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d-usa
09-06-2020, 02:58 PM
I heard a an older guy just yesterday tell a worker at oncue that if God intended us to wear masks we would have been born with one. He just continued on to his shopping and cashier didn't say anything else. Not sure if anything else was said later since I was checking out and leaving. But point is, I don't think Oncue is refusing anyone with or without masks.

And if God wanted him to travel long distances he would have been born with better legs instead of having to drive around in a car, but I guess that’s different.

BG918
09-06-2020, 03:53 PM
I dont think they pay their employees enough to care.

But I have to give it up to Target. They are doing a great job of enforcing masks.

I think a lot if it has to do with clientele. Let me put it this way. I would expect to see a lot more people complaining about a mask mandate at your local Walmart than a Target.

Yes no issues at Whole Foods for the same reason.

Edmond Hausfrau
09-06-2020, 05:21 PM
I heard a an older guy just yesterday tell a worker at oncue that if God intended us to wear masks we would have been born with one. He just continued on to his shopping and cashier didn't say anything else. Not sure if anything else was said later since I was checking out and leaving. But point is, I don't think Oncue is refusing anyone with or without masks.

I've been wondering if it wouldn't be smarter for private businesses to empower their workers to reward patrons who wear masks, rather than having them fight with those who refuse.
Like if that OnCue worker could then give a free fountain drink to the guy wearing a mask stuck behind the jackass refusing to wear a mask, maybe behavior would change.

mkjeeves
09-06-2020, 10:48 PM
I've been wondering if it wouldn't be smarter for private businesses to empower their workers to reward patrons who wear masks, rather than having them fight with those who refuse.
Like if that OnCue worker could then give a free fountain drink to the guy wearing a mask stuck behind the jackass refusing to wear a mask, maybe behavior would change.

Mark everything up 50% and you get a discount of 50% with a mask.

soonerguru
09-06-2020, 11:55 PM
And this is why we find ourselves in this outrageous situation. It’s not just the masks in stores. That is an indicator. It indicates the blatant disregard for the virus. If this country and state had competent and consistent leadership we would be in a better place to deal with this.

foodiefan
09-07-2020, 08:12 AM
Yes no issues at Whole Foods for the same reason.

. . .also Sprouts @63rd/May

rwalker
09-07-2020, 08:25 AM
And this is why we find ourselves in this outrageous situation. It’s not just the masks in stores. That is an indicator. It indicates the blatant disregard for the virus. If this country and state had competent and consistent leadership we would be in a better place to deal with this.

it’s less of a leadership issue and more of a “Rugged American Exceptionalism” issue. Mandates are in place, after all.

Rover
09-07-2020, 08:43 AM
it’s less of a leadership issue and more of a “Rugged American Exceptionalism” issue. Mandates are in place, after all.

It is rugged Armerican ignorance issue following agenda driven persons in positions of power and influence. There’s nothing exceptional about being careless , ignorant and undisciplined. Maybe it’s just Rugged American Arrogance.

jerrywall
09-07-2020, 08:46 AM
it’s less of a leadership issue and more of a “Rugged American Exceptionalism” issue. Mandates are in place, after all.

If back in April (or even May) we had had clear leadership on masks, massive campaigns and propaganda supporting mask wearing, and our top leaders always wearing masks, we'd have had a much higher compliance rate and we'd probably be in a much better position overall. I agree that there is a inately American resistance to mandates and sacrifice, but I believe it's not insurmountable. But there hasn't really been an attempt. Saying "oh well, I support masks, I guess" isn't really leadership. And with so many leaders seeming to be afraid to be photographed wearing a mask it's no wonder were still debating masks this far in.

oklip955
09-07-2020, 10:07 AM
Yep on a google group that I belong to, and yes they are still around, people are still arguing that masks do not good and are harmfull. Of course they are saying that covid 19 is not that bad and most of the people dying are really dying of other chronic health issues. ugh.

Pete
09-07-2020, 11:28 AM
613 new cases today; 7-day rolling average is 784.

No additional reported deaths.

d-usa
09-07-2020, 12:26 PM
So tomorrow will be the first set of numbers with the new methodology?

