or they are having a casedemic. :)

That may be true for other places(Europe for example), butI don't think its currently true for Oklahoma until deaths start falling anyway.

Ironically, Oklahoma is having better luck at "flattening the curve" but only because of lower population density.

The same states and countries that are saw the greatest declines also had the greatest outbreaks when adjusted for population. Sweden is the most famous example of this.

or they are having a casedemic. :)

The graph and your casademic video don’t correlate at all. Please stop!

Ironically, Oklahoma is having better luck at "flattening the curve" but only because of lower population density.

In no way has Oklahoma flattened the curve, unless you want to count maintaining all-time highs for extended periods.

the problem with the masks, and let me preface with that I wear one all the time in public when i am around people.

the 1st 2 months of this thing, the CDC and Fauci said that make didnt work against the virus, so no point in wearing them.

then the next 5 months we were told that a person should wear a masks to save other people. The other persons mask was to protect you from getting the virus.

Yesterday the CDC director said the mask will protect the wearer better than a vaccine?? I thought the mask was to prevent other people from getting your droplets and not for your own protection?

Its getting confusing......

First, your timeline is off. It did not take two month for officials to start encouraging masks. Maybe officially, but they recommended it earlier than two months (if we're considering March the real beginning of community spread). Second, if you follow good sources then you would have known much earlier. I posted this Zeynep Tufekci article (Why Telling People They Don’t Need Masks Backfired (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/opinion/coronavirus-face-masks.html)) in this thread on March 17th. A big point she makes—and you made—is that is was irresponsible to tell people not to wear masks. Third, people need to understand that some of the science is emerging. Just because you hear something different later, doesn't mean we should throw our hands in the air. We need more scientific literacy as most people don't seem to understand how research works. We are increasingly learning that masks also benefit the wearer.

I have no idea I am just passing on what some of the Docs are coming out saying. Could be BS or could be true but I doubt we will ever really know for sure. Everyone has an agenda and we know that the worst the Dems can make this look the better for them come election time.

This is how brainwashed citizens in authoritarian countries talk. They just throw their hands up and say, it's impossible to know truth, why try?

Actually, it's really not that hard to understand scientific information. I have felt really well informed during the entire pandemic. There's so much thoughtful and helpful reporting out there.

Many of the deaths are not directly from Covid. If someone goes in the Hosp for whatever reason and dies and they have a positive test it is marked as Covid. That is what some of the DRs are coming forth and saying.

If someone comes into a hospital and dies "for whatever reason" and they have a positive Covid test... is it not COVID related? How do you know that?

But let's just play along and agree that that has happened. Has it happened 200,000 times? Or, actually, one MILLION times??


Everyone has an agenda and we know that the worst the Dems can make this look the better for them come election time.

Ok, so, the democratic agenda was to get democratic operatives in the US together with doctors, epidemiologists, and virologists the world over (that is, all the ones that "the Dems" have been grooming, training, and putting through the education system for the last 30+ years just for this moment) and got them to activate their diabolical agreement to fraudulently mark the cause of death for 1 MM+ people who go into the "hosp for whatever reason" as death by a TBD coronavirus, while convincing diagnostic labs around the world to report 30MM more test as positive for that virus, regardless of what the diagnostics results actually are.

And they did all this to maybe, hopefully, crossed their fingers, to influence a few undecided voters in US swings states to tip the electoral college vote in the 2020 election for their candidate.

That is amazing! I'm so impressed, I might just go ahead and vote for that based on the sheer amount of leadership and competency it has taken to pull that off. I mean, has any Republican pulled off anything that impressive of that scale and at that level of execution??

But in the real world, that's a massive waste of resources and logistical nightmares, because they could have just made a meme, or maybe a YouTube video, hashtagged it right, and boom, you have a base. That's what the American electorate really listens to anyway.

Many of the deaths are not directly from Covid. If someone goes in the Hosp for whatever reason and dies and they have a positive test it is marked as Covid. That is what some of the DRs are coming forth and saying.

Now if you are listening to CNN and some other news media it's all Covid all the time. Yes it's bad but they have inflated the numbers IMO.

