Mardi Gras has probably something to do with that.

I came home sick from Mardi Gras. Had to take a few days off which is rare. Not sure what I had but didn't spread through my house or office fortunately. Symptoms were similar to covid 19 with shortness of breath, fatigue, cough, etc but no clue After about 10 days...I was better. I have heard that there are a lot of people that have probably already had milder versions of it without realizing but don't know if that is true.

I came home sick from Mardi Gras. Had to take a few days off which is rare. Not sure what I had but didn't spread through my house or office fortunately. Symptoms were similar to covid 19 with shortness of breath, fatigue, cough, etc but no clue After about 10 days...I was better. I have heard that there are a lot of people that have probably already had milder versions of it without realizing but don't know if that is true.

If you think you had COVID-19 then definitely let everyone you were in contact with know. Yes, lots of people have mild symptoms, but spread it the same way as more severe cases.

Everyone needs to wear a mask, infected or not. Leaving our crowded grocery stores open with folks not wearing masks will just spread the infection at ridiculous rates. We don't need N95, just enough to keep the respiratory particles in place is all that is needed.

You only need a mask if you are not healthy (which in that case I'd severely limit my public exposure) or you are in very close contact as a caregiver to someone with the virus or immunocompromised. "EVERYONE" does not need to be wearing a face mask. Regardless, you're not going to find them and they are only going to give you a false sense of security.

Sat in on a national HR webinar. OSHA complaints are already being filed by employees - all related to the pandemic and range from being forced to endanger one's self by performing tests on other employees to simply being told to come to work and the employee considers it to dangerous.

You only need a mask if you are not healthy (which in that case I'd severely limit my public exposure) or you are in very close contact as a caregiver to someone with the virus or immunocompromised. "EVERYONE" does not need to be wearing a face mask. Regardless, you're not going to find them and they are only going to give you a false sense of security.

Opinions differ: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/opinion/coronavirus-face-masks.amp.html

You can make a DIY mask with some effectiveness. Plenty of information out there on how to. I have not yet worn one in public but next trip to the grocery in a few weeks when there are thousands of known infected and unknown numbers of people walking around infected I plan to. 6’ wide aisles in a grocery make it difficult or impossible to maintain appropriate distance.

masks protect others from you the normal mask doesn't protect you

masks protect others from you the normal mask doesn't protect you

Do you know you aren’t infected? How do you know that? (Royal you.)

From the linked article:
Fifth, places like Hong Kong and Taiwan that jumped to action early with social distancing and universal mask wearing have the pandemic under much greater control, despite having significant travel from mainland China. Hong Kong health officials credit universal mask wearing as part of the solution and recommend universal mask wearing.

Opinions differ: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/opinion/coronavirus-face-masks.amp.html

You can make a DIY mask with some effectiveness. Plenty of information out there on how to. I have not yet worn one in public but next trip to the grocery in a few weeks when there are thousands of known infected and unknown numbers of people walking around infected I plan to. 6’ wide aisles in a grocery make it difficult or impossible to maintain appropriate distance.

A scuba mask and a hazmat suit "can have some effectiveness" -- Have at it. I'm sure there's a DIY on Pinterest for that.

Do you know you aren’t infected? How do you know that? (Royal you.)

From the linked article:
Fifth, places like Hong Kong and Taiwan that jumped to action early with social distancing and universal mask wearing have the pandemic under much greater control, despite having significant travel from mainland China. Hong Kong health officials credit universal mask wearing as part of the solution and recommend universal mask wearing.


How about everyone who is healthy and under 70 assume you may be infected (wash your hands, don't cough on people) and older more at risk population needs to hunker down.

A scuba mask and a hazmat suit "can have some effectiveness" -- Have at it. I'm sure there's a DIY on Pinterest for that.

Here's one from a hospital: https://deaconess.com/How-to-make-a-Face-Mask

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=383&v=9tBg0Os5FWQ&feature=emb_logo

One of many on the subject I've seen recently.

I'm loving this guy right now..... Naftali Bennett: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGl1YydafxY

Here's one from a hospital: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=383&v=9tBg0Os5FWQ&feature=emb_logo

One of many on the subject I've seen recently.

LOL. That's gonna keep what virus out of your system? This is called keeping the population busy and thinking they are actually doing something productive instead of freaking out even more.

You got some snazzy eye protection you're gonna wear too? Everyone keeps ignoring that transmission site.

LOL. That's gonna keep what virus out of your system? This is called keeping the population busy and thinking they are actually doing something productive instead of freaking out even more.

You got some snazzy eye protection you're gonna wear too? Everyone keeps ignoring that transmission site.

