So 20k total people will be vaccinated in December. That is great news for LTC places and front line workers. I really hope that this will drive down some deaths and hospital numbers in a month or so.

We are almost there team. Stay safe and we can make it a few more months :)I'm assuming you're getting 20k people from 40k doses. Do you have a source for that. The documentation the nursing home showed us from the OSDH to decide whether to permit mom to get vaccinated really sounded like both injections for one person was considered a dose. I'd like to know which it is.

Because it allows people to segregate and feel less sympathy towards the older groups (they would have died soon anyway, right?).

great assumption there man.

one cannot be curious as to why the state does something without having some hidden motivation? i realize a person like yourself always has to have a meaning hidden or not but others thankfully are not like you

its weird they group ages around 18 years then stop grouping?

My sisters decided not to sign the form for mom to be one of the first to be vaccinated. I have mixed feelings. On one hand she's 93, frail and doesn't know where is most days. They're concerned about possible side effects vs any plusses for mom being vaccinated. And it's been going on 9 months and only one positive in the pretty large nursing home where she is. So I see their side. On the other hand I've had this $&@" virus twice and won't feel safe going into mom's place if she's not vaccinated. What if I had it again and give it to her. Because I'm convinced no matter how careful there's a chance even if small of spreading it.

Having elderly and parent's that need care is so incredibly hard. Covid made me so thankful my mom passed 2 years ago because l wouldn't have been able to see her for going on 9 months now and after 9 months, in her mental decline, would probably not have known me after that time. Covid has only made it a much harder ordeal. I wish you all wisdom and strength in dealing with your situation. It's clear it hurts you.

If we get 40K doses in one shipment, that is considered to be 40K people. They will ship the second dose separately.

Non hepa filters rated MERV-13 can catch most viruses, but are more expensive.


great assumption there man.

one cannot be curious as to why the state does something without having some hidden motivation? i realize a person like yourself always has to have a meaning hidden or not but others thankfully are not like you

its weird they group ages around 18 years then stop grouping?

That assumption is reflective of the remarks I've been hearing from a certain political cult for the last 6 months. Maybe I'm cynical for a reason.

Because it allows people to segregate and feel less sympathy towards the older groups (they would have died soon anyway, right?).

Right. They're old, therefore they deserve to die.

If we get 40K doses in one shipment, that is considered to be 40K people. They will ship the second dose separately.That's what the information we were given read like.

Having elderly and parent's that need care is so incredibly hard. Covid made me so thankful my mom passed 2 years ago because l wouldn't have been able to see her for going on 9 months now and after 9 months, in her mental decline, would probably not have known me after that time. Covid has only made it a much harder ordeal. I wish you all wisdom and strength in dealing with your situation. It's clear it hurts you.Thanks. Yes it does hurt. My two sisters are 14 and 17 years older than I am. The oldest sister has been "in charge" of mom's care so she's the designated visitor. Mom was having trouble remembering much about me 9 months ago. I bet if I walked in tomorrow she'd have no idea who ai am. Nobody hates this damn virus any more than I do.
I am glad dad passed in 2016 after being in bed or a wheelchair since 1980. That would have been too much to deal with now.

this is exactly how i've felt. i am incredibly social and i often seek out new spaces and people to give me energy and a change of pace. i'm at home by myself 90% of my waking hours now. it's a motonous, lonely routine. it's sucked.

Dan, I am sorry this has happened to you. Seriously, the situation you describe is one of my worst fears. It makes me sad thinking about all the lonely people this situation has created.

Anyone know the reason why they don't split up deaths more?
why not to 65-80 and then 80+. Just using 65+ is such huge group.

I would guess there is some logic around common outcomes. If the data points they're seeing for all ages over 65+ are trending the same, adding granularity into that group provides little benefit. But again, this would just be my guess.

Another look at why having city required mask wear helps:

Lawton, OK pop. 92,859, maskwear required, total positive cases: 3414, covid deaths: 27

Enid, OK pop. 49,585, maskwear NOT required, total positive cases: 3696 covid deaths: 35

Tonight channel 4 said the White House corona virus task force said Oklahoma is currently on track to record more than 8,000 new cases of COVID-19 per day by January. Oklahoma has the 4th highest positivity rate in the U. S. Channel 5 said 87% of those 54 deaths reported Wednesday happened to people age 65+. Come on people, prove them wrong. Continue to take precautions, if not already. Avoid large crowds, especially when indoors. Wear mask and social distance. I think knowing all that and acting upon it will be more effective than just a prayer to God.

