COVID-19 (coronavirus) vaccine: Get the facts (https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-vaccine/art-20484859)

More than just that, biochemical engineering has advanced in amazing ways since vaccines were originally developed. It's a different playing field than it used to be.

More than just that, biochemical engineering has advanced in amazing ways since vaccines were originally developed. It's a different playing field than it used to be.

And the whole world working on this together while pouring unlimited money into it.

Medicine has changed a lot over the last 100 years. Plus we have been working on cornoviruses for years. I'm not shocked if we have something by the end of the year.

On another 7 day average is as high as it was in Aug? Are mask really working? If so How?

Also I want more detail on Hospitalization. They have been 500-560 now for well over a month. How are they same about leaving that are coming in with the high numbers we have. Or of those 500 plus in the hospitals how many have been over a month. That would make a huge difference. You have 550 in the hospital but if 300 of them have been in there for over a month then you have only had 250 in and out over the last month. I kind of feel like we are not getting the whole story on hospitalizations.

Medicine has changed a lot over the last 100 years. Plus we have been working on cornoviruses for years. I'm not shocked if we have something by the end of the year.

On another 7 day average is as high as it was in Aug? Are mask really working? If so How?

Also I want more detail on Hospitalization. They have been 500-560 now for well over a month. How are they same about leaving that are coming in with the high numbers we have. Or of those 500 plus in the hospitals how many have been over a month. That would make a huge difference. You have 550 in the hospital but if 300 of them have been in there for over a month then you have only had 250 in and out over the last month. I kind of feel like we are not getting the whole story on hospitalizations.Just to the mask question. If they are working, and I think they are working, think what the numbers would be without them. There are too many asymptomatic, non-mask wearing people out there spreading the virus to hope for cases to go down for a while. Probably until we have a vaccine. Staying level is the best we can hope for.

Are mask really working? If so How?

They have to be worn to work.

And again. We now have in person school starting so I expected cases to go up. There is no way you have that many people in a building without this spreading.

Not in the top 11 of growing states

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/13/coronavirus-cases-are-growing-in-11-us-states.html?recirc=taboolainternal

Probably until we have a vaccine. Staying level is the best we can hope for.

And, even then, people have to actually get the vaccine.

Are the people that are in favor of it spreading now, or doing nothing to help stop the spread, going to get a vaccine?

Not in the top 11 of growing states

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/13/coronavirus-cases-are-growing-in-11-us-states.html?recirc=taboolainternal

Week over week #8 in increase per capita as of 09/07:

Midwest states are seeing an uptick in COVID-19 cases. Here's how the virus is spreading, state by state (https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2020/09/11/states-where-the-virus-spread-is-slowing-and-where-its-still-getting-worse/113705356/)

And they haven't gone down since then.

Just to the mask question. If they are working, and I think they are working, think what the numbers would be without them. There are too many asymptomatic, non-mask wearing people out there spreading the virus to hope for cases to go down for a while. Probably until we have a vaccine. Staying level is the best we can hope for.

Agree but other states numbers seem to be coming down where Oklahoma just stays steady. Why? New York City has less cases than Oklahoma?

Agree but other states numbers seem to be coming down where Oklahoma just stays steady. Why?

Some states are going down but many are still going up.

White House report places Oklahoma in top 5 for positive test rate and daily COVID-19 cases (https://oklahoman.com/article/5671742/white-house-report-places-oklahoma-in-top-5-for-positive-test-rate-and-daily-covid-19-cases)


Oklahoma continues to one of the states hit hardest by COVID-19, according to a new report from the White House Coronavirus Task Force.

Oklahoma has the fourth-highest test-positivity rate in the nation as well as the fifth-highest new COVID-19 cases daily rate per capita, according to the report released on Wednesday.

The new rankings place Oklahoma in the “red zone” for the 10th straight week dating back to the first week of July as the state continues to see more than 100 new cases per 100,000 population.

Agree but other states numbers seem to be coming down where Oklahoma just stays steady. Why? New York City has less cases than Oklahoma?

