School: “God will protect us and keep us from getting sick!”

God: *makes people who become scientists and use knowledge to protect people, and the knowledge to create tools to protect us*

School: “it’s a mystery how God works though, so we shouldn’t do anything except trust Him and not do anything that makes us look like we don’t trust Him.”

God: *confused staring*

So it seems that our numbers are staying steady for the state, but hot spots are moving and smaller cities and rural areas are making up for the drop in the big cities?

Yep, because suppression occurs roughly between 1.5 to 2.5 percent and the rural areas are not there yet. Don't know how much difference masks makes between that 1.5 to 2.5 percent, but suppression is a prerequisite to seeing sustained downward trend. Just ask Hawaii or Illinois. Illinois is just now showing signs of peaking out(1.79% currently) and they have had a mask mandate since May and Hawaii is currently seeing a surge in cases. Hawaii, is seeing some moderation now, but is that real or are they hitting testing capacity limits?

Mainstream media just now started noticing Brazil's numbers coming down. Guess where their at? 1.78% infected https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/brazil-coronavirus-manaus-herd-immunity/2020/08/23/0eccda40-d80e-11ea-930e-d88518c57dcc_story.html

You don't have to take my word for it, just look at where a certain state/county peaked and calculate the percentage of population infected on that date. You start noticing the same pattern all across the country.

I will be watching Tulsa county very closely these next couple of weeks. They are at 2.0 percent now, so they are close to the point where thesis says they should start another leg down. We shall see...

I think we are at a "plateau," to use the word Kevin Stitt did when our state was experiencing a dramatic and unprecedented spike in new cases in July. It just happens to be nearly at the top of daily new cases for the pandemic. So, if we are averaging over 700 cases a day that is way too many. I expect the opening of schools and universities will lead to another spike.

School: “God will protect us and keep us from getting sick!”

God: *makes people who become scientists and use knowledge to protect people, and the knowledge to create tools to protect us*

School: “it’s a mystery how God works though, so we shouldn’t do anything except trust Him and not do anything that makes us look like we don’t trust Him.”

God: *confused staring*

+1,000,000

University Of Arizona Prevented Coronavirus Outbreak On Campus By Testing Wastewater (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/university-of-arizona-coronavirus_n_5f480505c5b64f17e13a9ac3)

University Of Arizona Prevented Coronavirus Outbreak On Campus By Testing Wastewater (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/university-of-arizona-coronavirus_n_5f480505c5b64f17e13a9ac3)

That is smart. If they were doing this at local universities I'd feel a lot better about my kids having to be back in school (well, the one I let return).

710 new cases today. Last 2 Fridays wre 1,077 and 794 respectively.

8 more reported deaths; 2nd highest Friday ever.

Revved by Sturgis Rally, COVID-19 infections move fast, far (https://apnews.com/3ea1a021f82fee05736f22138df90ddf)

SIOUX FALLS, S.D. (AP) — The hundreds of thousands of bikers who attended the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally may have departed western South Dakota, but public health departments in multiple states are trying to measure how much and how quickly the coronavirus spread in bars, tattoo shops and gatherings before people traveled home to nearly every state in the country.

You just have to look at the increased number of cases in South Dakota. It had been in the 100's and now in the 300's. The bikers most likely stopped in a number of small towns on the way up and on the way home to get gas, food, etc and spread it around the local folks since South Dakota doesn't have a require masks.

I read that aggregated cellphone data showed that Sturgis attendees have visited 61% of the counties in the US - yay, go virus!

I read that aggregated cellphone data showed that Sturgis attendees have visited 61% of the counties in the US - yay, go virus!

There's just so many Drama Queens out there you just don't know what's real and what is Fake news.

I read that aggregated cellphone data showed that Sturgis attendees have visited 61% of the counties in the US - yay, go virus!

For the record, my dad and his group of 10-15 that went up there are all in the clear so far.

For the record, my dad and his group of 10-15 that went up there are all in the clear so far.

Are any of them quarantining themselves, just to be cautious after that much traveling?

This is the same group who had graduation a couple of months ago with no masks and people sitting side by side.
I question the quality of the education here. Science classes must be really informative.

