Edmond just extended their mask mandate. I used to be against masks but once I looked at the data it was undisputed that masks help stop the spread. I’m arguing with several people at once on Facebook that don’t want to wear a mask and what I’m saying doesn’t seem to be working. Sad. I hope these folks wear masks in public even though they claim they won’t.

For the first time in its 208-year history, the New England Journal of Medicine has published an editorial about elections. The title of the editorial is "Dying in a Leadership Vacuum" and it's worth the time to read. The magnitude of the US's failure to effectively respond to COVID-19 when compared with other nations (including other advanced democracies) is truly staggering.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2029812?query=featured_home

For the first time in its 208-year history, the New England Journal of Medicine has published an editorial about elections. The title of the editorial is "Dying in a Leadership Vacuum" and it's worth the time to read. The magnitude of the US's failure to effectively respond to COVID-19 when compared with other nations (including other advanced democracies) is truly staggering.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2029812?query=featured_home

Interesting read, not too surprising. Not mentioned in the article was how the travel ban from China started on Jan. 31 allowed for many exceptions. It's believed the source for covid infections in New York City came from Europe, but travel restrictions from Europe didn't start until mid March and didn't even include UK.

Interesting read, not too surprising. Not mentioned in the article was how the travel ban from China started on Jan. 31 allowed for many exceptions. It's believed the source for covid infections in New York City came from Europe, but travel restrictions from Europe didn't start until mid March and didn't even include UK.

It seems to me that any time a Virus like this is detected anywhere in the World that every Country should shut travel down instantly and get a handle on the spread. If China would have been upfront this would prob. have been isolated early on and we wouldn't be talking about it today.

Numbers are delayed today due to 'technical difficulties'.

1,212 new cases today; 7-day rolling average now 1,028.

Hospitalizations went down by 41 to 697.

252 in the ICU, down 6.

10 additional deaths.

It seems to me that any time a Virus like this is detected anywhere in the World that every Country should shut travel down instantly and get a handle on the spread. If China would have been upfront this would prob. have been isolated early on and we wouldn't be talking about it today.
The first confirmed case in Oklahoma, was in Tulsa, from someone returning from Italy.

Ouch, new record high hospitalizations of covid -19 749 as of tonight. Not good.

Also Edmond has 466 active cases today.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/chile-scientists-study-potential-coronavirus-193817965.html

Nothing like a new virus mutation from the far reaches of the planet to inspire confidence heading into the winter...

I wonder how many zombie movies have started this way??

The U.S. had over 56,000 new cases yesterday, the highest in almost 2 months.

Things are headed in a very bad direction and it hasn't even turned cold yet.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/chile-scientists-study-potential-coronavirus-193817965.html

Nothing like a new virus mutation from the far reaches of the planet to inspire confidence heading into the winter...

I wonder how many zombie movies have started this way??

From that article:

Navarrete acknowledged similar mutations had been observed elsewhere, but he said the relative isolation and harsh climate of the famously cold and windy Magallanes region may have exaggerated its impacts.

"Some of these variables such as cold, wind, are associated with a higher rate of spread in the world," Navarrete said.


The U.S. had over 56,000 new cases yesterday, the highest in almost 2 months.

Things are headed in a very bad direction and it hasn't even turned cold yet.

Indeed.

just looking at the White House debacle, one wonders if we are looking at a strain that is even more contagious.

just looking at the White House debacle, one wonders if we are looking at a strain that is even more contagious.

They took almost zero precautions and in fact held numerous, large events.

That alone explains the spread in the White House.

They took almost zero precautions and in fact held numerous, large events.

That alone explains the spread in the White House.
Plus not having any idea how really large the number is of asymptomatic, contagious people there are out running around. And they have no idea they're contagious.

Everyone should be taking precautions all the time.

1,524 (!!) new cases today, smashing the previous all-time high.

Roling 7-day average now 1,076.

749 (+52) hospitalizations, yet another all-time high and a big jump for one day.

265 (+13) in the ICU.

6 additional deaths.

249 new cases in OK County.

wow... that is not good news.

1,524 (!!) new cases today, smashing the previous all-time high.

Roling 7-day average now 1,076.

749 (+52) hospitalizations, yet another all-time high and a big jump for one day.

265 (+13) in the ICU.

