For what it's worth, a friend of mine said they drove through both the Paseo and the Plaza last night and saw they saw lots of young people hanging out inside bars with no masks on.

16351

Facebook, so don’t have a better source.

Local Officials Across Oklahoma 'Blindsided,' 'Shocked' By White House Report Not Shared By Governor (https://www.publicradiotulsa.org/post/local-officials-across-oklahoma-blindsided-shocked-white-house-report-not-shared-governor)

The new report from the White House coronavirus task force, which counts Vice President Mike Pence as its chair and Dr. Deborah Birx as its coordinator, is dated Sunday, Aug. 16th, the same day as Birx’s visit with Gov. Kevin Stitt in Tulsa. Following that meeting, Stitt said “there wasn’t really any recommendations that she made in this meeting,” and said specifically that she had not recommended a statewide mask mandate nor a statewide bar closure.

“Mask mandate needs to be implemented statewide to decrease community transmission,” the leaked report reads, in a section on the first page labeled RECOMMENDATIONS. “Bars must be closed, and indoor dining must be restricted in yellow and red zone counties and metro areas.”

I've been trying to wrap my head around this. Has Stitt really just been straight up lying about the mask mandate not being recommended by the White House task force?

Looks like that Mick was pretty damn prescient with that Bull Stitt ad. In hindsight we really shouldn't have elected a man governor who was banned from doing business in entire states.

I've been trying to wrap my head around this. Has Stitt really just been straight up lying about the mask mandate not being recommended by the White House task force?

Looks like that Mick was pretty damn prescient with that Bull Stitt ad. In hindsight we really shouldn't have elected a man governor who was banned from doing business in entire states.

We could have had Drew Edmondson. He would have been at least as good as Cornett. Drew would have been a magnificent governor.

This has been a very good thread to follow for daily updates and opinions on what they mean. OK, Stitt has been proven to be a lying a-hole. But can we keep this from getting completely political?

If it is true that the official way we count was modified that would be a bad deal. Especially if we are now starting to reach our old numbers with the new methodology.

If it is true that the official way we count was modified that would be a bad deal. Especially if we are now starting to reach our old numbers with the new methodology.I just read a post on Oklahoma Source about this. If so the numbers are really artificially dropping. But we know the actual untested cases are many times the reported numbers anyway so I just go about my business assuming everything I see has it.

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Facebook, so don’t have a better source.

Here's a YouTube video version for those who don't have FB. This is very disturbing, to say the least.

https://youtu.be/jfh_OBWk2Xg

Thanks for the video. I'd much rather hear viewpoints on the virus issue from actual doctors, rather than politicians.

If state health sites aren't giving rapid tests, then that surely means no rapid positive tests are being counted.

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Facebook, so don’t have a better source.

I don't care if he's 100% correct. I won't listen to a thing this quack says. He's been promoting zinc and hydroxychloroquine for covid, pushing that demon blood crap video, claiming the data has been manipulated (in various directions), trashed Fauci non-stop, and a bunch of other dangerous stuff... here's a facebook post of his from a couple of weeks ago..

https://www.facebook.com/noelrwilliamsmd/posts/3050765108306423


Humans....

1400 cases in OK today. Testing is a mess with false positives, false negatives and massive delays in test results. Be that as it may... hospitalizations are up. The system is getting overwhelmed.

Great video from Dr. Stella.

Watch it and decide.

For those of you who continue to believe mainstream media reports, lame excuses from Drs. Fauci and Birx and platitudes from Dr. Redfield please delete me.

My favorite comment critiquing the data lately was about Dr. Birx’s comment concerning children 10 and under. Too paraphrase Dr. B....

“We don’t really know about them as they have had the fewest tests!... they could be spreaders”

Let’s think... unlike our public health officials.

Why so few tests?

Wait for it....

Virtually no children are presenting with COVID sx so i.e., no reason to test them.

Duh.

The data everywhere is indicative of their baseline immunity and non-infectious potential when infected.

Let’s ignore all the data and state non-validated emotional responses to twitterpate the public. Exactly the opposite of the purpose of the CDC.

Be at peace!

I’m doing a teacher Q&A tomorrow night. If I get the ok I’ll post it on my page.

Politics are everywhere which destroys science.

https://www.facebook.com/Diamondand…/videos/310568403423119/

Noel

He could be telling folks to carry an umbrella in the rain and I'd still say we shouldn't elevate him or give him a platform or more visability.

