How many people are just slightly sick that don't get tested cause they don't want that swab shoved up their nose. Hell no for me that looks painful. We are getting closer to herd immunity every day.

Another day, another kublue1 post of absurdity on something that has been clarified repeatedly in this thread. HERD. IMMUNITY. AIN'T. HAPPENING... unless by vaccine.

We are not getting anywhere close to herd immunity. Herd immunity would probably require a couple years of high deaths and then we still might not get it because we're not even sure how long immunity lasts. Herd immunity is either a pipe dream or conspiracy theory, but it ain't happening without a vaccine. Period.

I just have trouble seeing how researchers can analyze non-data. Asymptomatic people that don't get tested don't generate any data so how can that be analyzed? Until we have universal, regular testing for both virus and antibodies we won't have an accurate picture of how many people have or had the virus. And that probably isn't going to happen.

Studies like this are common. You just have to survey a generalizable sample of people on the topic. It's really pretty straightforward.

Studies like this are common. You just have to survey a generalizable sample of people on the topic. It's really pretty straightforward.
Surveying people on a topic yes. I have no problem with that. But analyzing a virus would require actually testing that sizable sample of people that don't otherwise think they need to be tested.

Surveying people on a topic yes. I have no problem with that. But analyzing a virus would require actually testing that sizable sample of people that don't otherwise think they need to be tested.

They could also test a number of untested people to generalize too. It's really silly for us to have a methodological conversations when you can just go read the studies. They've already been done. Again, we already have solid scientific knowledge on this topic. You don't have to make wild guesses.

As a former student of Deacon Grover, this news hit hard. If you were to poll McGuinness graduates on who their favorite teacher was, he would easily be top 2. R.I.P.

Agreed. Also was in the same class as one of his children. This hits the entire McGuinness community hard and I feel for the many years' worth of students that won't get to know him in the future (contrary to what is often said about people who pass away from Covid, Mr. Grover wasn't on his deathbed or anything of the sort - he had many many years in front of him to continue positively affecting peoples' lives). If any "good" comes out of this, hopefully it will encourage people in the McGuinness community that previously didn't take it seriously to change their tune.

Reading the Grover family's Facebook posts over the past few days was heartbreaking and incredibly sad as to how quickly things went from bad to worse and how they tried to get him moved to a hospital with more aggressive treatment options but were apparently hampered by lack of bed availability.

Ts & Ps to the Grover family, who have been an amazing example of extreme grace in an unimaginably tragic experience - an experience that has been and will continue to be experienced by far too many people going forward.

They could also test a number of untested people to generalize too. Exactly what I've said would have to be done. But is this what was done?

Dr. Mike Ryan, director of the WHO’s Health Emergencies Programme says that globally numbers do not represent the real number of infections.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-06/1-in-10-worldwide-may-have-caught-covid-19,-says-who/12733992

Today's numbers have been delayed by tech difficulties.

Agreed. Also was in the same class as one of his children. This hits the entire McGuinness community hard and I feel for the many years' worth of students that won't get to know him in the future (contrary to what is often said about people who pass away from Covid, Mr. Grover wasn't on his deathbed or anything of the sort - he had many many years in front of him to continue positively affecting peoples' lives). If any "good" comes out of this, hopefully it will encourage people in the McGuinness community that previously didn't take it seriously to change their tune.

Reading the Grover family's Facebook posts over the past few days was heartbreaking and incredibly sad as to how quickly things went from bad to worse and how they tried to get him moved to a hospital with more aggressive treatment options but were apparently hampered by lack of bed availability.

Ts & Ps to the Grover family, who have been an amazing example of extreme grace in an unimaginably tragic experience - an experience that has been and will continue to be experienced by far too many people going forward.

So sorry to hear of your loss. No lives are expendable, yet this man touched many people's lives.

I really wish people here would stop getting distracted by bizarre theories and unsupported arguments. Weeding through the back and forth of someone simply shooting from the hip with no basis of support is mentally draining.

For months, we had Covid deniers here who kept saying mindless rubble like "new case counts don't matter." Their claim was that only deaths and hospitalizations matter. Well, so here we are now with record hospitalizations and deaths and where did they go? My guess is they are mining conspiracy sites and propaganda outlets trying to foment a new argument.

I see that "herd immunity" made its way back in the discussion.

Gross.

1,221 new cases today.

