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soonerguru
08-14-2020, 11:57 AM
Here is a list from today of known transmissions in schools. Add Kingfisher to the list as well.

13 Oklahoma School Districts with Covid-19 During First Week of Reopening‼
This is by no means a comprehensive list... just what we know so far. I'm sure there are more cases in Oklahoma schools, but I think it illustrates the volume we are dealing with before the school year really gets fully started. All but one of these districts have switched to virtual or delayed in-person school.
1- Kingston
2- Bennington
3- McAlester
4- Colbert
5- Hartshorne
6- Shawnee
7- Newcastle
8- Hulbert
9- Marietta
10- Tulsa, Bishop Kelley
11- Broken Arrow (33 employees)
12- Mid-Del (4 employees)
13- Boswell

soonerguru
08-14-2020, 11:59 AM
By the last 5 EORs we’ve averaged a little over 8,500 test results per day. That’s as high as it’s ever been. I don’t know where to reports that testing rates are dropping are getting their data.

"Results." What does that mean? I'm not taking issue with your reporting it's just that we had a tremendous backlog of tests for several weeks, with tests pending. That number could have shrunk dramatically and not affect the number of "results."

Bill Robertson
08-14-2020, 12:01 PM
"Results." What does that mean? I'm not taking issue with your reporting it's just that we had a tremendous backlog of tests for several weeks, with tests pending. That number could have shrunk dramatically and not affect the number of "results."The EORs have a column of “Total Tests Reported” each day. Actually it should be titled “Total completed test results, positive and negative”. The only thing pending tests have to do with this is that they will eventually be completed and be in some day’s Total Tests Reported column.

brian72
08-14-2020, 12:05 PM
I think all schools should be shut down till at least the end of this school year. Masking the kids will not work.

David
08-14-2020, 12:10 PM
Mask requirements for the general community were also declared to not work right up until we tried them and have had (anecdotally speaking based on observations) nearly full compliance and what looks like the start of a downward slope to our community spread.

As people have been pointing out, if you can regulate skirt lengths and ban tank tops in schools you can mandate masks.

soonerguru
08-14-2020, 12:52 PM
I think all schools should be shut down till at least the end of this school year. Masking the kids will not work.

I agree. Masks work when you are in situations where you briefly cannot maintain distancing, say, 30 minutes a at a grocery store. The science known about transmission is that the particles linger in the air for up to two hours in indoor spaces. So one kid may not have his mask on right, sneeze, and those particles are floating around in the air in environments without good air filtration.

The masks limit the spread and should be mandatory for sure, but sitting in a room with 20-30 kids for hours during the day would probably stretch the envelope on the prevention masks provide.

BDP
08-14-2020, 01:03 PM
I have seen conflicting information on testing in Oklahoma, with some saying "flat" to another source saying 40% fewer tests. In my own case, new hurdles were put up to get a swab test. The "rapid tests" are not counted in our case numbers. Could there be a political motive to pushing people toward the rapid testing?

I can't say I understand the politics of this whole thing to begin with or why rapid testing results are not reported, but anything that would boost rapid testing would be a good thing. I know they're not as sensitive, but identifying infected people before they spread it is really the key.

This is a pretty good in depth look at what we're doing and what we could be doing, in terms of testing, if there was any will to do so.

The Plan That Could Give Us Our Lives Back:
The U.S. has never had enough coronavirus tests. Now a group of epidemiologists, economists, and dreamers is plotting a new strategy to defeat the virus, even before a vaccine is found. (https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/08/how-to-test-every-american-for-covid-19-every-day/615217/)

Basically, many epidemiologists think we can control it, even without a vaccine, using rapid saliva tests. But it would take investment and centralized coordination to get it to scale. In a way, if we had committed as much to a comprehensive testing strategy as we have to vaccine development (which we still don't know will work), we'd probably have it under control and wouldn't have to be taking a "cross our fingers" approach to schools, sports, and reopening in general. Public health and the economy would not have to be pitted against each other as it seems to be now.

BoulderSooner
08-14-2020, 01:09 PM
Mask requirements for the general community were also declared to not work right up until we tried them and have had (anecdotally speaking based on observations) nearly full compliance and what looks like the start of a downward slope to our community spread.

As people have been pointing out, if you can regulate skirt lengths and ban tank tops in schools you can mandate masks.

