If we paid bars, restaurants, concert venues, etc. to stay closed and pay their employees until there's a vaccine, it would probably cost less than the health care costs from the number of cases they're currently causing by having to open back up in order to stay in business. It would also be helpful for anyone in a position of authority to drive home the point that Halloween, Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Year's celebrations can't be done safely this year, save for small outdoor gatherings. Neither of those things are going to happen at this point, but that would be a theoretical start. As it is, the current rise in cases is incredibly worrying.

Covid-19: China's Qingdao to test nine million in five days

Covid-19: China's Qingdao to test nine million in five days

China tests Nine Million because of they discovered 12 cases in the region. We will never get this under control until we can dispatch widespread, easy to utilize fast results testing. The ability to test large populations with instant results is needed now probably more than a vaccine. We also need a national mask mandate.

Also there are the huge number of deniers. I talked to an acquaintance who still says it just the bad flu that will be gone after the election. Lots and lots of those people I have run into. They refuse to wear a mask or social distance. I guess I will be the odd one. I was in Sprouts today. They open to side by side checkouts with people standing 3' side by side. Nope I ante checking out like that. That is not 6 ft apart. I am tired of trying to dodge these people. I stepped back and alomost knocked over a huge display of olive oil. I am getting so tired of this. I don't know how to do instacart if you are out of thier delievery area. I don't shop Walmart, I only shp Sprouts, Alid's and Natural grocers and Sams club for paper goods, printer ink etc What is one to do when one is older. Nope no family.

Also there are the huge number of deniers. I talked to an acquaintance who still says it just the bad flu that will be gone after the election. Lots and lots of those people I have run into. They refuse to wear a mask or social distance. I guess I will be the odd one. I was in Sprouts today. They open to side by side checkouts with people standing 3' side by side. Nope I ante checking out like that. That is not 6 ft apart. I am tired of trying to dodge these people. I stepped back and alomost knocked over a huge display of olive oil. I am getting so tired of this. I don't know how to do instacart if you are out of thier delievery area. I don't shop Walmart, I only shp Sprouts, Alid's and Natural grocers and Sams club for paper goods, printer ink etc What is one to do when one is older. Nope no family.

You can do Sprouts online, create an account and do curbside pickup. It is a great option. https://shop.sprouts.com/

"I don't know how to do instacart if you are out of thier delievery area. "

Never done this myself thru instacart, but I believe it allows for buy online pickup in store (bopis). The aldi on n May has painted parking spots where you park and they bring to your vehicle. An option to limit your exposure.

Other options for delivery are butcher box, imperfect foods; walmart has delivery also, I do suppose it is location dependent...

I've been using a combination of the above since march

If we paid bars, restaurants, concert venues, etc. to stay closed and pay their employees until there's a vaccine, it would probably cost less than the health care costs from the number of cases they're currently causing by having to open back up in order to stay in business. It would also be helpful for anyone in a position of authority to drive home the point that Halloween, Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Year's celebrations can't be done safely this year, save for small outdoor gatherings. Neither of those things are going to happen at this point, but that would be a theoretical start. As it is, the current rise in cases is incredibly worrying.
Closing or limiting the number of entrants to bars, clubs, restaurants, would be a big help. We know these places are tightly packed and people tend to stay there for extended time period. Takeout and delivery are safer alternatives.

Closing or limiting the number of entrants to bars, clubs, restaurants, would be a big help. We know these places are tightly packed and people tend to stay there for extended time period. Takeout and delivery are safer alternatives.AMEN!!!!! And while this would affect some people's and business's income it would be well worth it in the end. I'm concerned that if we continue to just do really nothing it could end up being fiscally worse than if we limited business now.

Sitting here in my office I just heard a commercial for the "BIG" gun show at the fairgrounds this weekend. I wonder what percentage of attendees will be wearing masks.

Gotta get your guns before the libs win the election /sarc.

P.S.- almost all the gun show buyers and sellers already have enough guns and ammo to fund a coup in a small central American Republic.

Gotta get your guns before the libs win the election /sarc.

P.S.- almost all the gun show buyers and sellers already have enough guns and ammo to fund a coup in a small central American Republic.
Exactly. This was just one more thing that wasn't necessary right now. Just let AAOTH.

1,010 new cases today; 7-day rolling average is 1,266 off the high of 1,348 two days ago.

22 (!!) additional deaths, the most ever reported in one day.

Hospitalizations are 907 (-17).