Dan, I am sorry this has happened to you. Seriously, the situation you describe is one of my worst fears. It makes me sad thinking about all the lonely people this situation has created.

I am older and just staying home. I don't feel this really. The staying home is not that much off of my normal routine. I live on an acreage. No I don't have family so being separated from family is just normal unless I want to travel a long ways like over the big pond. When I worked, I worked as a firefighter and was around a group of people 24 at a time, sometimes working back to back shifts. Trust me, I liked to go home and have peace and quiet and actually be able to sleep though a night and not have to get up and go from a dead sleep to full go. These days of retirement I enjoy the quiet and peace of country life. I do miss some of my normal routine like church and coffee after with friends or anyone who happened to stay for coffee. I do miss going out and shopping for items that I really did not need, just to get out and see what is new. Most of my time really was and has been since retirement just working on my place. Other then the shopping and church, my routine has not really changed that much. I still visit with my friends on the phone almost everyday. I have friends around the world as well as family scattered out in different counties, the wonders of technology make it easy to visit via computer. I guess I just don't feel loneliness as you described as others have of depression. I just have lots to do and lots to enjoy around my place. Each of us has our own perspective I guess. I'n well stocked and will just ride this thing out hopefully safely at home.

The U.S. had over 200,000 cases yesterday and nearly 3,000 deaths, both records.

And the CDC believes it's going to get worse before it gets any better.

The U.S. had over 200,000 cases yesterday and nearly 3,000 deaths, both records.

And the CDC believes it's going to get worse before it gets any better.

Unfathomable. And there will be no leadership from the top: Trump is going around the US promoting overturning the election.

Dan, I am sorry this has happened to you. Seriously, the situation you describe is one of my worst fears. It makes me sad thinking about all the lonely people this situation has created.

Thanks for saying that. I'll be okay, really, but it helps to share that the isolation of COVID is hard. Pete's description of his struggles really resonated with me because I could have typed the same words. I am sure a lot of people are feeling it. When other people are suffering much more, it can be easy to dismiss our daily, smaller struggles, but it is still important.


I am older and just staying home. I don't feel this really... Each of us has our own perspective I guess. I'n well stocked and will just ride this thing out hopefully safely at home.

For sure. I think people are experiencing COVID very differently. I've certainly heard more introverted friends say that they really enjoy the time at home alone.

On the CNN website yesterday, not sure I remember who it was or what positions they hold in this covid thing but they were saying that anyone over 65 or with a compromised immune system or with significant health issues, should not go into any indoor space where they could potentially encounter someone not wearing a mask that could be infected. Well that about eliminates most churches, all restaurants and most stores. Even with mask ordinances there continues to be people for flaunt them and say they are exempt because of some made up health issue or just flatly refuse. Time to stick to curbside pickups for all these folks and me too.

And yet Edmond is holding the winter Farmer's Market on Saturdays indoor at the Senior Wellness Center. Seems like a good mix.

And yet Edmond is holding the winter Farmer's Market on Saturdays indoor at the Senior Wellness Center. Seems like a good mix.

:hammer:

1,707 new cases today; 7- day rolling average down to 2,354 after peaking at 3,318.

24 more reported deaths; 7-day rolling average remains at 18.9, an all-time high.

Hospitalizations are 1,734, -48 from yesterday's all-time high.

The Dept. of Health completely changed their website and current Executive Reports are nowhere to be found, so I have no idea about ICU numbers.

And yet Edmond is holding the winter Farmer's Market on Saturdays indoor at the Senior Wellness Center. Seems like a good mix.

In a year full of mind-bogglingly-dumb decisions, this is definitely in the top 10. Good grief.


1,707 new cases today; 7- day rolling average down to 2,354 after peaking at 3,318.

24 more reported deaths; 7-day rolling average remains at 18.9, an all-time high.

Hospitalizations are 1,734, -48 from yesterday's all-time high.

The Dept. of Health completely changed their website and current Executive Reports are nowhere to be found, so I have no idea about ICU numbers.

The URL still works, https://oklahoma.gov/coronavirus/news/executive-order-reports.html

Also, it sounds like we're getting the Pfizer popsicles first, with Moderna's vaccine arriving closer to the end of the month

https://twitter.com/KOCODillon/status/1334544553202884611

The URL still works, https://oklahoma.gov/coronavirus/news/executive-order-reports.html

As I said, the current Executive Reports are nowhere to be found. The latest is from 10-30.