Hawaii has among the strictest rules in the country and they are having an outbreak sweeden denmark and norway have no maks mandate and seem to be doing no worse (or better ) than the rest of europe

BoulderSooner
08-14-2020, 01:10 PM
I think all schools should be shut down till at least the end of this school year. Masking the kids will not work.

all schools should be open and in person with the option to virtual learn if wanted

RustytheBailiff
08-14-2020, 01:28 PM
all schools should be open and in person with the option to virtual learn if wanted

Only lunatics open schools in a pandemic. Unfortunately, we are not lacking for lunatics...

David
08-14-2020, 01:37 PM
Hawaii has among the strictest rules in the country and they are having an outbreak sweeden denmark and norway have no maks mandate and seem to be doing no worse (or better ) than the rest of europe


all schools should be open and in person with the option to virtual learn if wanted

There is absolutely no reason to take you seriously.

BDP
08-14-2020, 01:39 PM
Sweden has about 8200 confirmed cases per million people as of 12 August, compared with 1780 in Norway and 2560 in Denmark.

Sweden has had 57 deaths per 100,000, compared with five in Norway and 11 in Denmark.

kukblue1
08-14-2020, 01:46 PM
Once again I think we need to find a way to keep the young away from the old. I'm not totally for schools opening however if the parents are young and healthy, teaches are young healthy then I can see it being ok. Not sure what the age would be 50? Death rate for under 50 is .0008 and probably even lower than that. Maybe 45? When kids get home from school they don't go over to grandparents house. They don't go over to a friends house where there might be someone living that is more vulnerable.

Collage age kids especially athletes mostly likely are not going to have a problem with this virus. How many positive test did Clemson have? In fact just googled and found a story. 800 and they think a lot more have tested positive. Looks like a few went to the hospital and had 2 weeks of being really sick.

So I really don't know what the answer is but at some point we are going to have to learn how to live with this.

LocoAko
08-14-2020, 03:09 PM
We're really off to a great start locally...

https://twitter.com/KOCODillon/status/1294358151257522176

Dillon Richards @KOCODillon

NEW: Moore Public Schools has informed parents that a student attended the first day of in-person class after testing positive for COVID-19, @KOCOPorsha confirms.

A spox tells Porsha the parents misunderstood guidelines and sent their child to class before quarantine end date

It is inevitable that asymptomatic kids will end up going to school (which, to me, speaks for itself re: whether schools should be reopening). It also seems likely that parents desperate to be able to go to work will give a kid with questionable symptoms a Tylenol and cross their fingers (unfortunately). But if guidelines and procedures for what happens for a confirmed positive case can't even be followed......

dankrutka
08-14-2020, 03:51 PM
Westmoore High School had a policy in place and parents sent their child who tested positive for COVID to school because they supposedly misunderstood the quarantine time required. lol. This is going to be such a ****show. I feel for all my former colleagues at Westmoore who must be so anxious, stressed, and upset.

LocoAko
08-14-2020, 04:18 PM
Edmond now also has a teacher who tested positive that was at school (before students were back). Teachers now quarantining for 14 days.

https://twitter.com/KOCODillon/status/1294382149395795971

WileyPostage
08-14-2020, 05:12 PM
Once again I think we need to find a way to keep the young away from the old.

For tens of thousands of Oklahomans there's no way to separate kids from the elderly. See http://www.grandfamilies.org/Portals/0/State%20Fact%20Sheets/Grandfamilies-Fact-Sheet-Oklahoma091519.pdf. There are over 45,000 Oklahoma grandparents who are raising their grandchildren without a parent in the household.

Nationwide, millions of kids have grandparents as their only caregivers. There are millions more who share households with grandparents or other elderly family members. When people suggest separating kids from the elderly, the consequence would be busting up 10.1% of the households in the U.S.

Libbymin
08-14-2020, 05:19 PM
I know that the plan for schools assumes that some people are just going to get sick and quarantining others is just inevitable, but at the rate it's happening, I have a hard time envisioning a scenario that doesn't ultimately result in schools going back to distance learning at some point.

kukblue1
08-14-2020, 06:04 PM
Why is the news saying a coach at this school is positive a teacher at this school is positive. Why don't we announce where everyone is working? A walmart worker has tested positive. A Mcdonalds worker has tested positive.

kukblue1
08-14-2020, 06:10 PM
For tens of thousands of Oklahomans there's no way to separate kids from the elderly. See http://www.grandfamilies.org/Portals/0/State%20Fact%20Sheets/Grandfamilies-Fact-Sheet-Oklahoma091519.pdf. There are over 45,000 Oklahoma grandparents who are raising their grandchildren without a parent in the household.

