You should probably still wear your mask, at least... Just to be safe...

Wear it where?? :)

Are there really that many public, non charter schools that mandate uniforms?


Oklahoma City Public Schools.

Wear it where?? :)

Everywhere, your house,your car the store walking down the street. Just be safe and wear it everywhere all the time. Lets kick this thing!

Everywhere, your house,your car the store walking down the street. Just be safe and wear it everywhere all the time. Lets kick this thing!

I think he was asking where on his body he should wear it while doing naked flips down the road :cool:

486 and 0 deaths. We’ve either plateaued or are start to trend down again.

Sundays are usually low points, can't really make any conclusions until we see Tuesday/Wednesday/Thursday numbers

Sundays are usually low points, can't really make any conclusions until we see Tuesday/Wednesday/Thursday numbers

I like to compare individual days. Today was 9 fewer than last Sunday and over 500 fewer than 14 days ago. I am cautiously optimistic that we are seeing a plateau.

Probably a better analogy is that schools don't allow students to smoke/vape—a personal choice—on campus. The notion that schools can't mandate masks is absurd. When I taught at Westmoore, teachers were asked to kick kids out of class who weren't visibly wearing their student ID, which is a lot harder to see than a face mask.

I am hearing from so many immunocompromised and older educators who are deeply worried about their health and fear dying and are being provided no options from their districts. Aside from whether they end up with COVID, the stress and anxiety is taking a mental and physical toll already for many and school hasn't started.

Personally, my wife and I live a very carefully because we are comfortable with that and we are now being forced into a situation where we have to accept she bring COVID home any day for an entire school year. We can't have a bubble of family or friends anymore. Whatever the best decisions are for society, more people need to recognize the sacrifice educators are being asked to make. Educators are the new essential, er sacrificial, workers.

Everywhere, your house,your car the store walking down the street. Just be safe and wear it everywhere all the time. Lets kick this thing!

Would you could you in your house? Would you could you with a mouse?

Would you could you with a fox? Would you could you in a box?

Trends:

Looking at cases only, the 7-day average clearly shows a short-term downward trend. The 14-day average will fall tomorrow, as the 1,400 cases we saw on 7-27 will no longer be included. 21-day remains on cruise control in a very narrow band:

https://i.imgur.com/aSEgvDn.png


The rolling 7 day average of deaths remains high, but has yet to break the records set on July 30th and August 5th:

https://i.imgur.com/CmpqCqY.png

Finally, comparing total hospital #'s to the 14-Day death average - we see hospitalizations flat, and of course deaths still rather high:

https://i.imgur.com/2Py7Rm1.png

If y’all are unfortunate enough to know somebody going to sturgis, stay the hell away from them for the next month or so. Good lord. News reports and pictures from that festival are dang depressing.

The US is full of a bunch of fools...

If y’all are unfortunate enough to know somebody going to sturgis, stay the hell away from them for the next month or so. Good lord. News reports and pictures from that festival are dang depressing.

The US is full of a bunch of fools...There could not possibly be a worse situation for COVID spread than Sturgis. I couldn’t believe they were still having the rally this summer. STUPID!!!!
And I love bike rallies. I went to many when I could ride and had my Harleys.

Figure I'd try a new graph - instead of averages, this one looks at 14 day totals for cases and deaths from April 1 - Now. Due to high number of cases, the values get a little difficult to read (you can always right-click, open in new tab to see full-res version).

I made this out of curiosity more than anything. It doesn't look dramatically different than the rolling averages plotted over time. I am still troubled by how long the lag is between no case GROWTH and deaths falling. If we just look from May 1 to June 1, deaths fell in half among a relatively flat case count. Total 14-day new cases during may were around ~1,200. Today, total 14-day cases are ~10X higher.

I don't expect that will see 10X the number of deaths, however, I still can't help but to think that we'll continue to see rising death counts for at least 3 more weeks, assuming that new case growth has flattened around ~850/day.

https://i.imgur.com/1GDCyOu.png

If y’all are unfortunate enough to know somebody going to sturgis, stay the hell away from them for the next month or so. Good lord. News reports and pictures from that festival are dang depressing.