ICU 286 (-19).

https://mobile.twitter.com/gregweaton/status/1320808540680921088?prefetchtimestamp=160381806155 1

https://mobile.twitter.com/gregweaton/status/1320808540680921088?prefetchtimestamp=160381806155 1

That's impressive!

Does anybody know if any of these outbreaks are being traced back to football games?

With the ice storm causing people to stay indoors for ~2-3 days, I'll be interested to see how large the drop in cases is, if there is one. If there is a substantial drop, it's yet more evidence of what we need to be doing to beat the virus until the vaccine arrives.

With the ice storm causing people to stay indoors for ~2-3 days, I'll be interested to see how large the drop in cases is, if there is one. If there is a substantial drop, it's yet more evidence of what we need to be doing to beat the virus until the vaccine arrives.

The bars and the restaurants have become havens for Covid. And I realize a lot of people don’t like drinking alone (because they’ve been socialized to believe it is wrong), but now is not the time to worry about appearances or social graces. We need our policy makers to actually step up and implement best practices.

With the ice storm causing people to stay indoors for ~2-3 days, I'll be interested to see how large the drop in cases is, if there is one. If there is a substantial drop, it's yet more evidence of what we need to be doing to beat the virus until the vaccine arrives.

The added pressure of lost power and going to warming shelters, hotels, a friend or family member's home who has power, all these things risk spread of virus. It's a no-win situation. We lost power and decided to stay put because virus still trumps cold for us, but it may not be that way for others.

Every day there's some new idiotic story of stupidity somewhere. Las night the Dodgers third baseman had an inconclusive test but played anyway. Somewhere between the 2nd and 6th inning, stories vary, his results came back positive and he was removed from the game in the 6th inning. But he came back on the field maskless after the win to celebrate with the team. Hugging, lots of face to face yelling, all the stuff WS winners do. I will never get the level of not caring that's running rampant.

743 new cases today; I suspect not many tests due to the ice storm.

13 more reported deaths.

Hospitalizations 885 (-22).

ICU 305 (+19) which matches the all-time high.

743 new cases today; I suspect not many tests due to the ice storm.

13 more reported deaths.

Hospitalizations 885 (-22).

ICU 305 (+19) which matches the all-time high.

This is the wrong time to be having power outages. Luckily hospitals have backup generators but you can only piggyback so many ventilators before you go to battery pack. As we learned in Katrina, it goes rapidly bad after that.

This is the wrong time to be having power outages. Luckily hospitals have backup generators but you can only piggyback so many ventilators before you go to battery pack. As we learned in Katrina, it goes rapidly bad after that.

Those generators are hooked up to the nat gas infrastructure which is plentiful in OK. They’ll be fine.

Those generators are hooked up to the nat gas infrastructure which is plentiful in OK. They’ll be fine.

Hospitals are also right off the main grid which is prioritized in power restoration efforts.

Last two posts are both true. Also, ventilators are not a big current draw piece of equipment. Powering a bunch of them wouldn't overload just about any system.

New positive daily cases in Stillwater remaining under 10. But Enid where masks are not required is trying to close the gap with Stillwater. If Enid surpasses Stillwater in positive cases, I think it will be a good victory for mandatory city mask ordinances.

I get what you’re saying and agree with you. Why do people get so twisted off of the word “herd immunity” shows up in a post. I never said that I think that is the way forward.

I wear a mask. I believe everyone should be wearing them. We need to shut some things down again. That’s what I was referring to when I mentioned that we need a “cultural shift” to combat this thing.

LOL. If that is your position, why not just state it? Instead, you lead with quasi-denier bull$hit we have heard hundreds of times and make ridiculous claims that are easily refuted. Your brand was that you were some kind of serious data cruncher. Yet, lately you engage in pointless sophistry, neutered by the bizarre pivot that you actually support wearing masks and also advocate for more restrictions. I have no problem if you are disagreeing with a position, but in your recent posts it has become difficult (to say the least) to even understand where you are coming from.

The U.S. had the highest number of cases ever yesterday, over 81,500.

I bet we'll be well over 100K before long.

The U.S. had the highest number of cases ever yesterday, over 81,500.

I bet we'll be well over 100K before long.

I agree. I wonder if we will 'see' the ice storm in the data over the next few weeks.

743 new cases today; I suspect not many tests due to the ice storm.

13 more reported deaths.

Hospitalizations 885 (-22).

ICU 305 (+19) which matches the all-time high.