6 additional deaths.

249 new cases in OK County.

Heckuva job Stittsy

Wonder when they are going or if they are going to close the schools down again.

I know it's east to blame Stitt and other leaders. However, OKC, Edmond, and others all have mask mandates in businesses. Half of the people who go into those businesses don't wear masks. Almost 97% of those business don't have the balls to say anything about it, so people just keep not wearing them. It's sad that all of this is political.

I know it's east to blame Stitt and other leaders. However, OKC,Edmond, and others all have mask mandates in businesses. Half of the people who go into those businesses don't wear maskes. Almost 97% of those business don't have the balls to say anything about it, so poeple just keep not wearing them. It's sad that all of this is political.

The reason that people don't wear masks despite the mandate is 100% down to political leaders who constantly undermine through their own actions and words, contradict health experts, and use ridiculous propaganda to create the false illusion that things aren't as serious as they are.

1,524 (!!) new cases today, smashing the previous all-time high.

Roling 7-day average now 1,076.

749 (+52) hospitalizations, yet another all-time high and a big jump for one day.

265 (+13) in the ICU.

6 additional deaths.

249 new cases in OK County.

Saw a social media post saying a Covid positive family member was unable to be admitted to Integris SW due to lack of capacity, reported no beds at OU, sent to ...Enid?
If true, that is the most sobering thought. Usually we see transfers out of rural to higher level care, not the opposite.

Agree Pete, maybe people should just stop watching at that crap. I just think there is a chunk of the population who don't want to wear one no matter what anyone says.

The reason that people don't wear masks despite the mandate is 100% down to political leaders who constantly undermine through their own actions and words, contradict health experts, and use ridiculous propaganda to create the false illusion that things aren't as serious as they are.

Just an anecdote, but I was in Shreveport for a wedding back in August and was told specifically by the groom (whom I'd met once before) to "take my mask off, we don't wear those around here". By no surprise, I contracted COVID from that weekend. This has been so politicized, people are choosing to wear one based off of political affiliation in some cases vs. listening to the facts.

Agree Pete, maybe people should just stop watching at that crap. I just think there is a chunk of the population who don't want to wear one no matter what anyone says.

But they came to that decision based on months of this nonsense.

There have been plenty of examples in our past where people have rallied for a clear, common cause.

Anything that involves people being indoors and in close proximity to each other for 15+ minutes is just asking for a bad time. I would bet money that the majority of community transmission in Oklahoma is coming from private gatherings, as well as a few businesses that fit that criteria such as indoor dining and bars.

We're heading for another shutdown...

Anything that involves people being indoors and in close proximity to each other for 15+ minutes is just asking for a bad time. I would bet money that the majority of community transmission in Oklahoma is coming from private gatherings, as well as a few businesses that fit that criteria such as indoor dining and bars.

And churches, weddings and schools.

But they came to that decision based on months of this nonsense.

There have been plenty of examples in our past where people have rallied for a clear, common cause.
It's sad that the non rallying behind this is political and/or "it violates my rights". In that respect rallying behind 9-11 or the Murrah bombing didn't require wearing a mask which so many find so frigging intrusive. Rallying behind those events only took lip service, donating to some group or volunteering in some way.

Or it's simply a matter of something coming up now to show just how disconnected and apathetic our society has become since we all rallied after 9/11. If that's the case I'm actually kinda glad I'm on the downhill side of my time here on earth.

And churches, weddings and schools.

True.
Schools have proven distance learning can be done. Yeah, it's socially different for the kids and they need interaction. But this is a whole new situation.
I love our church but I get ticked every week seeing the lack of precautions when we watched online. And every week they add back some program that had been shut down.
We love in such an impatient world.

It amazes me that parents in Edmond and Deer Creek are still pushing for 5 day a week in person classes with these numbers. Also lets look at the huge spikes in Europe and we can see where we are headed even before flu season. Its just not good. I'm going to cut way back on my trips to town. I try to only shop for needs not wants. Ie groceries and items at the hardware store. (instead of Walmart) I maybe be headed to every 2 or 3 week shopping trips.

Or it's simply a matter of something coming up now to show just how disconnected and apathetic our society has become since we all rallied after 9/11. If that's the case I'm actually kinda glad I'm on the downhill side of my time here on earth.

