For one thing, Florida has had all their bars and clubs completely closed until last Friday.

They also had restrictions on restaurant capacity.

All of this was done statewide, as opposed 'I'll leave it up to the cities but don't think they can enforce anything' attitude here.

When do they open everything back up I thought they did a week or so ago.

I believe SD's governor has been worse than almost any other governor during this pandemic, but I could be wrong. Don't know why ND is so bad, though, haven't heard much/done much research about that state's policies (or apparently, lack thereof).

I would still go with the governor from NY as the worse. I base my evaluation on deaths per million.

#1 NY ---1,828 deaths per 1 million people from the virus

# 37 Oklahoma 257 deaths

#39 South Dakota 252 deaths per 1 million people

The decision by the governors up east to send the infected elderly patients back in to the nursing homes might be the single worst gubernatorial decision in my lifetime. The 2nd worst might be keeping the subway system open in NYC throughout the entire process. If you haven't seen the graph that shows how many of the Covid infections nation wide came from NYC is astounding.

You tell me since your an expert how Florida with the population of 21 million people has less cases than Oklahoma with a population of 4 million people. Social distancing is the best way to stop the spread of the virus doesn't mean you have to close everything down you just need to stay away from people as much as possible. And I don't want to hear about how the Dakota's are spread out and they have social distance they have towns and cities just like we do. If you think paper mask are the only answer your fooling yourself.

According to Apple News, using numbers from the CDC, Florida has 701,000 cases, and over 14,000 deaths, ranked by per capita, as 2 in cases and 11th in deaths. Oklahoma has over 85,000 cases and over 1,000 deaths, ranked 23rd and 38th in deaths. Where do you get your numbers?

I will answer why I think we have more and having an increase. Just because we have cities that are requiring masks and social distancing, it just isn't happening. I can use for example the guy in line behind be at Ace Hardware in Edmond. Refuses to wear a mask. Personal choice, and no one else has to worry about it if they are wearing a mask. Nope that is nope that is not the way it is. I changed parishes, why because even though there is a mandatory rule about wearing them in the Archdiocese, many people there have made the decision not to wear them or social distance. When large groups of people decide it is ok to just get together without masks and socialize be it after church or at friends houses or in stores, restaurants or bars, guess what. No wonder we are having increased numbers. Also i cannot get over how aggressive people in stores are toward others. In Sprouts today, 2 different people about ran me down with their shopping carts. They feel like they can just run around the store and if you are in their way and cannot move out quick enough, too bad. Same in the parking lot. Me with my bad knee was almost run over by a car, too big of rush vs me slow with a bad knee. No consideration for older people. And well its only the older people that get covid 19 and died, not my problem. Well if you are one of the older people it is our problem.

I was talking about Florida numbers today sorry if I didn't specifically say that I think they had I think 756 cases today and Oklahoma had over 1,000. Hard for me to imagine in any scenario that a state with five times the population has less cases

I was talking about Florida numbers today sorry if I didn't specifically say that I think they had I think 756 cases today and Oklahoma had over 1,000. Hard for me to imagine in any scenario that a state with five times the population has less cases

Florida had 3,266 cases today:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Florida had 3,266 cases today:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

And 101 new deaths, compared to 11 in Oklahoma.

Florida had 3,266 cases today:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/health-news-florida/2020-09-28/florida-daily-covid-19-cases-dip-below-1-000 they must of had bad numbers than.

Pandemic fatigue is the real deal. Ugh. Need another vacation.

https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/health-news-florida/2020-09-28/florida-daily-covid-19-cases-dip-below-1-000 they must of had bad numbers than.

Yeah... looks like they had about a third of the normal number of tests...


The state received 18,410 tests Sunday, and of those, 4.23% were positive. Sunday’s test returns were less than half the volume of tests received Saturday and less than a third of the daily average for the last two weeks of just over 64,000 tests.

Pandemic fatigue is the real deal. Ugh. Need another vacation.

If you don't have any other obligations, would recommend driving to the middle of nowhere and going on long hikes on the weekends. Probably has helped my mental health more than anything else over the past six months.

You tell me since your an expert how Florida with the population of 21 million people has less cases than Oklahoma with a population of 4 million people. Social distancing is the best way to stop the spread of the virus doesn't mean you have to close everything down you just need to stay away from people as much as possible. And I don't want to hear about how the Dakota's are spread out and they have social distance they have towns and cities just like we do. If you think paper mask are the only answer your fooling yourself.

