Six days ago Clark was talking about closing bars after touring CC and observing non compliance with public health mandates.

UPDATED: Mayor discussing tighter restrictions on bars, restaurant | News | normantranscript.com
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.normantranscript.com/news/updated-mayor-discussing-tighter-restrictions-on-bars-restaurant/article_c9e0a1b6-dcde-11ea-afd3-a35bd2f82d95.amp.html

i wish they would go to 50% capacity here in norman.

Could The Key To Treating COVID-19 Be In Our Nose? (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/nose-treating-covid-19_l_5f3d54ccc5b6155140506629)

Unfortunately, there are exceptions to the rule that college kids don't get severely sick from COVID as this one from OSU can candidly tell you. He came down with it bad last June after working in a bar and still is having lingering after effects with breathing. Once again, whether you're young or old, this COVID virus is not something to fool around with. You have no idea if you'll get very sick from it or not. I hope plenty of college students have read his story:

https://www.ocolly.com/news/my-experience-with-covid-19/article_90771cf6-dce9-11ea-8258-fbfc393744ed.html

So the cloth surgical masks that pretty much everybody (including doctors and nurses) employed by a hospital/clinic wears are useless against the virus, according to your doctor? What kind of mask were they wearing when they told you this?

Not sure but don't think he was wearing a mask since it was a phone conversation. But I will check when I do go to my appointment. He told me that cloth masks were not made to stop viruses but N95 masks were made for that protection. He said N95 mask-Latex gloves and hand sanitizer

Not sure but don't think he was wearing a mask since it was a phone conversation. But I will check when I do go to my appointment. He told me that cloth masks were not made to stop viruses but N95 masks were made for that protection. He said N95 mask-Latex gloves and hand sanitizer


BTW, I know my wifes doc and nurse wears the blue surgical masks.

Pokes issue plea to fellow OSU students about pandemic precautions
https://www.stwnewspress.com/sports/osu_sports/cowboys-issue-plea-to-fellow-osu-students-about-pandemic-precautions/article_4d7be93a-605e-5952-ab62-07a6cdb74962.html

New emergency bar rules now in effect in Stillwater. No more dancing allowed, so gotta go to Tumbleweed to do that.

http://okie.world/photos/stwbarrules.jpg

New emergency bar rules now in effect in Stillwater. No more dancing allowed, so gotta go to Tumbleweed to do that.

http://okie.world/photos/stwbarrules.jpg

Time for a bondfire.

Not sure but don't think he was wearing a mask since it was a phone conversation. But I will check when I do go to my appointment. He told me that cloth masks were not made to stop viruses but N95 masks were made for that protection. He said N95 mask-Latex gloves and hand sanitizer
While it is true that cloth masks don’t stop ALL virus and they weren’t DESIGNED FOR stopping all viruses, they do in fact help. If you’ve read and researched, the virus is carried on droplets you expirate from your mouth. Many of those droplets are stopped by the mask, ergo the virus attached is too. The masks also slow the velocity of breath and reduce the throw of the more minute particulates that may get through the more porous media. Therefore cloth masks are significantly effective, though not DESIGNED to be TOTALLY effective. That’s why masks + distancing of 6’ plus is the correct strategy.

I’m wondering how many anti maskers only use hepa filters on their ACs since regular filters don’t catch everything.

When it comes to the covid, I guess common sense just isn’t common.

BTW, I know my wifes doc and nurse wears the blue surgical masks.

You should tell them not to bother with them since your doc said they don't stop the virus, it'd save their organization a whole bunch of money if they don't have to buy them any longer. :)

OSU football players are pleading with their fellow students to get it together.

https://tulsaworld.com/sports/college/osu/guerin-emig-spencer-sanders-goes-deep-on-why-parties-raging-at-osu-must-stop/article_89a5c543-9623-52cf-b60c-45021b1369d6.html

746 new cases today up from 705 last Thursday.

10 more reported deaths.

I believe this was posted once by somebody else, a long time ago, in the political thread, thought I'd post it here.

The public deserves the most complete data available about COVID-19 in the US. No official source is providing it, so we are. (https://covidtracking.com/)

While it is true that cloth masks don’t stop ALL virus and they weren’t DESIGNED FOR stopping all viruses, they do in fact help. If you’ve read and researched, the virus is carried on droplets you expirate from your mouth. Many of those droplets are stopped by the mask, ergo the virus attached is too. The masks also slow the velocity of breath and reduce the throw of the more minute particulates that may get through the more porous media. Therefore cloth masks are significantly effective, though not DESIGNED to be TOTALLY effective. That’s why masks + distancing of 6’ plus is the correct strategy.

