Had to drive to DFW Saturday Morning -- I though of going to Buc-ee's, but opted not to as I was already stopping in Denton for a charge on University Drive. When I got home I found this:

UPDATE: Pro-Trump supporter arrested after he punches man in the face at Buc-ee’s

https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2020/10/04/video-police-investigating-after-pro-trump-supporter-allegedly-punches-man-in-the-face-at-buc-ees/

FYI. He was arrested and charged.

this is not statistically correct

LOL, engage your brain. I posted no statistic.

I feel like this world is becoming more and more unstable by the day. It would be nice to have a piece of secluded land somewhere to get away from this nonsense.

I can verify that it is very nice indeed. Glad I started working on making it mostly self-sufficient over the last couple of years too.

1,364 new cases today; 2nd highest ever. 7-day rolling average now 1,018.

699 hospitalized, an all-time record (36 more than 7/28).

11 additional reported deaths.

167 new cases in OK County.

Hospitalizations number is really scary.

Hospitalizations and deaths are lagging indicators.

As positive cases go up, so do those two categories about 2-4 weeks later.


We are in serious trouble heading into cold and flu season, not just in Oklahoma but nationwide.

U.S. cases have been up around 50,000 / day and seem to be rising.


The experts have been saying all the way along we cannot be at a high baseline heading into the fall and winter. And we are really worse off that anyone feared.

These are the points I've been making repeatedly and the reason I am so impatient with the constant attempts to minimize what is going on.

It's no time to get complacent about the threat of COVID-19, especially around family, as this article attests: https://www.stwnewspress.com/news/local_news/quarantine-diary-what-happens-when-youre-exposed-to-covid-19/article_47061d3c-f1c5-584c-9cda-bd0571fb6885.html I believe the media needs to come out with more articles like this how unpleasantly the virus affects people.

It's no time to get complacent about the threat of COVID-19, especially around family, as this article attests: https://www.stwnewspress.com/news/local_news/quarantine-diary-what-happens-when-youre-exposed-to-covid-19/article_47061d3c-f1c5-584c-9cda-bd0571fb6885.html I believe the media needs to come out with more articles like this how unpleasantly the virus affects people.
Seems to me the media isn't talking a lot lately about COVID except about in person vs remote school and they seem to lean stories toward in person which I don't get. Or that the POTUS had a pretty mild case.
I didn't become complacent even after testing positive for antibodies. Now that i'm negative for them I'm as nervous as ever. I've been told I could see mom but I don't want to risk going in a nursing home when I've been working and doing our shopping this whole time. Same applies with my 11/2 year old grandson which I haven't seen since February and my 3 month old granddaughter which I haven't seen at all. I want this damn thing over with and the only way that's going to happen is not becoming complacent.

It's no time to get complacent about the threat of COVID-19, especially around family, as this article attests: https://www.stwnewspress.com/news/local_news/quarantine-diary-what-happens-when-youre-exposed-to-covid-19/article_47061d3c-f1c5-584c-9cda-bd0571fb6885.html I believe the media needs to come out with more articles like this how unpleasantly the virus affects people.

The Media already does a good enough job of putting the fear of god in people. Bottom line is we are a unhealthy country. We are more worried about who is wearing a mask and who isn't wearing a mask instead of worrying about getting healthy and what we are putting into our bodies. Sure Donald Trump got special treatment that no one will get but you know what he is also fairly heathy. He plays golf and stays busy. Instead of closing gyms we should be telling people to go to the gym or do some form of exercise

99.9% of the problem is that leadership keeps telling people not to wear masks and to not take this seriously and even consistently lies about the entire situation.

There is no public policy or information campaign that can counteract that. Period.

99.9% of the problem is that leadership keeps telling people not to wear masks and to not take this seriously and even consistently lies about the entire situation.

There is no public policy or information campaign that can counteract that. Period.

who is saying not to wear masks? and don't take this seriously??