7-day rolling average is 1,182, yet another all-time high.


Still waiting on the rest of the daily info.

11 additional deaths reported.

Hospitalizations 781 (+32), an all-time high.

ICU 293 (+4), an all-time high.

217 new cases in OK County.

It’s concerning when you start hearing that a group of leading covid researchers believe that this virus will be endemic and likely never truly go away. In fact, the only virus which we have taken out has been smallpox. All other major pandemic-related viruses are still around. We do get a break with other virus that’s related to seasonality. This virus doesn’t respond to seasons...clearly. That’s really concerning. Even countries that have beat it back have to be diligent as one slip and covid will run rampant again.

It’s especially concerning that our own immunity only lasts 3-4 months, and you’re starting to hear several stories of reinfections where the 2nd round is way worse than the first. This is really concerning as ADE becomes something serious to consider.

Annnnd that feeling of dread is setting back in...

It’s concerning when you start hearing that a group of leading covid researchers believe that this virus will be endemic and likely never truly go away. In fact, the only virus which we have taken out has been smallpox. All other major pandemic-related viruses are still around. We do get a break with other virus that’s related to seasonality. This virus doesn’t respond to seasons...clearly. That’s really concerning. Even countries that have beat it back have to be diligent as one slip and covid will run rampant again.

It’s especially concerning that our own immunity only lasts 3-4 months, and you’re starting to hear several stories of reinfections where the 2nd round is way worse than the first. This is really concerning as ADE becomes something serious to consider.

Annnnd that feeling of dread is setting back in...

The reinfection rates has been seemingly low so far. Still a lot we don't know and researchers will learn more as we go on. These aren't normal times but try to not let that dread get into your head. Hope you stay safe and are doing well.

Even countries that have beat it back have to be diligent as one slip and covid will run rampant again.

This makes Trump's decision to pull out of the WHO all the more self-defeating. As long as the virus exists anywhere in the world it has the capacity to re-emerge as a pandemic worldwide.

The reinfection rates has been seemingly low so far. Still a lot we don't know and researchers will learn more as we go on. These aren't normal times but try to not let that dread get into your head. Hope you stay safe and are doing well.Thankfully the reinfection rate has been very low. But the fact that is seems to exist at all and that many reported reinfections are worse than the first is concerning. And scary. I was pretty much terrified of getting it because of my age and conditions. Then I barely had it. Now I'm pretty much terrified that if I'm one of the unlucky ones it will be bad the second time. I understand the dread setting in.

It’s concerning when you start hearing that a group of leading covid researchers believe that this virus will be endemic and likely never truly go away. In fact, the only virus which we have taken out has been smallpox. All other major pandemic-related viruses are still around. We do get a break with other virus that’s related to seasonality. This virus doesn’t respond to seasons...clearly. That’s really concerning. Even countries that have beat it back have to be diligent as one slip and covid will run rampant again.

It’s especially concerning that our own immunity only lasts 3-4 months, and you’re starting to hear several stories of reinfections where the 2nd round is way worse than the first. This is really concerning as ADE becomes something serious to consider.

Annnnd that feeling of dread is setting back in...

If immunity only lasts three or four months for those that have had it, how will a vaccination last any longer?

If immunity only lasts three or four months for those that have had it, how will a vaccination last any longer?

The proper vaccine can elicit a stronger immune response than our natural reaction especially in the case of boosters.

Even if it doesn’t, I would still get stuck 3-4x’s a year if needed.

Also, some vaccines are being tested as inhaled options through a nebulizer. These could be taken as much as needed. If you could get something like that around the world, we could snuff this thing out. How many years would that take though?

The proper vaccine can elicit a stronger immune response than our natural reaction especially in the case of boosters.

Even if it doesn’t, I would still get stuck 3-4x’s a year if needed.

Also, some vaccines are being tested as inhaled options through a nebulizer. These could be taken as much as needed. If you could get something like that around the world, we could snuff this thing out. How many years would that take though?If I have to I'll just have a standing quarterly appointment with my doctor. No big deal. Just call me pincushion.

The proper vaccine can elicit a stronger immune response than our natural reaction especially in the case of boosters.

Even if it doesn’t, I would still get stuck 3-4x’s a year if needed.

Also, some vaccines are being tested as inhaled options through a nebulizer. These could be taken as much as needed. If you could get something like that around the world, we could snuff this thing out. How many years would that take though?