BDP
09-07-2020, 12:28 PM
I heard a an older guy just yesterday tell a worker at oncue that if God intended us to wear masks we would have been born with one.

Was he wearing shoes?

C_M_25
09-07-2020, 01:42 PM
Do we have any locations that are using the new saliva rapid tests?

kukblue1
09-07-2020, 04:54 PM
Is the Jeff Dunham Tour still scheduled for the Peak on Oct 1st? I haven't see anything saying it's cancelled. Will this be the first big event at the Peak since all this started?

Bill Robertson
09-07-2020, 07:14 PM
Is the Jeff Dunham Tour still scheduled for the Peak on Oct 1st? I haven't see anything saying it's cancelled. Will this be the first big event at the Peak since all this started?I haven’t seen anything about cancellation of this either. I wouldn’t be comfortable going under any circumstances but I have no problem with those who do go if they take proper precautions. We’ve seen him twice and under normal circumstances we’d be going to this one. He is hilarious!!!!! “Silence!!!!!.........I keeeeelll you!!!!!”

kukblue1
09-07-2020, 07:45 PM
I haven’t seen anything about cancellation of this either. I wouldn’t be comfortable going under any circumstances but I have no problem with those who do go if they take proper precautions. We’ve seen him twice and under north circumstances we’d be going to this one. He is hilarious!!!!! “Silence!!!!!.........I keeeeelll you!!!!!”

I have tickets and kind of feel the same way. If they opened it up for General Admission and let people sit where ever they wanted so they could social distance then I would think about going. Not saying they check tickets that closely but only the lower and club will be open.

Bunty
09-07-2020, 10:26 PM
Westhaven nursing home in Stillwater dealing with COVID-19 outbreak.
https://www.stwnewspress.com/news/westhaven-nursing-home-dealing-with-covid-19-outbreak/article_ce523215-f9c3-5ba3-b17d-25bc4c1e1c08.html?fbclid=IwAR0HfDBf0xvmDMr_DKq13tP PPRg2nIXO1v-JlrOCCxTfwIuYXX2Vg_330yg#utm_campaign=blox&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

LocoAko
09-07-2020, 10:49 PM
Went to Lowe's today on May/36th and it was the worst compliance I've seen anywhere in weeks. I probably saw at least 10 people with no masks at all, and more with gaiters or masks completely below their noses. All this despite a sign claiming masks are required on the door. What a joke. Funny how many kids I saw wearing masks just fine but it's apparently too much of a commitment for many grown men. I got out of there as quickly as I could....

Canoe
09-08-2020, 07:50 AM
Westhaven nursing home in Stillwater dealing with COVID-19 outbreak.
https://www.stwnewspress.com/news/westhaven-nursing-home-dealing-with-covid-19-outbreak/article_ce523215-f9c3-5ba3-b17d-25bc4c1e1c08.html?fbclid=IwAR0HfDBf0xvmDMr_DKq13tP PPRg2nIXO1v-JlrOCCxTfwIuYXX2Vg_330yg#utm_campaign=blox&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

Is it wise to pull your loved one out of a nursing home if you are able to work from home? I am not in this situation, but there are people 20 years older than me who are in this situation. Are you keeping your loved one in a home or are you bringing them home to care for them and why?

I asked because I want to be prepared to give sound advice to friends or family if this topic comes up as we head into the fall.

jn1780
09-08-2020, 08:19 AM
Is it wise to pull your loved one out of a nursing home if you are able to work from home? I am not in this situation, but there are people 20 years older than me who are in this situation. Are you keeping your loved one in a home or are you bringing them home to care for them and why?

I asked because I want to be prepared to give sound advice to friends or family if this topic comes up as we head into the fall.

Probably depends if a family has the time or resources to take care of a loved one that gets pulled out of a nursing home.

I personally believe the nursing home outbreaks are occurring because of this little known fact below. Everyone knows about a certain medical conditions that is pretty common in LTC facilities so you don't really have to use too much of your imagination why its a big problem that covid lasts for a long time in gut. I wouldn't use public restrooms right now for the same reason.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-09-07/covid-19-patients-may-have-prolonged-gut-infection-study-finds

Pete
09-08-2020, 11:05 AM
833 new cases today; 808 7-day rolling average.