The US is full of a bunch of fools...

My friend saw this and commented: "Coming soon to an estate sale near you: Motorcycles".

Really good analysis I found that compares Oklahoma cities with mask mandates vs. no mask mandates. The data is clear. Masks both reduce cases and save lives:

http://patricklivingood.oucreate.com/okcovid/mask-mandates/

New study on which masks are more effective and which are not: https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/08/08/us/duke-university-face-mask-test-trnd/index.html

Perhaps the answer to this is simple but I’ll ask anyway.

Why do covid cases rise to a peak then begin to fall in these various epicenters?

Do they rise till the population decides to use counter measures to combat the accumulating cases or does the virus burn itself out in these localities? It’s an interesting thought as covid generally lashes out at the at-risk populations. I wonder if it just runs it’s course and all you’re left with are the younger carriers who tend to be asymptomatic so the numbers just appear to come down.

Maybe it’s just a combination of these things. Who knows.

My friend saw this and commented: "Coming soon to an estate sale near you: Motorcycles".I don’t want anyone to die. But I’ve given up on using the death rate as an argument with the people that don’t think the virus is a big deal. When there’s a .0005 in one chance that you’ve died of the virus in almost six months then that isn’t a compelling argument to non- believers, non-carers. I’m not sure what argument to make to that group anymore to bring them over to the side of giving a damn about their fellow man.

Perhaps the answer to this is simple but I’ll ask anyway.

Why do covid cases rise to a peak then begin to fall in these various epicenters?

Do they rise till the population decides to use counter measures to combat the accumulating cases or does the virus burn itself out in these localities? It’s an interesting thought as covid generally lashes out at the at-risk populations. I wonder if it just runs it’s course and all you’re left with are the younger carriers who tend to be asymptomatic so the numbers just appear to come down.

Maybe it’s just a combination of these things. Who knows.

I think it's the former, not the latter. Also, it is unwise to continue to propagate the notion that young people cannot be seriously damaged (or killed) by this, and the fact that they are more willing to take risks and less likely to socially distance undermines the theory that cases, not fatalities, peak and then fall. Something else is causing the peak and fall.

If you look at our plateau / drop in new cases over the last week, it seems to coincide with the advent of widespread mask usage about three weeks ago. The ordinance is already paying off. Again, not necessarily paying off just because of less casual transmission, but also because the visual sight of people wearing masks reminds people that the virus is still a threat, making them more likely to take it seriously and step up their social distancing.

Of course, we never hit bottom because there are always too many idiots out there, like the ones at Sturgis.

I also think the return to schools is going to cause new outbreaks.

I don’t want anyone to die. But I’ve given up on using the death rate as an argument with the people that don’t think the virus is a big deal. When there’s a .0005 in one chance that you’ve died of the virus in almost six months then that isn’t a compelling argument to non- believers, non-carers. I’m not sure what argument to make to that group anymore to bring them over to the side of giving a damn about their fellow man.

Just let Darwin sort it out.

I think it's the former, not the latter. Also, it is unwise to continue to propagate the notion that young people cannot be seriously damaged (or killed) by this, and the fact that they are more willing to take risks and less likely to socially distance undermines the theory that cases, not fatalities, peak and then fall. Something else is causing the peak and fall.

If you look at our plateau / drop in new cases over the last week, it seems to coincide with the advent of widespread mask usage about three weeks ago. The ordinance is already paying off. Again, not necessarily paying off just because of less casual transmission, but also because the visual sight of people wearing masks reminds people that the virus is still a threat, making them more likely to take it seriously and step up their social distancing.

Of course, we never hit bottom because there are always too many idiots out there, like the ones at Sturgis.

I also think the return to schools is going to cause new outbreaks.

Your advice is certainly valid as there is so much they we don’t know and that we may never know. However, the numbers do not lie. The difference in how this virus affects old vs young is stark and dramatic. Not saying young people won’t have long term health issues from this, but the odds are much less than older folk. For reference, I’m using 35 in my mind to divide young vs old here.