The Media already does a good enough job of putting the fear of god in people. Bottom line is we are a unhealthy country. We are more worried about who is wearing a mask and who isn't wearing a mask instead of worrying about getting healthy and what we are putting into our bodies. Sure Donald Trump got special treatment that no one will get but you know what he is also fairly heathy. He plays golf and stays busy. Instead of closing gyms we should be telling people to go to the gym or do some form of exercise

Whether you're intending it or not this is the same logic that anti mask folks were using when protesting the city council or trying to to recall the Norman mayor and council. Why not just say that folks need to get more sun and take zinc and not worry about masks or social distancing? This type of thinking is dangerous and it's why we're this many months in and still not making progress.

The Media already does a good enough job of putting the fear of god in people. Bottom line is we are a unhealthy country. We are more worried about who is wearing a mask and who isn't wearing a mask instead of worrying about getting healthy and what we are putting into our bodies. Sure Donald Trump got special treatment that no one will get but you know what he is also fairly heathy. He plays golf and stays busy. Instead of closing gyms we should be telling people to go to the gym or do some form of exercise
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Can't reply to this w/o getting "political".
You made some factual errors is about all I will say.

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The Media already does a good enough job of putting the fear of god in people. Bottom line is we are a unhealthy country. We are more worried about who is wearing a mask and who isn't wearing a mask instead of worrying about getting healthy and what we are putting into our bodies. Sure Donald Trump got special treatment that no one will get but you know what he is also fairly heathy. He plays golf and stays busy. Instead of closing gyms we should be telling people to go to the gym or do some form of exercise

Trump is morbidly obese. He is not be any stretch of the imagination, "healthy." He was also given doses of experimental drugs. His diet of choice is hamburgers (not that there's anything wrong with that).

Regarding the bolded portion, this is the dumbest comment I've read here in some time. The precise reason people are instructed to wear masks is BECAUSE we are unhealthy. Probably half of the country has pre-existing conditions, making them susceptible to the virus. Obesity is among the worst of those pre-existing conditions that lead to complications from COVID-19 among people of any age.

It should also come as no surprise to you, if you have been paying attention, that healthy people get sick from this as well.

Our gyms are not closed, and serve as vibrant sources of community spread. You literally aren't addressing the current reality. And, even if gyms were to be closed, as they probably should be given the fact we know this virus is aggressively spread through the air in indoor environments, there are multiple forms of exercise people can engage in that do not involve visiting a gym.

OU & OSU are going to on-line only classes after Thanksgiving.

OU & OSU are going to on-line only classes after Thanksgiving.

It makes sense, you would just have a repeat of the same problem you had at the beginning of the semester: people going all over the country to mix exposures and then returning to the campus. The same problem will still be there in January though.

OU & OSU are going to on-line only classes after Thanksgiving.

For OSU this isn't new. This has been the plan all semester. Was OU not planning on going online after Thanksgiving? Those two weeks are hell week and then finals anyways, so it's not like most students will be having much in the way of classes.

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The way this thing is going, no way they are going back to in-person in January.

I bet they'll be on-line the rest of the school year.

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The way this thing is going, no way they are going back to in-person in January.

I bet they'll be on-line the rest of the school year.

The article I read said that the Spring Break holiday for both schools is cancelled and the semester will end when Spring Break will normally starts. But as you said, at this rate I'd be surprised if they don't come back at all in person.

who is saying not to wear masks? and don't take this seriously??

Really man? LOL

But Sweeden...

Trump is morbidly obese. He is not be any stretch of the imagination, "healthy." He was also given doses of experimental drugs. His diet of choice is hamburgers (not that there's anything wrong with that).

Regarding the bolded portion, this is the dumbest comment I've read here in some time. The precise reason people are instructed to wear masks is BECAUSE we are unhealthy. Probably half of the country has pre-existing conditions, making them susceptible to the virus. Obesity is among the worst of those pre-existing conditions that lead to complications from COVID-19 among people of any age.

It should also come as no surprise to you, if you have been paying attention, that healthy people get sick from this as well.

Our gyms are not closed, and serve as vibrant sources of community spread. You literally aren't addressing the current reality. And, even if gyms were to be closed, as they probably should be given the fact we know this virus is aggressively spread through the air in indoor environments, there are multiple forms of exercise people can engage in that do not involve visiting a gym.