136 children died during the 2019-2020 flu season. So far, 36 children have died from COVID-19 with 21 states having zero deaths. Maybe the school is going by that. If only few of their kids and teachers are out with COVID-19, don't be surprised if the school goes on with what it is doing, or not doing.

1093 new cases.

IIRC that's the highest one-day total in about a month.

1093 new cases.

IIRC that's the highest one-day total in about a month.

And yet they tell me masks are working. Just exactly how are they working when a good 10% of the population refuse to wear them a good 50% don't wear them correctly

They’re working for the 50% of wear them right. Think what the numbers might be otherwise.

1093 new cases.

IIRC that's the highest one-day total in about a month.

Ya, it looks like August 5th had 1,101 and then August 1st (Saturday) had 1,244. Strange that on both of these high case Saturdays in August (The 1st and 29th) , the Saturday case # was higher than the Tuesday case #.

And yet they tell me masks are working. Just exactly how are they working when a good 10% of the population refuse to wear them a good 50% don't wear them correctly

I was wondering how long it would be before people started running their mouths about masks although I suspect you are being sarcastic. Masks are obviously helping. Schools, on the other hand, are not helping.

And yet they tell me masks are working. Just exactly how are they working when a good 10% of the population refuse to wear them a good 50% don't wear them correctly

This seems like quite the strawman argument. The data shows that municipalities with mask mandates have lower virus rates than those without, and we're looking at statewide numbers here. Of course masks aren't effective when people don't wear them or wear them properly. Maybe your problem is with the enforceability of the mandates rather than the efficacy of masks themselves?

136 children died during the 2019-2020 flu season. So far, 36 children have died from COVID-19 with 21 states having zero deaths. Maybe the school is going by that. If only few of their kids and teachers are out with COVID-19, don't be surprised if the school goes on with what it is doing, or not doing.

No cares about their parents or grandparents?

I was wondering how long it would be before people started running their mouths about masks although I suspect you are being sarcastic. Masks are obviously helping. Schools, on the other hand, are not helping.
a little bit of sarcasm but the numbers could be going down for a variety of reasons maybe people are staying farther apart I honestly thought we would see a little bit more of a drop when people start taking mask more seriously

Paper masks will not stop the virus. That is a fact no matter what they say. But we will continue to wear them because it makes some folks feel safer. I have given up wearing them for the most part but I don't mind wearing them in a crowd that is in close quarters.

I’m sure everybody posting this stuff will be happy with any surgeons treating them going without masks from now on.

Masks ranked in order of effectiveness:

1. Fitted N95, no valve (14 in photo)
2. 3-layer surgical mask (1)
3. Cotton-polypropylene-cotton mask (5)
4. 2-layer polypropylene apron mask (4)
5. 2-layer cotton, pleated style mask (13)
6. 2-layer cotton, pleated style mask (7)
7. Valved N95 mask (2)
8. 2-layer cotton, Olson style mask (8)
9. 1-layer Maxima AT mask (6)
10. 1-layer cotton, pleated style mask (10)
11. 2-layer cotton, pleated style mask (9)
12. Knitted mask (3)
13. Double-layer bandana (12)
14. Gaiter-style neck fleece (11)

Paper masks will not stop the virus. That is a fact no matter what they say. ...

Really, a fact? Prove it. And which masks are made of paper? Don't think I've ever seen any......

Of course there is an uptick now that kids are going back to school.

It's just a matter how how much the cases are going to go up.


Plus, yes people are wearing masks, but bars are now very busy and nobody is wearing masks in those places.

Masks work.


Paper masks will not stop the virus. That is a fact no matter what they say. But we will continue to wear them because it makes some folks feel safer. I have given up wearing them for the most part but I don't mind wearing them in a crowd that is in close quarters.

Masks work.

This is called a truth sandwich. You make sure to state the truth on each side of the misinformation. At this point, if you still don’t believe in the widespread scientific consensus on masks, you’re either a troll or hopelessly susceptible to misinformation.