I’m wondering how many anti maskers only use hepa filters on their ACs since regular filters don’t catch everything.

When it comes to the covid, I guess common sense just isn’t common.

Non hepa filters rated MERV-13 can catch most viruses, but are more expensive.

Non hepa filters rated MERV-13 can catch most viruses, but are more expensive.

So, less than top of the line that are designed to filter out EVERYTHING can still be effective? Thank you for making my point. We don't have to wear surgical masks to be afforded a good deal of protection with other masks.

There was a study recently that pointed to the effectiveness of even homemade cloth masks at stopping this virus. Yes, the virus is so tiny that it can sneak through these masks, but the point that you all are missing is that the virus does not free float on its own through the air. It’s almost always attached to spit droplets of some sort. That’s how the move from one person to the next. These cloth masks are more than capable of filtering out these droplets. Even still. It may allow only the smallest aerosol droplet through or around, but the viral load at that point is much diminished. If I can find the study tonight, I will post it.

A couple comments.

1. Doctors are certainly better sources than most, but I have heard lots of doctors—and friends' doctors—give incorrect COVID information. I am not saying don't listen to doctors, I'm just saying they're not epidemiologists and not all keep up with emerging research... and some doctors are also prone to misinformation. And there's a lot of different types of doctors with different areas of which they know more or less... not all doctors are the same. Anyway, it's always wise to corroborate sources and info from people, researchers, etc.

2. I will say that I made my way through my college campus yesterday and every single student was wearing a mask outdoors. They really didn't even need to be wearing them a lot of the time as they were a good distance from other people. It's good to see at least some young people are taking this seriously to protect others.

Here's the WH Corona Virus Task Force summary that hasn't been released and the recommendations that Stitt is ignoring. No wonder the media was not allowed to hear from Dr. Birx.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/7041272-Oklahoma-8-16-20.html

1,077 new cases today. Biggest Friday number ever and most new cases in over 2 weeks.

6 additional reported deaths.

1,077 new cases today. Biggest Friday number ever and most new cases in over 2 weeks.

6 additional reported deaths.

Schools? Little league? "Gotta live my life?"

The next spike is underway.

Is it just me but does OSDH always have "technical errors" releasing the info whenever it is a big case or death day? Do they have to brief the governor and drag it out?

Alex Cameron
@AlexDCameron
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13h
According to docs obtained by ⁦@publicintegrity⁩, the White House is recommending that Gov. Stitt implement a statewide mask mandate, close bars, and limit restaurant seating; Stitt says Dr. Birx made no such recommendations during her recent visit

https://publicintegrity.org/health/coronavirus-and-inequality/white-house-coronavirus-red-zone-reports-covid/

Schools? Little league? "Gotta live my life?"

The next spike is underway.

Is it just me but does OSDH always have "technical errors" releasing the info whenever it is a big case or death day? Do they have to brief the governor and drag it out?

Actually the new normal until there is a good vaccine. There will be ups and downs until either everyone gets it or there is a vaccine that can really slow it down.

Alex Cameron
@AlexDCameron
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13h
According to docs obtained by ⁦@publicintegrity⁩, the White House is recommending that Gov. Stitt implement a statewide mask mandate, close bars, and limit restaurant seating; Stitt says Dr. Birx made no such recommendations during her recent visit

https://publicintegrity.org/health/coronavirus-and-inequality/white-house-coronavirus-red-zone-reports-covid/
Stitt seems to want to align himself as closely as possible with Trump. Would not be surprised to see some of these measures implemented pretty quickly if they were in fact handed down from the WH.

Actually the new normal until there is a good vaccine. There will be ups and downs until either everyone gets it or there is a vaccine that can really slow it down.

This is false, and it is a false choice. There are more than two outcomes possible here. You seem to swing from one extreme pole to the other. Shut everything down or we are all going to get it. Other countries have proven that this is not the case.

We can and should be able to live with this virus and minimize the spread of it to almost exclusively the most foolhardy among us. Alas, we do not have competent or sane leadership on the federal level, and we have either clueless or delusional leadership on the state level.

But to say it's only we all get it or we get the vaccine is not true at all. It's just that we have a lot of people among us, in our city and state, who refuse to accept a new normal and are trying to force people into the frame of what they think life should look like, when there are workable alternatives to it.

This is false, and it is a false choice. There are more than two outcomes possible here. You seem to swing from one extreme pole to the other. Shut everything down or we are all going to get it. Other countries have proven that this is not the case.