1 additional death.

d-usa
09-08-2020, 11:07 AM
One question I have is the reporting requirements, I’ll need to talk to OKCCHD about this. So far we have not reported any positives from rapid tests to the State, since they previously told us that they weren’t counted and didn’t need to be reported.

kukblue1
09-08-2020, 03:42 PM
What sensitive rate is Oklahoma using on testing. I saw the new york times story saying that most states use 37% or 40% sensitive where only 30% is needed and we are detecting people that might even only have a small amount of the virus in their system.

dankrutka
09-08-2020, 06:04 PM
What is your solution to college, just shut down until a vaccine? Go fully online, which doesn't benefit everyone (for a MULTITUDE of reasons).

Hi. College professor here. All my classes have been moved online and it's going well. There are challenges to online learning, but there are also benefits. Moving classes online has definitely been the best approach as it reduces anxiety, provides clarity (no bouncing back and forth between in-person and online depending on situation), and protects our community.

Bill Robertson
09-08-2020, 06:12 PM
Hi. College professor here. All my classes have been moved online and it's going well. There are challenges to online learning, but there are also benefits. Moving classes online has definitely been the best approach.
I have a niece that is in her second year of teaching grade school. They gave students/parents a choice and around 80% went for online learning. My niece got picked to be her grades online teacher. She’s very smart and talented so I think she was a good choice. But she says it’s a lot more work than in person.

dankrutka
09-08-2020, 06:14 PM
^^^
No question that teaching college courses online is easier than doing so in K-12, especially the younger grades. Props to all the teachers out there. It's been really hard on them. Online learning can require so much more labor.

jn1780
09-08-2020, 08:33 PM
I wonder if the community colleges saw a surge enrollment from all this. Not sure why anyone would fork over the money for their core classes online when you can get comparable education somewhere else for far cheaper.

midtownokcer
09-08-2020, 09:35 PM
I wonder if the community colleges saw a surge enrollment from all this. Not sure why anyone would fork over the money for their core classes online when you can get comparable education somewhere else for far cheaper.

I work at a community college. We are down 5-6% in enrollment compared to last fall. It was looking pretty bleak earlier in the summer, when we were thinking we'd be down 25% or so. I think having the option to be completely online sold it for a lot of students.

pw405
09-09-2020, 12:29 AM
Figured I would post some final updates before the counting methodologies change with tomorrow's update. Given the state's prior history with "technology", I am not expecting it to go smoothly.

Month Totals
Cases totals still estimated to be the highest month, but of course the month is still young. I have a feeling the deaths are a bit low over the past few days due to the holiday weekend. The lower deaths over the past few days has brought the deaths/day for September down significantly:

https://i.imgur.com/tHOxM26.png

Average Trends
Average 7-day deaths have fallen ~40% from the recent peaks on August 30th. Certainly a good sign, but I wouldn't be surprised if we see the average come up as any holiday weekend backlogs get cleared out. The 7 day case average still shows a slow march upward - off the recent low of 645 back on Aug 19th to 808 today.

https://i.imgur.com/xWhcDUu.png

Not a ton of new info here - we still see the 7 day leading the 14 day leading the 21 day. IMHO a bad sign and not where we want to be headed.

https://i.imgur.com/QyWFr81.png

Totals
Rolling 14-day new case totals are flirting with breaking 11,000 again, while total 14-day deaths have fallen well below recent peaks: from 142 on Aug 28 to 110 as of Sept 8.
https://i.imgur.com/3bSbUfS.png

jn1780
09-09-2020, 08:29 AM
There has been a noticeable decline in hospitalizations over the past few days. We're down to July levels.
Nationally, were almost down to the early summer low.

Today is the first day of full reporting across the country so it will be interesting if things are still trending down despite an increase from schools. If we only see a small spike two weeks from now, i think its pretty clear we went down the same path as Sweden despite our 'best' efforts and hit the suppression ceiling.

jedicurt
09-09-2020, 09:10 AM
There has been a noticeable decline in hospitalizations over the past few days. We're down to July levels.
Nationally, were almost down to the early summer low.