Also, if you want to take the CDC’s estimates that this virus has affected nearly 10x’s more people than what is reported, then it’s entirely plausible that this virus could be burning itself out in the high density population centers.

Oh well. This is a debate that neither of us can win as there is too much we don’t know. I only hope that it’s burning itself out in places; however, my gut is telling me that that’s not true.

Also, I agree with you wholeheartedly about what could happen when schools start. It’s going to really screw the progress we made.

Your advice is certainly valid as there is so much they we don’t know and that we may never know. However, the numbers do not lie. The difference in how this virus affects old vs young is stark and dramatic. Not saying young people won’t have long term health issues from this, but the odds are much less than older folk. For reference, I’m using 35 in my mind to divide young vs old here.

Also, if you want to take the CDC’s estimates that this virus has affected nearly 10x’s more people than what is reported, then it’s entirely plausible that this virus could be burning itself out in the high density population centers.

Oh well. This is a debate that neither of us can win as there is too much we don’t know. I only hope that it’s burning itself out in places; however, my gut is telling me that that’s not true.

Also, I agree with you wholeheartedly about what could happen when schools start. It’s going to really screw the progress we made.

Not sure why you completely ignored the part about behavioral changes making an impact, i.e. the mask ordinance three weeks ago.

It’s incredible how many people argue to open schools because young people are less prone to the worst effects of the virus and don’t recognize that schools don’t run without lots of adults—hundreds at some schools. Schools aren’t kid-only zones.

Not sure why you completely ignored the part about behavioral changes making an impact, i.e. the mask ordinance three weeks ago.

I didn’t. In fact, I suggested it as one of the main two reasons for the nature of covid cases per day across the globe. If you go up a few comments, I asked about the interesting rise, then peak, then fall of covid cases pretty much everywhere.

What has been happening for the most part is that one area/city gets very serious about the virus and then the numbers drop way down.

But in areas where there hasn't been a big problem -- like Oklahoma -- there is very little change in behavior and then the virus runs rampant in a new, relatively neglected place.

California is just about the only state that had a big surge, shut down, then had it happen again. But even that requires perspective: They still have less cases per capita than the majority of states, they just have a huge population that drives big numbers.

And this is why you are starting to see spread in more rural areas; the virus doesn't know borders. And few governors have made strict regulations so that leaves it to mayors and a very piece-meal way of doing things, so the virus just spreads more rapidly where people don't take it as seriously. This is what greatly worries me about reopening schools.

Other countries, of course, have had huge national mandates. We can't even get that done by states.

There could not possibly be a worse situation for COVID spread than Sturgis. I couldn’t believe they were still having the rally this summer. STUPID!!!!
And I love bike rallies. I went to many when I could ride and had my Harleys.

i have a buddy who goes every year, and is going again this year. he said proudly," what are the odds of me actually catching it there."... my response. "well, what would have been the odds of you catching the other disease you have gotten there twice, and almost 5 years apart from each other." i of course had to also remind him that penicillin doesn't clear this one up....

i have a buddy who goes every year, and is going again this year. he said proudly," what are the odds of me actually catching it there."... my response. "well, what would have been the odds of you catching the other disease you have gotten there twice, and almost 5 years apart from each other." i of course had to also remind him that penicillin doesn't clear this one up....

Anyone looking to buy a Harley should wait a month or so. Bound to be at least a few good deals as a result of COVID-19 unfortunately. I feel for the local residents. . .

397 and 2 new deaths

Anyone looking to buy a Harley should wait a month or so. Bound to be at least a few good deals as a result of COVID-19 unfortunately. I feel for the local residents. . .

I need to hurry and sell my Ultra Classic before the market is flooded! Although, the unfortunate reality is that the folks who practice the unsafe behaviors rarely suffer the consequences themselves. It's usually their friends, family, coworkers, and neighbors who suffer due to their selfishness.

By all means, watch this video interview of the teenage girl who shot the photo of the overcrowded hallway in the suburban Atlanta-area school. If you don't know the story, she was suspended for sharing the image to social media. The image went viral immediately. A day or two later, her suspension was reversed without explanation.