This is totally moronic. This virus attacks any weakness, just like AIDS. People didn’t die of AIDS. They died of “complications related to AIDS.” Dude, that is how viruses kill people.

If you have heart problems, COVID will exploit those problems and kill you. It attacks every organ and any weakness in your immune system. Your comment is ridiculously stupid and completely debunked by any credible disease specialist.

The graph and your casademic video don’t correlate at all. Please stop!

Do you really think 1,000 people are walking around every day getting sick in Oklahoma for the past 2 months non stop?

While i'm on a roll today. :) https://twitter.com/i/status/1304596764457132033

If someone comes into a hospital and dies "for whatever reason" and they have a positive Covid test... is it not COVID related? How do you know that?

But let's just play along and agree that that has happened. Has it happened 200,000 times? Or, actually, one MILLION times??



Ok, so, the democratic agenda was to get democratic operatives in the US together with doctors, epidemiologists, and virologists the world over (that is, all the ones that "the Dems" have been grooming, training, and putting through the education system for the last 30+ years just for this moment) and got them to activate their diabolical agreement to fraudulently mark the cause of death for 1 MM+ people who go into the "hosp for whatever reason" as death by a TBD coronavirus, while convincing diagnostic labs around the world to report 30MM more test as positive for that virus, regardless of what the diagnostics results actually are.

And they did all this to maybe, hopefully, crossed their fingers, to influence a few undecided voters in US swings states to tip the electoral college vote in the 2020 election for their candidate.

That is amazing! I'm so impressed, I might just go ahead and vote for that based on the sheer amount of leadership and competency it has taken to pull that off. I mean, has any Republican pulled off anything that impressive of that scale and at that level of execution??

But in the real world, that's a massive waste of resources and logistical nightmares, because they could have just made a meme, or maybe a YouTube video, hashtagged it right, and boom, you have a base. That's what the American electorate really listens to anyway.


https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm Right now it's about 15% more than normal.

Do you really think 1,000 people are walking around every day getting sick in Oklahoma for the past 2 months non stop?
Actually many more than that. And watch the video you linked. His point is new cases staying the same or rising with deaths being very low or in his Ireland example zero deaths. Our data is not like that. Make up your mind. Do you think this virus is a serious issue or not. You’re all over the place!

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm Right now it's about 15% more than normal.

15% more than what? What do you mean by normal?

You posted it, and I don't know why, but is that not saying that 15% more people are dying than expected?

After looking at it again, all I can say is that I do not think it means what you think it means.

Now, if you accept these additional deaths and think we should not do anything, even minor easy behavioral changes to get the excess death number down below double digits, just say that. You could have saved just a little smidgen of bandwidth by just simply posting "I do not care, I support the 15% increase in unexpected deaths, because Dems want me to wear a mask on my face to prevent those deaths, and that's really what this is all about: Government control of what's on my face."

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But in the real world, that's a massive waste of resources and logistical nightmares, because they could have just made a meme, or maybe a YouTube video, hashtagged it right, and boom, you have a base. That's what the American electorate really listens to anyway.

Speaking of that:

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Actually many more than that. And watch the video you linked. His point is new cases staying the same or rising with deaths being very low or in his Ireland example zero deaths. Our data is not like that. Make up your mind. Do you think this virus is a serious issue or not. You’re all over the place!

Serious for older population yes. Over hyped and not as serious as the media is making it out to be Yes. I think we are basing too much on total number of cases. Hospitalization i'm ok basing things on but 500 in the hospital out of 3.9 million people is kind of low.

Serious for older population yes. Over hyped and not as serious as the media is making it out to be Yes. I think we are basing too much on total number of cases. Hospitalization i'm ok basing things on but 500 in the hospital out of 3.9 million people is kind of low.

This is completely contradicted by science. By all means, go to the casino if you want, but this is a baseless comment.

This is completely contradicted by science. By all means, go to the casino if you want, but this is a baseless comment.

Please explain?