Nationwide, millions of kids have grandparents as their only caregivers. There are millions more who share households with grandparents or other elderly family members. When people suggest separating kids from the elderly, the consequence would be busting up 10.1% of the households in the U.S.

Wow didn't realize it was that high. That being said this virus isn't going to go away so at some point we are going to have to learn to live with it and go about normal living as much as we can.

Pete
08-14-2020, 06:49 PM
Nationwide, millions of kids have grandparents as their only caregivers. There are millions more who share households with grandparents or other elderly family members. When people suggest separating kids from the elderly, the consequence would be busting up 10.1% of the households in the U.S.

In the Latino culture, it's very common for multiple generations to live under one roof.

Most tend to look at these issues only through the we-warehouse-our-elderly white America lens.

dankrutka
08-14-2020, 07:16 PM
I know that the plan for schools assumes that some people are just going to get sick and quarantining others is just inevitable, but at the rate it's happening, I have a hard time envisioning a scenario that doesn't ultimately result in schools going back to distance learning at some point.

I've said before and I'll say it again, most schools are risk averse. There is no reason to think any of this will get better. So, we have two choices in my view:

1. A stressful, constant cycling of opening and closing schools, sending COVID positive emails to parents, and completely wearing out educators, or;
2. Go online and start solving the challenges. For example, why not go to asynchronous learning, but school buildings could remain open and support students/families who most need it. Let students use Internet, have a safe place to go, and teachers can support smaller numbers of students one-on-one. Encourage lower stakes, but important, educational activities like reading book clubs and media projects as opposed to standards-based instruction.

I just wish schools had been encouraged to re-think education for this year: more big projects, longer reading, etc. But, schools received little guidance or leadership.

Bunty
08-14-2020, 09:29 PM
all schools should be open and in person with the option to virtual learn if wanted

That is the way it will be with Stillwater schools. But will all return to online if cases increase to a certain level in Payne County. My guess is it won't take long for that to happen, unless masks really work with enough people wearing them.

Bunty
08-14-2020, 09:40 PM
rt.live is an interesting website. It shows graphs and details by state of the reproduction level of the virus over time. Oklahoma is one of the many states under 1.0, which isn't very bad, but needs to be better.

https://rt.live/

jerrywall
08-14-2020, 09:50 PM
Why is the news saying a coach at this school is positive a teacher at this school is positive. Why don't we announce where everyone is working? A walmart worker has tested positive. A Mcdonalds worker has tested positive.

Because schools are in the process of opening right now and the debate about whether or not it's appropriate is sort of the big thing currently? If McDonald's was the big item of debate I'm sure the news of a sick worker would be running across the headlines. In fact I remember when it would have been news (which in itself says something).

Bunty
08-15-2020, 01:20 AM
This is good news. OSU is reporting far less than expected positive corona cases:
https://www.stwnewspress.com/covid-19/breaking-osu-reports-22-positive-cases-while-testing-thousands-of-students-ahead-of-opening/article_84048296-de7f-11ea-841e-ff9a16486323.html#utm_source=stwnewspress.com&utm_campaign=%2Fcovid-19%2Fbreaking-osu-reports-22-positive-cases-while-testing-thousands-of-students-ahead-of-opening%2Farticle-84048296-de7f-11ea-841e-ff9a16486323.html%3Fmode%3Demail%26-dc%3D1597446361&utm_medium=auto%20alert%20email&utm_content=read%20more

Mask enforcers: OSU expects students, faculty to report people not wearing masks — and there's no clear penalty.
https://www.ocolly.com/news/mask-enforcers-osu-expects-students-faculty-to-report-people-not-wearing-masks-and-theres-no/article_52a79bbc-dd89-11ea-841d-63499b46f414.html

OSU’s ‘Cowboys Coming Back’ may rely solely on students not partying.
https://www.ocolly.com/news/osu-s-cowboys-coming-back-may-rely-solely-on-students-not-partying/article_8ce72722-dd82-11ea-a075-c35a5d165cbc.html

What happens to Stillwater when 25,000 students arrive back on campus?
https://www.ocolly.com/news/what-happens-to-stillwater-when-25-000-students-arrive-back-on-campus/article_c7d5a480-dd05-11ea-95da-5b1f6aea37bf.html#tncms-source=article-nav-next

