'm already paranoid about getting out of breath, but with my co-morbidities, Covid 19 might well be a death sentence, so any time I start feeling out of breath or short of breath, the Covid 19 fears amplify my paranoia significantly. I've actually had my first panic attacks in over 20 years, all related to breathing issue fears. And anyone who is familiar with anxiety knows it builds upon itself and gets perpetuated or even increased, even with no real stimulus. And wearing a mask doesn't help breathing fears.

And I'm one of the lucky ones. I've come thru this pandemic with very little impact, other than some minor inconveniences that everyone has experienced. Monday, I will be two weeks out from my second vaccination shot, and that is a HUGE factor in calming my anxiety. But it is still there, and probably will be for some time.

Like Pete said, the effects of this will be with us for a long time. Probably a lifetime for some of us.

^

Wow, what an ordeal for you! It goes to show how this affects so many in so many ways, other than just getting sick.


It's going to take a long time before many feel comfortable in a big social gathering. Even if/when this thing is pretty much knocked down, I think it will have changed the behavior of many.

That upsets me because I'm an outgoing and friendly person and I greatly miss little things like shaking hands and hugging. That sort of casual human contact may be off the table for quite some time and in many ways our long-term behavior may be impacted.

That is not a bad comparison. Reminds me a bit of what you hear about the Murrah bombing, too.I wouldn't have thought of the bombing either. That hit pretty close too. I worked for Kerr-McGee at the R&D Labs. We shut down for awhile to open the building for counsellors for the people that were at Corporate. And my wife at the time worked in the Sonic Building for Globe Life. They had damage but much worse a couple of her co-workers had kids in the Murrah Building day care.

422 new cases today; 7-day rolling average 544.

53 additional reported deaths.

Hospitalizations are 268, unchanged from yesterday.

ICU is 79 (+10).

The toll on the healthcare community will be huge. I wouldn’t be surprised if at least 10% of healthcare workers are going to leave the workforce by the end of this year. The amount of mental health damage is huge in that community, and I’m sadly expecting to see a huge spike in suicided among healthcare workers.

I made it through my Covid diagnosis in January fairly well physically, but it was the tipping point for me mentally and I’ve been in intense therapy since that time. With the stress of being a healthcare workers during this time and so the mental toll it’s been taking, I can honestly say that I was close to becoming part of the statistic I am concerned about.

I’m lucky that I am in a pretty unique situation regarding access to mental health treatment and work accommodations, but the majority of people won’t have the same options for help that I had.

^

And that's not to mention the impact on kids who have been out of school for a year and all the high school seniors and college freshman that were robbed of what is usually some of the best years of your life.

So many ripples to this.

625 new cases today; 7-day rolling average 494.

Deaths have yet to be reported. Since they are now using CDC numbers, they might come in on the weekends.

Hospitalizations are 253 (-15).

ICU is 71 (-8).

492 new cases today; 7-day rolling average 498.

No additional reported deaths but I believe the CDC doesn't report its numbers over the weekend.

I don't know what I'll set a threshold but at some point when it's been 2 weeks after my second shot and the 7 day average of new cases hits some number I'm going to venture out of have a beer from a tap. Something I haven't done in just about a year.

I get my second shot Tuesday and next weekend I'm planning on going to the supermarket for the first time in a year. I also have family visiting first week of April and we are going to go out and about. I'm not waiting until July 4th. I thought the shot protects you 95% from getting a severe infection. What was the whole point of getting the shot if your telling me I can't do things. I will still wear a mask when I go to the store and out to eat but I'm going to start doing more. There are always going to be cases and I guess it depends on how you want to look at it. 500 cases a day out of 3 million adults in Oklahoma is that high or low?

I get my second shot Tuesday and next weekend I'm planning on going to the supermarket for the first time in a year. I also have family visiting first week of April and we are going to go out and about. I'm not waiting until July 4th. I thought the shot protects you 95% from getting a severe infection. What was the whole point of getting the shot if your telling me I can't do things. I will still wear a mask when I go to the store and out to eat but I'm going to start doing more. There are always going to be cases and I guess it depends on how you want to look at it. 500 cases a day out of 3 million adults in Oklahoma is that high or low?Just the other day you were predicting that the numbers were going to go back up.

Just the other day you were predicting that the numbers were going to go back up.