If he has actually been treating covid patients with zinc and hydroxychloroquine and has no patient deaths, I am certainly not going to fault him, especially since I'm no expert in the medical field. On the other hand, if he has no experience in treating COVID patients, then he is not in a great position to be talking about any type of treatment.

I don't care if he's 100% correct. I won't listen to a thing this quack says. He's been promoting zinc and hydroxychloroquine for covid, pushing that demon blood crap video, claiming the data has been manipulated (in various directions), trashed Fauci non-stop, and a bunch of other dangerous stuff... here's a facebook post of his from a couple of weeks ago..

https://www.facebook.com/noelrwilliamsmd/posts/3050765108306423



He could be telling folks to carry an umbrella in the rain and I'd still say we shouldn't elevate him or give him a platform or more visability.

Thanks for the heads up.

https://twitter.com/ethanhbellamy/status/1297516820941873152?s=21

They made it sound like they stopped counting non-health department tests period, which would have been new. If it’s the same “don’t count rapid tests” that has been happening from day 1 it would be nothing new.

Quack doctors are stupid.

https://twitter.com/ethanhbellamy/status/1297516820941873152?s=21

https://www.franklintempletonnordic.com/investor/article?contentPath=html/ftthinks/common/cio-views/on-my-mind-they-blinded-us-from-science.html

Actual article.

Stitt needs to be removed from office. It’s plain as day at this point. He had had multiple leadership snafus going back to day one when he recommended people go out and eat to support businesses only 2 days before shutting the state down. He hosted the trump rally when we were just starting to spike. He was the first (and only?) governor to catch it. He’s openly anti vaccine which is more than concerning when it comes to this disease. He’s lied about what the data is saying, e.g. “everything is great. We’re doing great!” He LIED about these white house reports!! We’re one of the worst states in the country in how we handled this virus despite how spread out our population is. We’ll see how he handles schools here in a week or two. Regardless, he needs to be removed at this point.

566 new cases today. 2nd highest Sunday ever.

1 more reported death.

Stitt needs to be removed from office. It’s plain as day at this point. He had had multiple leadership snafus going back to day one when he recommended people go out and eat to support businesses only 2 days before shutting the state down. He hosted the trump rally when we were just starting to spike. He was the first (and only?) governor to catch it. He’s openly anti vaccine which is more than concerning when it comes to this disease. He’s lied about what the data is saying, e.g. “everything is great. We’re doing great!” He LIED about these white house reports!! We’re one of the worst states in the country in how we handled this virus despite how spread out our population is. We’ll see how he handles schools here in a week or two. Regardless, he needs to be removed at this point.

Why don't you take this over to the Politics thread and drum up support and file a recall petition if you're really serious?

https://kfor.com/news/washington-dc-bureau/president-trump-schedules-sunday-press-conference-set-to-announce-plasma-treatment-authorized-for-covid-19/amp/?anvplayer-autoplay=0
I get more confused all the time. This makes it sound like plasma therapy has just been approved but I’ve donated therapeutic plasma 4 times starting about 8 weeks ago.

Stitt needs to be removed from office. It’s plain as day at this point. He had had multiple leadership snafus going back to day one when he recommended people go out and eat to support businesses only 2 days before shutting the state down. He hosted the trump rally when we were just starting to spike. He was the first (and only?) governor to catch it. He’s openly anti vaccine which is more than concerning when it comes to this disease. He’s lied about what the data is saying, e.g. “everything is great. We’re doing great!” He LIED about these white house reports!! We’re one of the worst states in the country in how we handled this virus despite how spread out our population is. We’ll see how he handles schools here in a week or two. Regardless, he needs to be removed at this point.

But Gov. Stitt is guilty of no crime, just some governing that some people find intolerably wrong and controversial. So it's up to voters to remove him when time for his reelection, something I certainly wouldn't count on happening.

Why don't you take this over to the Politics thread and drum up support and file a recall petition if you're really serious?

A state wide elected official can't be voted out by a recall.

But Gov. Stitt is guilty of no crime, just some governing that some people find intolerably wrong and controversial. So it's up to voters to remove him when time for his reelection, something I certainly wouldn't count on happening.All true and accurate. And while he could have done much better I hold the people that won’t do what science obviously says is the right thing to do more responsible than any government official. Also, the same people screaming Stitt is responsible for this would be the same people screaming “oppression and denial of rights” if the governor’s office tried to enact any non-COVID mandates at any other time. Either the government is going to have the authority to dictate what we can and cannot do or not. I say not and the PEOPLE need to think about each other’s well being. And wear friggin masks + keep your friggin distance!

