Don’t worry, Stitt has a solution: A day of fasting and prayer on Thursday! *eye roll*

I don't recall Gov. Fallin's call for a day of prayer over the oil fields doing any good, other than eventually quite greatly reducing the occurrences of Oklahoma earthquakes of 3.0 or more in magnitude. They're now pretty much non-existent. So do pray. It might do some kind of good.

Recent Oklahoma Earthquakes: https://stillwaterweather.com/okareaearthquakes

Yeah because prayer lowered the amount of earthquakes and it had nothing to do with the traffic light system and impossing limits on desposal wells. It was prayer and not the actions of government regulations. Prayer certainly wont help get covid numbers down but it wont make it worse either.

Prayer certainly wont help get covid numbers down but it wont make it worse either.

Well it depends on what you pray for.

I have high blood pressure, cholesterol and need to lose 30 lbs. And I'm almost 62. I expected that if I got COVID it would be bad. I had it in March and barely knew I had anything. Really only put 2&2 together when I tested positive for antibodies. My wife had similar very minor symptoms right after me at that time. The worst was the odd hot spells, sweating spells and breathing issues since then. Still not severe though.
Then around 3 weeks ago I had exactly the same symptoms as in March. But a little worse. I still feel really tired and generally like crap every day now. Unfortunately my wife also had the same symptoms she had in April about 2 weeks ago. She seems fine now except for being exhausted . She slept most of the holiday weekend.
She hasn't left the house since March except to go to work and she's in a office by herself there. I go to work and do the shopping. I can stay very isolated at work and besides, most of this time work has been pretty empty. When shopping I wear N95 masks and go through lots of sanitizer. So I really don't get how I could catch anything but I did.

Your eyes are very susceptible to contracting covid.

OK is getting 40k doses of the vaccine (30k Pfizer, 10k Moderna) between Dec. 10-14. We have ~17,000 folks in LTC so I'd imagine the leftover goes to healthcare workers. Glad to see we're starting to get this out.

https://twitter.com/KassieMcClung/status/1333521449764708358

now if i remember correctly.. the pfizer vaccine is a two dose vaccine... so that's really only about 25k people, correct?

They will ship two sets of doses. With the unique storage requirements of the Pfizer vaccine there is no real way of holding onto anything for the second dose. So if you get X this time, the same people will get the same number of doses in 3 weeks.

Both mRNA (Pfizer and Moderna) vaccine candidates are two doses.

Is there a good site or paper that explains the difference between vaccines and which one we should take or at least give us enough information that we can make an informed decision on which one to choose when we get an opportunity to take the vaccine?

now if i remember correctly.. the pfizer vaccine is a two dose vaccine... so that's really only about 25k people, correct?

No I believe they provide enough to complete the entire dose, so it'll be around 80k shots for 40k doses.

Is there a good site or paper that explains the difference between vaccines and which one we should take or at least give us enough information that we can make an informed decision on which one to choose when we get an opportunity to take the vaccine?

This remains to be seen, but I wouldn’t be surprised if this ends up being a situation where you get what you get and don’t necessarily have the option of choosing a specific vaccine.

Is there a good site or paper that explains the difference between vaccines and which one we should take or at least give us enough information that we can make an informed decision on which one to choose when we get an opportunity to take the vaccine?

I heard a medical professional the other day when asked this question - he said the best vaccine is the one you can get when offered. Both are over 90 % effective.

Is there a good site or paper that explains the difference between vaccines and which one we should take or at least give us enough information that we can make an informed decision on which one to choose when we get an opportunity to take the vaccine?

I was listening to an interview on NPR last week with an infectious disease expert about this very question. He basically said that all of the current vaccines work similarly and you should just take the first one that is available to you and not worry about which one it is.

Vaccine Expert: Once A COVID Vaccine Is Available, 'Don't Overthink It. Don't Wait' (https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/11/24/938375308/vaccine-expert-once-a-covid-vaccine-is-available-dont-overthink-it-dont-wait)


"One of the questions that I'm asked all the time is, 'Hey, doc, which vaccine are you waiting for?' And the answer is ... I'm going to take any of those vaccines that's made available to me that's authorized by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration," he says. "Don't overthink it. Don't wait. Get what vaccine you can."

