Yeah, this whole thing is pretty political, like people's views on COVID 19 seem to be tied to their political affiliation, which is kind of strange right?

That's why there is a thread on the politics forum.
https://www.okctalk.com/showthread.php?t=45607

As the person who started the thread in the politics forum, can we please keep the politics there lol, I would like to have at least one substantive thread about this historic event.

Also, Greggo71, two of the charts you cited were from the Chinese CDC. I have not heard from anyone that thinks the Chinese are releasing accurate figures.
(Bloomberg) — The long lines and stacks of ash urns greeting family members of the dead at funeral homes in Wuhan are spurring questions about the true scale of coronavirus casualties at the epicenter of the outbreak, renewing pressure on a Chinese government struggling to control its containment narrative.
https://time.com/5811222/wuhan-coronavirus-death-toll/

Not trying to be political at all, sorry if that's how it came across. Here is another BBC article, on how Sweden is not locking down it's citizenry in the fashion of other countries - interesting to see a different approach being implemented:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52076293

Positive news from CO, the rate of doubling of confirmed cases was every 2 days, it is now out to every 5 days per the Gov's daily conference. Separation seems to be working.

The online accounts I've seen of people jamming Lowe's locations, Home Depot, and other big-box retailers have me petrified. Add to that Governor Stittiot's county-by-county approach to containment, which, as dumb as it is, is further undermined by his robust exemptions to the federally determined "non-essential" list: he is exempting virtually every retail establishment in the state. This is a waking nightmare. Stitt has Oklahoma following the Italy model, albeit with a much dumber population. The next two to three weeks will be telling.
So elsewhere it get dumber. Mississippi isn't ordering any stores to shut down and has a higher rate of cases and deaths to prove the dumbness. Restaurants and bars remain open while being required not to have in more than 10 customers.

So elsewhere it get dumber. Mississippi isn't ordering any stores to shut down and has a higher rate of cases and deaths to prove the dumbness. Restaurants and bars remain open while being required not to have in more than 10 customers.

I'll be curious to see when this thing ends how the mortality rate differed in areas with different or no restrictions.

COVID-19 Oklahoma Test Results
Positive (In-State) 565
Positive (Out-of-State) 2
Negative* 1229
Hospitalized 177
Deaths 23

The morality rate in Oklahoma is twice the national average, thats not good.

The morality rate in Oklahoma is twice the national average, thats not good.

Well I'd believe we think our "morality rate" is twice the national average (LOL) but it's not good if our "MORTALITY" rate is double. Hopefully that's simply because we have far more positives than we actually know about.

The morality rate in Oklahoma is twice the national average, thats not good.

I think until we have a good week of expanded testing the numbers are going to be off for the mortality rate. Up until recently only the most severe cases have been tested. I know a dozen people who are "presumed positive" and sick at home who haven't been tested because they didn't qualify as a high risk.

Updated for Tuesday:

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/cornoa033120a.jpg

Updated for Tuesday:

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/corona033120a.jpg

I agree.... It's pointless to try and determine our mortality rate right now. My wife, who is in HR, cannot get tests for any of her employees in Oklahoma. She is continually told, "If they don't have a fever AND another severe symptom (like trouble breathing) then they cannot be tested at this time."

So, those who need a test are not getting them and those with mild or no symptoms are not getting tested.

This fact greatly skews the math.

According to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/,

there are no states below us that has more deaths, and the next state above us 9 spots up is Virginia with 27 deaths, but they have 1,250 cases.

Oklahoma County gets a C in this social distancing scoreboard based on cell phone movement data. But many Oklahoma counties are getting D or F. Oklahoma as a state gets C.

https://www.unacast.com/covid19/social-distancing-scoreboard

[QUOTE=Pete;1111988]Updated for Tuesday:

I wish it could be known in some way, how many are recovering on a daily basis off the back end.

Oklahoma County gets a C in this social distancing scoreboard based on cell phone movement data. But many Oklahoma counties are getting D or F. Oklahoma as a state gets C.

https://www.unacast.com/covid19/social-distancing-scoreboard

People have to eat and be supplied.