Don’t know if you guys have seen it, but there are starting to be reports of covid cases in multiple states that have been traced back to Sturgis. Things are about to get out of hand in a big way.

There were nearly 700,000 bikers at that rally, and as you may have read, masks were a rarity up there. Bars were packed nightly. There was a report of a sneezing contest (!!!) at one point. Not good...

Due to average number of cases exceeding 20 for the past week in Payne County, Stillwater moves from yellow to orange, meaning all school classes must be online. No school monday to prepare.

Enid, which is running not far behind Stillwater in total positive cases has found 30 cases in its school system.
https://www.news9.com/story/5f4265b644c0b847c19bef33/enid-public-schools-quarantines-hundreds-after-rise-in-covid-cases

So... somebody on Twitter posted that the White House reports are now on the State of OK website:

https://coronavirus.health.ok.gov/white-house-coronavirus-task-force

Sure enough, they are online and able to be downloaded, but I don't recall these EVER being mentioned before! Does anybody know if they have been on the state website the entire time?

So... somebody on Twitter posted that the White House reports are now on the State of OK website:

https://coronavirus.health.ok.gov/white-house-coronavirus-task-force

Sure enough, they are online and able to be downloaded, but I don't recall these EVER being mentioned before! Does anybody know if they have been on the state website the entire time?

I think it was something Dr. Birx (forced?) had Stitt do. I dk Pete probably knows more

So... somebody on Twitter posted that the White House reports are now on the State of OK website:

https://coronavirus.health.ok.gov/white-house-coronavirus-task-force

Sure enough, they are online and able to be downloaded, but I don't recall these EVER being mentioned before! Does anybody know if they have been on the state website the entire time?

They have not. https://oklahoman.com/article/5669771/stitt-bows-to-pressure-to-release-white-house-reports-on-coronavirus/amp?__twitter_impression=true

357 new cases today; the previous 3 Mondays have all ranged between 369 and 397.

4 additional deaths reported.

Don’t know if you guys have seen it, but there are starting to be reports of covid cases in multiple states that have been traced back to Sturgis. Things are about to get out of hand in a big way.

There were nearly 700,000 bikers at that rally, and as you may have read, masks were a rarity up there. Bars were packed nightly. There was a report of a sneezing contest (!!!) at one point. Not good...

Right, and South Dakota is no where near suppression like the more populated southern states are at now. A good amount of the people going to that rally are probably not coming who live in metro metro areas either. If you are going to have a rally, its dumb to pick a state that is below that 2 to 3 percent threshold. I would have also like to have seen schools/colleges hold off until Mid-September when everyone is solidly above 2%.

357 new cases today; the previous 3 Mondays have all ranged between 369 and 397.

4 additional deaths reported.

On the positive note, Oklahoma County reported its lowest number since 6/22.

Dillon Richards says the rumor that OSDH has changed which positive tests are included is untrue.

https://twitter.com/KOCODillon/status/1297962924967944193

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgNKUf8XgAI9kk6?format=png&name=900x900

A state wide elected official can't be voted out by a recall.

Thanks Bunty. I wasn't aware that it wasn't a thing in Oklahoma.

Dillon Richards says the rumor that OSDH has changed which positive tests are included is untrue.

https://twitter.com/KOCODillon/status/1297962924967944193

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgNKUf8XgAI9kk6?format=png&name=900x900

So it is still “just” the positives from rapid tests that are uncounted.

Apparently this story is what forced Stitt's hand, according to random Twitter people:


https://publicintegrity.org/health/coronavirus-and-inequality/white-house-coronavirus-red-zone-reports-covid/

But Gov. Stitt is guilty of no crime, just some governing that some people find intolerably wrong and controversial. So it's up to voters to remove him when time for his reelection, something I certainly wouldn't count on happening.

I am not so sure of that -- did he risk the lives of 3.957 Million Oklahomans by hiding the CDC reports (1). Didn't he wasted $2 Million in Oklahoma Tax monies buying trump's placebo(2). Also, didn't he enter into an illegal compact with Indian tribes(3)? All of these seem criminal...

(1) https://kfor.com/news/ok-health-officials-gov-stitts-office-withheld-white-house-covid-19-report-recommendations-from-public/

(2) https://oklahoman.com/article/5661157/stitt-defends-2-million-purchase-of-malaria-drug-touted-by-trump

(3) https://oklahoman.com/article/5661702/ag-opinion-governors-recent-tribal-gaming-compacts-prohibited-by-law

Apparently this story is what forced Stitt's hand, according to random Twitter people:


https://publicintegrity.org/health/coronavirus-and-inequality/white-house-coronavirus-red-zone-reports-covid/
But as far as I knew he only got pressured or “forced” to admit and post the recommendations. But has any real action been taken so far?