As I said, the current Executive Reports are nowhere to be found. The latest is from 10-30.

? No, December 2nd is the latest there

As I said, the current Executive Reports are nowhere to be found. The latest is from 10-30.On that link yesterdays is there.

It's absurd that we have to hunt so hard to kind and keep current on all the data. Especially since it was pretty easily available at one point.

On that link yesterdays is there.

Thanks, they must have just updated it.

ICU is 474, -1 from yesterday's all-time high.

Thanks, they must have just updated it.

ICU is 474, -1 from yesterday's all-time high.
They seem to redo that site a lot. We joke all the time here that our systems constantly get updated just to keep code writers employed.

Neat tool from the NYTimes where you can find your place in line for a vaccine depending on your age, occupation and county:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/12/03/opinion/covid-19-vaccine-timeline.html

Being a professor bumps me up a bit, but glad to see that higher risk folks, elderly and healthcare workers get priority.

^

Very cool -- thanks for sharing.

I'm 60 and have health conditions that make me a bit of a higher risk. This is what I got from that site:


Based on your risk profile, we believe you’re in line behind 23.0 million people across the United States.

When it comes to Oklahoma, we think you’re behind 254,600 others who are at higher risk in your state.

And in Oklahoma County, you’re behind 75,600 others.

Interesting that “young adults” come before “everyone else”. So if you are in your 30s you may come before someone in their early 60s, at least according to that tool.

Interesting that “young adults” come before “everyone else”. So if you are in your 30s you may come before someone in their early 60s, at least according to that tool.

That's the opposite that I got. I'm 32 and in good health, and as I expected I'm at the very back of the line.

"Based on your risk profile, we believe you’re in line behind 268.7 million people across the United States. When it comes to Oklahoma, we think you’re behind 3.4 million others who are at higher risk in your state. And in Oklahoma County, you’re behind 699,400 others."

Interesting that “young adults” come before “everyone else”. So if you are in your 30s you may come before someone in their early 60s, at least according to that tool.

I'd probably go by Oklahoma's vaccination planned rollout. I think that puts me in group 3 of 4. I expect that to be around late March at the earliest. Located here (https://oklahoma.gov/content/dam/ok/en/coronavirus/documents/vaccine/state_of_oklahoma_covid-19_vaccination_plan.pdf) Page 19.

1,707 new cases today; 7- day rolling average down to 2,354 after peaking at 3,318.

24 more reported deaths; 7-day rolling average remains at 18.9, an all-time high.

Hospitalizations are 1,734, -48 from yesterday's all-time high.

The Dept. of Health completely changed their website and current Executive Reports are nowhere to be found, so I have no idea about ICU numbers.

Best case scenario these numbers represent is that a major increase in people getting tested before going to family gatherings on Thanksgiving and the tests identified a bunch of people who had it, so they skipped Thanksgiving and avoided infecting their family. Perhaps we'll see a drop rather than the anticipated surge because of the prevention testing offered. If that is the case, it confirms yet another way to stop the spread we've known about for a while (other than masks): widespread testing.

Best case scenario these numbers represent is that a major increase in people getting tested before going to family gatherings on Thanksgiving and the tests identified a bunch of people who had it, so they skipped Thanksgiving and avoided infecting their family. Perhaps we'll see a drop rather than the anticipated surge because of the prevention testing offered. If that is the case, it confirms yet another way to stop the spread we've known about for a while (other than masks): widespread testing.

Sorry, but no, we won't see a drop. Not until either mask mandates or business closings are enforced, or the vaccine is rolled out.

Sorry, but no, we won't see a drop. Not until either mask mandates or business closings are enforced, or the vaccine is rolled out.

In fairness, we've already seen a pretty substantial drop over the last week.

It could just be fewer people getting tested around Thanksgiving but we don't the exact reasons.


Regardless, I've committed myself to be very careful over the next few months. I'm hoping to get the vaccine in early spring and then start to regain normalcy. At this point, that's only a few months and I can deal with restrictions for a little longer if that means the biggest risks are behind us.

Sorry, but no, we won't see a drop. Not until either mask mandates or business closings are enforced, or the vaccine is rolled out.

We are already seeing a drop. I'm trying to come up with the best case scenario for why that's the case. It could also be that people simply didn't get tested on Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, so results are low and will rebound.

In fairness, we've already seen a pretty substantial drop over the last week.