"Everyone" includes you apparently but not really everyone else. Pick your level of care for yourself and others, become a superinfector if you please, or somewhere in between. it's a free country.

How about everyone who is healthy and under 70 assume you may be infected (wash your hands, don't cough on people) and older more at risk population needs to hunker down.

the tide is starting to quickly shift this way

I'm loving this guy right now..... Naftali Bennett: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGl1YydafxY

Can't really disagree with that.

If we do a national lockdown, I'd say we should give it 5-10 days before we release everyone from 20 to 35 "into the wild". 5 days later add in the teenagers and those up to 50. 10 days later, add in the rest of the kids and everyone up to 55. At that point, make sure the health system is ready and that things are progressing as we'd think they should. If it's 5 days or 35 days, wait until we feel like we've got a good handle and then release the rest of the ages gradually.

"Everyone" includes you apparently but not really everyone else. Pick your level of care for yourself and others, become a superinfector if you please, or somewhere in between. it's a free country.

As opposed to you (the general public) obsessing over DIY masks that do no good, totally ignoring eye protection, and an unrealistic expectation that everyone can stay home indefinitely until this is over (or we are over). Face it folks. We touch lots of stuff and breath a lot of air. You can delay the inevitable if you choose, but we already have hospitals begging for more supplies when they are not even actively treating infected people. I choose plan B.

This thread right now:

https://i.imgur.com/shQx4lb.png

This thread right now:

https://i.imgur.com/shQx4lb.png

Cute meme. Too bad you can't actually formulate your own words.

The reality of Oklahoma numbers do not seem to jive with this approach.
As of yesterday 67 cases.
18-49. 31 cases
50-64. 21 cases
65+. 13 cases.

Cute meme. Too bad you can't actually formulate your own words.

Hit a little personally, did it?

The reality of Oklahoma numbers do not seem to jive with this approach.
As of yesterday 67 cases.
18-49. 31 cases
50-64. 21 cases
65+. 13 cases.

In what way do you mean? - nobody said all age groups couldn't contract the virus, only that the effects on those younger than 65 has shown to be generally mild except in situations with complicating factors - what are you trying to show with those numbers?

What age groups would be more likely to be transmitters

the tide is starting to quickly shift this way

Maybe in your world. I'm going to do my part by staying at home and not catching the corona virus and if I have been infected by not passing it on to others.

This thread right now:

https://i.imgur.com/shQx4lb.png

that is what we (as a society) do each and every day both before this pandemic and it is what we will do after this has passed ..

almost 7500 people a day die in this country alone and a huge portion of those are preventable ...

we (collective) choose not to

The reality of this is that when applied to enough people, aka the full population of the US if we all just go back to work without a care, this will absolutely kill and/or hospitalize plenty of people younger than 70 and quite possibly in enough numbers to overstress the health care system just like we've been trying to avoid this entire time.

The reality of this is that when applied to enough people, aka the full population of the US if we all just go back to work without a care, this will absolutely kill and/or hospitalize plenty of people younger than 70 and quite possibly in enough numbers to overstress the health care system just like we've been trying to avoid this entire time.

Let's not undo the good that our sacrifices have brought about by ending those sacrifices too soon. Then they will have all been for not. How about we at least wait until the new infections plateau?

Let's not undo the good that our sacrifices have brought about by ending those sacrifices too soon. Then they will have all been for not.

if the "sacrifices" go for too long they will also be for not

There's no easy answer. No course of action results in everything just immediately going back to the way it was before. If we grind everything to a halt the economy suffers, people lose jobs and go hungry and we face a years long depression we haven't seen in nearly a century. But we've gone through that kind of thing before and some people will be worse off but humanity will go on.

Or we maintain what seem to be sensible precautions but otherwise go back to business as usual and face thousands of ill and infected overwhelming our medical infrastructure not just endangering the hold and previously ill, but also anyone who encounters a non-covid medical emergency but can't get treated because the hospitals are full and medical professionals fall sick as well. If some people die then they die, but the strong and healthy will (mostly) survive and humanity will go on.

There are tough decisions ahead (and some behind) and there are no right answers. All we can do is what we think is best for the most people, but its a rough road either way and we likely won't ever know if it was the best one in the end.

Monday update:

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/corona032320a.jpg


http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/corona032320b.jpg

Only 15 hospitalized is reassuring. Granted, I think that will go up. But hospitalization does not automatically mean life-threatening.

I wish they broke down 18-49 more. That is a large group.

Just want to reiterate the point others have made that these numbers from the Health Department are meaningless until more testing is done. I have three colleagues who are exhibiting the symptoms of the virus right now, but have not and will not be tested because their doctors say they don’t have yet have enough tests and their symptoms are relatively mild at this point. Maybe they have it, maybe they don’t, but they don’t show up in these numbers, and there are many more just like them out there.