Serious for older population yes. Over hyped and not as serious as the media is making it out to be Yes. I think we are basing too much on total number of cases. Hospitalization i'm ok basing things on but 500 in the hospital out of 3.9 million people is kind of low.
At first you were constantly predicting horrible doom and gloom numbers. Now you’ve totally flipped. I think you’re just sick of being cooped up. So go live life if you’re now convinced it’s all overblown. I will keep being safe.

Speaking of that:

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Well, but, to be fair, you can't attribute all those deaths to the Titanic sinking. Some people died in the water.

At first you were constantly predicting horrible doom and gloom numbers. Now you’ve totally flipped. I think you’re just sick of being cooped up. So go live life if you’re now convinced it’s all overblown. I will keep being safe.

I'm just trying to look at it from a different point of view. I am starting to question these numbers. How do you keep around 500 in the hospital for over 2 months? Everyone talks about spikes. Where were the spikes in hospitals after July 4th They went up about 100 people. 100 people out of 3.9 million in the state? What if we would go back to testing people with only symptoms. I bet you cases per day go way down. So yes after 6 months I am starting to question some of this. I'm sure others are too but too afraid to speak up. This is a senior citizen pandemic. Just like H1N1 was affecting younger kids.

I'm just trying to look at it from a different point of view. I am starting to question these numbers. How do you keep around 500 in the hospital for over 2 months? Everyone talks about spikes. Where were the spikes in hospitals after July 4th They went up about 100 people. 100 people out of 3.9 million in the state? What if we would go back to testing people with only symptoms. I bet you cases per day go way down. So yes after 6 months I am starting to question some of this. I'm sure others are too but too afraid to speak up. This is a senior citizen pandemic. Just like H1N1 was affecting younger kids.
Again. Give up. Go party on. The sensible science believing and data understanding of us will continue to take this virus seriously. I am however a caring human being and wish you the best.

What if we would go back to testing people with only symptoms. I bet you cases per day go way down.

Of course they would. That's a sucker bet. Test less people, gross cases go down. By that same logic, if you count less sheep, the flock gets smaller.

Start posting the science start posting the facts. I see a lot of finger pointing with nothing to back it up. I want to see your science and your numbers. I posted mine .

I'll start the death rate for people under 65 is .2% and that is just based of confirmed cases which you figure people that had it and never tested it's even lower. .07 for people under 50

Start posting the science start posting the facts. I see a lot of finger pointing with nothing to back it up. I want to see your science and your numbers. I posted mine .
You have posted no numbers that made any sense at all. If they do please explain them.

This is a senior citizen pandemic. Just like H1N1 was affecting younger kids.

Just to be clear, which demographic are we supposed to not care about?

Start posting the science start posting the facts. I see a lot of finger pointing with nothing to back it up. I want to see your science and your numbers. I posted mine .

No you didn't. You posted a YouTube video.

https://news.google.com/covid19/map?hl=en-US&mid=%2Fm%2F02j71&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

Just to be clear, which demographic are we supposed to not care about?Another odd change. For months he preached about how we needed to look out for the vulnerable older people. Now it’s only about them so no big deal.

March, April, May, June total cases 13,435 July 15th 613 in the Hospital
July, Aug total cases 45,118 September 15th 528 in the Hospital

More number from directly from the Oklahoma Health Department

March, April, May, June total cases 13,435 July 15th 613 in the Hospital
July, Aug total cases 45,118 September 15th 528 in the Hospital

More number from directly from the Oklahoma Health Department

You cool with that?

Another odd change. For months he preached about how we needed to look out for the vulnerable older people. Now it’s only about them so no big deal.

It's the internet, afterall.

Another odd change. For months he preached about how we needed to look out for the vulnerable older people. Now it’s only about them so no big deal.

It's also about the suicide rate that are high, the kids that are not getting that in school learning and human interaction, the business that will be closed forever. The families that are losing everything.

It's also about the suicide rate that are high, the kids that are not getting that in school learning and human interaction, the business that will be closed forever. The families that are losing everything.

You're right. It is all that. That's what we're dealing with.

You're right. It is all that. That's what we're dealing with.