Probably a lot longer than what has been shown to contain it.

A vaccine will be nice, but we don't have to choose for hundreds of thousands of more people to die from it while we wait.

It's been proven that people in less than good health are hit hardest by COVID-19. If losing weight is needed, do it. Good nutrition not based on junk food is needed. If pre-diabetic, do something about it. If not physically active do something about it. Sitting down all the time isn't being physically active. It's all the more important, if you're past age 65. That's no time to live in the rocking chair.

It's been proven that people in less than good health are hit hardest by COVID-19. If losing weight is needed, do it. Good nutrition not based on junk food is needed. If pre-diabetic, do something about it. If not physically active do something about it. Sitting down all the time isn't being physically active. It's all the more important, if you're past age 65. That's no time to live in the rocking chair.

Yep think I said this a while back. Go to a gym most are 24 hours and not busy at night. You sometimes are the only one there. The weather has been nice last couple weeks go for a walk. If you want to rely on a face mask that is fine but we could be doing other thing to fight this.

If immunity only lasts three or four months for those that have had it, how will a vaccination last any longer?

The people who have gotten reinfected have picked up different strains, but these cases so far appear to be outliers.

Medical scientists have said that even though the immunity may decline after a period of months, it is postulated that t-cells are still there to fight the virus were it to reemerge. One of the hallmarks of COVID-19 is that in some people the body's method of fighting it can go into overdrive, so it's that immune response that can cause damage to organs.

So, the flu has stayed with us forever, but having a vaccine will give us a greater shot at herd immunity. I'm optimistic we will have a vaccine by next summer but who knows?

I'm optimistic that we'll have a vaccine by the end of Q1 2021. It'll probably take until Q2/Q3 2021 for it to be available to anyone other than health care workers and the elderly, though.

The people who have gotten reinfected have picked up different strains, but these cases so far appear to be outliers.

Medical scientists have said that even though the immunity may decline after a period of months, it is postulated that t-cells are still there to fight the virus were it to reemerge. One of the hallmarks of COVID-19 is that in some people the body's method of fighting it can go into overdrive, so it's that immune response that can cause damage to organs.

So, the flu has stayed with us forever, but having a vaccine will give us a greater shot at herd immunity. I'm optimistic we will have a vaccine by next summer but who knows?
My doctor and I discussed the t-cell memory thing. I'm hanging hope on that but also remaining anal about mask wearing and maintaining my stock of wipes, alcohol and hand sanitizer.
And true our only shot at herd immunity is a vaccine. I may by wishful thinking but I'm hoping for the Dec. predictions some are making and also hoping that it's true they are producing it already with confidence that it will be approved.

The U.S. had more than 66,000 new cases yesterday, the highest in almost 3 months.

The all-time high was 79,000 on 7/24.

The U.S. had more than 66,000 new cases yesterday, the highest in almost 3 months.

The all-time high was 79,000 on 7/24.

No way around it, we are in incredibly bad shape heading into the winter. Genuinely worried about what might happen over the next 3 to 5 months.

1,472 new cases today; not quite an all-time high but close.

1,174 7-day rolling average down 8 from yesterday's all-time high.

Hospitalizations 793 (+12), an all-tme high. Reminder that until about 10 days ago our previous high was 663 on 7/28.

11 more reported deaths.

1,472 new cases today; not quite an all-time high but close.

1,174 7-day rolling average down 8 from yesterday's all-time high.

Hospitalizations 793 (+12), an all-tme high.

11 more reported deaths.

I shudder to think how many people are going to be dying over the next few weeks.

I wonder how the "I don't even know anyone that has it" group is doing.

Personally, I knew someone with it back early on in March. But since then, I know over 12 people that had it, including 1 death from it. And I am not talking about "a friend of a friend's uncle" or social media connections. These are people I interact with locally (co-workers, friends, and relatives).

My poor neighbor will never be the same.

I don't see her out walking her little dog as much as I used to, and she's far weaker and has to wear a defibulator.

It's very sad.

I think the number of people that still don't know of anyone that knowingly had it is the biggest problem with trying to get people to take the virus seriously. That and the number of cases with next to no symptoms. Three weeks ago an employee here tested positive and a number of people that work in that area were told to quarantine for 14 days. This brought up discussion here and it was amazing how many people at this point still haven't been touched by the virus in any way. Until then. And that just meant two paid weeks off. No one else tested positive and the original person only had mild symptoms and was back in two weeks also. It's hard to convince people how serious this is when this scenario seems to be the most common case. I wish I had an anxiety for how to get people to take this seriously.