Our society hasn't just randomly 'become' disconnected and highly polarized.

We all know exactly what happened to cause this.


There was no political party lying about 9/11 or telling people it was no big deal or contradicting logical and expert-driven information.

Just saw this on a bass players forum. I like it!
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True.
Schools have proven distance learning can be done. Yeah, it's socially different for the kids and they need interaction. But this is a whole new situation.
I love our church but I get ticked every week seeing the lack of precautions when we watched online. And every week they add back some program that had been shut down.
We love in such an impatient world.

One small bright spot. Schools have shown that "snow days" no longer need to be built into schedule if they can flex to online in bad weather.
The days of listening to the KFOR team read the school closings are a bygone era.

One small bright spot. Schools have shown that "snow days" no longer need to be built into schedule if they can flex to online in bad weather.
The days of listening to the KFOR team read the school closings are a bygone era.I didn't know that about snow days. Makes since though.
I've really wondered about the universities going to online after Thanksgiving. They've also done online so they have systems in place. Why not just transition now? I know it would be disruptive but 2020 has been nothing but disruptive.

One small bright spot. Schools have shown that "snow days" no longer need to be built into schedule if they can flex to online in bad weather.
The days of listening to the KFOR team read the school closings are a bygone era.

well in some cases. for OKC and populated area's maybe.... but online learning was not done well in rural oklahoma were they dont' have high speed internet.

well in some cases. for OKC and populated area's maybe.... but online learning was not done well in rural oklahoma were they dont' have high speed internet.
There are at least two satellite high speed internet services.

There are at least two satellite high speed internet services.

which works great if you are only downloading. but upload speeds for satellite are abysmal. and zoom calls, and other methods for two way video need good upload speeds as well as download.

which works great if you are only downloading. but upload speeds for satellite are abysmal. and zoom calls, and other methods for two way video need good upload speeds as well as download.
OK. I just knew it was available. Slow uploading would affect two way communication like ZOOM.

But if ALL the school systems of every level that could do remote classes would do remote classes it would help ar the situation.

One small bright spot. Schools have shown that "snow days" no longer need to be built into schedule if they can flex to online in bad weather.
The days of listening to the KFOR team read the school closings are a bygone era.

Maybe. I know Oklahoma law requires 1,080 of classroom instruction. I'm not sure how that works with with online learning, especially since they tend to do less hours than they would normally do in the classroom. I have a feeling that requirement is suspended for last year and this year, but for inclement weather there may need to be some changes to the state statutes.

Maybe. I know Oklahoma law requires 1,080 of classroom instruction. I'm not sure how that works with with online learning, especially since they tend to do less hours than they would normally do in the classroom. I have a feeling that requirement is suspended for last year and this year, but for inclement weather there may need to be some changes to the state statutes.Just one of many rules that need to be flexible in these types of situations. And while students may have fewer hours in remote learning I have a niece that's a 4th grade teacher that has been assigned the task of remote learning for her school and she's putting in way more hours than if she had kids in school.

It's sad that the non rallying behind this is political and/or "it violates my rights". In that respect rallying behind 9-11 or the Murrah bombing didn't require wearing a mask which so many find so frigging intrusive. Rallying behind those events only took lip service, donating to some group or volunteering in some way.

Maybe we're missing an opportunity here.

Since we have a significant amount of people who do not care if they get the virus, or maybe even think getting it is a "blessing", we should allow the pharmaceutical companies that are working on a vaccine to conduct human challenge trials. They could recruit from this pool of people that don't think it's a big deal or think it won't harm them. Give the vaccine to half of them, line them all up, expose them to the virus, and see who gets it. Pay them some money for their efforts and maybe even give out medals if it works.

We wouldn't need millions of dollars, months of observation, or even the 30-45k people the current phase III trials require to determine efficacy. A couple thousand people, maybe half a million for administrative costs and compensation, and they'd know in about 10 days if the vaccine works.

Warp speed.

Just one of many rules that need to be flexible in these types of situations. And while students may have fewer hours in remote learning I have a niece that's a 4th grade teacher that has been assigned the task of remote learning for her school and she's putting in way more hours than if she had kids in school.

Oh, I'm sure. My mother teaches 5th grade and while she's unfortunately back in the classroom right now, the amount of work she had to put in during while remote was ridiculous. Unfortunately, the statutory hours requirements has little to do with teacher time.