Today is the first day of full reporting across the country so it will be interesting if things are still trending down despite an increase from schools. If we only see a small spike two weeks from now, i think its pretty clear we went down the same path as Sweden despite our 'best' efforts and hit the suppression ceiling.

except with all of the parties from labor day. we will probably see another increase like we did after memorial day.

Pete
09-09-2020, 09:32 AM
Hospitalizations and deaths are lagging indicators that follow increased cases about 2-4 weeks.

With the recent surge in cases and a strong trend upward, you can bet those numbers will start to head up again.

d-usa
09-09-2020, 10:52 AM
I think it might also be an issue with the urban rural divide creating two separate graphs for the state. The urban areas have treated down, with the hospitalizations following and deaths declining as well. The rural areas have climbed rapidly, and the hospitalizations won’t react to that for another couple of weeks.

And this is where things will also get pretty rough, with large increases in cases in areas with no real ICU options.

Pete
09-09-2020, 11:03 AM
876 new cases reported today.

7-day rolling average now at 830.

9 additional reported deaths.

Bill Robertson
09-09-2020, 11:18 AM
While not good yesterday’s and today’s new cases aren’t as high as I expected with adding rapid tests to the results.

Pete
09-09-2020, 11:58 AM
Other than a 10-day period in late July and early August, the 7-day rolling average is the highest it's ever been and is going up.

With the Labor Day break and the on-going effects of restarting school, I wouldn't be surprised if we are back to all-time highs shortly.

We had 6 months to get out in front of this and now are heading into the colder months at very high levels of infection and all trends heading up. This continues to look like a complete disaster.

Pete
09-09-2020, 12:10 PM
‘Mask Up OKC’ drive-thru disposable mask giveaways planned for September in Oklahoma City
09/09/2020

The City of Oklahoma City, OKC-County Health Department (OCCHD) and Greater Oklahoma City Chamber are hosting a series of drive-thru disposable face mask giveaway events.

The events are on Saturday mornings in September to help Oklahoma City residents prevent the spread of COVID-19 and follow OKC’s mask requirement. Disposable face masks will be distributed at the events while supplies last. Proof of residency is not required.

“I’m proud residents are doing their part to wear their masks and slow the spread of COVID-19,” said Mayor David Holt. “We can’t let our guard down. Wearing a mask is one of the most effective steps we can take to reduce the spread of the virus. Mask up, OKC!”

The distribution will be drive-thru only. Each vehicle will receive one box of 50 disposable masks.


Sept. 12 from 9-11 a.m.
Wiley Post Park Events Center, 2021 S Robinson Ave.
Police and Fire Training Center, 800 N Portland Ave.


Sept. 19 from 9-11 a.m.
Southern Oaks Community Center, 400 SW 66th Street
Classen SAS at Northeast High School, 3100 N Kelley Ave.


“Face coverings are key to slowing the spread of the coronavirus,” said OCCHD Director Dr. Patrick McGough, DNP. “Cases have declined in the metro since Oklahoma City’s emergency mask order was first put in place July 17, and I commend the Oklahoma City Council for extending the ordinance, giving our community more time to slow the spread of the virus.”

CARES Act funding and donations of 20,000 masks by RFIP and 60,000 masks by Bank of America provided the masks for the events.

“The health and safety of our employees, clients and our community remain our top priorities during this health and humanitarian crisis,” said Tony Shinn, Bank of America market president, Oklahoma City. “Partnering with local officials to identify and distribute face masks to areas that are at higher risk from the virus, such as low-to-moderate income families unable to acquire proper masks, and communities of color, in addition to, nonprofits, schools and health centers serving these populations is one way we demonstration our commitment.”

Oklahoma City’s mask ordinance is in place until at least Oct. 20. Everyone age 6 and up is required to wear face coverings in indoor public places, with narrow exceptions. Read more about the ordinance at covid19.okc.gov, including frequently asked questions (FAQs).

Public health officials say face coverings are key to slowing the spread of the coronavirus. Cases have declined in the metro since Oklahoma City’s emergency mask order was first put in place July 17.