We can and should be able to live with this virus and minimize the spread of it to almost exclusively the most foolhardy among us. Alas, we do not have competent or sane leadership on the federal level, and we have either clueless or delusional leadership on the state level.

But to say it's only we all get it or we get the vaccine is not true at all. It's just that we have a lot of people among us, in our city and state, who refuse to accept a new normal and are trying to force people into the frame of what they think life should look like, when there are workable alternatives to it.

Sorry but the new Normal is having over at least 500 cases a day. We have 5 months already and proved that we are not going to slow the virus like other counties. The new normal is having this virus around.

Month Summary
As expected, August month summary is shaping up to be pretty grim. Average deaths/day currently 26% higher in August than April.
https://i.imgur.com/EnOoF9C.png

Rolling Death/Case Averages

Hopefully just a blip (like last Saturday) but today's high case count pushes the 7 day average above the 14 day case average. Unfortunately, the 7-Day death average remains slightly below all time highs.

https://i.imgur.com/d6pOMDQ.png

Rolling Cases Average

As seen above, the 7/14/21 day case averages are converging and making a mess of the plots. Hopefully, the 21 day will fall tomorrow, as the Aug-1 case count of 1,244 will roll out of the calculation.

https://i.imgur.com/A8e1cRb.png

Alex Cameron
@AlexDCameron
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13h
According to docs obtained by ⁦@publicintegrity⁩, the White House is recommending that Gov. Stitt implement a statewide mask mandate, close bars, and limit restaurant seating; Stitt says Dr. Birx made no such recommendations during her recent visit

https://publicintegrity.org/health/coronavirus-and-inequality/white-house-coronavirus-red-zone-reports-covid/

So it comes down to credability and reasons to qustion that credability.

This is false, and it is a false choice. There are more than two outcomes possible here. You seem to swing from one extreme pole to the other. Shut everything down or we are all going to get it. Other countries have proven that this is not the case.

We can and should be able to live with this virus and minimize the spread of it to almost exclusively the most foolhardy among us. Alas, we do not have competent or sane leadership on the federal level, and we have either clueless or delusional leadership on the state level.

But to say it's only we all get it or we get the vaccine is not true at all. It's just that we have a lot of people among us, in our city and state, who refuse to accept a new normal and are trying to force people into the frame of what they think life should look like, when there are workable alternatives to it.

And this list of countries gets smaller everyday.

Sorry but the new Normal is having over at least 500 cases a day. We have 5 months already and proved that we are not going to slow the virus like other counties. The new normal is having this virus around.

I don't think I necessarily agree with this. The swings in case count seem dependent on population density and how hard a state/country has been hit. The lower populated states are going to see the biggest impact this third wave. Oklahoma kind of falls in the middle. California, Texas, Florida, Arizona are seeing huge decreases, but they also got hit a lot harder.

I don't think I necessarily agree with this. The swings in case count seem dependent on population density and how hard a state/country has been hit. The lower populated states are going to see the biggest impact this third wave. Oklahoma kind of falls in the middle. California, Texas, Florida, Arizona are seeing huge decreases, but they also got hit a lot harder.

Texas had over 5,000 cases again today. They have only had 5 days in 2 months where they haven't reported over 5,000 cases. I guess what i'm trying to say is having this virus around is the new normal at least for now. it's not going away anytime soon. Yeah there might be highs and lows but no large gatherings, having to wear a mask, those things are here to stay for at least a couple more months.

Texas had over 5,000 cases again today. They have only had 5 days in 2 months where they haven't reported over 5,000 cases. I guess what i'm trying to say is having this virus around is the new normal at least for now. it's not going away anytime soon. Yeah there might be highs and lows but no large gatherings, having to wear a mask, those things are here to stay for at least a couple more months.There are no mandates against large gatherings and that is pretty a big part of the problem. And stop with the couple of months comments. This is how it is for the foreseeable future.

There are no mandates against large gatherings and that is pretty a big part of the problem. And stop with the couple of months comments. This is how it is for the foreseeable future.

Until there is a good vaccine or everyone gets it and hopefully herd immunity which went back to my original post Having Covid cases every day is the new normal.

Stitt bows to pressure to release White House reports on coronavirus (https://oklahoman.com/article/5669771/stitt-bows-to-pressure-to-release-white-house-reports-on-coronavirus)
BY CARMEN FORMAN
Published: Fri, August 21, 2020 5:47 PM

Following complaints from local Oklahoma officials who say they have been kept out of the loop, Gov. Kevin Stitt said his administration will make public coronavirus reports the state receives from the White House.

Stitt has not been releasing the reports from the White House Coronavirus Task Force, nor implementing many of the public health recommendations in those reports.