Unfortunately, we're not steady. It's been going up.

But the main difference is most likely in differences in behavior. For example, I don't think you can go to bars in NYC, yet, and restaurants haven't opened indoor dining. We've been able to do that here for months without masks. Large indoor gatherings seem to drive the caseload and increases the most. We have had them for awhile now and they haven't.

For those that might work out a lot, consider this story about COVID-19 effects on the heart...
https://www.wired.com/story/if-youve-just-had-covid-exercise-might-not-be-good-for-you/

Even with cities having mandatory mask ordinances, many people still chose to not comply. Case in point, going into Lowe's in Edmond an hour before closing, I would guess about 3/4 of the people coming in to shop did not have masks on. Also I wonder how many people are not wearing masks at their churches? How many chose to or say " God will protect me". We wear our seat belts and not just say God will protect me. God works through our actions for good. WEar your mask. I am also getting tired of being called a sheep for wearing one. One does not have to believe that they work, one can wear one out of belief in following the law and as a charity to other that do. Through out this, I am seeing a lot less good manners as well as charity for others. One case in point is while shopping at Aldis a man came up right me behind me and reached over/around me to pick up an item. How is it ever right for a strange man to get right behind as in a few inches from a woman and do this?? How would you fathers or husbands feel about this happening to your daughter or wife. Common people, what has happened to people??

Why should I care, I’m not at risk?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/09/15/maine-wedding-covid/

Do we have a casedemic https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=8UvFhIFzaac&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR0zN24sjOzAM9_FHm8adt9UTLQRQ0HEK9Oat4PX8 NGhRJeMzEXGPZiASG8

Long skip the first half if you like. 22 minute mark is good start Are we testing too much? Are the test picking up too much of the virus? Do we have a casedemic?

Anyone notice in the new iOS update they added exposure notifications. It keeps a log on your location and can cross reference that with reports of those who tested positive for COVID and alert you. I thought that was pretty cool so I tried turning it on and since I’m in Oklahoma right now I selected my region and it said local health authorities have not authorized this type of technology to be used. Shame. I’d like here more from those who have used it elsewhere.

Anyone notice in the new iOS update they added exposure notifications. It keeps a log on your location and can cross reference that with reports of those who tested positive for COVID and alert you. I thought that was pretty cool so I tried turning it on and since I’m in Oklahoma right now I selected my region and it said local health authorities have not authorized this type of technology to be used. Shame. I’d like here more from those who have used it elsewhere.

Ya it was in 13.7. Not available in Oklahoma.

There was a video on KFOR this morning of Edmond parents and students protesting for 5 day a week live school. There were also a lot of “Masks Suck”, “Stop The Mask Madness”, etc. Is it any wonder we have a problem with this virus?

There was a video on KFOR this morning of Edmond parents and students protesting for 5 day a week live school. There were also a lot of “Masks Suck”, “Stop The Mask Madness”, etc. Is it any wonder we have a problem with this virus?

Are we having any more of a problem with this virus than other viruses? Is it just cause the cases at too sensitive? The video I posted is very interesting. Explains a lot.

Do we have a casedemic https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=8UvFhIFzaac&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR0zN24sjOzAM9_FHm8adt9UTLQRQ0HEK9Oat4PX8 NGhRJeMzEXGPZiASG8

Long skip the first half if you like. 22 minute mark is good start Are we testing too much? Are the test picking up too much of the virus? Do we have a casedemic?
He emphasizes Europe having a casedemic based on lots of new cases being recorded but much lower hospitalizations and deaths than in the past. We have been level or barely going down in hospitalizations since July. Deaths are going up on a 7 day average. So his concept really doesn’t fit us. Yet. Hopefully.

Wish we could be more like Spain arresting the surfer that refused to self-quarantine. (Cue the "that would make us fascist, take away all our liberties, we aren't in martial law, all that other BS" crying.).

No, it [the video] doesn’t

Testing doesn’t create cases, the virus doesn’t care if we know that it inside a person. The same people are sick regardless of testing, and the same person is infectious regardless of testing. 190,000+ people are dead because of the virus, not because of testing. Countless others will have long term health complications because of the virus, not be abuse of testing.