Where is the balance though between locking thing up but yet keeping thing moving. Getting people in casinos getting people out to eat. I think right now we are doing it wrong just based off of cases and test. There have been 12 studies recently posted questioning the PCR test and how sensitive they are and how they are picking up too much of the virus in people. Of the 1,000 people today how many are shredding the virus?

P.S i'm out for the night it's been fun y'all stay safe :)

And to think this wasn’t supposed to be a “political thread.” I’m astonished as to how divided we have become that the CDC is considered by some to “have an agenda.” This whole situation is sad, but throw in the mainstreaming of the random guy on the Internet spouting silly conspiracy theories, and it’s gone from sad to maddeningly pathetic.

In no way has Oklahoma flattened the curve, unless you want to count maintaining all-time highs for extended periods.

Compared to higher population density states Oklahoma is is flatter. I'm only giving brownie points to California since they are actually keeping on track with Oklahoma regardless of their size. These other states had huge outbreaks compared to what occurred in Oklahoma. Their past failure is now their "success". I was going to include New York but they blow up the graph.

I said flattening the curve due to population density, didn't mean to imply we had anything to do with it.

https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=states-normalized&highlight=(None)&show=highlight-only&y=both&scale=linear&data=deaths-daily-7&data-source=jhu&xaxis=right&extra=Texas%2CFlorida%2COklahoma%2CCalifornia%2CMi ssissippi%2CLouisiana#states-normalized

To kukblue1's credit there is a growing disconnect between cases and deaths in Europe. Their growth in cases restarted about 80 days ago. Our first wave hasn't finished yet though out pandemic is still very much real.


https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=countries&highlight=United%20Kingdom&show=highlight-only&y=both&scale=linear&data=cases-daily-7&data-source=jhu&xaxis=right&extra=France%2CSpain%2C(None)&extraData=deaths-daily-7&extraDataScale=separately#countries

Uh, oh, COVID hospitalizations in Stillwater Regional Hospital has doubled to 8 as of September 17, 2020.

To kukblue1's credit there is a growing disconnect between cases and deaths in Europe. Their growth in cases restarted about 80 days ago. Our first wave hasn't finished yet though out pandemic is still very much real.


https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=countries&highlight=United%20Kingdom&show=highlight-only&y=both&scale=linear&data=cases-daily-7&data-source=jhu&xaxis=right&extra=France%2CSpain%2C(None)&extraData=deaths-daily-7&extraDataScale=separately#countries


I'll agree with other that the USA isn't there just yet but we have different Climates. If you watched the video I posted it makes sense why we still have deaths. The south and the midwest are in the "hump" which is causing our deaths to be higher. We all had the curve and then the downward trend at the start. However USA had that second hump if you will that was cause of states like Texas, Arizona, California. It's going to be intresting to see what happens in the next couple months. With the colder weather coming we are going to see more cases but are we going to see more deaths? I think we are heading towards the casedmic.

Does anyone have numbers for just Oklahoma Metro. Total cases vs total deaths?

This is totally moronic. This virus attacks any weakness, just like AIDS. People didn’t die of AIDS. They died of “complications related to AIDS.” Dude, that is how viruses kill people.

If you have heart problems, COVID will exploit those problems and kill you. It attacks every organ and any weakness in your immune system. Your comment is ridiculously stupid and completely debunked by any credible disease specialist.

this is not a factual statement

1,249 new cases today, an all-time high. 7-day rolling average now 989.

318 new cases in OK County.

516 currently hospitalized in the state.

9 additional reported deaths.

Is the combo of Labor Day and schools starting to hit Oklahoma a County?

It’s still a smaller number, but the percentage of cases who are <18 is growing as well.

Is the combo of Labor Day and schools starting to hit Oklahoma a County?

Yep.

BTW, despite the "OKC is doing sooo great" rhetoric, today's numbers reveal that OK County had more than 25% percent of the cases in the state while only having 20% of the population.

BTW, despite the "OKC is doing sooo great" rhetoric, today's numbers reveal that OK County had more than 25% percent of the cases in the state while only having 20% of the population.

25% of new cases are in OK county, or 25% of active cases are in OK county?

25% of new cases are in OK county, or 25% of active cases are in OK county?