First off he is not Morblidly Obese and does play golf and gets exercise. Get your fact right before you comment https://www.statesman.com/news/20200520/fact-check-is-donald-trump-lsquomorbidly-obesersquo

Second we are a very unhealthy country. Once again get your facts straight 2017 we were top 10 https://www.ajc.com/news/world/the-the-unhealthiest-country-the-world/COrmAHcbJ19vswVJg5UXsJ/ https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-us-is-the-most-obese-nation-in-the-world-just-ahead-of-mexico-2017-05-19 So maybe as a country we should be trying to fix this?

Healthy people are getting it how many of those are dying though? NBA players? Ncaa players? MLB players? would you like me to go on

Mask have been worn now for a while nation wide and 33 states have an increase and we are setting new records every day for number of cases. Heaven forbit I even suggest that maybe trying to get healthy and go to a gym or do some walking to improve your health as another way to beat this virus. SMH

https://intermountainhealthcare.org/blogs/topics/covid-19/2020/06/want-a-defense-against-covid-19-strengthen-your-immune-system/ Just wear a mask that is all you need to do.

https://intermountainhealthcare.org/blogs/topics/covid-19/2020/06/want-a-defense-against-covid-19-strengthen-your-immune-system/ Just wear a mask that is all you need to do.

No one is saying that. Also, I see that you didn't even bother to address 3/4 of my comment. Whatevs. Go back to your bizarre circular argument which seems to be, "Trump got sick, but he has good doctors and is not morbidly obese, just obese, and is healthy because he swings a golf club. Americans are not healthy, so, they need to get healthy quick! And, all of these people said masks are the only solution but our cases keep going up!" (Failing to mention that states have reopened all businesses and multiple states like Oklahoma have sent kids and teachers back to schools and universities). Uh, yeah, OK man.

Further, it should go without saying that Trump and hardly anyone at that Rose Garden event were wearing masks. So far, at least 14 people who attended that event have the virus now. Had everyone been wearing a mask, outside, the likelihood of spread would have been diminished at least 90 percent. This totally undermines your bizarre comments about masks.

It should be noted that states do not have universal mask wearing, and even in Oklahoma, many school districts aren't even requiring students to wear masks, which is ridiculous.

Sadly TWO Oklahoma City teachers died this week at a school only a mile or so from my home. There are at least four teachers who have died in Oklahoma since school went back in session a little over a month ago. Expect this trend to continue.

First off he is not Morblidly Obese and does play golf and gets exercise.

He does not walk the course, he rides in a golf cart. You can drink a "sixer" while doing this "exercise". He is obese, but not morbidly.
Other activities staying busy are watching tv, and exercising his thumbs on twitter. Providing leadership, formulating a comprehensive plan are not activities he is engaged in.
Get real.

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The way this thing is going, no way they are going back to in-person in January.

I bet they'll be on-line the rest of the school year.Hope so.

He does not walk the course, he rides in a golf cart. You can drink a "sixer" while doing this "exercise". He is obese, but not morbidly.
Other activities staying busy are watching tv, and exercising his thumbs on twitter. Providing leadership, formulating a comprehensive plan are not activities he is engaged in.
Get real.
I played golf almost every weekend with a couple buddies for years. I guarantee we drank twice the calories we burned!! Kinda off topic but I played a charity tournament once and got paired with Uve VonShamann. I drank probably ten times more calories that day than I burned.
Bottle line is that golf is not really much exercise.

I just saw a FB post from a friend in a school group I started a few years ago. She spends a lot of time Grand lake. Apparently there's a BIG festival coming up that they're going to go ahead and have. I just don't get it. Without shutting everything down we could at least cancel events that attract large groups.

Oh hell! This talk about morbid obesity made me research. A BMI of 40 is considered morbidly obese. If what I found for Trumps stats is right he's at 30.5 so he's 30 pounds overweight but a bit below morbidly obese. I however am at 34.6 so I need to kick my diet and exercise up a notch or two.

who is saying not to wear masks? and don't take this seriously??

There are still some doctors around who believe in herd immunity, so that means to them no masks. It's bad enough many more deaths are required, but who knows how extensive the lingering after effects would be after checking negative.