Trump is planning another superspreader event at the White House tomorrow.

Maybe we're missing an opportunity here.

Since we have a significant amount of people who do not care if they get the virus, or maybe even think getting it is a "blessing", we should allow the pharmaceutical companies that are working on a vaccine to conduct human challenge trials. They could recruit from this pool of people that don't think it's a big deal or think it won't harm them. Give the vaccine to half of them, line them all up, expose them to the virus, and see who gets it. Pay them some money for their efforts and maybe even give out medals if it works.

We wouldn't need millions of dollars, months of observation, or even the 30-45k people the current phase III trials require to determine efficacy. A couple thousand people, maybe half a million for administrative costs and compensation, and they'd know in about 10 days if the vaccine works.

Warp speed.

Perfect idea, except dollars-to-doughnuts this is the same group of people that is least likely to want to get vaccinated once one is available lmao.

Trump is planning another superspreader event at the White House tomorrow.
Sad. And again at the risk of going too policy. We really need a "None of the above" box on the ballot.

Oh, I'm sure. My mother teaches 5th grade and while she's unfortunately back in the classroom right now, the amount of work she had to put in during while remote was ridiculous. Unfortunately, the statutory hours requirements has little to do with teacher time.I understand. But this is a good time to change statutes.

Sad. And again at the risk of going too policy. We really need a "None of the above" box on the ballot.

Saw this sign in a yard on the way to the Plaza District a week or so ago.

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OKC teacher dies after contracting COVID-19 (https://oklahoman.com/article/5673572/okc-teacher-dies-after-contracting-covid-19)

Sad. And again at the risk of going too policy. We really need a "None of the above" box on the ballot.

Nevada actually has that. But if it wins, it's disregarded and the actual candidate with the most votes still wins.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/None_of_These_Candidates

Saw this sign in a yard on the way to the Plaza District a week or so ago.

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I like it. And it eliminates everyone running.

OKC teacher dies after contracting COVID-19 (https://oklahoman.com/article/5673572/okc-teacher-dies-after-contracting-covid-19)
OMG. So sad. And probably avoidable.

Nevada actually has that. But if it wins, it's disregarded and the actual candidate with the most votes still wins.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/None_of_These_Candidates
Yeah. So it's more of a voting for the most popular and not a true none of the above. I'm tempted to vote for Kanye since I understand he pulled out too late to not be on the ballot.

It amazes me that parents in Edmond and Deer Creek are still pushing for 5 day a week in person classes with these numbers. Also lets look at the huge spikes in Europe and we can see where we are headed even before flu season. Its just not good. I'm going to cut way back on my trips to town. I try to only shop for needs not wants. Ie groceries and items at the hardware store. (instead of Walmart) I maybe be headed to every 2 or 3 week shopping trips.

The Deer Creek group is pretty tiny, maybe 20 families, and is running out of steam.

Yeah. So it's more of a voting for the most popular and not a true none of the above. I'm tempted to vote for Kanye since I understand he pulled out too late to not be on the ballot.

My mail in ballot came in the other day. Kanye is on the ballot. Electoral results aside, I can only hope the internet learned their lesson about meme voting.

That record lasted a whole day...

Yep, 1,533 new cases reported today, another record.

And yesterday the U.S. topped 60,000 cases for the first time in quite a while.


This winter is going to be brutual.

Stillwater had its 6th COVID-19 death. It happened to a 39 year old man with a prior serious condition: https://www.stwnewspress.com/covid-19/stillwater-report-la-sexta-muerte-por-covid-19/article_a05410de-0b3d-11eb-8cb4-9b6a306fc350.html

This article is frightening to read. I wonder if lot more people need to know there is no guarantee that their COVID-19 case will be no worse than Gov. Stitt's, where you'll just be mildly ill for a few days and then you're right back at 100%.
https://www.aol.com/article/lifestyle/2020/08/27/just-not-myself-5-covid-19-survivors-detail-mental-health-struggles/24601851/?utm_source=spotim&utm_medium=spotim_recirculation

There's no rhyme or reason to who it affects and how severely. One of the toughest guys I know at work, in his 30's got it and thought he was going to die. It's a real gamble.