I don't know what you're asking here. This reads like nonsense.

Why are you trying to overcomplicate things? No one here that I recall has made the claim that paper masks are the "only answer."

Again, look at what people have done in other countries and even other US states. There are a few things that can be done to get the virus under control but our governor and president aren't interested in doing them.

Hey, Bunty, wondering if you think this is something people other than 65-plus should now be concerned about in Stillwater.

https://www.ocolly.com/news/stillwater-medical-center-reaches-icu-capacity/article_af277340-01b4-11eb-82af-8bd440a5c06e.html

No. Several days ago I went to Insomnia Cookies on the strip with a mask on. I had to wait outside for a short while, because it said on the door no more than three inside at a time. But none of those three inside wore a mask. The last time I was there, everybody had a mask on. So I don't think as big of a majority of people in Stillwater are treating COVID-19 as seriously as they were before.

If it's getting down to the majority of the people not wanting to take COVID-19 seriously, then I say, fine, and so let's get everything back to normal as it was before March. Just let me keep my freedom to continue to wear a mask when in public places and for whoever else still believes the same way. After all, I don't trust very many who test positive to wear one.

https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/health-news-florida/2020-09-28/florida-daily-covid-19-cases-dip-below-1-000 they must of had bad numbers than.You might try going by a rule of not getting news from anyone that has a donate button on their home page.

https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/health-news-florida/2020-09-28/florida-daily-covid-19-cases-dip-below-1-000 they must of had bad numbers than.

Your posts are making less and less sense.

And why on earth are you posting links to tiny, obscure sites using data from one Sunday?

Your posts are making less and less sense.

And why on earth are you posting links to tiny, obscure sites using data from one Sunday?

This parody sums up in a lighthearted way the experts vs random people craziness. It’s 30 seconds. Short. Gets the point across.
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https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=630627110993109

You might try going by a rule of not getting news from anyone that has a donate button on their home page.

So no NPR news? I'm not sure the source was the issue.

So no NPR news? I'm not sure the source was the issue.
Yes. I would include NPR. Since I consider myself apolitical I don't want to hear bias. So I pretty much avoid news altogether and only look at data from the sources that generate the data. I listen to some NPR shows that are more entertainment oriented but I've had to stop listening to their topic shows because most are very biased. Beyond that I'd have to get political which isn't allowed here and I don't do.

980 new cases today; 7-day rolling average now 1,005.

628 hospitalized; this number continues to go up.

13 additional reported deaths.

169 new cases in OK County.

The hospitalizations are concerning.

I definitely don't feel great about these numbers being so high before we get into the fall and winter temperatures where more people are inside and the flu starts going around too.

I definitely don't feel great about these numbers being so high before we get into the fall and winter temperatures where more people are inside and the flu starts going around too.

That's what the CDC has been saying for months. But here we are.

That's what the CDC has been saying for months. But here we are.

Flu shot.
Flu shot.
Please get your seasonal flu shot, everyone.

Flu shot.
Flu shot.
Please get your seasonal flu shot, everyone.

Went and got mine this past weekend. The place i get mine ran out of the flu shot for children under 18 so my kids are on a waiting list for next shipment. The person giving me my flu shot told me they have been really busy with flu shots so that is good news that people are taking this season serious

Stillwater hospital has been on surge operations haven’t they?

Stillwater hospital has been on surge operations haven’t they?
I did see that on the news as I was waiting on the weather.

5th highest in cases
3rd highest in positivity rate
We are in the Red Zone according to the White House Task Force

https://coronavirus.health.ok.gov/sites/g/files/gmc786/f/oklahomawhitehousereport09272020.pdf

Best Covid article I've read in a long while. (0% politics)

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/09/k-overlooked-variable-driving-pandemic/616548/

I would still go with the governor from NY as the worse. I base my evaluation on deaths per million.

#1 NY ---1,828 deaths per 1 million people from the virus

# 37 Oklahoma 257 deaths

#39 South Dakota 252 deaths per 1 million people

The decision by the governors up east to send the infected elderly patients back in to the nursing homes might be the single worst gubernatorial decision in my lifetime. The 2nd worst might be keeping the subway system open in NYC throughout the entire process. If you haven't seen the graph that shows how many of the Covid infections nation wide came from NYC is astounding.

Not sure where this data comes from, but is this supposed to state that Oklahoma has 257 deaths per 1,000,000 people?