Visit covid19.okc.gov for the latest on COVID-19 in Oklahoma City, including data, resources and links to reliable information.

oklip955
09-09-2020, 12:12 PM
Some parent groups of children in Edmond and Deer Creek schools are pushing for a return to traditional in classroom teaching. If this happens then how much more will the numbers go up. We can see what is happening on some college campus.

BoulderSooner
09-09-2020, 12:29 PM
Some parent groups of children in Edmond and Deer Creek schools are pushing for a return to traditional in classroom teaching. If this happens then how much more will the numbers go up. We can see what is happening on some college campus.

schools need to go to 5 days a week

Bill Robertson
09-09-2020, 12:29 PM
Some parent groups of children in Edmond and Deer Creek schools are pushing for a return to traditional in classroom teaching. If this happens then how much more will the numbers go up. We can see what is happening on some college campus.Stillwater parents also.

soonerguru
09-09-2020, 12:37 PM
I think it might also be an issue with the urban rural divide creating two separate graphs for the state. The urban areas have treated down, with the hospitalizations following and deaths declining as well. The rural areas have climbed rapidly, and the hospitalizations won’t react to that for another couple of weeks.

And this is where things will also get pretty rough, with large increases in cases in areas with no real ICU options.

It doesn't really work that way. There are only a handful of decent rural hospitals in the state. Any increases coming from rural areas will impact our large metro-area hospitals.

I am not sure if Mayor Holt or OKC City County Health Department count hospitalizations originating from our county or just hospitalizations within our county. It would be helpful to note that.

Also, I realize we are talking about statewide numbers. My point is that if hundreds of people from Goteba and Wewoka suddenly need to be hospitalized, it is going to impact the urban areas.

Bunty
09-09-2020, 12:49 PM
It doesn't really work that way. There are only a handful of decent rural hospitals in the state. Any increases coming from rural areas will impact our large metro-area hospitals.

I am not sure if Mayor Holt or OKC City County Health Department count hospitalizations originating from our county or just hospitalizations within our county. It would be helpful to note that.

Also, I realize we are talking about statewide numbers. My point is that if hundreds of people from Goteba and Wewoka suddenly need to be hospitalized, it is going to impact the urban areas.

If plenty of older people, such as those past age 65, in rural areas are taking necessary precautions, then their shouldn't need to be many hospitalizations. Case in point, Stillwater Regional Hospital is in a rural area and only has 4 covid patients. Only 2 are in ICU. Total ICU beds 16, 8 used.

d-usa
09-09-2020, 12:53 PM
It doesn't really work that way. There are only a handful of decent rural hospitals in the state. Any increases coming from rural areas will impact our large metro-area hospitals.

I am not sure if Mayor Holt or OKC City County Health Department count hospitalizations originating from our county or just hospitalizations within our county. It would be helpful to note that.

Also, I realize we are talking about statewide numbers. My point is that if hundreds of people from Goteba and Wewoka suddenly need to be hospitalized, it is going to impact the urban areas.

Hence the comments about no real good options in rural areas. It will quickly tax rural hospitals, and the “feed critical patients to the city” pipeline will become very stressed very quickly.

There are still only so many staffed ICU beds in the metro areas, so it will adversely impact those metro populations. OKC might have lower rates, but if someone has a stroke and needs an ICU bed it won’t matter if the COVID case currently in the bed is from OKC or Burns Flat.

This may result in rural hospitals who are used to patients with lower acuity levels having to hold onto them in IMC or MS beds. And with staff who may not have that experience or specialized training having to care for them. This of course then means fewer beds for the “normal” patients in areas where hospital beds are already at a premium.

Transporting patients to the ICU from rural to urban areas also requires EMS services. Rural areas may only have BLS services, or a very low number of ACLS rigs. If those rigs are running transfer trips to the metro areas, they are not available to respond to emergencies.

It has the potential for a big domino effect.

d-usa
09-09-2020, 12:58 PM
Some parent groups of children in Edmond and Deer Creek schools are pushing for a return to traditional in classroom teaching. If this happens then how much more will the numbers go up. We can see what is happening on some college campus.