And yet they tell me masks are working. Just exactly how are they working when a good 10% of the population refuse to wear them a good 50% don't wear them correctly

Masks work in limited interactions. But, schools have now been opened more than a week, and masks work only so well when you are trapped in an enclosed space with 25 other people for like six hours a day.

Stitt has made us a top ten state!

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=4084336371594691&id=100000551045034&ref=m_notif&notif_t=feed_comment

667 new cases reported today, the most in the last 5 Sundays.

2 more reported deaths.

And yet they tell me masks are working. Just exactly how are they working when a good 10% of the population refuse to wear them a good 50% don't wear them correctly

Well, yeah. Masks don't work if people don't actually wear them. Just like vaccines don't work unless people get vaccinated. Seat belts don't work if people don't wear them. Parachutes don't work, if you don't open them (and wear them until you land, I might add).

And just like vaccines, seat belts. and parachutes, the recommendation to wear a mask is not based on the idea that doing so will eliminate the risk entirely. It's based on the concept that doing greatly mitigates risk.

So, when you're looking at it statistically, in terms of illness and death, think about it like seat belts. We have laws that require seat belts. And there is still going to be a percentage of people who do not wear seat belts or do not wear them correctly. And there will still be deaths and injury, even for people who are wearing seat belts.

But does that invalidate the idea that wearing seat belts is a good thing?

And the difference here is that you can't save anyone else's life by wearing a seat belt. But, if you could, why would you resist that on that basis?

Masks work because they help. Not because they eliminate the disease entirely.

No cares about their parents or grandparents?

nope. apparently not...

713 new cases today, which is a bunch for a Monday. Last four Mondays: 357, 369, 397 and 377.

Rolling 7-day average is now 744, the highest in 3 weeks.

1 more reported death.

Oklahoma Source is reporting again that they are now counting antigen tests differently, which caused an increase.

I used to be a fan of their page, but I’m taking their stuff with a grain of salt right now.

Just reporting on how many cases there are every day doesn't give a picture on how well people are doing with the virus. But then if it was reported that just about everybody is not doing bad, such as feeling no worse than when Gov. Stitt had it, it wouldn't work to discourage further spread of covid.

But it should be clear enough by now that people over age 65, especially those in poor health, should be quite serious about trying to avoid covid.

You don't need a detailed analysis to know that cases are increasing due to schools reopening and people interacting in bars without precautions. I'm very worried about what will happen when it turns cold outside.

Also, the number of deaths has been going up dramatically, both locally and nationally.

Oklahoma Source is reporting again that they are now counting antigen tests differently, which caused an increase.

I used to be a fan of their page, but I’m taking their stuff with a grain of salt right now.

I read that as well, but the article said they are "going to start" counting those. Not clear if today's numbers reflect that.

You don't need a detailed analysis to know that cases are increasing due to schools reopening and people interacting in bars without precautions. I'm very worried about what will happen when it turns cold outside.

Also, the number of deaths has been going up dramatically, both locally and nationally.

But most of the deaths have been happening to people over age 65. In Oklahoma it's 79.5%. That's not much of a drop from when it was bit over 80%. Maybe too many older people are still not taking the virus seriously. But who knows the percentage of people who were infected with the virus at any age who are still having bad after effects weeks to months after checking negative? If it's a high percentage, it might help young people take the threat of covid more seriously.

But most of the deaths have been happening to people over age 65. In Oklahoma it's 79.5%. Maybe too many older people are still not taking the virus seriously. But who knows the percentage of people who were infected with the virus at any age who are still having bad after effects weeks to months after checking negative? If it's a high percentage, it might help young people take the threat of covid more seriously.

The people dying have to catch it from somewhere and there is no question the spread has picked way up again.

Just reporting on how many cases there are every day doesn't give a picture on how well people are doing with the virus. But then if it was reported that just about everybody is not doing bad, such as feeling no worse than when Gov. Stitt had it, it wouldn't work to discourage further spread of covid.

But it should be clear enough by now that people over age 65, especially those in poor health, should be quite serious about trying to avoid covid.

You mean like a significant amount of faculty and staff at OU and OSU? And tbh, the threshold should be lowered to 50 at least. My 20-year-old healthy relative was knocked out of commission for weeks, with lingering symptoms. This is a dangerous and unpredictable virus that attacks multiple organs of the body, live or die.