1,737 new cases reported today. 7-day rolling average now 2,696.

15 additional deaths; 7-day rolling average now 13.4.

As of last night, hospitalizations were 1,718 (+65) for an all-time high. ICU was 461 (+29), another record.

Hopefully this downward trend indicates real change and not just a short term leftover from Thanksgiving

Hopefully this downward trend indicates real change and not just a short term leftover from Thanksgiving

i think it's fewer testing.... i have asked a bunch of people who tested before they went to Thanksgiving, if they have tested now that they have returned home, and almost all of them have said that they didn't feel a need to

And we're now at the "setting up field hospital tents to prep for COVID overflow" stage of the pandemic. Ugh.

https://twitter.com/KOCODillon/status/1333829736477450242

Good read on the continuing work on vaccines and what will have to continue for years. Had heard the trials relied on a pretty small number of cases, but didn't know how small, which is in the article.

Covid-19 vaccine efficacy results are not enough (https://www.vox.com/21575420/oxford-moderna-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-trial-biontech-astrazeneca-results)

And we're now at the "setting up field hospital tents to prep for COVID overflow" stage of the pandemic. Ugh.

https://twitter.com/KOCODillon/status/1333829736477450242

Of course we are, does anybody with any knowledge of science and how the US population is behaving expect anything different? It's going to get horrible-r for a while, nothing will get better until the vaccine gets rolled out in a major way.

Americans likely infected with COVID far earlier than 'first' US case: CDC study (https://www.alternet.org/2020/12/covid-19/)

Hopefully this downward trend indicates real change and not just a short term leftover from Thanksgiving

Gotta love your optimism, but this is probably just a statistical lag from non-reporting over the holiday. The next three weeks or so are going to be a complete nightmare. Hopefully the mayor's strong press conference will mitigate this somewhat for people who pay attention to news and listen to experts.

I suspect that number of people (who would even listen to the mayor) is less than half of the adult population in the OKC Metro, meaning more than half went about their lives like nothing is going on.

Americans likely infected with COVID far earlier than 'first' US case: CDC study (https://www.alternet.org/2020/12/covid-19/)

Duh, lol. A friend of mine out in CA thinks he and all of his friends got it back in November of 2019. All tested negative for the flu and had all the symptoms.

Duh, lol. A friend of mine out in CA thinks he and all of his friends got it back in November of 2019. All tested negative for the flu and had all the symptoms.


I also mentioned possibly having for it, and nobody here believed it due to my lack of contact with anybody from Wuhan.

I also mentioned possibly having for it, and nobody here believed it due to my lack of contact with anybody from Wuhan.

You probably didn't have it. That study has some issues re: specificity and cross-reactivity to seasonal coronaviruses circulating at the time: https://twitter.com/CT_Bergstrom/status/1333844891516895234

As of today, slightly more than 5% of all Oklahomans have been infected with Covid-19.

That's one in 20 people; almost 200,000 total.

This video of an Oklahoma nurse who lost her mother and husband is heart wrenching: https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2020/12/01/icu-nurse-lizanne-jennings-lost-husband-and-mother-to-covid-19-intv-nr-bolduan-vpx.cnn

I’m sure he doesn’t feel it, but Stitt should feel shame for the rest of his life for playing politics while his constituents died.

Hopefully this downward trend indicates real change and not just a short term leftover from Thanksgiving

I guess there is the possibility that the increased testing before Thanksgiving identified some potential asymptomatic spreaders that, in turn, actually did what they were supposed to do and isolate, but I doubt that would be enough to offset those who were infected and participated in family gatherings.

Either way, it takes at least a week for the data to reflect a change in transmission rates. For those infected on Thanksgiving day, a lot of would not test positive before today.

As of today, slightly more than 5% of all Oklahomans have been infected with Covid-19.

That's one in 20 people; almost 200,000 total.

This is just detected cases, too.