I said ". I wouldn't be surprised to see over 1,000 a few time in the next few weeks until more are vaccinated hope i'm wrong" Look at what is happening in France and Italy right now. I'm still going to protect myself but I am going to go out more than what I did now that i have both my shots. You said you don't know what your threshold is. That's fine but me personally I'm not going to worry about it since I'm vaccinated. I thought that was the whole point of getting the shot. So we can start getting back to normal. If we are going to be looking at covid case, which might always be around, are we ever gong to get back to normal? Not everyone is going to get vaccinated. Religious reasons, heath reasons, or just flat right out don't want to get it. I can't worry about those people. I have my covid shot it is proven to be 95% effective time to start living my life again .

310 new cases today; 7-day rolling average 519.

69 additional reported deaths.

Hospitalization numbers will be updated this evening.

Oh, my.

I'm 60 and have a sister that is 67 and another that is 64. 2 younger sisters are 59 and 56.

We've all escaped this thing thus far. We didn't even get together for Thanksgiving or Christmas, which I always host. We literally didn't see each other at all.

I've been scared to death for myself and them. We are so close to getting through this but we can't let our guard down yet.

Please keep us posted on your brother.

My wife's coworker lost his wife to Covid-19 days before she was scheduled to get a shot. She was 49 with no comorbidities and she was not obese. It's just tragic that we are losing so many a day right now with the vaccine widely available.

I receive my second Pfizer dose tonight. Last week I made the mistake of visiting a few clients in Enid. Not a single one of them wore a mask. In fact, the only people in the entire county I saw wearing masks worked at Chik-Fil-A.

Fortunately, every client I met with had had the virus within the previous three months.

Enid is not going to win many awards for intelligence.

This question:


IThat's fine but me personally I'm not going to worry about it since I'm vaccinated. I thought that was the whole point of getting the shot.

Is answered by this:


Not everyone is going to get vaccinated. Religious reasons, heath reasons, or just flat right out don't want to get it.

We know how good the vaccines are at preventing serious disease, but we also know that people with the vaccine can still get sick. The question we don't have a good answer for is "do vaccinated people who are exposed still spread the disease".

So getting vaccinated is great. It protects you and has a great track record at keeping severe disease away, prevent hospitalization, and prevent deaths. Fewer people in the hospital also means that our health systems are not burdened as much and that they can focus their resources better. It also means that some of the more routine hospital procedures can slowly start back up.

We also don't have a good way of figuring out if the person walking around without a mask is just another COVIDiot or someone vaccinated.

So we still wear masks, and we still practice social distancing, even once we are vaccinated. To protect those who haven't been vaccinated, and especially those who cannot be vaccinated. Until we reach herd immunity levels, we still have to protect everybody even if our own protection has been enhanced.


I can't worry about those people. I have my covid shot it is proven to be 95% effective time to start living my life again .

"**** you, I got mine", am I right?

But that's really what we should expect. That's the motto of the American Way(tm) and that's the reason why the US has as many deaths as we do. I don't have any sympathy for selfish assholes anymore.

Enid is not going to win many awards for intelligence.

Let's try to avoid running down an entire city based on one day of your lived experience.

There was a recent article with data that showed people in rural Oklahoma have been hit harder by Covid-19 than their urban counterparts.

Again, you can be guaranteed that is due to the difference in politics and thus the tendency for people in smaller tons to not wear masks, not be careful, etc. In fact, I'm not sure how many towns outside of the OKC and Tulsa areas ever mandated masks.

There was a recent article with data that showed people in rural Oklahoma have been hit harder by Covid-19 than their urban counterparts.

Again, you can be guaranteed that is due to the difference in politics and thus the tendency for people in smaller tons to not wear masks, not be careful, etc. In fact, I'm not sure how many towns outside of the OKC and Tulsa areas ever mandated masks.

I'd love to see that article, if you can remember where you saw it.

Also, our daily death numbers don't make any sense to me. I know deaths have always lagged by a couple weeks but with our case numbers being down for a while I don't see how we had 69 deaths.

Non hepa filters rated MERV-13 can catch most viruses, but are more expensive.


Let's try to avoid running down an entire city based on one day of your lived experience.

So, how has your experience with Enid's city leaders led you to a different conclusion? I believe that they and most rural towns in OK have been completely absent of following good health guidelines on covid. They are the reddest of red. They may be intelligent, but still can be ignorant.

I'd love to see that article, if you can remember where you saw it.

Also, our daily death numbers don't make any sense to me. I know deaths have always lagged by a couple weeks but with our case numbers being down for a while I don't see how we had 69 deaths.
As Pete said, death stats went out the window as far as watching trends when OSDH went to reporting CDC numbers.