The only thing testing provides is the ability to track cases, contacts, and to isolate infectious people to help slow down the spread. That’s it, that’s all it does, that’s all it has ever done. And our percentage of positives is still high enough to show that we are not catching enough people.

There was a video on KFOR this morning of Edmond parents and students protesting for 5 day a week live school. There were also a lot of “Masks Suck”, “Stop The Mask Madness”, etc. Is it any wonder we have a problem with this virus?

I think there is more antimask people in Edmond then other places in Oklahoma. My observation.

Are we having any more of a problem with this virus than other viruses? Is it just cause the cases at too sensitive? The video I posted is very interesting. Explains a lot.

Yes, we are. Jeez. Really?

Yes, we are. Jeez. Really?

This virus is more deadly no question about that. However it's kind of following the course of all other viruses. Are the test are too sensitive. Are the test picking up dead cells. People are still testing positive for months afterwards. Is it really cause they are still infected or are the test giving too many false positives? If the average hospital stay is only 5 days according to Mr Stitt today then why are the numbers not going up or down very much? Are 30 people leaving the hospital and 15 more coming in. 30 leave in 5 days 40 come in that seems odd to me. Could it be that there is a group that is sick and been in the hospital for a while? Are there any sites that give the total number of discharged vs the number of new people coming in?

We had a casedemic with H1N1 also.

The results on page 1 of a google search for “casedemic” paints a good picture of where the argument originates and is spread.

the problem with the masks, and let me preface with that I wear one all the time in public when i am around people.

the 1st 2 months of this thing, the CDC and Fauci said that make didnt work against the virus, so no point in wearing them.

then the next 5 months we were told that a person should wear a masks to save other people. The other persons mask was to protect you from getting the virus.

Yesterday the CDC director said the mask will protect the wearer better than a vaccine?? I thought the mask was to prevent other people from getting your droplets and not for your own protection?

Its getting confusing......

March, April, May, June total cases 13,435 July 15th 613 in the Hospital
July, Aug total cases 45,118 September 15th 528 in the Hospital

More testing yes? More young sick yes? Cases too sensitive Maybe?

1,034 new cases today; 7-day rolling average now 945.

165 new cases in OK County.

516 currently hospitalized.

6 more deaths.

March, April, May, June total cases 13,435 July 15th 613 in the Hospital
July, Aug total cases 45,118 September 15th 528 in the Hospital

More testing yes? More young sick yes? Cases too sensitive Maybe?

The number of people dying has gone up significantly, so this is a silly argument.

the problem with the masks, and let me preface with that I wear one all the time in public when i am around people.

the 1st 2 months of this thing, the CDC and Fauci said that make didnt work against the virus, so no point in wearing them.

then the next 5 months we were told that a person should wear a masks to save other people. The other persons mask was to protect you from getting the virus.

Yesterday the CDC director said the mask will protect the wearer better than a vaccine?? I thought the mask was to prevent other people from getting your droplets and not for your own protection?

Its getting confusing......Getting? Has been for a while. Just gets more so every day.

March, April, May, June total cases 13,435 July 15th 613 in the Hospital
July, Aug total cases 45,118 September 15th 528 in the Hospital

More testing yes? More young sick yes? Cases too sensitive Maybe?
You really seem determined today to convince (yourself?) that the virus isn’t as serious as it once was. Maybe because you’re self admittedly stir crazy and want to go out and be normal. So go. But the virus is just as serious as ever or more.

I definitely wish that we had gotten more consistent mask requirement recommendations from the very beginning of the pandemic.

One thing that came out in just the last few days is that way early on the Post Office had plans for mailing disposable masks to everyone in America, but it was quashed because of higher ups not wanting to create a panic. I feel like more of a panic might have been good if it got people to take it more seriously.

You really seem determined today to convince (yourself?) that the virus isn’t as serious as it once was. Maybe because you’re self admittedly stir crazy and want to go out and be normal. So go. But the virus is just as serious as ever or more.