Concerns regarding Stillwater music festival continue to increase.
https://www.ocolly.com/news/concerns-regarding-stillwater-music-festival-continue-to-increase/article_5cff0024-dce8-11ea-b796-6fc19d23ec45.html#tncms-source=article-nav-next

Bill Robertson
08-15-2020, 08:00 AM
rt.live is an interesting website. It shows graphs and details by state of the reproduction level of the virus over time. Oklahoma is one of the many states under 1.0, which isn't very bad, but needs to be better.

https://rt.live/There were very few states in the green a couple weeks ago. Last few days there have been 30 to 32. Of course all the people who don’t want to believe anything good are saying testing is being manipulated to make rt look better than it is.

C_M_25
08-15-2020, 08:34 AM
rt.live is an interesting website. It shows graphs and details by state of the reproduction level of the virus over time. Oklahoma is one of the many states under 1.0, which isn't very bad, but needs to be better.

https://rt.live/

Oklahoma was number 1 on that list about a month ago.

Bill Robertson
08-15-2020, 08:59 AM
Oklahoma was number 1 on that list about a month ago.
Yes we were. Then we stayed in the top ten for quite a while. Today we’re 35th. So we’re doing something right.

soonerguru
08-15-2020, 10:56 AM
Once again I think we need to find a way to keep the young away from the old. I'm not totally for schools opening however if the parents are young and healthy, teaches are young healthy then I can see it being ok. Not sure what the age would be 50? Death rate for under 50 is .0008 and probably even lower than that. Maybe 45? When kids get home from school they don't go over to grandparents house. They don't go over to a friends house where there might be someone living that is more vulnerable.

Collage age kids especially athletes mostly likely are not going to have a problem with this virus. How many positive test did Clemson have? In fact just googled and found a story. 800 and they think a lot more have tested positive. Looks like a few went to the hospital and had 2 weeks of being really sick.

So I really don't know what the answer is but at some point we are going to have to learn how to live with this.

IT IS NOT JUST ABOUT DEATHS. And, there are not “safe ages.”

At last count, 46 school districts had positive cases reported within the first two days of opening, including Moore and Mid-Del. The list keeps growing. None of those transmissions happened at schools, but just wait. Why are so many officials pushing the hygiene theater of “cleaning and sanitizing?” And temperature checks? That is not going to work to contain an airborne virus that is most commonly spread in enclosed environments by people talking to each other.

The school situation is already a total ****show.

Pete
08-15-2020, 11:10 AM
901 new cases today.

13 more reported deaths.


Numbers are starting to trend up again.

RustytheBailiff
08-15-2020, 01:43 PM
901 new cases today.

13 more reported deaths.


Numbers are starting to trend up again.

Just in time for school....


STAY SAFE WEAR MASKS

soonerguru
08-15-2020, 02:25 PM
Here is a list of known school districts reporting cases in the first week of school. These are only available because they have been reported. There are probably many more we don't know about. Unreal.

1- Achille
2- Avant
2- Barnsdall
3- Bennington
4- Boise City
5- Boswell
6- Broken Arrow (98 quarantined/33 positive)
7- Brushy
8- Canton
9- Clinton (Clinton HS & an elementary site)
10- Colbert (Westward Elementary)
11- Crescent
11- Dickson
12- Edmond (Edmond public school site)
13- Edmond (St Elizabeth Ann Seton Catholic/private school)
14- Elk City (an intermediate site)
15- Fort Towson
16- Goodwell
17- Guymon (Guymon MS)
18- Hartshorne
19- Heavener
20- Hulbert (Hulbert HS)
21- Indianola
22- Kingfisher (Heritage Elementary)
22- Kingston
23- Konawa
24- Lawton
25- Mannsville
26- Maryetta (Stilwell, OK)
27- McAlester
28- Mid-Del (Carl Albert MS)
29- Moore (Moore HS, Westmoore HS)
30- Morrison (Morrison Elementary)
31- Muskogee
32- New Lima (high school)
33- Newcastle (Newcastle Elementary)
34- OKCPS (Metro Tech & others)
35- Oktaha (Oktaha HS)
36- Pauls Valley (Pauls Valley HS
37- Pryor (middle school)
38- Putnam City
39- Quinton
39- Santa Fe South (charter)
40- Savanna (Savanna HS)
41- Shawnee (more than one site)
42- Silo
43- Stigler (Stigler Grade School)
44- Stuart
45- Tulsa (Bishop Kelley/private)
46- Tupelo (Tupelo HS)
47- Varnum
48- Wagoner
49- Wewoka (middle school)
50- Yukon

Just think, Oklahoma had more positive Covid cases in its public schools in two days than the entire nation of New Zealand has had in a month.

