You know that Trump will be complaining that he can’t be on the campaign trail next week.

I predict he will be back on it in two weeks. It's a good time for him to prove what he was touting as a remedy last spring, Hydroxychloroquine, works.

I predict he will be back on it in two weeks. It's a good time for him to prove what he was touting as a remedy last spring, Hydroxychloroquine, works.

Remember: he took it to "prevent" getting Covid. Clearly that bombed. And, as you have pointed out, he is in the high-risk category and should take better care of himself to avoid exposure.

Hope he didn't infect Joe at the debate. He certainly was spreading lots of droplets into the air for an hour and a half.

I predict he will be back on it in two weeks. It's a good time for him to prove what he was touting as a remedy last spring, Hydroxychloroquine, works.

Except, you know. It doesn’t.

But maybe he’ll practice what he preached and inject disinfection into himself and solve his and all of our problems at once.

You're refusing to look at data and only data. Using data out of context to make the situation look worse than it is misuses data. The situation is bad enough without noting where we rank in new cases based on numbers that are only higher because testing volume has increased. We have only raised to 5th because we are testing more. Would you feel better if we were 25th but still only testing an average of 5000 per day. Then our positives would be around 500 per day and we would be somewhere in the bottom 20. And. Again, I'm just talking new case data and using it to compare to other states or even just to discuss how well or badly we're doing. And please stop bringing up deaths and hospitalizations. I've already conceded that they are very concerning.

Tell all that to the White House task force and every single other body that follows and reports on this.

My question to CM and Bill is: Oklahoma's positive case rate per capita, as Pete reported, is fifth in nation. Are you arguing that we really are not the fifth worst state in the nation in this category?

I really don't understand the preoccupation with the number of tests.

We don't know if we're 5th 50th or where. To accurately rank this they would have to include positive results and testing volume vs capita. They only use positive results which are driven by testing volume.
I don't understand the preoccupation with a daily number that isn't taken in the context of testing volume. My graphs, again using numbers taken directly from the OSDH, show clearly that testing volume is the reason for the past months high positives. It just is.
I'm NOT saying we're getting better or that we are anywhere near control of this virus. Just that the numbers that so many look at as gospel aren't reflective of how we're really doing.

Tell all that to the White House task force and every single other body that follows and reports on this. From what I can tell the Task Force just uses new positive case numbers divided by population. I've clearly shown that the positives are controlled in large part by testing volume.

We don't know if we're 5th 50th or where. To accurately rank this they would have to include positive results and testing volume vs capita. They only use positive results which are driven by testing volume.
I don't understand the preoccupation with a daily number that isn't taken in the context of testing volume. My graphs, again using numbers taken directly from the OSDH, show clearly that testing volume is the reason for the past months high positives. It just is.
I'm NOT saying we're getting better or that we are anywhere near control of this virus. Just that the numbers that so many look at as gospel aren't reflective of how we're really doing.

Aren't there sites (Johns Hopkins, covidtracking.com, etc.) that do put up numbers that are testing volume per capita, and break it down other ways, in addition to that?

Just because you test positive doesn't mean your sick. Test could be picking up Dead virus or such a small load that you are not going to get sick or give it to others. That is is the problem with hanging everything on daily numbers or numbers really in general. How many are going in and out of hospitals and how many are dying. That will tell more of the story.

Aren't there sites (Johns Hopkins, covidtracking.com, etc.) that do put up numbers that are testing volume per capita, and break it down other ways, in addition to that?
Yes. But most people only pay attention to the one basic daily bew positive number that the OSDH posts. It takes time and effort to dig into sites that actually break down data. It's easy to just look at a daily post or some ranking without looking into what went didn't go into calculating that ranking.

1.190 new cases today; 7-day rolling average is 1,006.

623 hospitalizations, +13 from yesterday.

9 additional reported deaths.

129 new cases in OK County, which is the lowest amount in 2 weeks. The county has 20% of the state population but today's # represents only 10.8% of the total cases.

Just because you test positive doesn't mean your sick. Test could be picking up Dead virus or such a small load that you are not going to get sick or give it to others. That is is the problem with hanging everything on daily numbers or numbers really in general. How many are going in and out of hospitals and how many are dying. That will tell more of the story.