I'm not really saying that per say but I can see where other people are coming from I'm just trying to look at it from a different viewpoint I'm still not going out and I'm still not going anywhere Tuesday was my only hurrah for a awhile that being said people want to look at the science and the number and when I post science and numbers people still don't want to listen. Do you have the answer as to why we have like 45,000 cases and no more in the hospital than what we had when we only had 13,000 cases? There is way more going on than any of us know

I'm not really saying that per say but I can see where other people are coming from I'm just trying to look at it from a different viewpoint I'm still not going out and I'm still not going anywhere Tuesday was my only hurrah for a awhile that being said people want to look at the science and the number and when I post science and numbers people still don't want to listen. Do you have the answer as to why we have like 45,000 cases and no more in the hospital than what we had when we only had 13,000 cases? There is way more going on than any of us know

Why oh why are people always listening to some quack or Facebook conspiracy theorists or anyone with a Youtube account????

This country has an entire crew of scientists that do this all day, every day, are not politically aligned and universally respected. They offer great, comprehensive data and clear advice.

It's very simple: follow what THEY are saying and stop listening to a bunch of random people on the internet.

The fact that people refuse to do this has caused our great and rich country to be way worse off than just about everywhere else, including a bunch of 3rd world places with a tiny fraction of our resources. And it's killing people, our economy and way of life in the process.

I definitely wish that we had gotten more consistent mask requirement recommendations from the very beginning of the pandemic.

One thing that came out in just the last few days is that way early on the Post Office had plans for mailing disposable masks to everyone in America, but it was quashed because of higher ups not wanting to create a panic. I feel like more of a panic might have been good if it got people to take it more seriously.

Wait, my mistake on this, they would have been reusable masks which honestly makes much more sense. So much sense that it didn't happen.

I'm not really saying that per say but I can see where other people are coming from I'm just trying to look at it from a different viewpoint I'm still not going out and I'm still not going anywhere Tuesday was my only hurrah for a awhile that being said people want to look at the science and the number and when I post science and numbers people still don't want to listen. Do you have the answer as to why we have like 45,000 cases and no more in the hospital than what we had when we only had 13,000 cases? There is way more going on than any of us know
It sounds like you’re comparing total cumulative cases with current hospitalizations. Apples and oranges. If not please explain what you are saying.

It sounds like you’re comparing total cumulative cases with current hospitalizations. Apples and oranges. If not please explain what you are saying.

Just wondering why we have so many more cases and not any more hospitalizations. Also take into account how many never got tested that probably had the virus. I'm not trying to downplay the virus but i also do think it's somewhat over hyped or going in that direction. How come there has been nothing on the news local or National about the possible treatment that was found from the university of Pittsburgh

Why oh why are people always listening to some quack or Facebook conspiracy theorists or anyone with a Youtube account????

This country has an entire crew of scientists that do this all day, every day, are not politically aligned and universally respected. They offer great, comprehensive data and clear advice.

It's very simple: follow what THEY are saying and stop listening to a bunch of random people on the internet.

The fact that people refuse to do this has caused our great and rich country to be way worse off than just about everywhere else, including a bunch of 3rd world places with a tiny fraction of our resources. And it's killing people, our economy and way of life in the process.

Numbers don't like though. That video I posted is straight up facts and numbers. Are we way worse off than others? Last time i checked we were 9th in total deaths per capital. Actual numbers. Why can't people look at different points of view?

Numbers may not lie, but they can be used in poor contexts, spun maliciously, or interpreted by people who don't have the knowledge, training, or experience necessary to accurately interpret them.

What Pete is saying is that there are people who have that training, knowledge, and experience necessary to interpret the numbers and provide guidance, without political spin as so many pundits and "content creators" do, that you should be paying attention to.