I wish it could be known in some way, how many are recovering on a daily basis off the back end.

This chart shows recovered cases on a national level. Still a very low percentage (like 4% in the U.S.):

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Seems like the media is focused on Total cases, but they need to be more focused on Active cases, which don't include people who have recovered or died.

Seems like the media is focused on Total cases, but they need to be more focused on Active cases, which don't include people who have recovered or died.

It's not "the media". It's the way the numbers are being reported by the health agencies.

I am more concerned about the active cases, more than the total cases.

This chart shows recovered cases on a national level. Still a very low percentage (like 4% in the U.S.):

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

I would have to think this is only the recovered patients that were hospitalized. There is no way they have any sort of accuracy on those at home who were never sick enough.

I would have to think this is only the recovered patients that were hospitalized. There is no way they have any sort of accuracy on those at home who were never sick enough.

The recovered number is way larger than the serious/critical number, so that can't be true.

It's not "the media". It's the way the numbers are being reported by the health agencies.

The biggest takeaway right now is how hard it is to get good information on the actual state of things.

According to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/,

there are no states below us that has more deaths, and the next state above us 9 spots up is Virginia with 27 deaths, but they have 1,250 cases.

Wow. Looking at Vermont though, with their population, they're not looking good.

Just now listening to the Arkansas governor and staff live stream...500+ confirmed with 79 of those healthcare workers. Wow.

They also stated a problem with people from out of state coming there and filling up the parks. Buffalo River was specifically mentioned. They might take steps to curtail that.

Just now listening to the Arkansas governor and staff live stream...500+ confirmed with 79 of those healthcare workers. Wow.
It's a total ****show for healthcare workers right now.

Oklahoma County gets a C in this social distancing scoreboard based on cell phone movement data. But many Oklahoma counties are getting D or F. Oklahoma as a state gets C.

https://www.unacast.com/covid19/social-distancing-scoreboard

A slightly creepy data set but cool nonetheless.

Oklahoma County gets a C in this social distancing scoreboard based on cell phone movement data. But many Oklahoma counties are getting D or F. Oklahoma as a state gets C.

https://www.unacast.com/covid19/social-distancing-scoreboard

Am I wrong in thinking this is fairly subjective depending on how dense populations and services are? I mean, if its an area where most vital services (gas, medicine, groceries commutes to essential workplaces) are more stream out, it's going to make that area score lower. True?

People have to eat and be supplied.

Yeah, but some of them in Wal-Mart are not practicing social distancing even though blue tape is laid down on the floor every 6 ft. at checkouts. In one case, one was just buying Mountain Dew and cigarettes.

Big Lots does more. Besides markers on the floor it has small clear plastic shields set up for cashiers to stand in front of. Big Lots may also prop the entry doors open so you don't have to touch them walking in.

Yeah, but some of them in Wal-Mart are not practicing social distancing even though blue tape is laid down on the floor every 6 ft. at checkouts. In one case, one was just buying Mountain Dew and cigarettes.

Big Lots does more. Besides markers on the floor it has small clear plastic shields set up for cashiers to stand in front of. Big Lots may also prop the entry doors open so you don't have to touch them walking in.

Trying to tell my friend that works at a metro Braums she needs to be doing the same thing. They had 12 employee working today for lunch. Half of them are no where near 6 feet apart cause of the layout. They had a line she said of 8 people in there for lunch. Cause see Braums because of the market is still open. You can still go in there order your food. Fill up your drink at drink station. Order ice cream etc etc . Within 6 feet of the cashier i might add. I don't think any other fast food place is like this. I think all the lobbies are closed and just doing carry out i could be wrong on that though. She said no one in line were standing 6 feet apart. It would be hard at her braums to do so as really you could probably only have 2 people in there if they marked off 6 feet. I told her take a picture of it and i'll report it.

Yeah, but some of them in Wal-Mart are not practicing social distancing even though blue tape is laid down on the floor every 6 ft. at checkouts. In one case, one was just buying Mountain Dew and cigarettes.

Big Lots does more. Besides markers on the floor it has small clear plastic shields set up for cashiers to stand in front of. Big Lots may also prop the entry doors open so you don't have to touch them walking in.