Pete
08-15-2020, 02:33 PM
OU just reported 9 positive cases on the football team after only being away from campus for a week.

Schools and universities are going to be spreading this thing like crazy. Younger people are particularly careless.

oklip955
08-15-2020, 02:55 PM
I am glad the college classes I am taking this semester are online. (well these would have been on line without covid 19). I'll just continue to stay home and try to stay safe.

PhiAlpha
08-15-2020, 03:02 PM
OU just reported 9 positive cases on the football team after only being away from campus for a week.

Schools and universities are going to be spreading this thing like crazy. Younger people are particularly careless.

To a point, maybe that’s a good thing. They’re in somewhat of a bubble and it can run its course through the student population between now and Christmas Break. If they’re wearing masks to class, it should minimize the spread to the faculty. Regardless, it’s probably going to spread among college students one way or another, might be better to get it over with. Definitely happened that way with swine flu when I was in school there...we all got it.

Pete
08-15-2020, 03:07 PM
To a point, maybe that’s a good thing. They’re in somewhat of a bubble and it can run its course through the student population between now and Christmas Break. If they’re wearing masks to class, it should minimize the spread to the faculty. Regardless, it’s probably going to spread among college students one way or another, might be better to get it over with. Definitely happened that way with swine flu when I was in school there...we all got it.

There will be at least 20,000 students in that small area, living in dense dorms and apartments and sitting in large classrooms, rotating to a bunch of others.

Way, way worse than living at home.

Bill Robertson
08-15-2020, 03:09 PM
To a point, maybe that’s a good thing. They’re in somewhat of a bubble and it can run its course through the student population between now and Christmas Break. If they’re wearing masks to class, it should minimize the spread to the faculty. Regardless, it’s probably going to spread among college students one way or another, might be better to get it over with. Definitely happened that way with swine flu when I was in school there...we all got it.
But what is running it’s course? I was a firm, maybe wishful thinking, in antibodies being a legitimate answer to the virus. Then I had them for about 5 months but now test negative. I’m converted now to questioning if having it and getting “over” it is a ticket to safety.

PhiAlpha
08-15-2020, 03:12 PM
But what is running it’s course? I was a firm, maybe wishful thinking, in antibodies being a legitimate answer to the virus. Then I had them for about 5 months but now test negative. I’m converted now to questioning if having it and getting “over” it is a ticket to safety.

Hell I don’t know. It just seems like an inevitability among young people at this point.

PoliSciGuy
08-15-2020, 03:12 PM
But what is running it’s course? I was a firm, maybe wishful thinking, in antibodies being a legitimate answer to the virus. Then I had them for about 5 months but now test negative. I’m converted now to questioning if having it and getting “over” it is a ticket to safety.

Keep in mind there's a massive difference between antibodies and T-cells. Antibodies, by their very nature, decline over time for every disease (otherwise we'd be walking around with lymph nodes the size of basketballs). It's the memory T-cells that take over over time, and a lot of studies show that the T-cell response to this thing is pretty robust even after a long period of time.

PhiAlpha
08-15-2020, 03:12 PM
There will be at least 20,000 students in that small area, living in dense dorms and apartments and sitting in large classrooms, rotating to a bunch of others.

Way, way worse than living at home.

oh absolutely no doubt about that.

Pete
08-15-2020, 03:15 PM
^

Students also come and go all the time.

Home for the weekend or fall or spring break, Christmas break, trips...

Then they all pile back into the dorms and bars and cafeterias and classrooms.

kukblue1
08-15-2020, 03:17 PM
It's not going anywhere it's here to stay. We are going to have to figure out how to deal with it or we're going to be stuck at our homes forever. That's how I feel right now that could change in a week though

Bunty
08-15-2020, 03:45 PM
On the down side, OSU reports 23 positive COVID-19 cases from sorority:
https://www.stwnewspress.com/covid-19/breaking-osu-reports-23-positive-covid-19-cases-from-sorority/article_f87a9364-df32-11ea-bc63-eb4dc57de8c7.html

Pete
08-15-2020, 03:50 PM
On the down side, OSU reports 23 positive COVID-19 cases from sorority:
https://www.stwnewspress.com/covid-19/breaking-osu-reports-23-positive-covid-19-cases-from-sorority/article_f87a9364-df32-11ea-bc63-eb4dc57de8c7.html

They've been back, what, less than a week??