What are you talking about? Yes, testing positive for COVID matters because... THAT'S HOW IT SPREADS. You've been posting and reading in this thread for months, but it's like everyday you wake up having not learned a single thing and then posting the first idea that pops in your head.

1.190 new cases today; 7-day rolling average is 1,006.

623 hospitalizations, +13 from yesterday.

9 additional reported deaths.

129 new cases in OK County, which is the lowest amount in 2 weeks. The county has 20% of the state population but today's # represents only 10.8% of the total cases.

Which counties are the "hot spots" right now?

Best poster I've seen about COVID-19 prevention courtesy of Zeynep Tufekci. Click for larger image.

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Just because you test positive doesn't mean your sick. Test could be picking up Dead virus or such a small load that you are not going to get sick or give it to others. That is is the problem with hanging everything on daily numbers or numbers really in general. How many are going in and out of hospitals and how many are dying. That will tell more of the story.

You mean symptomatic. If you test positive, you have the virus. People get the virus but are asymmetric, but they still have the virus.

What are you talking about? Yes, testing positive for COVID matters because... THAT'S HOW IT SPREADS. You've been posting and reading in this thread for months, but it's like everyday you wake up having not learned a single thing and then posting the first idea that pops in your head.

It's not a 100% accurate test. You could be false positive. You could of had covid at one time never tested but now you have to go in and get a test and you test positive but it's picking up dead cells in your body. So why it does matter just because you test positive doesn't mean your a 100% spreader. There are many people out there spreading it that never been tested. That is why the daily numbers are just MEH a number.

Best Covid article I've read in a long while. (0% politics)

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/09/k-overlooked-variable-driving-pandemic/616548/

Very informative and anyone who is interested in the current understanding of the transmission of this virus and what the cumulative data is actually showing us should read it.

It reinforces why large and/or prolonged indoor gatherings, especially unmasked, are not a good idea. The contact tracing data is beginning to show that a few people, maybe even very few, are transmitting it to many people, often in a single event and especially when indoors with others for a period of time.

It's interesting because the concept of "reopening", especially in the US, has really meant reopening bars and indoor dining and allowing larger gatherings. Outside of the most strict "lockdowns" or "shutdowns", a large of amount of retail and even offices remained open, at least partially. But whenever a state or community "reopens", that is, opens bars and restaurants and allows large indoor events, a rise in cases, hospitalizations and deaths follow. This is because these are the places and events where groups of people gather, in close contact, while not wearing masks.

Then there's this study:

You're Most Likely to Get COVID From People This Age, New Study Showsl (https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/youre-most-likely-covid-people-194331659.html)

Spoiler alert:

According to the study, It's from people age 20-45.


Since the pandemic began, there have been endless questions not just about how COVID spreads but about who exactly is spreading it. After all, one of the keys to slowing down coronavirus transmission is knowing where it's coming from. Are you more likely to contract the virus from your kid or a coworker? Now, new research has provided a clearer picture of which age group you're most likely to get COVID from. According to a new study, adults between the ages of 20 and 45 are the primary source of coronavirus spread.

The large contact tracing study involving more than three million people in India was published in the journal Science on Sept. 30. Researchers collected data through Aug. 1 and found that most secondary cases were the result of contact with index cases in people aged 20 to 45.

Non hepa filters rated MERV-13 can catch most viruses, but are more expensive.


It's not a 100% accurate test. You could be false positive. You could of had covid at one time never tested but now you have to go in and get a test and you test positive but it's picking up dead cells in your body. So why it does matter just because you test positive doesn't mean your a 100% spreader. There are many people out there spreading it that never been tested. That is why the daily numbers are just MEH a number.

May be meh to some, but others understand what it means and why it's important. I know there are many still clinging to this outdated and disproved theory that it only looks bad because we are testing, but deaths, hospital stays, and serious side effects keep rising. Those who deny will just keep denying, but it doesn't change reality.

May be meh to some, but others understand what it means and why it's important. I know there are many still clinging to this outdated and disproved theory that it only looks bad because we are testing, but deaths, hospital stays, and serious side effects keep rising. Those who deny will just keep denying, but it doesn't change reality.