Sad story about "SUPER HEALTHY COLLEGE STUDENT," a 19-year-old who died of COVID-19 yesterday, weeks after ending his quarantine.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/29/us/college-student-dies-covid.html?smtyp=cur&smid=fb-nytimes&fbclid=IwAR2lFccEirk_CVlT0f2YI1Km4ZKYwGL3JuaT4lhUZ Q9oNSjLBbRD4n5FxoA

Not sure where this data comes from, but is this supposed to state that Oklahoma has 257 deaths per 1,000,000 people?

OSHD reports 1031 Covid deaths. With a population of roughly 4 Million, yes that equates to 257 deaths per million.

To compare Oklahoma’s experience with NY/NYC is not a fair comparison. The dense urban breeding ground and extensive international visitors and domestic visitors, not to mention commuters, made a toxic situation when little to nothing was known about the virus. Here and now in Oklahoma is way, way different, but it seems like we still have tons of deniers here and petulant citizens who would rather not be inconvenienced to try to protect their fellow citizens.

Oklahoma by the way is 1,379 deaths BELOW the excess deaths threshold for the 2020 year ....

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

Oklahoma by the way is 1,379 deaths BELOW the excess deaths threshold for the 2020 year ....

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

as of right now. yes. but deaths can be reported months later. the largest increase in death reporting each year occurs when filling taxes for that year. so assuming April 15th 2021 is the 2020 tax deadline, that is when there is the last major reporting of deaths for the 2020 year.

as of right now. yes. but deaths can be reported months later. the largest increase in death reporting each year occurs when filling taxes for that year. so assuming April 15th 2021 is the 2020 tax deadline, that is when there is the last major reporting of deaths for the 2020 year.
Can you cite where you get this? That's interesting.

Can you cite where you get this? That's interesting.

i'm not finding the specific mention of that on the page anymore. but it was a large reason for the starting of this project by the CDC and Department of Health back in 2018

https://www.cdc.gov/surveillance/projects/improving-data-on-drug-overdose-deaths.html

it does still state that even one of the project goals is to get the information about drug overdose deaths within 90 days. so if that is the goal, it helps to still make it clear that the current process is still way longer than 90 days for most reporting.

https://www.cdc.gov/surveillance/projects/understanding-death-data.html

here provides some more information about the difference between provisional and final data. and i might have been wrong on the tax deadline being a major one. but i do know that the final numbers from states don't come out until well into the end of Q1 or early Q2 of the following year. i might have just assumed it was because of the tax deadline and filing of that persons taxes with death certificate.

Your posts are making less and less sense.

And why on earth are you posting links to tiny, obscure sites using data from one Sunday?

Media illiteracy among adults is really astounding and is central to so many of our failures as a country, including COVID. Young people too, but I'm astounded by adults who just pass around uncited emails and believe the nonsense. It's pretty unbelievable.

Anyway, I teach media literacy and one of the biggest challenges is that much of the news we see interacts with our preexisting ideas and prevents us from evaluating the source. But three questions for civic online reasoning (https://cor.stanford.edu/) I teach are:

1. Who's behind the information?
2. What's the evidence?
3. What do other sources say?

For many people, their socioemotional motivations and news illiteracy are so high that these questions don't work, but it's worth a try.

1.170 new caes today. 7-day rolling average is now 1,018.

Hospitalizations are 610, -18 compared to yesterday.

4 more reported deaths.

236 new cases in OK County.

i'm not finding the specific mention of that on the page anymore. but it was a large reason for the starting of this project by the CDC and Department of Health back in 2018

https://www.cdc.gov/surveillance/projects/improving-data-on-drug-overdose-deaths.html

it does still state that even one of the project goals is to get the information about drug overdose deaths within 90 days. so if that is the goal, it helps to still make it clear that the current process is still way longer than 90 days for most reporting.

https://www.cdc.gov/surveillance/projects/understanding-death-data.html

here provides some more information about the difference between provisional and final data. and i might have been wrong on the tax deadline being a major one. but i do know that the final numbers from states don't come out until well into the end of Q1 or early Q2 of the following year. i might have just assumed it was because of the tax deadline and filing of that persons taxes with death certificate.

Thanks. I'll read these. I'm somewhat amazed but probably shouldn't be that in this day things can take so long to record.

BTW, our 7-day rolling average has been above 1,000 new cases for the last 13 straight days.

Previously, we had only been over that mark for 2 days total.

BTW, our 7-day rolling average has been above 1,000 new cases for the last 13 straight days.

Previously, we had only been over that mark for 2 days total.