Bill Robertson
08-15-2020, 03:50 PM
Keep in mind there's a massive difference between antibodies and T-cells. Antibodies, by their very nature, decline over time for every disease (otherwise we'd be walking around with lymph nodes the size of basketballs). It's the memory T-cells that take over over time, and a lot of studies show that the T-cell response to this thing is pretty robust even after a long period of time.
I know. I went to my Dr last week for something unrelated. Or I think unrelated, who really knows at this point, and she discussed what she knows about antibodies wearing off but t-cell memory staying around.

Bill Robertson
08-15-2020, 03:55 PM
Are the initial, and I would hope, periodic testing of college students being reported to the state for inclusion on the EORs? I’ve read on OU’s website that they are having students do an at home saliva test. Is that a rapid test or a lab confirmed test?

Bill Robertson
08-15-2020, 06:31 PM
From many national news sources:

New CDC guidance says COVID-19 rates in children ‘steadily increasing’

And we’re sending them to in person classes! Even the Tin Man would know this is a HORRIBLE idea.

jdizzle
08-15-2020, 06:33 PM
OU just reported 9 positive cases on the football team after only being away from campus for a week.

Schools and universities are going to be spreading this thing like crazy. Younger people are particularly careless.

I believe that EVERY one of those 9 cases are from players who left Norman. Those who stayed here didn't test positive. Who would have thought that college campuses might be safer than home, when protocols are in place. But yes, when you have more college kids there, more and more won't follow protocols.

Pete
08-15-2020, 06:48 PM
I believe that EVERY one of those 9 cases are from players who left Norman. Those who stayed here didn't test positive. Who would have thought that college campuses might be safer than home, when protocols are in place. But yes, when you have more college kids there, more and more won't follow protocols.

Ridiculous. Up until they left campus, they were the only ones there; effectively in a bubble.

And they had positive cases on the team while in camp, by the way.

PoliSciGuy
08-15-2020, 06:57 PM
From many national news sources:

New CDC guidance says COVID-19 rates in children ‘steadily increasing’

And we’re sending them to in person classes! Even the Tin Man would know this is a HORRIBLE idea.

The flu has killed more kids this year than Covid: https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Death-Counts-by-Sex-Age-and-S/9bhg-hcku?fbclid=IwAR1oLkmlItzl56woF88LQXiM5eFKsR4t2PzT w3uGrx3RS-akS6q3DSFMQsg

mugofbeer
08-15-2020, 07:28 PM
Are the initial, and I would hope, periodic testing of college students being reported to the state for inclusion on the EORs? I’ve read on OU’s website that they are having students do an at home saliva test. Is that a rapid test or a lab confirmed test?

Students must take and be shown COVID negative before they will be allowed into dorms. Their guidelines did not state which type.

jdizzle
08-15-2020, 07:52 PM
Ridiculous. Up until they left campus, they were the only ones there; effectively in a bubble.

And they had positive cases on the team while in camp, by the way.

Like, very few total (and all on the first round). Multiple rounds of testing without any positives.

d-usa
08-15-2020, 08:15 PM
The flu has killed more kids this year than Covid: https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Death-Counts-by-Sex-Age-and-S/9bhg-hcku?fbclid=IwAR1oLkmlItzl56woF88LQXiM5eFKsR4t2PzT w3uGrx3RS-akS6q3DSFMQsg

Which is something you would expect when you have kids in school during flu season, and effectively had no school at all since COVID started.

Every “kids don’t spread it” argument is based on a reality that had kids effectively locked down at home, to expect those findings to remain the same is unrealistic. The theories of kids not spreading the disease and not being affected are being proven to be wrong pretty rapidly.

PoliSciGuy
08-15-2020, 08:34 PM
Which is something you would expect when you have kids in school during flu season, and effectively had no school at all since COVID started.

Every “kids don’t spread it” argument is based on a reality that had kids effectively locked down at home, to expect those findings to remain the same is unrealistic. The theories of kids not spreading the disease and not being affected are being proven to be wrong pretty rapidly.