I think I said Hospitalization and Deaths were the key numbers. The daily number is MEH a number. I don't think it really tells the whole story.

I think I said Hospitalization and Deaths were the key numbers. The daily number is MEH a number. I don't think it really tells the whole story.

Hospitalizations and deaths are daily numbers.


I say this with all due respect: you need to seriously consider ceasing to post on this thread.

Hospitalizations and deaths are daily numbers.


I say this with all due respect: you need to seriously consider ceasing to post on this thread.

The daily number of positive test really mean much. First they are not really daily some could of gotten tested over a week ago and deaths are not really daily either Are some people not dying weeks ago and then being added? Sorry for having a different point of view as everyone else . Oh and for all you experts explain to me how Hospitalization have gone UP like you people claim in the last 2 months. July 24th 625 in the Hospital. Oct 2 655. How many cases have we had in those 2 1/2 months? If you want to call that UP then go right ahead. More steady and flat in my book.

Heaven for bid we questions the numbers. Everything is prefect. All the test are perfect. The only reason they are in the Hospital is covid. Maybe they went to the Hospital for something else and tested positive for covid while there. OH MY Every think about that. No cause that would be a different point of view which is a no no.

Pretty crazy that trump has Covid. I mean, it’s not unexpected given his lax precautions around people. However, to have the US president come down with this is not good. He’s technically supposed to be one of the most protected people on the planet. Sounds like he is symptomatic too. Not good especially for somebody his age...and physique.

Also, it’s interesting that they gave him an experimental treatment and that they flew him to the hospital as opposed to driving him. The experimental drug is particularly concerning for a US president to be taking.

Trump is at serious risk of dying. I don't believe he will, because he will receive the best medical care of anyone on earth. However, even with all of what he will receive, he could die. I really, really hope he doesn't. I hope he lives. But, I hope he tells the truth, for once, to Americans about how awful this virus is, and I hope that his 39% to 40% of voter admirers listen, because I don't want them to get sick either. And, I want our country to return to some semblance of normal. I don't want our small businesses to die. I want to imagine a future in which I'm participating in our city, state, nation, and world.

This evening, I went to Myriad Gardens with my daughter for a walk. Great weather. I was astonished with the beautiful plantings. I admired our city's skyline. And, I got depressed. Depressed because this **** is getting old. I'm sad for the employees of the airlines who are losing their jobs. I'm sad for the girl at my grocery store who has a young child and is always so nice to me, putting herself at risk of infection every day she goes to work. I'm sad for the people who have lost their jobs, or worry they may soon lose their jobs. So, yes, I had a nice time in a special place in a city I love, and it was great to see people, but I couldn't ignore the fact that our world is stilted until we get this under control.

I'm motherfocking sick of this. We CAN control this.. Seriously, FOCK everyone here arguing stupid metrics, making excuses, and filibustering with specious online sophistry. PLEASE. STOP. I know you're a Lee Greenwood gosh darn AMURICAN, but you are dragging this out and making it worse. PLEASE. STOP.

I hope our president doesn't die, as irresponsible as he is and has been. I want my city back. I want my life back.

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So far the reports I've seen say Trump is only experiencing a fever and some minor breathing issues. If so that's about what I had. And even my lingering effects are fading. I hope and pray that his case goes just like that. And that all the other staff and reporters that are testing positive all come out asymptomatic or only mildly symptomatic with no complications.

If everyone would just distance and wear masks this could be ending.

It seems that symptoms ramp up in the first few days of showing them. Trump has a couple symptoms in the first days. He will be getting the best care in the world; so he will probably be fine. But there is still a chance it turns for the worst.

I agree with SoonerGuru, I hope he takes it seriously after this. Unfortunately, I doubt he will as I'm looking at Stitt's response.

Here's an interesting history of the 1918 flu pandemic in OKC.

https://www.metrolibrary.org/archives/essay/2019/07/spanish-influenza-pandemic-oklahoma-city

1,189 new cases today; 7-day rolling average is 1,034.

7 additional deaths.

Hospitalizations are 655, +32. The all-time high is 663 on 7/28.

161 new cases in OK County.