Oklahoma physicians dispute claims that COVID-19 is just another flu-like virus: https://www.fox23.com/news/local/okl...=snd-autopilot

FROM ARTICLE: "Oklahoma physicians are fighting back against the common claim that COVID-19 is just another influenza-like virus. Dr. George Monks with the Oklahoma Medical Association said Tuesday people are throwing out the common misconception that the coronavirus is just another virus as an excuse to not wear a mask and take other precautions when the data shows, COVID-19 is ten times deadlier than the flu.

“In Oklahoma, we have about 85 average flu deaths a year,” Monks said. “With COVID ever since this thing began we are now to almost 1,800 people. That’s not flu-like numbers.”

Oklahoma physicians dispute claims that COVID-19 is just another flu-like virus: https://www.fox23.com/news/local/okl...=snd-autopilot

FROM ARTICLE: "Oklahoma physicians are fighting back against the common claim that COVID-19 is just another influenza-like virus. Dr. George Monks with the Oklahoma Medical Association said Tuesday people are throwing out the common misconception that the coronavirus is just another virus as an excuse to not wear a mask and take other precautions when the data shows, COVID-19 is ten times deadlier than the flu.

“In Oklahoma, we have about 85 average flu deaths a year,” Monks said. “With COVID ever since this thing began we are now to almost 1,800 people. That’s not flu-like numbers.”

OMG are people still making the "this is like the flu" argument? FML They should be ignored completely at this point.

OMG are people still making the "this is like the flu" argument? FML They should be ignored completely at this point.

You really can't talk these people away from it. I have listened and brought up evidence and you get met with "Well they are just making up COVID deaths and they aren't really that high."

It's really sad.

I was listening to an interview on NPR last week with an infectious disease expert about this very question. He basically said that all of the current vaccines work similarly and you should just take the first one that is available to you and not worry about which one it is.

Vaccine Expert: Once A COVID Vaccine Is Available, 'Don't Overthink It. Don't Wait' (https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/11/24/938375308/vaccine-expert-once-a-covid-vaccine-is-available-dont-overthink-it-dont-wait)


I heard a medical professional the other day when asked this question - he said the best vaccine is the one you can get when offered. Both are over 90 % effective.

That's good to know that they both are equally effective and that it doesn't really matter. Thanks

I will be the first in line when this is available.

Really hoping that by this summer we will be starting to regain normalcy.

I will be the first in line when this is available.

Really hoping that by this summer we will be starting to regain normalcy.

They should probably have everyone take a Meyers-Briggs test and move the extroverts to the top of the list..... Being the introvert I am. I can stay away from people indefinitely.... I'm perfectly fine hiking, mountain biking, and geocaching, for another year. ;)

I think people are underestimating how even small numbers of vaccines going out are going to impact numbers. There isn't going to be an exact, singular moment when this thing "ends," but rather a gradual, continual improvement as more people get vaccinated. While the vaccine will be widely available to all by April (hopefully), the world at that time will hopefully look a lot more normal than the world now. We just gotta get through this peak.

They should probably have everyone take a Meyers-Briggs test and move the extroverts to the top of the list..... Being the introvert I am. I can stay away from people indefinitely.... I'm perfectly fine hiking, mountain biking, and geocaching, for another year. ;)Hey! A fellow geocacher!!

I think people are underestimating how even small numbers of vaccines going out are going to impact numbers. There isn't going to be an exact, singular moment when this thing "ends," but rather a gradual, continual improvement as more people get vaccinated. While the vaccine will be widely available to all by April (hopefully), the world at that time will hopefully look a lot more normal than the world now. We just gotta get through this peak.The UK is supposed to get 10 million doses starting next week. That should cover about 15% of the population. It will be interesting in a month or so to see how their trends are going by then. Hopefully pretty well.

They should probably have everyone take a Meyers-Briggs test and move the extroverts to the top of the list..... Being the introvert I am. I can stay away from people indefinitely.... I'm perfectly fine hiking, mountain biking, and geocaching, for another year. ;)

I'm an INTP, I'm good with all this distancing too. :) When we decided not to do Thanksgiving (we're the only good cooks in our family, so we get stuck a lot with holiday-type meals), we were so happy to just make a couple of things for ourselves and get caught up watching a bunch of shows we've missed. Having said that, however, we'll probably be first in line too, it'd be nice to eat in a restaurant again (especially Nonesuch, we cancelled our June reservation, we were looking forward to it so much), have only done that once since March (during the ice storm when our power was out).