I am not so sure of that -- did he risk the lives of 3.957 Million Oklahomans by hiding the CDC reports (1). Didn't he wasted $2 Million in Oklahoma Tax monies buying trump's placebo(2). Also, didn't he enter into an illegal compact with Indian tribes(3)? All of these seem criminal...

(1) https://kfor.com/news/ok-health-officials-gov-stitts-office-withheld-white-house-covid-19-report-recommendations-from-public/

(2) https://oklahoman.com/article/5661157/stitt-defends-2-million-purchase-of-malaria-drug-touted-by-trump

(3) https://oklahoman.com/article/5661702/ag-opinion-governors-recent-tribal-gaming-compacts-prohibited-by-law
If Stitt broke any laws from above, I certainly don't expect the Republican State Legislature to move to impeach and oust him. Once again, it's up to the voters to throw out Stitt when reelection time comes, if they don't like how he has governed the state.

I can see Stitt being impeached and ousted, though, if he puts the entire state under lockdown, due to covid and refuses demands to lift it. But can't see him doing such a thing.

Dillon Richards says the rumor that OSDH has changed which positive tests are included is untrue.

https://twitter.com/KOCODillon/status/1297962924967944193

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgNKUf8XgAI9kk6?format=png&name=900x900

I was relieved to see this report tonight. I appreciate that Dillon Richards goes to great lengths to clarify information in his reports, and immediately address rumors like this.

N/m. I was speculating on a possible Senate vacancy, and decided to delete.

CDC now recommending asymptomatic people who have been exposed to the virus not get tested unless they begin showing symptoms.

CDC now recommending asymptomatic people who have been exposed to the virus not get tested unless they begin showing symptoms.

Probably because rapid tests don't always produce a false positive while PCR tests do even if you were actually sick and infections last month. Plus, its takes several days to get results back from PCR tests so your always looking at last weeks pandemic.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/coronavirus-updates-cdc-forecast-predicts-death-toll-200000/story?id=72367904

9:24 p.m.: FDA warns against rapid tests for asymptomatic people
People without COVID-19 symptoms and who aren't known to have been exposed to the virus shouldn't necessarily be screened with a rapid test, the Food and Drug Administration said Friday in updated guidance on its website.

This new guidance raises questions about whether businesses, sports teams and others are too reliant on the rapid tests to screen asymptomatic people because they are less sensitive than PCR tests.

PHOTO: A health worker test a man for COVID-19 at a pop up testing location on the boardwalk at Revere Beach in Revere, Mass., on Aug. 11, 2020.
Joseph Prezioso/AFP via Getty Images
Joseph Prezioso/AFP via Getty Images
A health worker test a man for COVID-19 at a pop up testing location on the boardwalk at Revere Beach in Revere, Mass., on Aug. 11, 2020.
A health worker test a man for COVID-19 at a pop up testing location on the boardwalk at Revere Beach in Revere, Mass., on Aug. 11, 2020.
"'Negative' results should be considered as 'presumptive negative,' and healthcare providers should consider them in the context of clinical observations, patient history, and epidemiological information," the FDA wrote on its webpage.

Rapid diagnostic tests are done with a nasal or throat swab and can deliver results in an hour or less. They can be molecular or antigen tests, but not antibody tests.

CDC now recommending asymptomatic people who have been exposed to the virus not get tested unless they begin showing symptoms.

I don't understand this guidance at all when huge numbers of transmissions occur from asymptomatic or presymptomatic carriers. Are we short on tests again or is this political interference?

650 new cases today.

14 additional reported deaths.

I don't understand this guidance at all when huge numbers of transmissions occur from asymptomatic or presymptomatic carriers. Are we short on tests again or is this political interference?

I doubt it is political. CDC has never really catered to Trump.

Today, Enid went ahead of Stillwater for total number of positive covid cases. I wonder how high up Enid is going to go before peaking out without a required mask mandate.

Today, Enid went ahead of Stillwater for total number of positive covid cases. I wonder how high up Enid is going to go before peaking out without a required mask mandate.

Sky's the limit in dumbville.

Today, Enid went ahead of Stillwater for total number of positive covid cases. I wonder how high up Enid is going to go before peaking out without a required mask mandate.

It's only been a few days since Weedstock. I'm sure Stillwater can take back that crown.