This virus is bad news and should be treated as such.

Read this (https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56).

Summary of the article: Strong coronavirus measures today should only last a few weeks, there shouldn’t be a big peak of infections afterwards, and it can all be done for a reasonable cost to society, saving millions of lives along the way. If we don’t take these measures, tens of millions will be infected, many will die, along with anybody else that requires intensive care, because the healthcare system will have collapsed.

Let's not undo the good that our sacrifices have brought about by ending those sacrifices too soon. Then they will have all been for not. How about we at least wait until the new infections plateau?

and what happens after new infections plateau and everyone is released back into the wild...they will just go up again. We are delaying the inevitable but hopefully a few weeks will buy time to produce more ventilators and determine whether some of these potential treatments work. For the economy’s sake, the quarantine absolutely can not go on for more than another month or so.

Just want to reiterate the point others have made that these numbers from the Health Department are meaningless until more testing is done. I have three colleagues who are exhibiting the symptoms of the virus right now, but have not and will not be tested because their doctors say they don’t have yet have enough tests and their symptoms are relatively mild at this point. Maybe they have it, maybe they don’t, but they don’t show up in these numbers, and there are many more just like them out there.

testing has very litte to do with those going to the hospital

Just want to reiterate the point others have made that these numbers from the Health Department are meaningless until more testing is done. I have three colleagues who are exhibiting the symptoms of the virus right now, but have not and will not be tested because their doctors say they don’t have yet have enough tests and their symptoms are relatively mild at this point. Maybe they have it, maybe they don’t, but they don’t show up in these numbers, and there are many more just like them out there.

Truth I also know 3 people that probably have it but not getting tested. Coughing like mad but they have no fever. If we keep going by just the numbers we are in trouble until everyone can get tested that have mild symptoms. 80% only show mild symptoms. So 10,000 people in the metro have it but only 2,000 will be tested. So then the news comes on and says only 2,000 people have it in the metro. SMH

The DIY masks help extend the life of real masks worn underneath, that’s why hospital are utilizing them.

This virus is bad news and should be treated as such.

Read this (https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56).

Summary of the article: Strong coronavirus measures today should only last a few weeks, there shouldn’t be a big peak of infections afterwards, and it can all be done for a reasonable cost to society, saving millions of lives along the way. If we don’t take these measures, tens of millions will be infected, many will die, along with anybody else that requires intensive care, because the healthcare system will have collapsed.

This is a an estimate, just like everyone is estimating and projecting. So far estimates have not come to fruition. This was supposed to be a 3.4% death rate according to the WHO. It is in the low 1%. If more were tested with mild symptoms then, the death rate would be even lower.

Just want to reiterate the point others have made that these numbers from the Health Department are meaningless until more testing is done. I have three colleagues who are exhibiting the symptoms of the virus right now, but have not and will not be tested because their doctors say they don’t have yet have enough tests and their symptoms are relatively mild at this point. Maybe they have it, maybe they don’t, but they don’t show up in these numbers, and there are many more just like them out there.

That's not quite true. They were much more meaningful when they were accompanied by the new daily *negative* numbers. That let us measure the day-to-day delta of new postiives versus all completed tests. If, for example, they had those 14 new positives in, say, 20 returned tests total, that's not good. If, on the other hand, those 14 positives were amid 150 completed tests, that would continue to show that the more restrictive testing is still indicating 90%+ *don't* have it. The loss of that number is important.

That's not quite true. They were much more meaningful when they were accompanied by the new daily *negative* numbers. That let us measure the day-to-day delta of new postiives versus all completed tests. If, for example, they had those 14 new positives in, say, 20 returned tests total, that's not good. If, on the other hand, those 14 positives were amid 150 completed tests, that would continue to show that the more restrictive testing is still indicating 90%+ *don't* have it. The loss of that number is important.

This is everything. This is the reason comparing numbers to states like New York who have ramped up testing a bunch is not a fair comparison.

You only need a mask if you are not healthy (which in that case I'd severely limit my public exposure) or you are in very close contact as a caregiver to someone with the virus or immunocompromised. "EVERYONE" does not need to be wearing a face mask. Regardless, you're not going to find them and they are only going to give you a false sense of security.

You are wrong on this one and I was too until recently. Once we have supply, EVERYONE will need to wear a mask for the next year to 18 months. It's already been proven successful in countries that have done it. People (and the CDC) need to quit spreading this misinformation that masks aren't helpful because then we're going to have to be like: oh, sorry. we were lying. you need to wear a mask now.