She is a great example of how poised Gen Z is in front of a camera, and how skilled they are at presenting clear, concise messaging, and just completely not putting up with obvious bull----. This is pretty much a must-see interview, because it exposes the idiocy and lack of planning by many communities to address basic safety issues with Covid, and the misguided attempt to create "normalcy" when that is really just out of reach right now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HI-Ny11ZcE

Your advice is certainly valid as there is so much they we donÂ’t know and that we may never know. However, the numbers do not lie. The difference in how this virus affects old vs young is stark and dramatic. Not saying young people wonÂ’t have long term health issues from this, but the odds are much less than older folk. For reference, IÂ’m using 35 in my mind to divide young vs old here.

Also, if you want to take the CDCÂ’s estimates that this virus has affected nearly 10xÂ’s more people than what is reported, then itÂ’s entirely plausible that this virus could be burning itself out in the high density population centers.

Oh well. This is a debate that neither of us can win as there is too much we donÂ’t know. I only hope that itÂ’s burning itself out in places; however, my gut is telling me that thatÂ’s not true.

Also, I agree with you wholeheartedly about what could happen when schools start. ItÂ’s going to really screw the progress we made.

Look at the data across every state/county in the US. The curve started rolling over in many of these areas when about 1 to 2 percent of the population are documented to have Covid. If you take the CDC's assumption that there are 10 people for every 1 person infected that would be 10 to 20 percent. Impossible for herd suppression? Yes, but only if were assuming everyone had zero immunity at the beginning. There is a lot we don't know about T-Cells and cross immunity from other viruses. I would give 100 percent credit to mitigation efforts if I didn't see this correlation and Sweden is a huge outlier that cannot be ignored. The only thing they have done is recommend mask and social distancing. They have 0 to 1 deaths a day now and their case count has crashed.

By all means, watch this video interview of the teenage girl who shot the photo of the overcrowded hallway in the suburban Atlanta-area school. If you don't know the story, she was suspended for sharing the image to social media. The image went viral immediately. A day or two later, her suspension was reversed without explanation.

She is a great example of how poised Gen Z is in front of a camera, and how skilled they are at presenting clear, concise messaging, and just completely not putting up with obvious bull----. This is pretty much a must-see interview, because it exposes the idiocy and lack of planning by many communities to address basic safety issues with Covid, and the misguided attempt to create "normalcy" when that is really just out of reach right now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HI-Ny11ZcE

CNBC reported the school reversed their suspension when there was overwhelming outcry from students and parents.

CNBC reported the school reversed their suspension when there was overwhelming outcry from students and parents.

I'm somewhat sympathetic to the school for the suspension. I'm sure there's some technology policy that doesn't allow students to take photos of other students and post them on social media without their permission (I know in Edmond it's explicitly against their policy to photograph or film students or staff without permission). It's been a few years but we had to sign a handbook policy with our kids about this. If I had to guess the rule probably doesn't allow a lot of wiggle room for the administrator. However, this is one of those times that intent and context matter, so I'm glad they reversed the suspension.

By all means, watch this video interview of the teenage girl who shot the photo of the overcrowded hallway in the suburban Atlanta-area school. If you don't know the story, she was suspended for sharing the image to social media. The image went viral immediately. A day or two later, her suspension was reversed without explanation.

She is a great example of how poised Gen Z is in front of a camera, and how skilled they are at presenting clear, concise messaging, and just completely not putting up with obvious bull----. This is pretty much a must-see interview, because it exposes the idiocy and lack of planning by many communities to address basic safety issues with Covid, and the misguided attempt to create "normalcy" when that is really just out of reach right now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HI-Ny11ZcE

I am sure the suspension had to do with child privacy acts and laws. But we will just forget that because it doesn't fit a narrative.

Schools will end up being a bad thing for the virus. It will spread like wildfire. You are right about that. But child privacy laws are heavy. I am glad her suspension was reversed.