From my limited insight into the return to learn committee, it sounds like Deer Creek won’t return for another few weeks at the earliest. They want to make sure the trend for Oklahoma County holds, and they want to avoid having to switch back and forth every few weeks. There is a benefit to stability rather than having to change the learning system every couple weeks.

d-usa
09-09-2020, 01:03 PM
If plenty of older people, such as those past age 65, in rural areas are taking necessary precautions, then their shouldn't need to be many hospitalizations. Case in point, Stillwater Regional Hospital is in a rural area and only has 4 covid patients. Only 2 are in ICU. Total ICU beds 16, 8 used.

1) when did the numbers for Stillwater and the surrounding counties begin to rise?

2) I simply cannot understand the constant argument to just basically block all 65+ folks away until this is all over. How many grandparents are primary caregivers of children in this State? How many 65+ folks are still having to work full time? How many 65+ people are living at home with their kids and grandkids who are having to care for them while also having to work in the community and go to school? How many 65+ folks are living in multigenerational households? The whole argument just seems to boil down to “its old people’s job to keep safe, why should I have to do anything about them”.

Bill Robertson
09-09-2020, 01:12 PM
Other than a 10-day period in late July and early August, the 7-day rolling average is the highest it's ever been and is going up.

With the Labor Day break and the on-going effects of restarting school, I wouldn't be surprised if we are back to all-time highs shortly.

We had 6 months to get out in front of this and now are heading into the colder months at very high levels of infection and all trends heading up. This continues to look like a complete disaster.
The rolling average is going to be higher with adding rapid tests. The trend clock had to be reset yesterday and tracking the new average can’t start until next week.

Yeah, the numbers regardless are going up with schools opening in person and groups having gatherings just like the world was normal. Our church is going back to the normal weekly schedule for everything next week and it’s a large church. A Miata group that I’m part of is going ahead with a large get together next weekend. And on and on and on. People obviously just aren’t as worried about it as some of us are.

soonerguru
09-09-2020, 01:16 PM
If plenty of older people, such as those past age 65, in rural areas are taking necessary precautions, then their shouldn't need to be many hospitalizations. Case in point, Stillwater Regional Hospital is in a rural area and only has 4 covid patients. Only 2 are in ICU. Total ICU beds 16, 8 used.

Are you suggesting that no one from Payne County is in an OKC hospital? And again, how can people who are older completely prevent coming into contact with others? What if they have kids in their household?

Jersey Boss
09-09-2020, 01:21 PM
1) when did the numbers for Stillwater and the surrounding counties begin to rise?

2) I simply cannot understand the constant argument to just basically block all 65+ folks away until this is all over. How many grandparents are primary caregivers of children in this State? How many 65+ folks are still having to work full time? How many 65+ people are living at home with their kids and grandkids who are having to care for them while also having to work in the community and go to school? How many 65+ folks are living in multigenerational households? The whole argument just seems to boil down to “its old people’s job to keep safe, why should I have to do anything about them”.

A prelude to the "Purge".

soonerguru
09-09-2020, 02:11 PM
And so it begins:

Mustang School Employee Dies of Covid 19

https://oklahoman.com/article/5671198/mustang-schools-employee-dies-from-covid-19-complications

OKCRT
09-09-2020, 02:17 PM
A prelude to the "Purge".

Every person in the US that has had the virus and has good plasma should be required to donate. Then any person that has underlying conditions should be required to take the antibodies. Also anyone that has just small particles of the virus but not enough to spread it or get sick should not be counted in the daily numbers of positives. I read an article where a good % of the positives reported don't have enough of the virus to spread it or even show symptoms. Those positives could be thrown out the window and the numbers would come way way down. We could turn these numbers around in a hurry and everyone could get back to normal.

d-usa
09-09-2020, 02:34 PM
We can’t even make masks mandatory without people screaming for a violent overthrow of the government, and we should mandate invasive procedures on survivors of a disease that people won’t even wear a mask for? Never going to happen, and honestly people shouldn’t be forced to have a risky procedure in order for some company to make money producing a treatment.