Do we know how many of these are rapid tests? We could have been over 1000 for a long time possibly.

Do we know how many of these are rapid tests? We could have been over 1000 for a long time possibly.
I don't know if there's anywhere you can find type-of-test break downs. I don't think you can. But, at the risk of getting in trouble, the high positives do follow a similar increase in total test results reported.

As has been stated repeatedly, the reason they now include rapid tests is they are currently reliable.

Before, people that were rapid-tested pretty much all had to turn around and take a traditional test and double-testing has never been counted.


Positives cases are positive cases.

As per the White House report and my own tracking, Oklahoma is 5th in the nation over the last 2 weeks when it comes to new positive cases per capita.

That is horrible no matter how you want to slice the data.

But we get so stuck on the daily number. If we processed 100,000 tests per day it's likely that we'd have 10,000 positives a day. We have run, within a small range, the same positivity rate for some time. So the number of positives track right with the number of tests processed. The ranking of Oklahoma's new positive cases is during a period of new records of tests processed. Math is math.
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Numbers taken directly from the weekly Epidemiology Reports. Positives averaged line and total tests average line look alike. The high numbers of positives the last two weeks follow a large increase in tests processed. They just do.

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What on earth difference does it make?

If we were testing way more and positivity went down, you might have a point.


As a reminder, deaths and hospitalizations have been trending up as well.

I'm very concerned about deaths and hospitalizations. But just sticking to daily/weekly positive test results and where Oklahoma ranks nationally. And it's not just here this happens it's a number of sites. If it's going to be noted how many days we're above 1000 or the average is above 1000 or we're 5th in new cases per capita then it must also be kept in context that it is because of increased testing volume. And those things are because of increased testing volume. This thing is bad, sad and depressing enough without making it sound worse than it is. Constant negative, negative, negative is eventually going to cause some people who are trying now to give up. It's that way with any situation.

I'm very concerned about deaths and hospitalizations. But just sticking to daily/weekly positive test results and where Oklahoma ranks nationally. And it's not just here this happens it's a number of sites. If it's going to be noted how many days we're above 1000 or the average is above 1000 or we're 5th in new cases per capita then it must also be kept in context that it is because of increased testing volume. And those things are because of increased testing volume.

This is the "we'd have fewer cases if we did less testing" logic.

Media illiteracy among adults is really astounding and is central to so many of our failures as a country, including COVID. Young people too, but I'm astounded by adults who just pass around uncited emails and believe the nonsense. It's pretty unbelievable.

Anyway, I teach media literacy and one of the biggest challenges is that much of the news we see interacts with our preexisting ideas and prevents us from evaluating the source. But three questions for civic online reasoning (https://cor.stanford.edu/) I teach are:

1. Who's behind the information?
2. What's the evidence?
3. What do other sources say?

For many people, their socioemotional motivations and news illiteracy are so high that these questions don't work, but it's worth a try.

Hear, Hear!!

This is the "we'd have fewer cases if we did less testing" logic.
No it's not. Less testing would only mean lots more positives we don't know about. The actual cases are there either way. We have WAY more cases than we even know. Which is why I haven't gone anywhere since March without hand sanitizer and an N95 mask. I'm NOT trying to minimize the real problem. I'm just trying to point out that using out of context data to show Oklahoma is doing a worse job than maybe we really are isn't fair to Oklahoma. BTW, our RT, which I put a lot of faith in has been right around 1. We're in the 20 lowest RTs in the country because that formula has testing volume in the equation because it does matter.

No it's not. We have WAY more cases than we even know. Which is why I haven't gone anywhere since March without hand sanitizer and an N95 mask. I'm NOT trying to minimize the real problem. I'm just trying to point out that using out of context data to show Oklahoma is doing a poor job isn't fair to Oklahoma.

No matter what you argue, it doesn't explain away the fact we are #5 in new cases per capita nationwide.

That's terrible. Period.

No matter what you argue, it doesn't explain away the fact we are #5 in new cases per capita nationwide.

That's terrible. Period.I was done. But. We've only raised to 5th because of the increased number of tests processed. That is not disputable. Period. I won't ever argue that the virus is HORRIBLE. Just that the data is being misused.

I was done. But. We've only raised to 5th because of the increased number of tests processed. That is not disputable. Period. I won't ever argue that the virus is HORRIBLE. Just that the data is being misused.

The data is not being misused.

And of course there are more cases because of more tests. Again, what difference does this make when compared comparatively to other states we are near the very bottom?