I wonder how the "I don't even know anyone that has it" group is doing.

Personally, I knew someone with it back early on in March. But since then, I know over 12 people that had it, including 1 death from it. And I am not talking about "a friend of a friend's uncle" or social media connections. These are people I interact with locally (co-workers, friends, and relatives).

Weirdly, so far I've been lucky. My mother in law did have it early on but it was fairly low impact for her. Otherwise, my circle and even my company has been pretty unscathed so far.

I think the number of people that still don't know of anyone that knowingly had it is the biggest problem with trying to get people to take the virus seriously. That and the number of cases with next to no symptoms. Three weeks ago an employee here tested positive and a number of people that work in that area were told to quarantine for 14 days. This brought up discussion here and it was amazing how many people at this point still haven't been touched by the virus in any way. Until then. And that just meant two paid weeks off. No one else tested positive and the original person only had mild symptoms and was back in two weeks also. It's hard to convince people how serious this is when this scenario seems to be the most common case. I wish I had an anxiety for how to get people to take this seriously.

If you go back to the April / May period, there were entire counties in this state that hadn't had a positive test result. Then, Reuters I believe had an article on Guymon and how people there hadn't been impacted at all by the virus. Then, like two weeks later, there was a major outbreak. Similar story in Enid, and McCurtain County.

So, for your colleagues yet to be affected, they should consider themselves lucky. But if they are Covid deniers and engaging in unsafe activities, the odds are that it will come in contact with them, and if it does, there is a good chance a lot of them will get very ill.

If you go back to the April / May period, there were entire counties in this state that hadn't had a positive test result. Then, Reuters I believe had an article on Guymon and how people there hadn't been impacted at all by the virus. Then, like two weeks later, there was a major outbreak. Similar story in Enid, and McCurtain County.

So, for your colleagues yet to be affected, they should consider themselves lucky. But if they are Covid deniers and engaging in unsafe activities, the odds are that it will come in contact with them, and if it does, there is a good chance a lot of them will get very ill.True. I don't really know much about anyone here outside of work so I have no idea if they follow precautions or not. I hope they do.

Sitting here in my office I just heard a commercial for the "BIG" gun show at the fairgrounds this weekend. I wonder what percentage of attendees will be wearing masks.

Sitting here in my office I just heard a commercial for the "BIG" gun show at the fairgrounds this weekend. I wonder what percentage of attendees will be wearing masks.

Haven't you heard? Masks are for the weak. *sarcasm*

Haven't you heard? Masks are for the weak. *sarcasm*
Where has that been said?

Where has that been said?

By just about every anti mask group everywhere.

Ugh. Another 72,000 cases today in the U.S.

This is starting to get scary.

Where has that been said?

Is this a serious question? LOL

Watch any Trump rally.

Where has that been said?

Having lived and grown up in rural areas most of my life.... Anywhere there are a lot of oversized pickups with American, or Confederate battle, flags or decals on them.... It's guaranteed if the pickup also has anything referencing the 2nd Amendment, NRA, or a Don't Tread on Me, sticker.

You sit in a rural cafe listening to the conversation and you'll quickly learn that there is nothing that baling wire, duct tape, and a boot up the ass can't fix.

And this is just the obvious place it will be said.... Unfortunately there are people less stereotypical with the same mind set.

Yesterday I drove to KC for a doctor's appointment. Quick up and back and only other stops in small area stores for a few things while I was up there. From that it seems that people were more considerate of social distancing and mask wearing. I saw no one without a mask and people much more aware of keeping 6 ft away from others. Just my limited perspective of stopping in a few small stores. Signs on doors, " DO NOT ENTER WITHOUT MASK"

Colorado's toughening covid requirements again. Denver just started requiring anyone in an outdoor public place to wear one. Other counties have moved bar/restaurant closings to an earlier time of 10pm.

1,195 new cases today.

7-day rolling average 1,126, down slightly from recent all-time highs

195 new cases in OK County.

14 additional reported deaths which are ramping up; 10.4 7-day rolling average is an all-time high.