It could just be fewer people getting tested around Thanksgiving but we don't the exact reasons.


Regardless, I've committed myself to be very careful over the next few months. I'm hoping to get the vaccine in early spring and then start to regain normalcy. At this point, that's only a few months and I can deal with restrictions for a little longer if that means the biggest risks are behind us.
I'm not sure how to be more careful than I've been but if I can I'm going to be until I can get a vaccine.

Maybe another sign of a dip (though hospitalizations also lag a bit): hospitalizations are down again, second day in a row, down to 1,687 https://twitter.com/KOCODillon/status/1334657752296271875

Integris Baptist is at a "code white phase II" which means internal disaster. There isn't a single hospital room available and the line for the emergency room is out the door. (Source: my mother who is a nurse there)

It's just so sad. The nurses and doctors are at their limits... Luckily for my mother, she works in a specialty field that doesn't require her to be around COVID positive patients too often, but I still worry about her.

I’m glad to see our numbers dip down this week, but I also have that feeling that we’re in the eye of the hurricane. We’ll probably see our numbers jump up next week. Just hoping our hospital staff is able to weather this storm.

We are already seeing a drop. I'm trying to come up with the best case scenario for why that's the case. It could also be that people simply didn't get tested on Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, so results are low and will rebound.

I actually think our rise in cases over the last couple of weeks could have been the result of so many getting tested prior to the holiday. It's crazy that over 1,700 cases a day is now considered a "drop," but it is about where we were two weeks before Thanksgiving.

So it would make sense that a bunch more people ran out and got tested before the holidays, many tested positive without exhibiting symptoms, and our numbers spiked.

Even at 1700 a day, that is putting a tremendous strain on our hospitals, and our deaths continue to rise. Still, I sadly imagine this "drop" will be short lived, as we see the impact of the holiday gatherings kick in.

Also, it's possible that the mayor's efforts to get folks' attention worked somewhat. It's also possible that many more people now know someone with Covid-19, or know someone who has died from it, causing them to second-guess their Covid-denial drivel.

Sadly, looks like the drop was caused by a data issue.


Heads up: OSDH says an issue with their internal reporting system caused a backlog of cases that will be reported today, for a total of 4,827 new cases. Those cases should have been distributed over 12/2-today. Standby while I try to sort through it.

https://twitter.com/KOCODillon/status/1334902718947848197

New cases today 4,827, a new record. 7-day rolling average now 3,044.

24 additional deaths. 7-day rolling average 22.3, the largest ever by far.

Hospitalizations are 1,687 (-47) and ISU is 482 (+8), the latter being an all-time high.

No drop at all. Just weird data glitches from the holiday, as many here suspected. CV-19 is on a roll in Oklahoma. Good thing the governor just replaced a state school board member who supported mask usage in schools with an anti-masker.

What a joke. State leaders, some of whom believe this is a hoax, encouraged people to go out and about, and refuse to implement mask mandates are considered in a phase before teachers? 16604

Pfizer chair reveals tiny COVID vaccine detail that could greatly impact the course of the virus (https://www.alternet.org/2020/12/19-vaccine-2649242860/)

"Clips from the upcoming Dateline prime-time special titled, "Race for a Vaccine" have highlighted Bourla's remarks regarding the Pfizer vaccine's effectiveness in mitigating the spread of the virus. He admitted to host Lester Holt that he was "not certain" if the COVID vaccine would prevent the coronavirus from being transmitted.

"Even though I've had the protection, am I still able to transmit it to other people?"

"I think this is something that needs to be examined. We are not certain about that right now with what we know," Bourla responded."

Makes sense - f you've been vaccinated and catch it, you can still possibly transmit it, not really a surprise, since ~5 out of 100 will still be vulnerable to catching it. Guess it's something they need to get out there, though, but his wording isn't exactly crystal-clear.

What a joke. State leaders, some of whom believe this is a hoax, encouraged people to go out and about, and refuse to implement mask mandates are considered in a phase before teachers?

Maybe they're thinking it's best to inoculate the stupid first, since they are the ones most likely to spread it through irresponsible behavior?

What a joke. State leaders, some of whom believe this is a hoax, encouraged people to go out and about, and refuse to implement mask mandates are considered in a phase before teachers? 16604

Gov. Stitt should be at the bottom of the list, or maybe not even on it at all, since he said he was immune from already having covid.