Just an article to remind why COVID-19 should still be taken seriously, even though President Trump and others did not.

https://www.koco.com/article/expert-looks-at-how-covid-19-problems-can-turn-into-lifelong-chronic-diseases/34230117

1,189 new cases today; 7-day rolling average is 1,034.

7 additional deaths.

Hospitalizations are 655, +32. The all-time high is 663 on 7/28.

161 new cases in OK County.The hospitalizations are very concerning. I wish people would do what we need to do to turn the trend around.

Trump condition said to be "very concerning."

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-virus-outbreak-donald-trump-elections-campaigns-08fcfd3778ca3bbabd011307cf23dc8d

Not surprisingly confusing. This story is about Trump and those "very concerning vitals" in the last 24 hours. Then it goes on to say he was on oxygen, no wait, he was not on oxygen. It also says he has been fever free for 24 hours. And that he's in good spirits. I guess we'll know in a few days.

https://koco.com/article/president-trump-first-lady-melania-test-positive-for-covid-19/34243931?src=app

This shouldn't surprise anyone.

We still don't know the real reason for his emergency hospital trip a couple of years ago.


If he does take a bad turn, there are enough bad leaks that the press will know, one way or another.

The leak came from his chief of staff. The doctors appear to be putting a rosy patina on everything.

Also, they unwittingly admitted he has known he had it since Wednesday, meaning he went to events in multiple states Wednesday and Thursday, exposing hundreds of people, all while knowing he was sick and not wearing a mask.

I'm sure those big-money Republican donors in New Jersey are seething right now.

Went to OUHSC today at 1 PM
They stuck a thing up my nose
Results back at 8 PM
--> Not Detected

Such a relief

Went to OUHSC today at 1 PM
They stuck a thing up my nose
Results back at 8 PM
--> Not Detected


Such a relief

Congrats!

^ ^ Same here.... Not Detected. Had mine done back on 9/3 after a coworker came up positive. We have a wellness clinic coming up on the 15th at work and I going to do it again, along with the flu shot.

Went to OUHSC today at 1 PM
They stuck a thing up my nose
Results back at 8 PM
--> Not Detected

Such a reliefVery good!

569 new cases today. 7-day rolling average is 998.

138 cases in OK County which as a percentage of the state (24%) is the highest in weeks.

1 more reported death.

Have there been any anecdotal improvements in mask wearing since the hospitalization of a certain prominent figure?

OU student passes away from covid
http://www.oudaily.com/news/ou-announces-student-death/article_56e9842e-066a-11eb-948a-1fd360c29e34.html

https://twitter.com/CompassOKC/status/1312805842186629120?s=19

Have there been any anecdotal improvements in mask wearing since the hospitalization of a certain prominent figure?I haven't been out but I would doubt it. He looked fine last night in his video. And I haven't heard anything about Mrs Trump or any of the staff or journalists being symptomatic. If that's the case this could be a big plus for the side of "it's really not that bad". And they don't need any help.

We on the side of "this horrible virus sucks and I want it gone" are the ones that seem to need help convincing everyone to stop the virus.

OU student passes away from covid
http://www.oudaily.com/news/ou-announces-student-death/article_56e9842e-066a-11eb-948a-1fd360c29e34.html


https://twitter.com/CompassOKC/status/1312805842186629120?s=19

That’s too bad about the student. Really sad and truly a statistical anomaly.

Hard to imagine how a young and healthy kid could pass away so quickly. I suspect the lifestyles that fraternity members live would be conducive to high viral loads.

That’s too bad about the student. Really sad and truly a statistical anomaly.

Hard to imagine how a young and healthy kid could pass away so quickly. I suspect the lifestyles that fraternity members live would be conducive to high viral loads.

So tired of this. The reason it is uncommon is because universities closed in March and students were isolated. It will be more common now that school is in-person.

So tired of this. The reason it is uncommon is because universities closed in March and students were isolated. It will be more common now that school is in-person.

this is not statistically correct

this is not statistically correct

It is common sense....a rare commodity with our State and Federal leadership (and a fair number of posters to this thread).

685 new cases today; 7-day rolling average now 970.

3 additional reported deaths.

132 new cases reported in OK County.