No one said that kids don't spread it, but rather that kids spread it at a much lower rate than adults, there's very little proof that they spread it to adults, and the least likely to succeed from virtual learning (3rd grade and younger) are much more likely to be asymptomatic and not display severe symptoms.

d-usa
08-15-2020, 08:39 PM
CDC is beginning to disagree as more data is becoming available.

d-usa
08-15-2020, 08:45 PM
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6931e1.htm?s_cid=mm6931e1_w

“ Asymptomatic infection was common and potentially contributed to undetected transmission, as has been previously reported (1–4). This investigation adds to the body of evidence demonstrating that children of all ages are susceptible to SARS-CoV-2 infection (1–3) and, contrary to early reports (5,6), might play an important role in transmission (7,8).”

PoliSciGuy
08-15-2020, 08:47 PM
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6931e1.htm?s_cid=mm6931e1_w

“ Asymptomatic infection was common and potentially contributed to undetected transmission, as has been previously reported (1–4). This investigation adds to the body of evidence demonstrating that children of all ages are susceptible to SARS-CoV-2 infection (1–3) and, contrary to early reports (5,6), might play an important role in transmission (7,8).”

Ah yes, the overnight camp where a bunch of teens (some of whom had covid), who were serving as leaders, met for a multi-day retreat before the camp began and then infected the younger kids. Doesn't really add much to the infectivity and contagiousness of those under 10 though.

This is a good threat by an epidemiologist who walks through what most likely happened at that camp: https://twitter.com/DiseaseEcology/status/1289298074804711425

Pete
08-16-2020, 07:35 AM
Like, very few total (and all on the first round). Multiple rounds of testing without any positives.

BECAUSE they were kept in a bubble and tested routinely.

That will not be the case with 20,000+ on campus now with all of them coming and going as they please.

pw405
08-16-2020, 10:57 AM
A bit overdue for an update on my data posts, but hey, I'm just a random guy on the internet. Also had some computer downtime this week as I had to swap my PC internals to a new case in an ongoing quest for the ultimate high performance machine.

Month Summary.
August still tracking to be the mostly deadly month this year and very easily #2 in case counts:

https://i.imgur.com/eJc3DDX.png

If we assume that the 3.5 week lag between between 7-day avg. cases and 7-day avg. deaths trends (https://www.okctalk.com/showthread.php?t=45625&page=217&p=1131256#post1131256) more closely correlating will come true, we should start to see a longer-term downward trend in deaths starting on August 24th.

Of course, that's all based on the assumption that the downward case trends will continue. Yesterday's count of 901 cases was a bit of a surprise for a Saturday being the highest day of the week, and ranking as the 4th highest Saturday ever. Hopefully just a blip.

Top 5 Saturday Case Counts:
#1 - Aug 1: 1,244 cases
#2 - July 25: 965 Cases
#3 - July 18: 916 Cases
#4 - Aug 15: 901 Cases
#5 - Saturday - Aug 8: 825 Cases

Rolling Averages -
The 7 day and 14 day cases are clearly coming down from the insane levels we saw at the start of August.
OKC Mask mandate was July 17th, Tulsa was July 15th. To think: if the mandates had gone in to effect on July 1st, where would we be today?

https://i.imgur.com/7mYFaYk.png

Case Averages
very promising signs here. Showing the ideal setup: 7 day below the 14 day, and 14 day below the 21 day, indicating a downward trend in new infections that will eventually bring the death counts/rates down:

https://i.imgur.com/xGZkINo.png

Totals
While we largely see the same trend structure we do in the other charts, I feel that this paints a more clear impact of the human level of this tragedy: 54 dead Okies since last Saturday. 108 dead & 10,244 Okies infected since Saturday before last.

OK's crude case fatality rate remains at 1.4%. This means of the 10,244 cases in the last 14 days, we should expect 143 to die. (A few of which may already be included in total death counts).

https://i.imgur.com/XyjKmLE.png

State of OK Weekly Epidemiology Testing

We've been range bound at 9%-10% for specimen testing since the July 3rd week. While it is good to see total cases coming down, this figure really needs to be below 5%, according to CDC. This remains an area of concern. The fact that total specimen counts have been falling isn't re-assuring. To be at or below the target 5% rate, we would need to test ~100,000/week.

https://i.imgur.com/gY68G6J.png

For those that aren't "numbers" people, the 657 Oklahomans we've lost can be expressed as the equivalent of 3.9 Federal Building Bombings.
I could only imagine the level of government response that we would see if this was the tragedy we faced:
https://i.imgur.com/KJkQmkL.jpg?1