There are morons everywhere. I'll go ahead and offend by saying that anyone who still smokes cigs pretty much falls into that category.

People still have to buy goods and eat. I'll throw in prescriptions since l have 3 of my own and my dogs have 4.

Yeah, but some of them in Wal-Mart are not practicing social distancing even though blue tape is laid down on the floor every 6 ft. at checkouts. In one case, one was just buying Mountain Dew and cigarettes.

Big Lots does more. Besides markers on the floor it has small clear plastic shields set up for cashiers to stand in front of. Big Lots may also prop the entry doors open so you don't have to touch them walking in.

They may be doing more now, but they seemed further behind to start with. Walmarts that were built or remodeled in the last 30 years have the main and garden doors automated. Plus the vast majority of customers at the two stores near me are using the self checkouts, which were already configured to use less touches than most store's self checkouts I have used, if you use cash then you do not even need press the screen or buttons at all.

The Arkansas governor makes Stitt look like a Fullbright Scholar, so, I guess our fate could be worse. But this is going to keep spreading throughout the state due to Stitt's weak response. He literally doesn't get it. I think it will be up to the mayors of OKC, Tulsa and few other towns to make more meaningful restrictions, for example, closing furniture stores. People need to be at home unlesss they are going to the grocer, the doctor, the drug store, or the gas station. I guess visiting parks is OK but people seem uninterested in avoiding close contact even in outdoor environments. My only guess is we have a lot of residents who simply ignore the news or don't have the faculties to understand it.

Wow, Trump announced they are predicting 100,000 - 240,000 dead in the next couple of weeks. That is very sobering.

Oklahoma Death rate is 4%. Lack of testing maybe? Testing too late and they people are already too sick? I'm going with lack of testing. Way more than 500 plus people in Oklahoma have this. I would say closer to 10,000 have it.

Compared to what the Colorado Gov announced today as the likely real number, 10k in OK sounds about accurate.

Wow, Trump announced they are predicting 100,000 - 240,000 dead in the next couple of weeks. That is very sobering.

And that’s the best case scenario! It could be way more than that. Maybe with 80% of the country now under stay at home orders this thing will start to flatten in the next 4-6 weeks otherwise we’ll be shut down for several more months.

CO just extended stay-at-home until pretty much the end of April.

Wow, Trump announced they are predicting 100,000 - 240,000 dead in the next couple of weeks. That is very sobering.

I find that amount hard to believe in just two weeks. Surely, it's for a longer time frame than that, perhaps considerably. Hopefully, projections are as wildly off as Mike Morgan's huge rain amount projections tend to be. But it does more ever make China look like it's being far less than honest with their death total at 3312 as of late March. Anyway, every state governor needs to shut down their states and not do it county by county, like Gov. Stitt. From watching Trump Tuesday, I can tell latest circumstances have forced him to take more seriously than ever the virus crisis.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/31/testing-coronavirus-blindspots-157993


Georgia, Michigan and Oklahoma are among the states where coronavirus outbreaks are intensifying — and where per capita testing rates are some of the lowest in the nation. While hard-hit New York state was testing more than 950 out of every 100,000 people as of Monday, Georgia was only testing 127 and Oklahoma 43. That raises the likelihood that these states are severely underestimating the size of their outbreaks.

^

Yes, it appears Oklahoma is dead last in testing per capita.

Disgraceful.

Wow, Trump announced they are predicting 100,000 - 240,000 dead in the next couple of weeks. That is very sobering.

My understanding is they are predicting 100,000 to 240,000 deaths total with the peak contribution to that total occurring within the next two weeks.

Still sobering.

^

Yes, it appears Oklahoma is dead last in testing per capita.

Disgraceful.

This article predicts OK to be one of three new hot spots due to pathetic lack of testing.
The next coronavirus hot spots are in states that aren’t testing enough - POLITICO
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/31/testing-coronavirus-blindspots-157993

My understanding is they are predicting 100,000 to 240,000 deaths total with the peak contribution to that total occurring within the next two weeks.

Still sobering.