New cases from today.

this is not a factual statement

Another vacuous drive-by post.

It's interesting to note that Oklahoma has had almost as many cases per capita as California, and we are rapidly closing what once was a huge gap.

We should pass them very soon.

What happened today? WaPo covid tracker listing over 3,400 deaths so far today. Did some state(s) change their reporting?

It turns out NY reported over 2,700 deaths today. Haven't heard why yet.

Here, only 9 deaths are shown for NY (which happens to be the number Oklahoma reported as well):

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/national/coronavirus-us-cases-deaths/?itid=sf_coronavirus_subnav

1,237 today, highest Saturday?

1,237 today, highest Saturday?

Not quite. 1,237 cases today; 7-day rolling average now 1,021 which is 70 cases from the all-time peak.

258 new cases in OK County.

4 additional deaths statewide.

I don’t know about you guys, but I’m really getting burnt out in regards to this pandemic. I look forward to the day with relish where we can watch a sporting event without a reminder of covid, go to a restaurant, or take my son to the toy store.

I don’t know about you guys, but I’m really getting burnt out in regards to this pandemic. I look forward to the day with relish where we can watch a sporting event without a reminder of covid, go to a restaurant, or take my son to the toy store.
I’m 100% with you! I posted a page or two ago that it hurts to not go somewhere loud and crazy to watch OU football. Or go out and see our friends at our favorite restaurants. But even more serious than that I haven’t seen my mom since March. They finally allow one family member, not one at a time, just one period, to see her for 15 minutes a week outside in the courtyard. We chose my oldest sister because they were always closest. My sister says mom is slipping which she was already so I expected as much. I’m thinking it’s likely I won’t see mom alive again. My first grandson is a year and a half old and my first granddaughter is one month. I’m scared to be around them, and haven’t been, because I’m working, doing the shopping and whatever being out we have to do so if it could be brought into the family it would be me that brought it. Not risking it. I can’t wait for this crap to be done so I can treat the people and things I love like I love them. And I hate, HATE, seeing so many just not taking it seriously or worse not caring about anyone but their self righteous selves and not trying to help end this virus.

I’m 100% with you! I posted a page or two ago that it hurts to not go somewhere loud and crazy to watch OU football. Or go out and see our friends at our favorite restaurants. But even more serious than that I haven’t seen my mom since March. They finally allow one family member, not one at a time, just one period, to see her for 15 minutes a week outside in the courtyard. We chose my oldest sister because they were always closest. My sister says mom is slipping which she was already so I expected as much. I’m thinking it’s likely I won’t see mom alive again. My first grandson is a year and a half old and my first granddaughter is one month. I’m scared to be around them, and haven’t been, because I’m working, doing the shopping and whatever being out we have to do so if it could be brought into the family it would be me that brought it. Not risking it. I can’t wait for this crap to be done so I can treat the people and things I love like I love them. And I hate, HATE, seeing so many just not taking it seriously or worse not caring about anyone but their self righteous selves and not trying to help end this virus.

I hear this. I have a grandmother in Washington state who has gone 6 months without seeing a visitor. Day in and day out of waking up, walking to the living room to watch TV then walking back to bed. It breaks my heart, and this all has to continue for who knows how long because folks are acting like there’s no pandemic.

I typically venture out on Sunday evening to pickup a to go order, but did it yesterday at 6 instead.

By the places that are busy and the number of people without mask on, no wonder we are 5th in the nation in covid rates.

Schools are now the top source of spread in Tulsa County..

https://ktul.com/news/local/schools-identified-as-1-source-for-covid-outbreaks-in-tulsa?fbclid=IwAR3Jhu-tCvTt5Ke_jUtrD52vHKAPNSX90iu7YMXOPSq2aC71jGSdvn-iXts

1,003 for today.

That's over 1,000 cases 4 days in a row, the first time that has happened.

7-day rolling average 1,065.

125 new cases in OK County.

3 additional deaths.

That's over 1,000 cases 4 days in a row, the first time that has happened.

7-day rolling average 1,065.

125 new cases in OK County.

3 additional deaths.

Do you happen to have OK County's seven-day average?