...

Bynum said he also was surprised when Birx said Sunday that eight White House reports had been issued. He said he was only aware of one that had been previously leaked to the media.

Until there is a good vaccine or everyone gets it and hopefully herd immunity which went back to my original post Having Covid cases every day is the new normal.

Having cases? Sure.

Having thousands of cases? Absolutely not.

Until there is a good vaccine or everyone gets it and hopefully herd immunity which went back to my original post Having Covid cases every day is the new normal.You ended your post with “those things are here to stay for at least a couple more months”. A couple months isn’t a new normal. Normal is permanent or until something comes along to change it and that will likely be next year sometime. Like soonerguru said earlier, your comments are all over the place.

Stitt bows to pressure to release White House reports on coronavirus (https://oklahoman.com/article/5669771/stitt-bows-to-pressure-to-release-white-house-reports-on-coronavirus)
BY CARMEN FORMAN
Published: Fri, August 21, 2020 5:47 PM

Following complaints from local Oklahoma officials who say they have been kept out of the loop, Gov. Kevin Stitt said his administration will make public coronavirus reports the state receives from the White House.

Stitt has not been releasing the reports from the White House Coronavirus Task Force, nor implementing many of the public health recommendations in those reports.

...

Bynum said he also was surprised when Birx said Sunday that eight White House reports had been issued. He said he was only aware of one that had been previously leaked to the media.

Stitt is worse than Fallin. I didn't think it was possible.

Stitt is worse than Fallin. I didn't think it was possible.
I didn’t either, but if he’s not, he’s damn close!

So, Stitt has been sitting on these White House task force reports and recommendations... Not sharing them with mayors, school districts or anyone else having to make big public health decisions.

And the only reason he is now changing is because a national group outed him and then leaders started to come down on him. EIGHT of these have been issued and the only one anyone saw was the one leaked to the media.

On top of all that, he takes every opportunity to 1) boast about how well things are going even though the national experts are saying the exact opposite; and 2) completely contradict the detailed recommendations of the people specifically empowered by our democracy to provide this sort of guidance and expertise.


And of course, throughout this entire time, after starting off in pretty good shape, we have some of the worst rates of growth anywhere and people are dying while families and small businesses are facing all types of financial ruin.

Awesome.

I’m truly disgusted with, ashamed of and totally pissed off at our absolutely worthless, lying excuse for a governor. That being said. In the interest of being consistent in my beliefs since this thing started I also have pretty much identical feelings about a large bunch of people in general pertaining to COVID.

I’m truly disgusted with, ashamed of and totally pissed off at our absolutely worthless, lying excuse for a governor. That being said. In the interest of being consistent in my beliefs since this thing started I also have pretty much identical feelings about a large bunch of people in general pertaining to COVID.

Well more people should have voted for Mick and I bet he would have put the hammer down long ago.

You ended your post with “those things are here to stay for at least a couple more months”. A couple months isn’t a new normal. Normal is permanent or until something comes along to change it and that will likely be next year sometime. Like soonerguru said earlier, your comments are all over the place.

living with covid is the new normal until there is a good vaccine or herd immunity nor sure how it isn't but whatever.

Stitt bows to pressure to release White House reports on coronavirus (https://oklahoman.com/article/5669771/stitt-bows-to-pressure-to-release-white-house-reports-on-coronavirus)
BY CARMEN FORMAN
Published: Fri, August 21, 2020 5:47 PM

Following complaints from local Oklahoma officials who say they have been kept out of the loop, Gov. Kevin Stitt said his administration will make public coronavirus reports the state receives from the White House.

Stitt has not been releasing the reports from the White House Coronavirus Task Force, nor implementing many of the public health recommendations in those reports.

...

Bynum said he also was surprised when Birx said Sunday that eight White House reports had been issued. He said he was only aware of one that had been previously leaked to the media.

Good to see my harshly worded tweets finally go through to him :p

Gov. Stitt’s office withheld White House COVID-19 report recommendations from public

OKLAHOMA CITY (KFOR) – White House reports focused on recommendations specifically for Oklahoma’s COVID-19 response have, until this week, been withheld from local health officials across the state. The most recent report states Oklahoma needs a statewide mask mandate and that bars must close.

“We’re truly disappointed that Gov. Stitt and our leadership hasn’t shared information,” said Dr. George Monks, president of the Oklahoma State Medical Association.

Good to see my harshly worded tweets finally go through to him :p

You aren't the only one! Haha... Stitt's Tweet comments are hilarious! He gets decimated on every single thing he posts. He will also erase tweets and re-post them to clear out some of the comments.