Okay, total at this point means simply taking out 4,090 (from possibly 100,000 - 240,000). I fail to see how this changes the reality at all.

This article predicts OK to be one of three new hot spots due to pathetic lack of testing.
The next coronavirus hot spots are in states that aren’t testing enough - POLITICO
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/31/testing-coronavirus-blindspots-157993

That's the article I shared that he was referring to.

This article predicts OK to be one of three new hot spots due to pathetic lack of testing.
The next coronavirus hot spots are in states that aren’t testing enough - POLITICO
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/31/testing-coronavirus-blindspots-157993

Even so, everyone is mostly on lockdown and has been. More testing is needed but I don’t see how it would change anything. Nothing is open that can be further shut down to speak of.

I think more testing would make our other rates go down.

The Arkansas governor makes Stitt look like a Fullbright Scholar, so, I guess our fate could be worse. But this is going to keep spreading throughout the state due to Stitt's weak response. He literally doesn't get it. I think it will be up to the mayors of OKC, Tulsa and few other towns to make more meaningful restrictions, for example, closing furniture stores. People need to be at home unlesss they are going to the grocer, the doctor, the drug store, or the gas station. I guess visiting parks is OK but people seem uninterested in avoiding close contact even in outdoor environments. My only guess is we have a lot of residents who simply ignore the news or don't have the faculties to understand it.

On Friday, my sister-in-law traveled from Edmond (already had shelter-in-place implemented) to Stillwater (implemented shelter-in-place at 11:59 PM that Friday) for a wedding. Apparently it was OK because it only had 10 people at it. Saw video of it and absolutely no social distancing was being done, hand-holding was happening, etc.. Unbelievable. Asked my brother if he was OK with her going and he said he's been in more precarious situations at Crest. Again, unbelievable if it hadn't actually happened....

Why would any country be compelled to do this? I've been told by many posters on this board it's no worse than the annual flu.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-01/china-concealed-extent-of-virus-outbreak-u-s-intelligence-says

There are still states, such as Mississippi, that are considerably lagging Oklahoma in shutting down counties. As a result, cases and deaths per 100,000 are greater in Mississippi than in Oklahoma. Hopefully, it doesn't reflect that Mississippi is further along.

There are still states, such as Mississippi, that are considerably lagging Oklahoma in shutting down counties. As a result, cases and deaths per 100,000 are greater in Mississippi than in Oklahoma. Hopefully, it doesn't reflect that Mississippi is further along.

23 vs 22 total deaths. I hope they bought enough body bags :)

New numbers are out.

Confirmed cases jumped to 719
Hospitalization jumped to 219

Numbers just updated for Wed:

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/corona040120a.jpg

That's a very bad daily update. Nearly half of our deaths have come in the last two days.

That's a very bad daily update. Nearly half of our deaths have come in the last two days.

Given the level of hospitalizations over the last few weeks and lack of deaths...was that not expected to happen at some point?

I'm assuming the hospitalization numbers are based on the date they tested positive. It would be interesting to see the numbers based on the date they were admitted to the hospital.

The positive/death ratio is the biggest indicator in my opinion. We've increased from 2.27% on 3/19 to 4.17% on 4/1 with some daily fluctuation. We need to see that ratio trending downward before we can expect to get back to business as usual.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/31/testing-coronavirus-blindspots-157993 GET A CLUE PEOPLE STAY THE HELL HOME. Even though it's probably already too late. IMAGINE THAT

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/31/testing-coronavirus-blindspots-157993 GET A CLUE PEOPLE STAY THE HELL HOME. Even though it's probably already too late. IMAGINE THAT
So what you’re saying is that my company making most of us come in, despite the fact that most of us can work from home, is a bad idea?

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/31/testing-coronavirus-blindspots-157993 GET A CLUE PEOPLE STAY THE HELL HOME. Even though it's probably already too late. IMAGINE THAT

On Monday, after seeing three people only inches apart before a Wal-Mart cashier, I wonder if Wal-Mart is going to end up offering only self check out. The cashier was probably over 50.

Walmart to deploy temperature checks, masks and gloves to all employees nationwide: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-walmart-temperature-checks-masks-gloves-guidelines/