And, to be clear, there are not enough masks right now so they need to go to healthcare professionals. That doesn't change the point that we should wear them once there is supply.

I used to make the we-don't-need-masks argument until Zeynep Tufekci pointed out how nonsensical the argument is... please read and share this article as she corrects this mask misinformation: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/opinion/coronavirus-face-masks.html

^Same link I posted upthread in response to the same post. But it bears repeating I guess, except for the closed minds you are talking to mostly.

This is a an estimate, just like everyone is estimating and projecting. So far estimates have not come to fruition. This was supposed to be a 3.4% death rate according to the WHO. It is in the low 1%. If more were tested with mild symptoms then, the death rate would be even lower.
As of this mornings update, according to WHO, worldwide reporting of confirmed cases is a death rate of 4.35% (https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/685d0ace521648f8a5beeeee1b9125cd). Since posting earlier, the current count seems to have gone up to 4.39% now showing over 40,000 more confirmed cases and approximately 2,000 more deaths. It should be lower in US because of better health standards and care available. However, if the care system gets swamped and it moves into the less healthy and older population aggressively like it has in the rest of the world, then we will see the ratio go up substantially here. The US is on the front end of the curve and trying desperately to avoid the experiences elsewhere. However, we are tracking close to Italy, and that isn't good at all.

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/lost-sense-of-smell-may-be-peculiar-clue-to-coronavirus-infection/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=owned_echobox_tw_m&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1584925381 Very interesting

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/lost-sense-of-smell-may-be-peculiar-clue-to-coronavirus-infection/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=owned_echobox_tw_m&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1584925381 Very interesting

A friend in LA confirmed they had those symptoms living in a house full of people apparently all with the flu.

So Norman is closing more things and Mustang is keeping everything open. I have a bad feeling about this for the metro. Hopefully it won't get too bad.

Tuesday update:

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/corona032420a.jpg


http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/corona032420b.jpg

that's a jump in the number of hospitalized... wonder if they're new hospitalizations or existing patients just now getting results.

Why aren't private labs' negative results included? ALL labs testing for this should be required to report both negative and positive results, we need all the data we can get.

I can't seem to find an answer to what I think is an obvious question, why so many in Oklahoma and Cleveland counties as compared to the Tulsa metro ?

And why so many in Cleveland county ?

Why aren't private labs' negative results included? ALL labs testing for this should be required to report both negative and positive results, we need all the data we can get.

I also noticed that. I responded to the post from Ch 9 on this info and they said they'd asked, but had no answer.

What was the "exciting news" that Mayor Holt had planned for today? I must say, whenever I see posts that say "Stay tuned, big announcement tomorrow" it reminds of a boss saying "At the end of today, we need to talk." Teasers don't really help anyone's anxiety level in this climate.

I also noticed that. I responded to the post from Ch 9 on this info and they said they'd asked, but had no answer.

This is just basic ****, why can't they figure this stuff out (send an email to every single diagnostic lab in the state (and there *should* be a comprehensive list) telling them to report every single test result every single day)?

Just like the mask, ventilator, PPE, testing, etc. shortage - there are entire teams, groups, offices, companies whose ENTIRE JOB it is to figure these things out (usually *ahead* of the pandemic, so they can just use those plans when it happens, rather than being done ad hoc, as it is now), why aren't they figured out? Last question is kind of rhetorical and may get political, I kind of know the answer to some of it, so answer if you want, but if you get political, posts may get deleted.

I don't know if anyone is following KWTV specifically on FB during all this, but I thought I would offer props to Lacie Lowry b/c she is posting daily info and trying to get questions answered, AND responding to people's questions. Can't be easy as a reporter right now.

Why aren't private labs' negative results included? ALL labs testing for this should be required to report both negative and positive results, we need all the data we can get.
They’ve also eliminated “recovered” as a statistic. I’d like to see at least some good news in the statistics.

Any reporting on why the State Epidemiologist was replaced?

Any reporting on why the State Epidemiologist was replaced?
No, and it's extremely frustrating. There was one press release with a name of a new guy taking over and no picture, no link to his bio on website, and now I can't even see where that press release still exists?
It's starting to feel like gaslighting. Did they actually remove him?

Press release from the city:


Mayor Holt will announce an expanded state of emergency during a news conference at 4 p.m. today to help limit the spread of COVID-19

Press release from the city:

Interesting, wonder if other OK County towns will follow along. Mayor Holt and the Norman mayor having to literally forge their own trail.

At least the the City of Norman Mayor has some guts and insight by issuing a 15-day shelter in place order today. She is not waiting on Governor Stitt or the President. She has been very proactive during all of this and is first in implemented policies to protect her community.