Had to take someone to Mercy ER room last night The waiting room was full of sick people and the time to even get triaged was about an hour. All rooms were full and the wait for an opening was estimated about 3.5 hours. Was told it was same or worse across the metro. Heaven help you if you have an emergency medical situation, covid related or not.covid has already jammed up the Med system and quickly rising. Our governor has been spineless too long.

Had to take someone to Mercy ER room last night The waiting room was full of sick people and the time to even get triaged was about an hour. All rooms were full and the wait for an opening was estimated about 3.5 hours. Was told it was same or worse across the metro. Heaven help you if you have an emergency medical situation, covid related or not.covid has already jammed up the Med system and quickly rising. Our governor has been spineless too long.

We moved some of the larger limbs in our driveway and as I was jumping around the falling branches all I could think was, "If you twist or break your ankle, what's your plan?"
ERs sound like a mess in the metro.

LOL. If that is your position, why not just state it? Instead, you lead with quasi-denier bull$hit we have heard hundreds of times and make ridiculous claims that are easily refuted. Your brand was that you were some kind of serious data cruncher. Yet, lately you engage in pointless sophistry, neutered by the bizarre pivot that you actually support wearing masks and also advocate for more restrictions. I have no problem if you are disagreeing with a position, but in your recent posts it has become difficult (to say the least) to even understand where you are coming from.

Yes, I am a data cruncher. I love looking at numbers to establish trends and from that, try to come up with predictions for what’s coming. I have been a proponent early on for not relying to heavily on daily rates...especially when every day drew a dramatic reaction from people on this forum (including you, btw) as the numbers came in. Every day was the same thing. Either and over-reaction either way (sky is falling or things aren’t that bad now). Our numbers were crap then. There wasn’t enough testing. The reports were flawed with issues ranging from bad tests, testing bias (only testing those with symptoms), and poor infrastructure. It was what it was. People were working themselves up over bad data, and it’s not worth regularly arguing with you and others on here about it.

I think this virus is bad. Its spreading unrelenting throughout the world. There appears to be no seasonality, and it looks like it may become endemic. It’s all overwhelming. The news is constantly negative, and this year has been an awful drag on everyone’s mental health...mine included.

At the same time, the death rates are falling. Treatments are improving, and there is a potential vaccine on the horizon. For many people in society, you can’t shut your life down. If you take the precautions and reduce your risk as much as you can, there’s nothing wrong with participating in society and your families. I’m sorry if you think everybody needs to live in a bubble, but that’s not going to happen.

That being said, it is obvious that some things need to close for a bit so we can try and get this back under control. Restaurants, bars, churches, and other large social gatherings need to be outside/curbside early to help slow the spread. Outside of that stuff, go live your life man.

LOL. If that is your position, why not just state it? Instead, you lead with quasi-denier bull$hit we have heard hundreds of times and make ridiculous claims that are easily refuted. Your brand was that you were some kind of serious data cruncher. Yet, lately you engage in pointless sophistry, neutered by the bizarre pivot that you actually support wearing masks and also advocate for more restrictions. I have no problem if you are disagreeing with a position, but in your recent posts it has become difficult (to say the least) to even understand where you are coming from.

Also, there is rarely anything in life that is black and white. This is no different. As we learn more through time, it’s ok to pivot to a different line of thinking. That’s how science works. Wear a mask. Social distance. If you are in a low-risk category, go live your life while maintaining the cdc recommendations for social distancing. Unfortunately, things like bars, churches, weddings, etc don’t really allow for social distancing...hence why they need to be shut down for a bit.

We moved some of the larger limbs in our driveway and as I was jumping around the falling branches all I could think was, "If you twist or break your ankle, what's your plan?"
ERs sound like a mess in the metro.

Hopefully people don't go to the ER for a twisted ankle. If it's bad enough, go to a Minor Emergency.

Today's numbers have been delayed.

We moved some of the larger limbs in our driveway and as I was jumping around the falling branches all I could think was, "If you twist or break your ankle, what's your plan?"
ERs sound like a mess in the metro.

Seeing what I did at the ER, I honestly was concerned about getting covid merely by taking someone to the hospital. Lots of people in a relatively confined area while checking in and waiting to be admitted. Chairs fairly close together. Kids running around unmasked. It wasn't good. The secondary effect of covid was on display.

Does anybody know if there are any Oklahoma-specific model predictions for cases for our current wave? I know that these models aren’t perfect, but I’m curious when the experts are thinking that this current wave may peak.