I don't understand this guidance at all when huge numbers of transmissions occur from asymptomatic or presymptomatic carriers. Are we short on tests again or is this political interference?

From a containment standpoint, I don't think it makes much sense either. It also kind of establishes the idea that test sensitivity and speed are negatively related, which isn't always the case.

But, this covers some of the angles:

Inaccurate results from rapid COVID-19 tests raise concerns about widespread screening (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/08/25/covid-testing-mass-rapid-tests-raise-questions-accuracy-impact/3347777001/)

It seems that a lot of the issue is managing behavior based on the results. That is, do you close schools, businesses, camps, etc. if there is a positive result from a testing method shown to be less sensitive? The flip side is that if an asymptomatic person actively spreads it, resulting in multiple symptomatic cases that lead to tests that won't have results for 10 days, a lot of schools, businesses, camps, etc. will be closed because of that, and it will be too late.

IF we could identify most infected people before they spread it, it would be relatively under control and the rapid tests would obviously be a great tool to use to do that. But it would also take a great deal of coordination and resources. That's obviously not going to happen anytime soon, so maybe they feel that the downsides of using rapid tests in an uncoordinated way outweighs potential benefits??

It's only been a few days since Weedstock. I'm sure Stillwater can take back that crown.

People thought the Tulsa Trump rally was going to be quite a viral disaster, but eventually OKC overtook Tulsa in total positive cases, though, probably not a big surprise since OKC has more people.

People thought the Tulsa Trump rally was going to be quite a viral disaster, but eventually OKC overtook Tulsa in total positive cases, though, probably not a big surprise since OKC has more people.

The Tulsa City County Health Department was able to trace 500 plus infections from that rally, so, what happened there is what we expected would happen.

Both Stephanie Bice and Terry Neese had large indoor watch parties where almost no one was wearing a mask, including our governor.

Not only is this an unbelievable lack of leadership, but how is this not against the current laws?

Both Stephanie Bice and Terry Neese had large indoor watch parties where almost no one was wearing a mask, including our governor.

Not only is this an unbelievable lack of leadership, but how is this not against the current laws?

That is exactly what I was thinking last night.

I doubt it is political. CDC has never really catered to Trump.

It all goes back to this. If you get tested too soon, you'll just come out negative and not bother getting tested again.


This new guidance raises questions about whether businesses, sports teams and others are too reliant on the rapid tests to screen asymptomatic people because they are less sensitive than PCR tests.

Both Stephanie Bice and Terry Neese had large indoor watch parties where almost no one was wearing a mask, including our governor.

Not only is this an unbelievable lack of leadership, but how is this not against the current laws?

If businesses keep bitching about no customers, not being able to make money, going out of business, or anything like that - point to this. I will not be eating inside, doing any more than the most cursory shopping inside (aside from grocery stores), or doing *anything* that involves being inside until we have a (good) vaccine, because of this right here.

Both Stephanie Bice and Terry Neese had large indoor watch parties where almost no one was wearing a mask, including our governor.

Not only is this an unbelievable lack of leadership, but how is this not against the current laws?
But remember. The current law is only a mandate that is “enforced” by the Code Enforcement office that might not get to a complaint for days.
That said. As leaders and representatives of those leaders everyone there should have been wearing masks and distancing just as a show of being responsible citizens. But no. Another sad showing of how too many don’t take this virus seriously. And why we have a very long road ahead.

Both Stephanie Bice and Terry Neese had large indoor watch parties where almost no one was wearing a mask, including our governor.

Not only is this an unbelievable lack of leadership, but how is this not against the current laws?

It is definitely against the law.

I doubt it is political. CDC has never really catered to Trump.

How does this new policy comport with case based intervention(contact tracing)?
I have not seen an actual rationale for this, but I have seen POTUS call for less testing when he was in Tulsa.

It is definitely against the law.

A law that no one is enforcing is not a law, just a request/recommendation. The mask mandates in Oklahoma are not very strong (nor are they strong anywhere. Oregon is the same way when I went up there last week. No one was wearing a mask unless ABSOLUTELY required, which was minimal.

A law that no one is enforcing is not a law, just a request/recommendation. The mask mandates in Oklahoma are not very strong (nor are they strong anywhere. Oregon is the same way when I went up there last week. No one was wearing a mask unless ABSOLUTELY required, which was minimal.

It's an ordinance which is a law.

Regardless of whether it was a law or not, you'd think our leaders, most of whom at least publicly have encouraged mask wearing, would go out of their way to wear masks themselves, even in situations where they may not be required, in order to continue to set an example.