No drop at all. Just weird data glitches from the holiday, as many here suspected. CV-19 is on a roll in Oklahoma. Good thing the governor just replaced a state school board member who supported mask usage in schools with an anti-masker.
Huh? Being sarcastic? https://www.stwnewspress.com/covid-19/stitt-boots-mask-mandate-supporter-for-opponent-on-education-board/article_e3c9ebc2-3680-11eb-a88d-5380f313340c.html

If you're against masks, are you going to be surprised if the state has to shutdown like never before in January from having over 8000 positive cases every day? Perish the thought. I can't believe that will happen until it actually does happen.

Should we expect the numbers of positives to drop immediately from the fasting or do we have to wait 10 days?

Huh? Being sarcastic? https://www.stwnewspress.com/covid-19/stitt-boots-mask-mandate-supporter-for-opponent-on-education-board/article_e3c9ebc2-3680-11eb-a88d-5380f313340c.html

If you're against masks, are you going to be surprised if the state has to shutdown like never before in January from having over 8000 positive cases every day? Perish the thought. I can't believe that will happen until it actually does happen.

If you read any of soonerguru's posts, you would come to the conclusion that he was being sarcastic.

Huh? Being sarcastic? https://www.stwnewspress.com/covid-19/stitt-boots-mask-mandate-supporter-for-opponent-on-education-board/article_e3c9ebc2-3680-11eb-a88d-5380f313340c.html

If you're against masks, are you going to be surprised if the state has to shutdown like never before in January from having over 8000 positive cases every day? Perish the thought. I can't believe that will happen until it actually does happen.

He was very much being sarcastic. In Melissa Crabtree, we now have an anti-mask, conspiracy theorist, essential oils saleswoman overseeing our education system

4,370 new cases today. 7-day rolling average now 2,774.

14 more deaths; 7-day rolling average is 22.4, a new high.

Hospitalizations are 1,721 (+34). All-time high is 1,784 of a few days ago.

ICU is 472 (-10), down slightly from yesterday's all-time high.

Best case scenario these numbers represent is that a major increase in people getting tested before going to family gatherings on Thanksgiving and the tests identified a bunch of people who had it, so they skipped Thanksgiving and avoided infecting their family. Perhaps we'll see a drop rather than the anticipated surge because of the prevention testing offered. If that is the case, it confirms yet another way to stop the spread we've known about for a while (other than masks): widespread testing.

Given yesterday’s and today’s testing numbers, it appears we’re much more closer to the worst case scenario than we are to the best case scenario I laid out. Very sad.

I just checked the dept of health website, it was showing adult icu beds at 3% available which is 33. If this is correct (either for now or yesterday or? ) that is not a lot of beds statewide. If you figure that Tulsa and OkC areas have the vast majority and divide that between the two areas, this is not many beds left for either covid or medical patients. Don't get sick or have an accident right now.

Huh? Being sarcastic? https://www.stwnewspress.com/covid-19/stitt-boots-mask-mandate-supporter-for-opponent-on-education-board/article_e3c9ebc2-3680-11eb-a88d-5380f313340c.html

If you're against masks, are you going to be surprised if the state has to shutdown like never before in January from having over 8000 positive cases every day? Perish the thought. I can't believe that will happen until it actually does happen.

Yes, very sarcastic. Read this article. Absolutely infuriating.

https://oklahomawatch.org/2020/12/04/stitts-new-board-of-education-pick-spread-misinformation-conspiracy-theories/?fbclid=IwAR3dvhX_tN9rp4agAwued6DfUsxcTB9WlZtDoWqs pOZC1-FtuFZl2Dz72m0

What a joke. State leaders, some of whom believe this is a hoax, encouraged people to go out and about, and refuse to implement mask mandates are considered in a phase before teachers? 16604

Seriously, F these aholes.

If things dont turn around soon we are gonna get half a million Americans dead and the covid hoax deniers & heard immunity planners are still gonna think they are the smartest people in the room.

It seems like I’m continually embarrassed by this state whether it be the leadership or the decision making and/or relative education of the population here.

I’ll leave the leadership be for now, but what I’m seeing at the OU football game is freaking embarrassing especially on national tv. The stands appear to be very full. It’s not necessarily that though, but I’m seeing massless people all over the place in that stadium screaming and yelling and whatever. Being outdoors kinda loses its effectiveness when your around people for nearly 4 hours...

Edit: I’m referring to the population of the state...not here on this forum :)

^ Not just OU I watched a few other games that were similar. Auburn vs A&M and Texas vs Kansas State, among others