This virus is more deadly no question about that. However it's kind of following the course of all other viruses. Are the test are too sensitive. Are the test picking up dead cells. People are still testing positive for months afterwards. Is it really cause they are still infected or are the test giving too many false positives? If the average hospital stay is only 5 days according to Mr Stitt today then why are the numbers not going up or down very much? Are 30 people leaving the hospital and 15 more coming in. 30 leave in 5 days 40 come in that seems odd to me. Could it be that there is a group that is sick and been in the hospital for a while? Are there any sites that give the total number of discharged vs the number of new people coming in?

We had a casedemic with H1N1 also.

1. Some people continue to test positive long after initial contraction but it doesn't mean they are still contagious. This is not new information.

2. Governor Stitt has lied repeatedly; I would recommend taking literally anything he says with a grain of salt. We also know the color-coded county map that he had created is complete BS. He doesn't follow through on what he said he would and completely misstates facts or gaslights.

3. We know that as time has gone on, hospitals have become better at treatment as they have learned more about how to deal with it. Magic bullet? Absolutely not, as our rising death rate affirms.

4. Re: "Could it be there is a group that is sick and been in the hospital a while?" Yes, this has been discussed repeatedly. Also, remember that hospitalizations and deaths are lagging indicators. We should only now begin to start seeing the results of sending common and higher education students back to school.

I think it is important also to recognize that the general benchmarks we are looking at are not necessarily transparent or consistent, such as hospitalizations. While I cannot prove it, it seems clear the state is trying to minimize reporting about outbreaks in schools (as they have admitted). I believe it is because they want to force schools to stay open (although I cannot prove that).

There's really nothing groundbreaking here. The state is experiencing an escalated level of cases, starting about September 1. We should be seeing the hospitalization numbers tick up (if they are being transparently reported) starting next week, as has been the case EVERY TIME we have seen an uptick in new cases. There's nothing new that will have changed that.

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We are 11th in deaths per capita out of 215 countries with reported cases and have been steadily moving up that list and continue to do so. We lost 1,150 people yesterday alone and have way more deaths than anywhere else, now over 200,000 (!!) and counting.

The scientific method -- which the CDC follows rigorously -- accounts for different points of view by peer-based evaluation and constant improvement of the data, theories and information.

And when you go trolling around for 'different points of view' it's generally because you don't like the hard answers science is providing and thus latch on to the wide variety of craziness on the internet that reinforces what you want to believe.

THAT is what has led this country to do such a horrible job in dealing with this mess in the first place.

The number of people dying has gone up significantly, so this is a silly argument.

Significantly based off of what? Not based off total number of cases. May 2,811 cases 112 deaths 4% July 22,695 cases 154 deaths .6%. August was bad and All deaths are bad but I wouldn't say we have had a huge jump based on cases. The more people you test the more cases you will find but of those cases that you are finding how many are shredding the virus? Are 1,000 people a day in Oklahoma getting sick testing positive and shredding the virus? Do you really believe that? If you do that is fine that is your view point. I don't think that is the case and that is my view point.

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Your point is that things aren't as bad as they may seem.

How can that be true when large numbers of people are still dying more than 6 months into this?

It's really that simple.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/29/health/coronavirus-testing.html

https://www.wtae.com/article/pitt-scientists-new-drug-discovery-covid-19-ab8/34017819#

Significantly based off of what? Not based off total number of cases. May 2,811 cases 112 deaths 4% July 22,695 cases 154 deaths .6%. August was bad and All deaths are bad but I wouldn't say we have had a huge jump based on cases. The more people you test the more cases you will find but of those cases that you are finding how many are shredding the virus? Are 1,000 people a day in Oklahoma getting sick testing positive and shredding the virus? Do you really believe that? If you do that is fine that is your view point. I don't think that is the case and that is my view point.

Dude, maybe you should take a break. You are ignoring information that has been common knowledge since this began. Namely, A F*CKTON of people carry this virus without symptoms.

Your dubious argument seems to be that "we have more cases now why not more hospitalizations?" The answer is obvious: we are merely discovering more cases than before (although there are probably many more) and a lot of them are asymptomatic.

You also ignore what Pete and others here are trying to help you understand: Hospitalizations are lagging indicators behind new cases. So, as a reminder, we began to see our total positives tick up around the first of the month. That means starting next week we should start seeing a corresponding uptick in hospitalizations.