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There were zero deaths reported the 2 days prior. Those numbers are completely messed up as the state works towards reconciling with the CDC data.



This is the article I referenced:

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/2021/03/15/covid-19-hit-rural-oklahomans-harder-reflecting-health-disparities/4663471001/

^

There were zero deaths reported the 2 days prior. Those numbers are completely messed up as the state works towards reconciling with the CDC data.



This is the article I referenced:

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/2021/03/15/covid-19-hit-rural-oklahomans-harder-reflecting-health-disparities/4663471001/

Total joke that that article tries to completely paint the disparity in deaths as a health & resources issue, and doesn't touch on probably the biggest factor which was their behavior & total lack of respect for the seriousness of the disease.

Just sucks that metro hospitals were stressed so thin due to their carelessness.

^

It does mention that several rural counties had much higher infection rates even though the population is incredibly spread out.

They aren't going to come out and say it's due to those rural areas strongly believing in crazy disinformation due to their overwhelming political leanings. But of course, that is the reason.

https://www.news9.com/story/604a3a1b142eaa0bb8115b1b/pfizer-vaccine-97-effective-against-symptomatic-covid19-study-shows?fbclid=IwAR2PYBam1rEXaZH5hQmewcHuXHfNkFUnLaW iKC4AjMs-vVHivMm5qjRp4FQ So excuse me for waiting to do more when I get my second shot. Will I still wear a mask yes but I'm going back to living. Out to eat, concerts, casino, shopping here I come.

https://www.news9.com/story/604a3a1b142eaa0bb8115b1b/pfizer-vaccine-97-effective-against-symptomatic-covid19-study-shows?fbclid=IwAR2PYBam1rEXaZH5hQmewcHuXHfNkFUnLaW iKC4AjMs-vVHivMm5qjRp4FQ So excuse me for waiting to do more when I get my second shot. Will I still wear a mask yes but I'm going back to living. Out to eat, concerts, casino, shopping here I come.

No one is mad that you want to do more. Everyone does. Your tone just doesn't come off great. However, you said you'll still wear your mask and that's great! In fact, people need to know that once you're vaccinated that you can start doing things again!

No one is mad that you want to do more. Everyone does. Your tone just doesn't come off great. However, you said you'll still wear your mask and that's great! In fact, people need to know that once you're vaccinated that you can start doing things again!

https://www.khon2.com/coronavirus/doh-confirms-3-vaccinated-hawaii-residents-tested-positive-for-covid-19/

I have been wearing a mask since day one and truthfully next winter flu season I might wear one than also. They sale covid vaccine bracelets https://www.amazon.com/Vaccinated-Silicone-Wristband-COVID-19-Bracelet/dp/B08SKSCJ8Q thinking of getting one. Has anyone seen anyone wearing one yet?

232 new cases today; 7-day rolling average 513

13 additional reported deaths; 7-day rolling average 37.3

Hospitalizations are 266 (+13).

ICU is 83 (+12).

Not good seeing the hospital numbers go up after going down.

Not good seeing the hospital numbers go up after going down.
Cases have had a couple small up ticks. I would expect the other data will too.

Bars and restaurants have been packed and a very small percentage of the population has been fully vaccinated.

I would expect cases and everything else to start creeping up a bit.

Two things:
262 new cases today with almost 16,000 test results reported! Very good ratio.

I called my fire extinguisher inspector for our annual and he said they're behind because the wife of the field inspector had a double lung transplant 7 years ago and contracted COVID a couple months ago. She went quickly. DAMN!!!!!

Looks like Oklahoma will start putting some information into a weekly report instead of daily.

What is still daily: Daily cases, hospitalizations and CDC deaths will still be available, along with the 7-day case average.

Full reports will be out every Wednesday.

https://twitter.com/CathJSweeney/status/1372202584145063940?s=20

We're all in a race with the more transmissible and deadly variant identified in the UK. We're actually winning the race right now, but that's not guaranteed to continue. It's really sad to think of all the people that are going to die just before they could get the vaccine or chose to risk their lives because of vaccine hesitancy or misinformation.

491 new cases today; 7-day rolling average 467.

42 additional deaths reported; 7-day rolling average 38.0.

Hospitalizations are 254 (-12).

ICU is 66 (-17).

And thanks to our many Tribes, all Oklahomans are now eligible for vaccination.

We're all in a race with the more transmissible and deadly variant identified in the UK. We're actually winning the race right now, but that's not guaranteed to continue. It's really sad to think of all the people that are going to die just before they could get the vaccine or chose to risk their lives because of vaccine hesitancy or misinformation.