The isolation is taking its toll on me.

I get energy from other people and thus I've been experiencing something like a low-grade depression for months now.

Also, this whole situation is destroying my businesses.


I usually love the holidays but this year, I am looking forward to spring and summer a lot more than usual.

They should probably have everyone take a Meyers-Briggs test and move the extroverts to the top of the list...

yeah... they'd probably end up giving me a voight-kampff test instead. : )

The isolation is taking its toll on me.

I get energy from other people and thus I've been experiencing something like a low-grade depression for months now.
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My low grade depression kicks in when the time changes and goes away when I get my extra hour of sunlight back.

It's sad that so many businesses are suffering through this but at the same time this is where we will see the innovators that don't live in a static world thrive.... Change isn't always a bad thing.

I really hope the restaurant industry doesn't try to return to "normal" after this because who knows when it happens again with another virus.

The isolation is taking its toll on me.

I get energy from other people and thus I've been experiencing something like a low-grade depression for months now.

Also, this whole situation is destroying my businesses.


I usually love the holidays but this year, I am looking forward to spring and summer a lot more than usual.

I've taken the Myers-Briggs at least four times and unofficial versions online many times and I always come out with a very strong preference for Introversion (INFP is my type) but I do require some level of social interaction with people.

I work in the schools and with no students and all staff quarantining in their rooms/offices, it has been a miserable experience for me. Plus, the resentment at having to needlessly go in to work and potentially be exposed to the virus has compounded the misery. And the superintendent keeps looking for reasons/ways to bring people back into the buildings. I just don't get it.

I tend to disagree, politically, with most of the posters on this board and I hate how politics colors almost every subject (generally speaking of our society, not this board), but I'm 100% with the members here on Covid-19. I've been pleasantly surprised by how many conservative leaning people I know have discarded the political aspect of this pandemic and are taking it very seriously. Maybe there is hope for us as a society.

You really can't talk these people away from it. I have listened and brought up evidence and you get met with "Well they are just making up COVID deaths and they aren't really that high."

It's really sad.

I was talking to my wife about it, and we do think there's a lot of folks who are just digging in because at this point admitting they were wrong is just unimaginable. For one, as a society we're not good about letting people be wrong and then moving on. We mock it. We disdain it. We say "too little too late" or whatever else. However we respond, we rarely commend it, even though we should.

But, larger than that, I think folks know, at some level, that admitting they were wrong will also imply some culpability for the unnecessary deaths that have occurred. That's something that I can imagine a lot of people would have a problem with accepting or admitting to themselves.

None of this excuses those people, but I think we can be cognizant of their thinking and reasoning. It's leading me to accept that there is just a segment of the population that will never accept or do what needs to be done. They can't.

2,859 new cases today; 7-day rolling average now 2,571.

54 (!!) additional reported deaths; that is more than double the previous 1-day high.

Hospitalizations rate 1,782 (+64) and ICU 475 (+14), both all-time highs.

Yeah the state needs to start releasing the actual date of death for these folks, this amorphous total doesn't really tell us a lot.

Yeah the state needs to start releasing the actual date of death for these folks, this amorphous total doesn't really tell us a lot.

I was typing the same thing up. They need to let us know when the deaths occured. I know they have HIPAA issues and all that but is this just a backup from the holidays or did these people die yesterday or three weeks ago?!

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None of this excuses those people, but I think we can be cognizant of their thinking and reasoning. It's leading me to accept that there is just a segment of the population that will never accept or do what needs to be done. They can't.

Read this article this morning, coincidentally. How do you even begin to try to find someplace to start if someone won't recognize actual facts and truth? BTW, facts can and do change *my* mind, just to be clear.

These psychological mechanisms explain why facts won’t change anyone’s mind (https://www.alternet.org/2020/12/neuroscience-facts/)

Yeah the state needs to start releasing the actual date of death for these folks, this amorphous total doesn't really tell us a lot.

Does the extra day really matter?

The main things are the totals and the trends.