IMO, the COVID modeling has been fairly useless, because it's really tough to model human behavior.

I would say the peak will come sometime after the holidays, like January or February.

1.041 new cases today; 7-day rolling average 1,101. I get the very strong feeling this is just the eye of the hurricane.

20 more reported deaths, 2nd most ever. 7-day rolling average is over 12, an all-time high.

Hospitalizations 874 (-11).

No change for ICU, which remains at the all-time high of 305.

Last two posts are both true. Also, ventilators are not a big current draw piece of equipment. Powering a bunch of them wouldn't overload just about any system.

https://www.kgou.org/post/early-ice-storm-creates-unique-challenges-oklahoma-health-care-providers?fbclid=IwAR3WdzqDcIC8WRPEOI1ibasDGiI2ZL8 EFpbuA9rkriCn99looGmMSLKxgZw

https://www.kgou.org/post/early-ice-storm-creates-unique-challenges-oklahoma-health-care-providers?fbclid=IwAR3WdzqDcIC8WRPEOI1ibasDGiI2ZL8 EFpbuA9rkriCn99looGmMSLKxgZwThat piece is talking about individuals and Dr offices not having any or not having enough generator capacity. Not hospitals, which I'm 99% sure are required to have full capacity generators capable of running 24/7 indefinitely.

The U.S. had the highest number of cases ever yesterday, over 81,500.

I bet we'll be well over 100K before long.

89,940 so far today. 100K once felt inconceivable, now it feels inevitable.

https://coronavirus.health.ok.gov/articles/osdh-announces-updates-daily-covid-19-data-reporting?fbclid=IwAR2b0HZM2fNdpQ6D-BHy3l-VNJGAzk1IRslJQuU4l0d4qajsm9zQEan1lpY

https://coronavirus.health.ok.gov/articles/osdh-announces-updates-daily-covid-19-data-reporting?fbclid=IwAR2b0HZM2fNdpQ6D-BHy3l-VNJGAzk1IRslJQuU4l0d4qajsm9zQEan1lpY

I hope they have hired some competent data managers that can write good code else our daily numbers are going to be jacked up yet again. It’s good that we’re starting to see some modernization in our processes; however, we probably need to revamp all of this from the ground up at this point.

Also, it’s interesting that they’re taking the picu et al and the percent positive data off the daily reports. Those are pretty important stats. As long as they’re included somewhere and it’s updates fairly frequently at least.

1,302 new cases today; 7-day rolling average 1,091.

20 more deaths; 7-day rolling average of over 13 is an all-time high.

Hospitalizations 865 (-9).

ICU 301 (-4).

Another oddity the virus has caused. I think I'm safe to assume that the record setting early voting is because of the virus. But I've seen on FB and heard from a couple people in person that the lines are 2+ hours long. I wasn't in line for 2 hours at my regular voting place (near Rockwell &Hefner) last presidential election at 8:00ish in the morning. So how is early voting any safer than voting Tuesday? I heard on the news this morning that Florida has already had more early votes than the total votes 4 years ago.

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Yeah, my polling place is never that busy, even for the last presidential election.

I kind of like going on the day and in person, which is what I'm planning to do on Tuesday.

I wonder if we see an additional uptick because of voting?

Went and did something Halloween related with the kids last night and was pleasantly surprised how many adults were wearing masks. Actually, the masks are kinda nice because they keep your face warm too.

I wonder if we see an additional uptick because of voting?

Went and did something Halloween related with the kids last night and was pleasantly surprised how many adults were wearing masks. Actually, the masks are kinda nice because they keep your face warm too.
True. The excuse of masks are too hot is out the window for a few months.

I hate to keep harping on things I just don't get but I will anyway. I just listened to a number of commercials on the radio advertising "come out and join us this Halloween weekend for drinks, food, partying, etc". It will never cease to amaze me how much people just don't get it!
Hell, I've been prescribed physical therapy for the EXTREME pain I've been having the past few months. I haven't driven my beloved Miata for months because this seat is kinda hard. and it hurts. I'm nervous about going to the PT center even though I know the PT people from when I had my hips replaced and trust that the center is anal about safety.

I wonder if we see an additional uptick because of voting?

Went and did something Halloween related with the kids last night and was pleasantly surprised how many adults were wearing masks. Actually, the masks are kinda nice because they keep your face warm too.