Do you see the higher dead per positive covid test as a function of the new strains or as a function of the change in the testing protocol? I think it could be either or both, but which is the primary factor in your estimation?

I know bars and restaurants really need the income but the fact that today turned so lousy outside will severely tamp down a bunch of big St. Patrick's Day bashes and hopefully reduce the risk of today becoming a super-spreader event in OKC.

I know bars and restaurants really need the income but the fact that today turned so lousy outside will severely tamp down a bunch of big St. Patrick's Day bashes and hopefully reduce the risk of today becoming a super-spreader event in OKC.

Good. Oklahoma is among the top states in vaccinations...so far. About 23% have had at least one dose. Texas is at 19% for comparison, Kansas 21%. We appear to be among the top 10 states in that category.

However, as you pointed out in another thread, that could all change here if we start seeing hesitancy and misinformation dominate among those yet vaccinated.

So, as good as we are doing, 3/4 of our citizens here are still vulnerable to infection. It is a race against the clock, and human stupidity.

Do you see the higher dead per positive covid test as a function of the new strains or as a function of the change in the testing protocol? I think it could be either or both, but which is the primary factor in your estimation?Not answering for dankrutka and I hope he answers too. But just my 2 cents worth. As of yesterday the CDC variant log shows no confirmed cases of the UK variant in Oklahoma. So I would think the higher death rate is just fact that OSDH changed to reporting the CDC death numbers instead of only OSDH investigated/confirmed COVID deaths.

559 new cases today; 7-day rolling average 447.

34 additional deaths reported; 7-day rolling average 30.1.

Hospitalizations are 253 (-1).

ICU is 71 (+5).

Good. Oklahoma is among the top states in vaccinations...so far. About 23% have had at least one dose. Texas is at 19% for comparison, Kansas 21%. We appear to be among the top 10 states in that category.

However, as you pointed out in another thread, that could all change here if we start seeing hesitancy and misinformation dominate among those yet vaccinated.

So, as good as we are doing, 3/4 of our citizens here are still vulnerable to infection. It is a race against the clock, and human stupidity.

Oklahoma is tied for 12th @ 24.7% w/ one shot
Oklahoma is tied at 14th @ 13.5% fully vaccinated

Lot's of different stats to share, but this one is concerning.

Oklahoma (43)
Doses distributed to state: 2,132,425
Doses administered: 1,519,597
Percentage of distributed vaccines that have been administered: 71.26

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/01/28/960901166/how-is-the-covid-19-vaccination-campaign-going-in-your-state

Per the CDC, 1 million Oklahomans (25.3%) have at least one dose of a vaccine (https://twitter.com/KOCODillon/status/1372638339136958474). Incredible.

Top ten state! Stitt has been playing the long game.

The First Big Study On COVID-19 Reinfection Is Here. Here's What It Means. (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/study-covid-19-reinfection_l_60533d0dc5b6f93a1d04a8d4)

Top ten state! Stitt has been playing the long game.

Not sure where you are getting top ten?

Not sure where you are getting top ten?

I was fudging the numbers a little for humor's sake.

Per the CDC, 1 million Oklahomans (25.3%) have at least one dose of a vaccine (https://twitter.com/KOCODillon/status/1372638339136958474). Incredible.I wonder, but am not going to guess, how many non-vaccinated people have natural antibodies currently. Those people still need to get the shots but at least for now they should be about the same as at least having the first shot.

I wonder, but am not going to guess, how many non-vaccinated people have natural antibodies currently. Those people still need to get the shots but at least for now they should be about the same as at least having the first shot.

Oklahoma has/had about 434k cases. It is hard to tell how many people have both been vaccinated and have already had Covid.

I received my first shot and have already had Covid.

I wonder, but am not going to guess, how many non-vaccinated people have natural antibodies currently. Those people still need to get the shots but at least for now they should be about the same as at least having the first shot.


Our total number of cases times two.

I wonder, but am not going to guess, how many non-vaccinated people have natural antibodies currently. Those people still need to get the shots but at least for now they should be about the same as at least having the first shot.

lots of them have no need "to get the shots"

lots of them have no need "to get the shots"
You continue to be a worthless poster on this subject. It’s inexcusable.

You continue to be a worthless poster on this subject. It’s inexcusable.
Agreed. I had the virus in April and again in November. I got an appointment just as soon as my group opened up. Everyone needs to get the vaccine and any boosters that come along.