7-day rolling average is now 18.9, by far the highest it's ever been.

Does the extra day really matter?

The main things are the totals and the trends.

7-day rolling average is now 18.9, by far the highest it's ever been.

It's not just one day. These deaths go all the way back to October apparently and we still don't have a clear outline of the process the state goes through when it reports these deaths. If we knew date of death it would help us know if there was a recent spike or a backloading of data. Most folks will just glance at the 54 number and be (rightfully!) shocked, without looking further and realizing that some of this is month-old data.

It's not just one day. These deaths go all the way back to October apparently and we still don't have a clear outline of the process the state goes through when it reports these deaths. If we knew date of death it would help us know if there was a recent spike or a backloading of data. Most folks will just glance at the 54 number and be (rightfully!) shocked, without looking further and realizing that some of this is month-old data.

This was in the daily email; I still don't think it much matters:

Of the 54 deaths reported today:

The deaths occurred between Oct. 24 and Nov. 30, 2020
37 occurred since Nov. 26
47 decedents were aged 65+
6 decedents were 50-64 years of age
1 decedent was 18-35 years of age

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It's not just one day. These deaths go all the way back to October apparently and we still don't have a clear outline of the process the state goes through when it reports these deaths. If we knew date of death it would help us know if there was a recent spike or a backloading of data. Most folks will just glance at the 54 number and be (rightfully!) shocked, without looking further and realizing that some of this is month-old data.

Maybe they'll be shocked that previous deaths were under reported, and probably are still being underreported.

This was in the daily email; I still don't think it much matters:

Of the 54 deaths reported today:

The deaths occurred between Oct. 24 and Nov. 30, 2020
37 occurred since Nov. 26
47 decedents were aged 65+
6 decedents were 50-64 years of age
1 decedent was 18-35 years of age

Anyone know the reason why they don't split up deaths more?
why not to 65-80 and then 80+. Just using 65+ is such huge group.

Anyone know the reason why they don't split up deaths more?
why not to 65-80 and then 80+. Just using 65+ is such huge group.
Look at the weekly Epidemiology reports on the OSDH site. They do break it down to 10 year age periods. 15 to 24, 25 to 34 etc.

Anyone know the reason why they don't split up deaths more?
why not to 65-80 and then 80+. Just using 65+ is such huge group.

Why would that matter?

Yeah the state needs to start releasing the actual date of death for these folks, this amorphous total doesn't really tell us a lot.

Always expect a post like this after a day in which a large number of deaths are reported. Like clockwork.

Why would that matter?

Because it allows people to segregate and feel less sympathy towards the older groups (they would have died soon anyway, right?).

The isolation is taking its toll on me.

I get energy from other people and thus I've been experiencing something like a low-grade depression for months now.

this is exactly how i've felt. i am incredibly social and i often seek out new spaces and people to give me energy and a change of pace. i'm at home by myself 90% of my waking hours now. it's a motonous, lonely routine. it's sucked.

Press conference tomorrow at 11am on the first vaccines coming to Oklahoma

https://twitter.com/KOCODillon/status/1334248651430965248

Press conference tomorrow at 11am on the first vaccines coming to Oklahoma

https://twitter.com/KOCODillon/status/1334248651430965248

Good day to have the press conference. They wont have to worry about running over into lunch since everyone will be fasting.

Press conference tomorrow at 11am on the first vaccines coming to Oklahoma

https://twitter.com/KOCODillon/status/1334248651430965248My sisters decided not to sign the form for mom to be one of the first to be vaccinated. I have mixed feelings. On one hand she's 93, frail and doesn't know where is most days. They're concerned about possible side effects vs any plusses for mom being vaccinated. And it's been going on 9 months and only one positive in the pretty large nursing home where she is. So I see their side. On the other hand I've had this $&@" virus twice and won't feel safe going into mom's place if she's not vaccinated. What if I had it again and give it to her. Because I'm convinced no matter how careful there's a chance even if small of spreading it.

So 20k total people will be vaccinated in December. That is great news for LTC places and front line workers. I really hope that this will drive down some deaths and hospital numbers in a month or so.

We are almost there team. Stay safe and we can make it a few more months :)