I'm somewhat sympathetic to the school for the suspension. I'm sure there's some technology policy that doesn't allow students to take photos of other students and post them on social media without their permission (I know in Edmond it's explicitly against their policy to photograph or film students or staff without permission). It's been a few years but we had to sign a handbook policy with our kids about this. If I had to guess the rule probably doesn't allow a lot of wiggle room for the administrator. However, this is one of those times that intent and context matter, so I'm glad they reversed the suspension.

The reason I saw give for the suspension was that they had announced over the intercom that any criticism of the school would result in a suspension.

I'm somewhat sympathetic to the school for the suspension. I'm sure there's some technology policy that doesn't allow students to take photos of other students and post them on social media without their permission (I know in Edmond it's explicitly against their policy to photograph or film students or staff without permission). It's been a few years but we had to sign a handbook policy with our kids about this. If I had to guess the rule probably doesn't allow a lot of wiggle room for the administrator. However, this is one of those times that intent and context matter, so I'm glad they reversed the suspension.

That’s exactly what it was.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/suspension-rescinded-for-student-who-shared-photo-of-crowded-school-hallway/

The reason I saw give for the suspension was that they had announced over the intercom that any criticism of the school would result in a suspension.

Nah

Nah

It's literally right there in the article:

On Wednesday, North Paulding's principal, Gabe Carmona, made an announcement to students, stating: "Anything that's going on social media that is negative or alike without permission, photography, that's video that's anything, there will be consequences."

It's literally right there in the article:

On Wednesday, North Paulding's principal, Gabe Carmona, made an announcement to students, stating: "Anything that's going on social media that is negative or alike without permission, photography, that's video that's anything, there will be consequences."

And so were mentions of the school's social media policy and minors. Like I said, I am glad the suspension was overturned. But the social media policy should be very well known, as child privacy laws are not something to play with. Now, the principal saying that is stupid. The student meant no harm to students with the picture, so the right decision was made, in the end.

Isn't that guy one of the hydroxychloroquine club with the demon seed lady and that video that keeps (rightfully) getting pulled from youtube?

Isn't that guy one of the hydroxychloroquine club with the demon seed lady and that video that keeps (rightfully) getting pulled from youtube?

Yes. Save this crap for QAnon.

I know many other people that have had COVID are way worse off so I apologize if I’m whining but when I read about people having heart attacks and such weeks after being “recovered” nights like this concern me a bit. I’m sitting here soaking a tee shirt. I can feel the heat radiating from me. I also feel like someone is pushing on my chest trying to keep me from breathing. My temperature is 97.7 so no real fever at all. My oxygen level is a bit low at 90. This feeling happens about three days a week and the worrying that something is really wrong sucks. And I had a mild case that I believe was 5 months ago. Everyone needs to wear a mask and help get this virus over with!

I know many other people that have had COVID are way worse off so I apologize if I’m whining but when I read about people having heart attacks and such weeks after being “recovered” nights like this concern me a bit. I’m sitting here soaking a tee shirt. I can feel the heat radiating from me. I also feel like someone is pushing on my chest trying to keep me from breathing. My temperature is 97.7 so no real fever at all. My oxygen level is a bit low at 90. This feeling happens about three days a week and the worrying that something is really wrong sucks. And I had a mild case that I believe was 5 months ago. Everyone needs to wear a mask and help get this virus over with!

I’m sorry to hear that Bill. Has your dr put you on any medicine/blood thinners? Have you had a covid test recently?

It's literally right there in the article:

On Wednesday, North Paulding's principal, Gabe Carmona, made an announcement to students, stating: "Anything that's going on social media that is negative or alike without permission, photography, that's video that's anything, there will be consequences."

Isn't this just a bit anti- first amendment? I'd hate to think people would have to go straight to the media anytime there's something potentially wrong in schools. Perhaps the school administration should be reminded of consequences when there are questionable happenings they try to hide.