Semi-related anecdote, we went to the Flaming Lips Hallowe'en show at the Zoo a few years back as Day of the Dead and had to wear long underwear under our costumes, it was so cold. We were amazed at how warm our faces were covered with makeup, had no idea! Don't worry, Bill, the maskholes will find another excuse for not (or improperly) wearing them.

We went from “in these trying times, we are safer together” at the beginning to “screw it, you might as well catch it at Burger King so get your whoppers!”

The U.S. had over 101,000 new cases today.

The way this is ramping up heading into the holidays is very scary.

The U.S. had over 101,000 new cases today.

The way this is ramping up heading into the holidays is very scary.

I was scared back in March, now I'm just numb.

Also, there is rarely anything in life that is black and white. This is no different. As we learn more through time, it’s ok to pivot to a different line of thinking. That’s how science works. Wear a mask. Social distance. If you are in a low-risk category, go live your life while maintaining the cdc recommendations for social distancing. Unfortunately, things like bars, churches, weddings, etc don’t really allow for social distancing...hence why they need to be shut down for a bit.

You are wrong about Churches.

You are wrong about Churches.

Yeah, you’re probably right to some degree. I know our church is trying to do it the right way; however, there are a lot of churches out there not doing it the right way.

Yeah, you’re probably right to some degree. I know our church is trying to do it the right way; however, there are a lot of churches out there not doing it the right way.
The same could be said for all the categories.

Churches are closed rooms and most have pretty poor ventilation, mixing the airborne all around. People are singing, which proves to be especially problematic regarding the expulsion and projection of the virus and breath vapors/particulates. People keep trying to make this a Christian vs heathen issue... it isn’t. It’s just science.

The same could be said for all the categories.

Churches are closed rooms and most have pretty poor ventilation, mixing the airborne all around. People are singing, which proves to be especially problematic regarding the expulsion and projection of the virus and breath vapors/particulates. People keep trying to make this a Christian vs heathen issue... it isn’t. It’s just science.

Yes, this! If bars *and* churches open the *right/scientific* way, fine, enforce the rules 100%, but it's just being done this way - fling the doors open, come one, come all, get drunk, get religion, get COVID-19. And churches should never have been exempted from the rules from the beginning, it's just ignorant and stupid to claim that everybody needs to attend church in-person, screw the rules/mandates.

1,267 new cases today; 7-day rolling average 1,011.

11 additional deaths; 7-day rolling average just over 13, which is an all-time high.

Hospitalizations 852 (-13); all-time high is 956.

ICU 322 (+21), an all-time high.

We al knew things would get worse in the fall and winter but it is absolutely harrowing how quickly those numbers have gone up.

A few weeks ago there were 30 states with an Rt below 1. For the past few days there has been 1 state, Mississippi. Oklahoma has climbed to a tie for the second best Rt in the country with exactly 1.

New Zealand is an island nation that has shut itself off from the world. Hardly an option for the US. Hong Kong might as well be a part of China. Vietnam: you got me there. However, they are also enforcing draconian measures to keep in check.

You guys are missing the point. These countries have it under control and the moment they get lax, covid comes back. We need a vaccine. Without it, we’re screwed for quite a while..

Vietnam actually isnt that strict for the most part because I've bee stuck in Saigon for most of this year. They did do a pretty tight lockdown in part of the country March and most of April. Most places complied with it and all restaurants were take out only or they could seat 3 people inside the restaurant.

Pretty much all bars were closed tòo although some bars did ignore this because they would bribe the police. It was pretty rare though and I only know of a few that did this. People could still go out and do things but there was absolutely no where to go I basically worked online and sat in the park drinking beer and ignoring people shooting up.

There has also been a mask mandate since March but people dont follow it as much now. Maybe 80% of people wear mask. Its not draconian as you think it would be and nothing close to china (a lot of people stayed inside for months). Basically Vietnam didnt trust China and shut down flights right away and they did the same with europe after too many people showed up sick. They are lying about the numberbof deaths but it coudnt be too many because it would be obvious.

So far the had one full lockdown and another partial lockdown in August when most cities closed all bars, massage parlors and karaoke's. They acted quickly because it came from China and a lot of people in Vietnam dont like China so they actually listened to their government.

Most people arent acting like idiots despite the lower levels of hygeine and way fewer resources than most high income countries. Remember when I posted earlier in this thread and a bunch of people brushed off what I had to say. I lived in China for like 5 years and people still brushed off what I said and our leaders willingly chose to let people die. They even encouraged it so no wonder we are in this position.