Is this officially considered the second wave or did the first never end? Most cold and flu viruses get worse during fall winter months so is there any correlation there with the recent alarming rise in cases?

Is this officially considered the second wave or did the first never end? Most cold and flu viruses get worse during fall winter months so is there any correlation there with the recent alarming rise in cases?

Things sloped down for a while but we are now setting records all over the place.

I'm sure the rise is mainly due to things like schools reopening, bars at full capacity and lots of people going to football games.

We haven't even hit cold & flu season. It's going to get much worse in the coming months.

I wonder if they will end up shutting everything down again.

"Londoners are now banned from mixing with other households indoors, while people in Paris and eight other French cities are confined to home bet
ween 9 p.m. and 6 a.m. for four weeks."

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-10-16/london-and-paris-steel-for-curbs-to-check-spreading-virus?__twitter_impression=true

They’ve been saying that a lot of the spread had been from small family gatherings indoors. More people are wearing masks in public places but they let their guard down when they’re inside with close family members, who can just as easily give the virus to them. I worry about people having family gatherings for the holidays that are coming up.

You can pretty much guarantee that the holidays are going to be an absolute disaster.

Flu season should (hopefully) pretty mild, given the lack of travel between here and the tropics and their own low flu season.

https://www.livescience.com/flu-season-mild-covid-19-precautions.html

Flu season should (hopefully) pretty mild, given the lack of travel between here and the tropics and their own low flu season.

https://www.livescience.com/flu-season-mild-covid-19-precautions.html

Yes I seen a report that early numbers are in for the seasonal flu and so far the numbers are way down over normal.

Anecdotally, a friend mentioned that even previously vigilant places, such as Cafe Cuvee, seem to be packing them in more than they were. I guess they had a wedding party for lunch.

I really want these restaurants to do well, but I'm disappointed when I hear stories like this, because it further delays my return to restaurants. I will just continue cooking at home.

I've also noticed that places like Crest Foods on 23rd, which did a lot better after the mask mandate went into effect, have seemingly stopped even the appearance of enforcing it. You know it's gotten bad when even the store manager isn't wearing a mask as well as several employees.

People have decided, "I'm over it," and they are "getting back to their lives" (read: not wearing a ****ing mask and gathering wherever the hell they want, shoulder to shoulder, in whatever quantities they want) .

Meanwhile, aside from some lip service here and there, our leaders, from the city level to Stitt to Trump, just shrug their shoulders and watch the train wreck.

Yes I seen a report that early numbers are in for the seasonal flu and so far the numbers are way down over normal.I hope so. I got my shot.
Everyone wear your masks, keep your distance and get a friggen flu shot!!!!!

Anecdotally, a friend mentioned that even previously vigilant places, such as Cafe Cuvee, seem to be packing them in more than they were. I guess they had a wedding party for lunch.

I really want these restaurants to do well, but I'm disappointed when I hear stories like this, because it further delays my return to restaurants. I will just continue cooking at home.

I've also noticed that places like Crest Foods on 23rd, which did a lot better after the mask mandate went into effect, have seemingly stopped even the appearance of enforcing it. You know it's gotten bad when even the store manager isn't wearing a mask as well as several employees.

People have decided, "I'm over it," and they are "getting back to their lives" (read: not wearing a ****ing mask and gathering wherever the hell they want, shoulder to shoulder, in whatever quantities they want) .

Meanwhile, aside from some lip service here and there, our leaders, from the city level to Stitt to Trump, just shrug their shoulders and watch the train wreck.

You should report that Crest to the Action Line.

You should report that Crest to the Action Line.

Will do. Thanks.

They’ve been saying that a lot of the spread had been from small family gatherings indoors. More people are wearing masks in public places but they let their guard down when they’re inside with close family members, who can just as easily give the virus to them. I worry about people having family gatherings for the holidays that are coming up.

Family gatherings are important and part of our culture. Whenever we gather we take proper precautions given the nature of the virus.

If family gatherings have much to do with the spread, the coming holidays are going to be a big problem.

The problem is that families usually don’t wear masks when together. But if you have 5 separate parts of the family meeting up, and one of them doesn’t follow precautions every day, then all the precautions everybody else has taken are worthless at that point.

Your quarantine circle isn’t just everybody in your own circle, it’s everybody in the circles of everybody in your circle.

796 new cases today; 7-day rolling average is 1,130.

3 additional reported deaths.