It is also likely that a lot of the new cases are schoolchildren, who don't end up often needing hospitalization. This is still bad because some of the complications this causes in children are damaging and scary, much else is unknown, and importantly these children will end up getting their family members sick, leading to more dire consequences.

What we do know as of today are the following:

1. Cases are going up. Not only numerically but our positivity rate remains elevated regardless of how many tests are conducted.

2. More folks are dying.

3. Hospitalizations and deaths are lagging indicators of new cases, so we should expect our hospitalizations and deaths to begin rising as early as next week.

16456 16457In July, Aug and Sept the average lines for new cases and deaths almost match. There is no case to be made that new cases have gone way up and deaths have gone down.

Interesting chart from mayor holt comparing OKC to other major cities across the states:

https://www.facebook.com/812100205609960/posts/1767646423388662/?extid=8SqkUZsAGEV4iD31&d=n

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Your point is that things aren't as bad as they may seem.

How can that be true when large numbers of people are still dying more than 6 months into this?

It's really that simple.

Many of the deaths are not directly from Covid. If someone goes in the Hosp for whatever reason and dies and they have a positive test it is marked as Covid. That is what some of the DRs are coming forth and saying.

Now if you are listening to CNN and some other news media it's all Covid all the time. Yes it's bad but they have inflated the numbers IMO.

Many of the deaths are not directly from Covid. If someone goes in the Hosp for whatever reason and dies and they have a positive test it is marked as Covid. That is what some of the DRs are coming forth and saying.

Now if you are listening to CNN and some other news media it's all Covid all the time. Yes it's bad but they have inflated the numbers IMO.

This is political crap and an attempt to deflect responsibility.

There are plenty of reports that the number of Covid-related deaths is way under-reported.

If this is true.

It's not. Save this stuff for InfoWars

This is political crap and an attempt to deflect responsibility.

There are plenty of reports that the number of Covid-related deaths is way under-reported.

I have no idea I am just passing on what some of the Docs are coming out saying. Could be BS or could be true but I doubt we will ever really know for sure. Everyone has an agenda and we know that the worst the Dems can make this look the better for them come election time.

Many of the deaths are not directly from Covid. If someone goes in the Hosp for whatever reason and dies and they have a positive test it is marked as Covid. That is what some of the DRs are coming forth and saying.

Now if you are listening to CNN and some other news media it's all Covid all the time. Yes it's bad but they have inflated the numbers IMO.

Good chance people are getting Covid from the hospital. You get a deal! Free sample of covid with your staph infection.

Either way, viruses don't hang out around a R value of 1 forever, infections either go up or down so a long period of flat hospital growth starts to raise eyebrows.

I have no idea I am just passing on what some of the Docs are coming out saying. Could be BS or could be true but I doubt we will ever really know for sure. Everyone has an agenda and we know that the worst the Dems can make this look the better for them come election time.

The CDC doesn't have an agenda.

If you aren't listening to them, then you are the one with the agenda.

I guess no one in Arkansas is actually following the statewide mask mandate they had since early summer?
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Honest question. What is Arkansas mask compliance rate?

I guess no one in Arkansas is actually following the statewide mask mandate they had since early summer?
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Honest question. What is Arkansas mask compliance rate?

Or they are merely doing about the same as Oklahoma, which is hit and miss and then not following the other recommendations. Masks are only part of the equation, after all.

We all know compliance is based very strongly on political persuasion and Arkansas is very similar to Oklahoma in that respect.

I guess no one in Arkansas is actually following the statewide mask mandate they had since early summer?
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Honest question. What is Arkansas mask compliance rate?

or they are having a casedemic. :)

I guess no one in Arkansas is actually following the statewide mask mandate they had since early summer?

Apparently not.


Honest question. What is Arkansas mask compliance rate?

We'll never know that because it's not enforced. You can't come up with a rate of compliance for a statute if no one is keeping track of infractions. I guess you can guess at it. To do that, you might start with that graph.