Continuing to repeat the "over 65" mantra is creating a massive communications problem in which people under 65 think this is somehow safe. It is not safe. It is also not known what long-term damage this does to people with even minor symptoms.

This is information warfare that has become totally politicized. If you pay attention to health officials, not politicians, you will know that COVID-19 is serious business.

I agree with Pete that a spike is inevitable, and it is hard for me to imagine the universities remaining open for in-person classes.

For about the 1000th time, THIS IS NOT JUST ABOUT DEATHS. Good crimony.

My main concern is over too many people still not taking covid seriously and what to do about it. The increased cases and deaths prove they aren't. Opposition to going back to shutdowns are another sign of it.

In Stillwater on the strip, are bars putting up makeshift patios outside going to work? I doubt it, since people will still be seated closely at the tables not knowing who may have the virus. It would surely help if rapid tests were much more widespread. Bar patios won't work when it turns cold. If kerosine heaters are used in response, the fumes won't smell good.

I read that as well, but the article said they are "going to start" counting those. Not clear if today's numbers reflect that.
The article did say “as early as Monday “. If so that would explain today’s number being so high. I wish the OSDH would state something about these changes when they make them.

The people dying have to catch it from somewhere and there is no question the spread has picked way up again.

When you change the density and composition of college towns overnight, its not surprising that you see an increase in cases. It also won't be surprising to see these confirm cases drop sometime in the next couple of weeks. I would have preferred schools waited at least until mid-September just so that these less dense population centers have a chance to move further along on the curve as some of the larger cities that students are coming from.

One thing to keep in mind with the numbers the past few days is that A lot of these numbers are coming from Muskogee because of the prison. This county will stop showing up either tomorrow or Wednesday. It was the only county over 100 with today's release at 161!

OK and Tulsa country are still looking pretty flat with the 7 day average for OKC gradually coming down.

https://muskogeenow.com/ Currently second story

Mayor: Testing at prison gives Muskogee County 400 new COVID cases in a day
By Leif M. Wright
Saturday, August 29, 2020, 8:18 AM
Testing in the wake of the MuskogeeNOW story earlier this week at Eddie Warrior Correctional Facility in Taft has resulted in more than 400 new positive cases of COVID-19 in a single day, according to Muskogee Mayor Marlon Coleman.

“Members of the Muskogee City-County Task Force were briefed today regarding the COVID-19 outbreak at the Eddie Warrior Correctional Facility, resulting in Muskogee County showing a record high number of more than 400 new coronavirus cases reported in a single day,” Coleman said. “More cases are expected as testing continues.”

The prison’s open dorm-style housing does not allow for proper quarantining, and relying upon guards to decide who got tested did not adequately allow for preventing the spread of the disease either.

“This event, along with the reopening of schools, means we must be more vigilant in the battle against the spread of COVID-19, including consideration of stronger safety measures to be incorporated into the city existing mitigation plan in the coming days,” Coleman said. “We must protect families, small businesses and the local economy by staying at home if you are ill; wear masks when in public; and, when around people outside of your household, practice social distancing, and follow all other CDC recommendations in the ongoing battle to defeat COVID-19.”

You mean like a significant amount of faculty and staff at OU and OSU? And tbh, the threshold should be lowered to 50 at least. My 20-year-old healthy relative was knocked out of commission for weeks, with lingering symptoms. This is a dangerous and unpredictable virus that attacks multiple organs of the body, live or die.

Continuing to repeat the "over 65" mantra is creating a massive communications problem in which people under 65 think this is somehow safe. It is not safe. It is also not known what long-term damage this does to people with even minor symptoms.

This is information warfare that has become totally politicized. If you pay attention to health officials, not politicians, you will know that COVID-19 is serious business.

I agree with Pete that a spike is inevitable, and it is hard for me to imagine the universities remaining open for in-person classes.

For about the 1000th time, THIS IS NOT JUST ABOUT DEATHS. Good crimony.