And are more tests leading to more hospitalizations and more deaths?

Your logic is highly flawed.

The data is not being misused.

And of course there are more cases because of more tests. Again, what difference does this make when compared comparatively to other states we are near the very bottom?

And are more tests leading to more hospitalizations and more deaths?

Your logic is highly flawed.You're refusing to look at data and only data. Using data out of context to make the situation look worse than it is misuses data. The situation is bad enough without noting where we rank in new cases based on numbers that are only higher because testing volume has increased. We have only raised to 5th because we are testing more. Would you feel better if we were 25th but still only testing an average of 5000 per day. Then our positives would be around 500 per day and we would be somewhere in the bottom 20. And. Again, I'm just talking new case data and using it to compare to other states or even just to discuss how well or badly we're doing. And please stop bringing up deaths and hospitalizations. I've already conceded that they are very concerning.

You're refusing to look at data and only data. Using data out of context to make the situation look worse than it is misuses data. The situation is bad enough without noting where we rank in new cases based on numbers that are only higher because testing volume has increased. We have only raised to 5th because we are testing more. Would you feel better if we were 25th but still only testing an average of 5000 per day. Then our positives would be around 500 per day and we would be somewhere in the bottom 20. And. Again, I'm just talking new case data and using it to compare to other states or even just to discuss how well or badly we're doing. And please stop bringing up deaths and hospitalizations. I've already conceded that they are very concerning.

My suggestion is to not bother with this argument. I tried this logic months ago, and you will just go round and round with no end in sight. I think you will find that a lot of people agree with you, but it doesn’t fit the narrative that a majority of the people here want to push.

My suggestion is to not bother with this argument. I tried this logic months ago, and you will just go round and round with no end in sight. I think you will find that a lot of people agree with you, but it doesn’t fit the narrative that a majority of the people here want to push.
The narrative is that you don’t control a pandemic by ignoring it exists. This idea that if you stick your head in the sand and if you don’t know how bad it really is, then it isn’t bad at all, is a fast leap off a tall cliff. Maybe we could make it go away by just not testing at all and reclassifying the deaths and hospital stays.

Since when is reality and truth a “narrative”?

The narrative is that you don’t control a pandemic by ignoring it exists. This idea that if you stick your head in the sand and if you don’t know how bad it really is, then it isn’t bad at all, is a fast leap off a tall cliff. Maybe we could make it go away by just not testing at all and reclassifying the deaths and hospital stays.

Since when is reality and truth a “narrative”?

NO!!! Our daily numbers are NOT truth!! They are a representation of cause and effect. We test more, and the daily rates go up. People around here cling to the daily rates of infection and act like the world is ending; yet, this is the least diagnostic number for what is really happening right now. Want a good diagnostic tool? Look at the R numbers for the states. Look at the percent positive rates. Are they going up and down?

Anytime somebody questions the validity in our daily ramblings around the case numbers, they are obliterated as trying to dismiss this virus. Nothing can be further from the truth. We’re simply pointing out that it’s flawed analysis when the reality is there is likely far more cases than what has been represented. Caution must be taken when comparing directly to our peers in other states when looking purely at daily case rates because of these issues. Yet here we are: “Oklahoma is top 10 in daily case numbers blah blah blah. We’re terrible. The world is ending here.” The reality is that we are no worse or better than our peers. The entire US is failing miserably at containment, but you will never know it given the bias in testing.

This forum has become a broken record, with a series of repeated arguments in a circular pattern.

My question to CM and Bill is: Oklahoma's positive case rate per capita, as Pete reported, is fifth in nation. Are you arguing that we really are not the fifth worst state in the nation in this category?

I really don't understand the preoccupation with the number of tests.

To wit, if we began testing a whole bunch more people and our positivity rate went down, then I would understand your argument.

But, to be honest, I have no clue what you are arguing. It seems like you are just reflexively defending Oklahoma for some reason, but you haven't made a compelling case that our infection rate is not fifth worst in the nation. Do you think the White House guidance is off?

How do you think Oklahoma is doing managing this virus?

BREAKING: Donald J. Trump and Melania Trump both have Covid-19. Guess it's not a hoax anymore.

BREAKING: Donald J. Trump and Melania Trump both have Covid-19. Guess it's not a hoax anymore.

If they both don't get sick, Trump will lead the way more than ever in that there is no need for most people to take COVID-19 seriously.

You know that Trump will be complaining that he can’t be on the campaign trail next week.