These doctors in their Great Barrington Declaration think everybody can go back to normal, except for higher risk people:

https://gbdeclaration.org/

"Those who are not vulnerable should immediately be allowed to resume life as normal. "

"People who are more at risk may participate if they wish, while society as a whole enjoys the protection conferred upon the vulnerable by those who have built up herd immunity."

738 Covid-19 hospitalizations. All-time high by a wide margin. Flu season not here yet.

Hospitalizations and deaths are lagging indicators.

As positive cases go up, so do those two categories about 2-4 weeks later.


We are in serious trouble heading into cold and flu season, not just in Oklahoma but nationwide.

U.S. cases have been up around 50,000 / day and seem to be rising.


The experts have been saying all the way along we cannot be at a high baseline heading into the fall and winter. And we are really worse off that anyone feared.

These are the points I've been making repeatedly and the reason I am so impatient with the constant attempts to minimize what is going on.

Of all the words you have written on this site, probably none are more important than these.
Thanks for being relentless in a state that has too many putting rightwing conspiracies ahead of science.

738 Covid-19 hospitalizations. All-time high by a wide margin. Flu season not here yet.

And Lance Fry dismissed the hospitalizations yesterday saying we have plenty of capacity. We are only going backwards. Not a great look.

There are still some doctors around who believe in herd immunity, so that means to them no masks. It's bad enough many more deaths are required, but who knows how extensive the lingering after effects would be after checking negative.

These doctors in their Great Barrington Declaration think everybody can go back to normal, except for higher risk people:

https://gbdeclaration.org/

"Those who are not vulnerable should immediately be allowed to resume life as normal. "

"People who are more at risk may participate if they wish, while society as a whole enjoys the protection conferred upon the vulnerable by those who have built up herd immunity."
I don't understand why anyone in the medical profession could believe in herd immunity. Especially when antibodies don't seem to last more than 3 or 4 months. I'm expecting that the vaccine will be an every few months deal until this is over. I know there's t-cell memory but how much can we rely on that.

And Lance Fry dismissed the hospitalizations yesterday saying we have plenty of capacity. We are only going backwards. Not a great look.
I don't know what he's looking at. I've seen at least a couple posts on Oklahoma Source supposedly by nurses, etc. saying they're full and having trouble finding hospitals to transfer to. And as said before we aren't into flu season yet.

Get your flu shot and wear friggin masks.

Because it’s like saying that we don’t have to worry about crime because we have lots of empty police cars sitting in a parking lot.

They ignore the difference between a hypothetical bed, and the actual ability to staff that bed.

1,006 new cases today; 7-day rolling average now 1,022.

738 hospitalizations, +39 and another all-time high.

9 more deaths.

230 new cases in OK County which is one of the higher numbers in the last few weeks.

Gonna be a long and ugly fall and winter here in Okieville.

A new CDC report shows how wearing masks and closing bars dramatically cut the rate of coronavirus infections in Arizona (https://www.businessinsider.com/cdc-wearing-masks-and-closing-bars-helps-stop-covid-2020-10)

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/figures/mm6940e3-F.gif

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This whole thing is really very simple no matter how confused so many want to make it.

And it's basically just following the CDC guidelines, you know the internationally respected experts on disease control who we have in place exactly for this sort of thing.

Yet, we continue phaf around with all this misdirection, minimization and out-right lies and the result is our country is not only the worst by far in handling this, our entire economy and way of life is in serious danger.

It's really unbelievable.

OU & OSU are going to on-line only classes after Thanksgiving.

That has been the UCO plan since IIRC the beginning of the school year.

That has been the UCO plan since IIRC the beginning of the school year.

Same with OSU

That was the weirdest press conference by the Governor. They want to be the first in the nation and pandemic response by building this new lab and have a response team. How about we be first at responding to the current pandemic?

That was the weirdest press conference by the Governor. They want to be the first in the nation and pandemic response by building this new lab and have a response team. How about we be first at responding to the current pandemic?

A diversion from by far the biggest health crisis of our lifetimes.