Man, you must have some really unlucky family members and friends that you keep mentioning (not doubting what you’re saying, it’s just surprising how it varies from person to person). I knew the likely OKC patient zero who was in his 60s and died with a few complications and the fact that he was one of the first people treated here didn’t help. My wife knows one other person that’s about 40 who had an extremely rough time and lost an arm because of it. Outside of that we know about 40-50 people, maybe more, in multiple age brackets who’ve had it all of which had varying degrees of symptom severity but the common thread is that they’ve all been completely fine after 1-2 weeks with no lingering symptoms or complications. All have gone back to living a normal life, exercising without issue, etc. it has to be a pretty unlucky and tiny fraction of the population that has any lasting effect from this...though those are of course the case you hear about so it seems a lot more widespread than it actually is.

Man, you must have some really unlucky family members and friends that you keep mentioning (not doubting what you’re saying, it’s just surprising how it varies from person to person). I knew the likely OKC patient zero who was in his 60s and died with a few complications and the fact that he was one of the first people treated here didn’t help. My wife knows one other person that’s about 40 who had an extremely rough time and lost an arm because of it. Outside of that we know about 40-50 people, maybe more, in multiple age brackets who’ve had it all of which had varying degrees of symptom severity but the common thread is that they’ve all been completely fine after 1-2 weeks with no lingering symptoms or complications. All have gone back to living a normal life, exercising without issue, etc. it has to be a pretty unlucky and tiny fraction of the population that has any lasting effect from this...though those are of course the case you hear about so it seems a lot more widespread than it actually is.

I'm sure if you have a comorbidity before getting covid, all the negative health effects that particular comorbidity brought you before are either the same or worse. Its not a virus that kills people because their elderly. Being elderly just makes you statistically more likely to have a comorbidity.

Getting Covid is also a bad time to discover you have diabetes or heart disease. Its a "stress test" you had no time to prepare for.

The article did say “as early as Monday “. If so that would explain today’s number being so high. I wish the OSDH would state something about these changes when they make them.

I guess the good news is that the rapid tests have become almost as reliable as the PCR tests. And from what I read, there were a total of 5,800 "investigated" cases. Considering we have had 60,000 cases, that is not a huge percentage.

However, you cannot just declare that this explains today's number going up. Friday, Saturday and Sunday numbers were already elevated. Don't you think it is obvious that with outbreaks occurring at hundreds of public and private schools and major universities throughout the state that the numbers would go up? Isn't that just basic logic?

Man, you must have some really unlucky family members and friends that you keep mentioning (not doubting what you’re saying, it’s just surprising how it varies from person to person). I knew the likely OKC patient zero who was in his 60s and died with a few complications and the fact that he was one of the first people treated here didn’t help. My wife knows one other person that’s about 40 who had an extremely rough time and lost an arm because of it. Outside of that we know about 40-50 people, maybe more, in multiple age brackets who’ve had it all of which had varying degrees of symptom severity but the common thread is that they’ve all been completely fine after 1-2 weeks with no lingering symptoms or complications. All have gone back to living a normal life, exercising without issue, etc. it has to be a pretty unlucky and tiny fraction of the population that has any lasting effect from this...though those are of course the case you hear about so it seems a lot more widespread than it actually is.

Would you like to talk to them? Happy to give you their number. We have had 800 "unlucky" Oklahomans killed. We have had nearly 60,000 Oklahomans "unlucky" enough to contract this. I cannot speak to how many of them experienced severe symptoms other than what I read about anecdotal cases in the media and what I hear about from my doctor. Didn't you have a relative die from Covid-19?

I don't know what you are trying to say here but if you have any doubt I'm happy to put you in contact with them so they can describe what happened to them. I hope you are not suggesting I'm making this up.

Man, you must have some really unlucky family members and friends that you keep mentioning (not doubting what you’re saying, it’s just surprising how it varies from person to person).....Outside of that we know about 40-50 people, maybe more, in multiple age brackets who’ve had it all of which had varying degrees of symptom severity


You think sooner guru is unlucky, Oklahoma has a reported case rate of 1.5% according to the Washington Post covid tracker and you know 40-50 people that have had it. Now that's unlucky. Personally, I know 5 people who have had it.