Hopefully the start of a trend not a blip in the data

The president tweeted this a bit ago. Pretty much negates any hope that him having the virus would change his outlook on the seriousness of the virus.

"I will be leaving the great Walter Reed Medical Center today at 6:30 P.M. Feeling really good! Don’t be afraid of Covid. Don’t let it dominate your life. We have developed, under the Trump Administration, some really great drugs & knowledge. I feel better than I did 20 years ago!"

The one thing that really doesn't add up is Trump's timeline. From what I read, his symptoms that required oxygen were showing way earlier than you should expect. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that he hadn't actually been testing and could have had COVID for several days earlier than they claimed.

As an anecdote, I live in Denton and almost never go into businesses. However, I have a project I wanted to complete so I ventured to Home Depot and I did not see a single person without a mask inside the store. It was pretty incredible as the store was pretty busy. I may have seen over 100 people. It seems mask mandates do work despite Mayor Holt (how can we enforce it?) and Governor Stitt's (I won't enforce it!) claims.

Even if it's only 90% (which is about as low as anyplace I've seen in way-red Oklahoma) that is still a massive help.

Absolutely absurd to pass the buck with an 'uneforcable' argument and one of the great lies told repeatedly during the pandemic.

As an anecdote, I live in Denton and almost never go into businesses. However, I have a project I wanted to complete so I ventured to Home Depot and I did not see a single person without a mask inside the store. It was pretty incredible as the store was pretty busy. I may have seen over 100 people. It seems mask mandates do work despite Mayor Holt (how can we enforce it?) and Governor Stitt's (I won't enforce it!) claims.Good for Denton! More proof it can be done. HD and Lowe's are the two worst places I have to go. I try to do curbside and not go in but recently they put minimum purchases on curbside and I don't always meet the minimum.

The president tweeted this a bit ago. Pretty much negates any hope that him having the virus would change his outlook on the seriousness of the virus.

"I will be leaving the great Walter Reed Medical Center today at 6:30 P.M. Feeling really good! Don’t be afraid of Covid. Don’t let it dominate your life. We have developed, under the Trump Administration, some really great drugs & knowledge. I feel better than I did 20 years ago!"

Trump's heartless and irresponsible tweet serves as a reminder that we're still living in the Twilight Zone.

As an anecdote, I live in Denton and almost never go into businesses. However, I have a project I wanted to complete so I ventured to Home Depot and I did not see a single person without a mask inside the store. It was pretty incredible as the store was pretty busy. I may have seen over 100 people. It seems mask mandates do work despite Mayor Holt (how can we enforce it?) and Governor Stitt's (I won't enforce it!) claims.

Had to drive to DFW Saturday Morning -- I though of going to Buc-ee's, but opted not to as I was already stopping in Denton for a charge on University Drive. When I got home I found this:

UPDATE: Pro-Trump supporter arrested after he punches man in the face at Buc-ee’s

https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2020/10/04/video-police-investigating-after-pro-trump-supporter-allegedly-punches-man-in-the-face-at-buc-ees/

Had to drive to DFW Saturday Morning -- I though of going to Buc-ee's, but opted not to as I was already stopping in Denton for a charge on University Drive. When I got home I found this:

UPDATE: Pro-Trump supporter arrested after he punches man in the face at Buc-ee’s

https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2020/10/04/video-police-investigating-after-pro-trump-supporter-allegedly-punches-man-in-the-face-at-buc-ees/

I feel like this world is becoming more and more unstable by the day. It would be nice to have a piece of secluded land somewhere to get away from this nonsense.

I feel like this world is becoming more and more unstable by the day. It would be nice to have a piece of secluded land somewhere to get away from this nonsense.I know. It's like everything is just getting out of control crazy.

Good for Denton! More proof it can be done. HD and Lowe's are the two worst places I have to go. I try to do curbside and not go in but recently they put minimum purchases on curbside and I don't always meet the minimum.

Lowe's and HD both have very generous return programs. Perhaps order something small that you don't need to get to the minimum and save the receipts, and then after several trips return the items.

Usually this is the point in the movie where something horrific happens and everyone drops their beef and comes together in unity :)

Usually this is the point in the movie where something horrific happens and everyone drops their beef and comes together in unity :)

Are we waiting for it to rain squid?