Remember when New York and New Jersey were the absolute hotbeds of Covid-19 and how it was treated as an all-out emergency? Oklahoma is now equal with NJ on total per capita cases and we are closing in on New York.

#22 among states in per capita cases and climbing rapidly.

That was the weirdest press conference by the Governor. They want to be the first in the nation and pandemic response by building this new lab and have a response team. How about we be first at responding to the current pandemic?

I'm very confused. Are we moving the public health laboratory to Stillwater??

That was the weirdest press conference by the Governor. They want to be the first in the nation and pandemic response by building this new lab and have a response team. How about we be first at responding to the current pandemic?

I mean, yeah, this does nothing to help us with the current pandemic, and this does nothing to improve my opinion of Stitt's handling of the pandemic, but this could still be a good thing and could help us with the next pandemic.

I'm very confused. Are we moving the public health laboratory to Stillwater??

https://okcfox.com/news/local/gov-stitt-announces-first-of-its-kind-oklahoma-pandemic-center

Just seems odd choice to move lab away from urban centers. Bulk of public health testing is STD outbreaks and communicable diseases. Separating the laboratory from the actual health department as well as from an urban core is interesting. And that's a hell of a new commute if you are a lab employee.

Delayed the release of the WH Task Force report until 4pm.
"Report was delayed to give everyone an opportunity to review before posting." -- https://twitter.com/ChrisKPolansky/status/1313903223330287617

I think we are going to see a pretty bad report.

Delayed the release of the WH Task Force report until 4pm.
"Report was delayed to give everyone an opportunity to review before posting." -- https://twitter.com/ChrisKPolansky/status/1313903223330287617

I think we are going to see a pretty bad report.

They are issued to the states on Mondays then not released to the public until Wednesday around noon.

How much time do they need to review (spin)?

Just seems odd choice to move lab away from urban centers. Bulk of public health testing is STD outbreaks and communicable diseases. Separating the laboratory from the actual health department as well as from an urban core is interesting. And that's a hell of a new commute if you are a lab employee.
I don't know what to think about the move so this isn't defending it. But moving to Stillwater would actually put the lab halfway between the two major urban areas give or take. With very easy access to both. Communication within the health department is probably mostly electronic so the lab could be anywhere. Just throwing an idea out there.

Just seems odd choice to move lab away from urban centers. Bulk of public health testing is STD outbreaks and communicable diseases. Separating the laboratory from the actual health department as well as from an urban core is interesting. And that's a hell of a new commute if you are a lab employee.

It surely reflects that Oklahoma Animal Disease Diagnostic Laboratory is a great state asset. It has been around for decades in its own separate building. Stillwater is equidistant from Tulsa and Oklahoma City. Eliminate the long commute by moving to Stillwater.

Annnnd what do we know? It was a bad report!

https://coronavirus.health.ok.gov/sites/g/files/gmc786/f/oklahomawhitehousereport10042020.pdf

Red zone -- "Community transmission has remained high across the state for the past month, with many preventable deaths." -- "Oklahoma is in the red zone for test positivity, indicating a rate at or above 10.1%, with the 5th highest rate in the country."

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Consistently bad for months now.

Yet, we are doing nothing to change and ignoring most of the recommendations.

Governor Stitt's response to the report.

https://i.imgur.com/mFyNCol.png

That statement is one where the Governor refuses to accept responsibility for the conditions the state finds itself in.
Multiple epidemiologists, unqualified Heath Commissioner appointed as well as hiding Dr. Brix and the regularly issued reports from the feds.
His claims of urging "personal responsibility" of the citizens does not excuse his ineptitude or his responsibility as the Chief Executive.

He also cherry-picks one stat that doesn't look terrible, but of course will never mention it again when it inevitably heads south, as he has done with other numbers that he no longer speaks about.

I fear we will continue to have elevated numbers of spread until the branch covidians decide to follow the guidelines on mask usage and congregating in large groups.

I don't need to link it because it's all over the news but Trump released a video that started off by saying getting COVID was "a blessing". DAMN!!!!
It's like we're getting deeper into a really bad episode of the Twilight Zone! Everything is crazy and hopefully without getting too political for this thread I'm really worried about our country for the next 4 or more years.