I think part of the biggest problem with people taking this virus seriously is the inconsistency of the virus. Soonerguru, you have had family do very badly with this virus. PhiAlpha, you have known more people affected but to a lesser degree. I’m after more people have had my experience. Even though I had it and we’re 90% sure my wife did too we’d have never been sure if I hadn’t tested positive for antibodies for a while. I know or know of maybe 20 other people that have been tested for having known contact with a person that tested positive. About half of them tested positive. None of them had any symptoms. I still talk to co-workers and others who haven’t known or known of anyone that’s even tested positive. Yes, this virus can be very bad and is for some. But it’s hard to convince people to take something seriously that they never see for themselves. We live in a “prove it to me beyond any doubt that I can manufacture” world.

I'm sure if you have a comorbidity before getting covid, all the negative health effects that particular comorbidity brought you before are either the same or worse. Its not a virus that kills people because their elderly. Being elderly just makes you statistically more likely to have a comorbidity.

Getting Covid is also a bad time to discover you have diabetes or heart disease. Its a "stress test" you had no time to prepare for.But that’s the really weird thing about this virus. As I’ve said before. I’m 61, I’m on meds for hypertension and high cholesterol, I’m 5’7” and weigh 220 so I really need to lose 40 pounds and my Dr has me logging my blood sugar levels daily because I’m right on the line of being diabetic. I had very minor symptoms. The after effects have been way more annoying than the week I was sick.

You think sooner guru is unlucky, Oklahoma has a reported case rate of 1.5% according to the Washington Post covid tracker and you know 40-50 people that have had it. Now that's unlucky. Personally, I know 5 people who have had it.

I do know some more than a few people who don't live in OK...:tongue:

Would you like to talk to them? Happy to give you their number. We have had 800 "unlucky" Oklahomans killed. We have had nearly 60,000 Oklahomans "unlucky" enough to contract this. I cannot speak to how many of them experienced severe symptoms other than what I read about anecdotal cases in the media and what I hear about from my doctor. Didn't you have a relative die from Covid-19?

I don't know what you are trying to say here but if you have any doubt I'm happy to put you in contact with them so they can describe what happened to them. I hope you are not suggesting I'm making this up.

I referred to the family friend that died of it in my post and literally said that I have no doubt that what you're saying about the people you know is true so no reason to get bent out of shape. I'm saying that every single person you've mentioned seems to have suffered severe symptoms lasting weeks/months some of which have had long lasting effects which is crazy because I know a ton of people that have had it (hell based on exposure alone it would be hard to believe that we haven't had it at this point) and outside of one instance of someone dying early on and another having some major negative health effects, none of my contacts have had symptoms no worse than a cold or flu and have all completely recovered (suffering no long-term negative effects weeks/months later). It's nuts that experiences vary that much from person to person. Based on that, it seems like the people you know have been pretty unlucky in how negatively the virus has affected them.

As far as being lucky/unlucky, I don't think catching it is an unlucky thing at this point especially based on how many people that I know who've had it. It would seem that your odds of catching it are greater than your odds of not catching it at this point. I would say the only truly unlucky ones are those that have died or severe cases since that seems like such a small percentage of those that have caught it.

I know 2 people that have had it. 2. 1 had minor symptoms, the other had none. I'm a 29 year old, and the people I know who had it were younger than me.

I referred to the family friend that died of it in my post and literally said that I have no doubt that what you're saying about the people you know is true so no reason to get bent out of shape. I'm saying that every single person you've mentioned seems to have suffered severe symptoms lasting weeks/months some of which have had long lasting effects which is crazy because I know a ton of people that have had it (hell based on exposure alone it would be hard to believe that we haven't had it at this point) and outside of one instance of someone dying early on and another having some major negative health effects, none of my contacts have had symptoms worse than a cold or flu and have all completely recovered (suffering no long-term negative effects weeks/months later). It's nuts that experiences vary that much from person to person. Based on that, it seems like the people you know have been pretty unlucky in how negatively the virus has affected them.