I know many other people that have had COVID are way worse off so I apologize if I’m whining but when I read about people having heart attacks and such weeks after being “recovered” nights like this concern me a bit. I’m sitting here soaking a tee shirt. I can feel the heat radiating from me. I also feel like someone is pushing on my chest trying to keep me from breathing. My temperature is 97.7 so no real fever at all. My oxygen level is a bit low at 90. This feeling happens about three days a week and the worrying that something is really wrong sucks. And I had a mild case that I believe was 5 months ago. Everyone needs to wear a mask and help get this virus over with!

Bill, get checked out and a test!

Isn't this just a bit anti- first amendment? I'd hate to think people would have to go straight to the media anytime there's something potentially wrong in schools. Perhaps the school administration should be reminded of consequences when there are questionable happenings they try to hide.

Schools have the right, as in loco parentis, to restrict the civil liberties of students if it's in the interest of student health and/or welfare. In Tinker vs. Des Moines the court ruled that


School "must be able to show that [their] action was caused by something more than a mere desire to avoid the discomfort and unpleasantness that always accompany an unpopular viewpoint," allowing schools to forbid conduct that would "materially and substantially interfere with the requirements of appropriate discipline in the operation of the school."

So yes, it does violate their First Amendment rights of students, but schools can do so in a limited range. See also Morse v. Frederick, also known as the "Bong Hits 4 Jesus" case

Schools have the right, as in loco parentis, to restrict the civil liberties of students if it's in the interest of student health and/or welfare. In Tinker vs. Des Moines the court ruled that



So yes, it does violate their First Amendment rights of students, but schools can do so in a limited range. See also Morse v. Frederick, also known as the "Bong Hits 4 Jesus" case

I used to start my civil liberties unit with all the student liberty cases. They were all about understanding their rights.

There’s often so much confusion among the public in the differences between the spirit of the 1st amendment (free exchanges of ideas) and the law of 1st amendment (which is complex, nuanced, and related to government suppression of speech).

Schools have the right, as in loco parentis, to restrict the civil liberties of students if it's in the interest of student health and/or welfare. In Tinker vs. Des Moines the court ruled that



So yes, it does violate their First Amendment rights of students, but schools can do so in a limited range. See also Morse v. Frederick, also known as the "Bong Hits 4 Jesus" case

Thanks! Surely you don't think this should fall under that and have been supressed, do you?

Nah

Did you read the article?

Interesting.

Hmm, another group of researchers locking onto cross immunity theory. Of course all the focus is on past vaccinations and little about building up immunity naturally through past illnesses.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/11/health/us-coronavirus-tuesday/index.html

Putin claiming Russia has a vaccine, stocks back to all time highs:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-europe-53735718

Putin claiming Russia has a vaccine, stocks back to all time highs:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-europe-53735718

I'd like to qualify my previous answer regarding my willingness to take a Covid vaccine.

^

Yeah, right.

Because Russia is so trustworthy and would never try and influence American elections with disinformation.

Won't take the Russian vaccine, but will take the Chinese.

Because Russia is so trustworthy and would never try and influence American elections with disinformation.

I can't wait for the deluge of youtube videos trying to educate us about the miracle Russian vaccine that's being kept from us because Bill Gates and 5G or something. /s

I’m sorry to hear that Bill. Has your dr put you on any medicine/blood thinners? Have you had a covid test recently?


Bill, get checked out and a test!I’ve been on high blood pressure meds for a few years.
And no I haven’t been tested. I have talked to my Dr about it and even went in this morning for something else and we talked about it more. We believe it’s the post COVID issues that some seem to have since it has been consistent since I had the virus in March. This could go on for some time or could just be my new normal. Only time will tell. BTW, I feel really good this morning.

765 new cases today.

13 additional reported deaths.

765 new cases today.

13 additional reported deaths.

Both of which, unfortunately, make sense. The cases are starting to lessen, due to mask mandates in major cities. The deaths are high due to larger case #s a few weeks ago. It stinks that 13 more died, but cases seems to be leveling off a bit, which is a good thing.

Hopefully the masks have helped but with schools restarting, we could easily start trending up again.


And, by the way, if the masks are helping then it really is an indictment on all the political leaders who not only didn't set these mandates earlier, they have actively worked against them both while this was really ramping up and currently.