Just because somebody doesn’t have symptoms right now, doesn’t mean there isn’t damage or other consequences. Asymptomatic spreaders are also still a thing.

Drunk driving cases would go way down if we throw out cases where they never got in a wreck and didn’t get hurt either.

Pete
09-09-2020, 02:38 PM
I read an article where a good % of the positives reported don't have enough of the virus to spread it or even show symptoms. Those positives could be thrown out the window and the numbers would come way way down. We could turn these numbers around in a hurry and everyone could get back to normal.

Ridiculous.

We are now close to 200,000 U.S. deaths in less than 6 months, and it would be way worse had precautions not been taken.

oklip955
09-09-2020, 03:30 PM
As far as isolating those over 65yo, what about those close to 65, or 60? What if one person that age or around that age lives out in the country? What do they do for groceries and other needed items? No delivery services. Not everyone around that age has family close by, many have friends around the same age, or younger friends that have to deal with work, kids schooling at home, and other issues so not able to help. ARe older people and some of the elderly dont have computers or smart phones. They and I know of some who have never used a computer. What is the answer for them. Not all want to move into town, and sell their homes with land or enjoy living in a smaller town. Oklahoma has lots of smaller towns. Many of these don't have grocery stores or hardware stores. Anyway, just want to throw this out.

jedicurt
09-09-2020, 03:36 PM
I read an article where a good % of the positives reported don't have enough of the virus to spread it or even show symptoms.

except that every medical expert in virology and epidemiology are saying that asymptomatic spread appears to be the biggest cause for spread.... so your article was wrong

jedicurt
09-09-2020, 03:37 PM
As far as isolating those over 65yo, what about those close to 65, or 60? What if one person that age or around that age lives out in the country? What do they do for groceries and other needed items? No delivery services. Not everyone around that age has family close by, many have friends around the same age, or younger friends that have to deal with work, kids schooling at home, and other issues so not able to help. ARe older people and some of the elderly dont have computers or smart phones. They and I know of some who have never used a computer. What is the answer for them. Not all want to move into town, and sell their homes with land or enjoy living in a smaller town. Oklahoma has lots of smaller towns. Many of these don't have grocery stores or hardware stores. Anyway, just want to throw this out.

well and it's not just people over a certain age. you would have to get those that have pre-existing conditions as well... so now we are up to 40% of the US population. so it's even a bigger issue than just the elderly.

Bill Robertson
09-09-2020, 03:49 PM
except that every medical expert in virology and epidemiology are saying that asymptomatic spread appears to be the biggest cause for spread.... so your article was wrong
And this I’m a firm believer in. It’s why the CDC says there’s probably up to 10 times the number of active cases than what we know about. When I had it was before masks were even really being talked about. I went to work, stores, restaurants for the first week or so until the shut down not having a clue that I could be and maybe did spread it. There’s got to be hundreds of thousands of stories like mine. Even now but instead of not being expected to wear a mask they just refuse to.

Snowman
09-09-2020, 05:29 PM
Some parent groups of children in Edmond and Deer Creek schools are pushing for a return to traditional in classroom teaching. If this happens then how much more will the numbers go up. We can see what is happening on some college campus.

Any estimate on numbers, these schools have thousands of students, it was likely some percentage of parents would be pushing for a return. It could be hundreds of parents and still be a small fraction of their overall population

Bunty
09-09-2020, 07:12 PM
Are you suggesting that no one from Payne County is in an OKC hospital? And again, how can people who are older completely prevent coming into contact with others? What if they have kids in their household?
No, I'm not suggesting that.

There is nothing stopping people from masking up and/or social distancing at home, unless they're too stubborn to do so.

soonerguru
09-09-2020, 07:16 PM
Every person in the US that has had the virus and has good plasma should be required to donate. Then any person that has underlying conditions should be required to take the antibodies. Also anyone that has just small particles of the virus but not enough to spread it or get sick should not be counted in the daily numbers of positives. I read an article where a good % of the positives reported don't have enough of the virus to spread it or even show symptoms. Those positives could be thrown out the window and the numbers would come way way down. We could turn these numbers around in a hurry and everyone could get back to normal.

I would like to see that article. Care to share?