As far as being lucky/unlucky, I don't think catching it is an unlucky thing at this point especially based on how many people that I know who've had it. It would seem that your odds of catching it are greater than your odds of not catching it at this point. I would say the only truly unlucky ones are those that have died or severe cases since that seems like such a small percentage of those that have caught it.

Gotcha. I didn't mean to overreact to your comment. Truthfully, I don't know that many people who have gotten it. More like friends of friends. I do know three people personally who did, two of which have no underlying conditions and are relatively young, and they were effected severely.

I utterly detest when people rely on their limited group of friends to post anything authoritative about the virus. I only posted about the two I know so well to dispel the same myths I have seen repeated on this thread endlessly. At least people have finally quit comparing this to the flu! :)

You don't need a detailed analysis to know that cases are increasing due to schools reopening and people interacting in bars without precautions. I'm very worried about what will happen when it turns cold outside.

Also, the number of deaths has been going up dramatically, both locally and nationally.

Just to correct some misinformation the number of deaths nationally has not been “going up dramatically”. They’ve been steadily decreasing since a late July peak.
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Just to correct some misinformation the number of deaths nationally has not been “going up dramatically”. They’ve been steadily decreasing since a late July peak.
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They have gone up since the start of July and are currently averaging around 1,000 every day.

Oklahoma had more deaths in August than any other month.


It's ridiculous to suggest these aren't very bad and disturbing trends.

They have gone up since the start of July and are currently averaging around 1,000 every day.

Oklahoma had more deaths in August than any other month.


It's ridiculous to suggest these aren't very bad and disturbing trends.
I didn’t dispute the Oklahoma aspect, the trends here aren’t good.

If you wanted to say nationally deaths are up since June then that would be true, but “going up dramatically” means currently going up and that’s not true. We’re trending down nationally in both deaths and cases.

I didn’t dispute the Oklahoma aspect, the trends here aren’t good.

If you wanted to say nationally deaths are up since June then that would be true, but “going up dramatically” means currently going up and that’s not true. We’re trending down nationally in both deaths and cases.

How about "have gone up dramatically and now have levelled off at a ridiculously high level considering we've had a full 6 months to deal with this?"

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/covid083120a.jpg

How about "have gone up dramatically and now have levelled off at a ridiculously high level considering we've had a full 6 months to deal with this?"

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/covid083120a.jpg

Not sure masking up is working. It might just have to run it's course. Pretty much everyone I see when I go inside a store has a mask on. I just don't think these masks help much if any. Pretty sure this virus is going to run it's course masks or not. Seems to me if the masking up was working we would be on a serious downward trend.

I didn't see but a very few people masking up on the White House Lawn the other night. Not arguing that this isn't a seriously wicked virus just don't believe that masks are slowing this thing down much if any.

Not sure masking up is working. It might just have to run it's course. Pretty much everyone I see when I go inside a store has a mask on. I just don't think these masks help much if any. Pretty sure this virus is going to run it's course masks or not. Seems to me if the masking up was working we would be on a serious downward trend.

I didn't see but a very few people masking up on the White House Lawn the other night. Not arguing that this isn't a seriously wicked virus just don't believe that masks are slowing this thing down much if any.
Or without masks the trends could be going up exponentially. I don’t have the answer and neither do you. But we have to try everything we think will control the spread.

Not sure masking up is working. It might just have to run it's course. Pretty much everyone I see when I go inside a store has a mask on. I just don't think these masks help much if any. Pretty sure this virus is going to run it's course masks or not. Seems to me if the masking up was working we would be on a serious downward trend.

I didn't see but a very few people masking up on the White House Lawn the other night. Not arguing that this isn't a seriously wicked virus just don't believe that masks are slowing this thing down much if any.

Masks work -- if people wear them. Where they are worn, new cases go down. Where they are not, they go up. This isn't rocket surgery. It doesn't work when some country yokel superintendent says, "We have to go back to school, but people should decide if they want their kids to wear masks." It doesn't work when hundreds of college kids crowd a dance floor or bar without masks.

It doesn't work if people go to church without masks, or host a massive family reunion.

Other countries have been able to abate this. I refuse to believe the US is beyond doing the basic things to get this under control, but maybe it's just too tall of an order for a nation that considers itself exceptional.