I didn’t either, but if he’s not, he’s damn close!

Fallin was rather worthless, but she did not endanger her constituents. Stitt needs to be recalled.

Chris Polansky
@ChrisKPolansky
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@ChrisKPolansky
Birx’s visit to Tulsa was shrouded in secrecy as she visited Oklahoma as part of a seven-state tour. Oklahoma was the only state in which she was not made available to speak to reporters.


Chris Polansky
@ChrisKPolansky
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Bynum said and Stitt confirmed on Sunday that the governor’s office denied Bynum’s request to have Dr. Bruce Dart, the director of the Tulsa Health Department, present for the meeting. The governor cited capacity concerns.

Local Officials Across Oklahoma 'Blindsided,' 'Shocked' By White House Report Not Shared By Governor (https://www.publicradiotulsa.org/post/local-officials-across-oklahoma-blindsided-shocked-white-house-report-not-shared-governor)

The new report from the White House coronavirus task force, which counts Vice President Mike Pence as its chair and Dr. Deborah Birx as its coordinator, is dated Sunday, Aug. 16th, the same day as Birx’s visit with Gov. Kevin Stitt in Tulsa. Following that meeting, Stitt said “there wasn’t really any recommendations that she made in this meeting,” and said specifically that she had not recommended a statewide mask mandate nor a statewide bar closure.

“Mask mandate needs to be implemented statewide to decrease community transmission,” the leaked report reads, in a section on the first page labeled RECOMMENDATIONS. “Bars must be closed, and indoor dining must be restricted in yellow and red zone counties and metro areas.”

You can see the full White House report for Oklahoma issued on 8-16-20 here:

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/covidwhitehouse081620.pdf

Maybe it's the social media channels I use, but I'm surprised it isn't more of a thing I see.

Well more people should have voted for Mick and I bet he would have put the hammer down long ago.

You do realize that less than 50% of registered voters were even eligible to make that choice.

Fallin was rather worthless, but she did not endanger her constituents. Stitt needs to be recalled.

State elected officials are protected from recall. We're efffed

853 new cases today.

10 more reported deaths.

This is totally appalling. Stitt didn’t think this info would get out? And this was all telegraphed when he denied reporters access to Birx and refused to allow the Tulsa City County Health official to attend the meeting.

He just wants schools to open regardless of the circumstances.

https://www.publicradiotulsa.org/post/local-officials-across-oklahoma-blindsided-shocked-white-house-report-not-shared-governor?fbclid=IwAR2FxPO4ZTQ-xVBHNZNRwHHAcObVYobKutyrWZJZY0gFAwfgrupj8Cfi0DQ

Fallin was rather worthless, but she did not endanger her constituents. Stitt needs to be recalled.

Don't think OK has the mechanism for that, wish we did, though, I'd be out gathering signatures 25 hours a day.

Enid City Council by a large margin voted last month not to have a required mask mandate. So what happened? Enid became a hot spot and has gone ahead of Lawton in positive numbers. Enid is now not far behind Stillwater. That will be quite a victory for required masks if Enid gets ahead of Stillwater. Two smaller cities than Stillwater and Lawton without mandatory mask mandates, Yukon and Claremore, are already out in front of both of them.

I’m truly disgusted with, ashamed of and totally pissed off at our absolutely worthless, lying excuse for a governor. That being said. In the interest of being consistent in my beliefs since this thing started I also have pretty much identical feelings about a large bunch of people in general pertaining to COVID.

Political wise, I could have understood it a bit better what Stitt didn't want to do had the recommendations come from a Democrat administration.

If we want counties still at double digit numbers for positive cases to stay that way, required masking would help ensure they stay that way. There's not very many counties left enjoying double digit numbers.

Don't think OK has the mechanism for that, wish we did, though, I'd be out gathering signatures 25 hours a day.

Looks like someone wanted to lay the way back in 1994. . . see para E

http://www.oklegislature.gov/cf_pdf/1993-94%20INT/hres/HJR1062%20INT.pdf

I believe he is liable for impeachment, but don't think that is likely. . .

Don't think OK has the mechanism for that, wish we did, though, I'd be out gathering signatures 25 hours a day.

Yes, unfortunately you are correct.

Political wise, I could have understood it a bit better what Stitt didn't want to do had the recommendations come from a Democrat administration.

If we want counties still at double digit numbers for positive cases to stay that way, required masking would help ensure they stay that way. There's not very many counties left enjoying double digit numbers.

This should never have been political.

This should never have been political.
Truer words have never been spoken!