Alaska is combining OKC/ICT markets with a tag flight thru May 10. Will operate SEA-ICT-OKC/OKC-ICT-SEA

Im surprised they aren’t cutting out a leg and going SEA-ICT-OKC-SEA. Maybe Wichita has some kind of contract With Alaska requiring a non stop flight.

SkyWest has really increased the number of aircraft in storage here in OKC. We have nearly 40 aircraft scattered around the field (SkyWest and Alaska) waiting to fly again...someday. Still praying we don’t see big hail at the airport this spring.

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The airlines have no money so they are being stingy on refunds. But the original terms of your ticket still apply with regards to refunds. Just be persistent - I believe miles on award tickets automatically go back into your bank. Just take some screenshots.
It worked. Waited until 24 hours before and cancelled since there was a change of greater than 6 hours. Points restored. Now to win back on my April flight. That was my fault for cancelling too soon. I think I just have to prove the original flight was cancelled to get the refund back on a credit card (they gave me flight credit automatically)?

AA extends suspensions into the June sked.

DCA, ORD, PHL, LAX, LGA suspended

Not surprising. UA is still working on its June sked. Likely will be the same as May. It's easier to list what is flying right now vs what isn't . Maybe I'll do that sometime. Would be good to document it anyway.

Is the airport receiving money for the planes stored around the airfield? How does all of that work?

AA extends suspensions into the June sked.

DCA, ORD, PHL, LAX, LGA suspended

Not surprising. UA is still working on its June sked. Likely will be the same as May. It's easier to list what is flying right now vs what isn't . Maybe I'll do that sometime. Would be good to document it anyway.Not that I'm booking a flight for June (right now the earliest I have something booked is October, and I'm thinking any trips before that will be driving trips), is the MIA flight still going? I knew DFW and CLT was...

Is the airport receiving money for the planes stored around the airfield? How does all of that work?

Each airport is different, but in Denver not only has the City of Denver waived United's rent for a few months, but they have also given them an entire runway to park planes on.

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Not that I'm booking a flight for June (right now the earliest I have something booked is October, and I'm thinking any trips before that will be driving trips), is the MIA flight still going? I knew DFW and CLT was...

I think it may be gone also. Hard to keep up

Catch22, I don't know you but you have been a boon to this thread. Just saw where UA is setting up for cuts once they are outside the date of the government payroll package, October 1, to plan reduction in force.
I hope you come out the other end ok. Sorry to see it.

Yes. I was supposed to fly to LGA on UAon May 1 and that ticket has become a 2 stop 14 hour behemoth. I'm trying not to jam up UA until closer to 72 hours so I can hopefully get all my miles back. Anyone else tried to get back airline miles on flight reservations during the pandemic?

Yes. Southwest refunded everything with the click of a button. I'm 1K on UA, and they would redeposit miles without penalty. Not sure about other status levels.

Catch22, I don't know you but you have been a boon to this thread. Just saw where UA is setting up for cuts once they are outside the date of the government payroll package, October 1, to plan reduction in force.
I hope you come out the other end ok. Sorry to see it.

Thanks, we'll see.

Not that I'm booking a flight for June (right now the earliest I have something booked is October, and I'm thinking any trips before that will be driving trips), is the MIA flight still going? I knew DFW and CLT was...

Flying for the first time since February the first week of June. I have rescheduled an international trip to November but still planning on flying domestically multiple times this summer. Not looking forward to potentially wearing a mask for a 14 hour flight to CPT later this year though..

We are flying domestically June 6. Just dropped friend off at WRWA. No TSA precheck and the security line was looped back four rows so plan accordingly for that. No regular service on plane so basically no alcohol either...not even in first class. Will be interesting to see the long term effect and what normal flying will look like after this.

United and Delta have a bunch of planes being stored there . Didn't recognize the United from distance with the new livery paint scheme. Delta looked to be all RJs so assuming it is Skywest storing them

We are flying domestically June 6. Just dropped friend off at WRWA. No TSA precheck and the security line was looped back four rows so plan accordingly for that. No regular service on plane so basically no alcohol either...not even in first class. Will be interesting to see the long term effect and what normal flying will look like after this.

United and Delta have a bunch of planes being stored there . Didn't recognize the United from distance with the new livery paint scheme. Delta looked to be all RJs so assuming it is Skywest storing them

yeah I think those United 175's are also SkyWest - we don't really have a say (or care) where they store them as long as it isn't a hub. Takes some burden off the hubs to have them do their own storage. At the hubs, we (mainline) are responsible for moving their aircraft around. Right now, a lot of mainline planes are in "active" storage, so they come in, get parked for a week, and then go back to the gate for a flight and another aircraft takes its place in the parking line. This is to spread around flight hours so the few aircraft that are flying don't accumulate wear and tear faster than the rest of the fleet. This causes a huge workload for our "move team" as they constantly have to fetch airplanes out of the line and swap them out. The regionals are doing this too, and if they park in a hub we are responsible for moving their aircraft around and rotating them in and out of service. Having SkyWest (and the other regionals) pick up their slack at outstations where they have mechanics is helpful.

We are flying domestically June 6. Just dropped friend off at WRWA. No TSA precheck and the security line was looped back four rows so plan accordingly for that. No regular service on plane so basically no alcohol either...not even in first class. Will be interesting to see the long term effect and what normal flying will look like after this.

United and Delta have a bunch of planes being stored there . Didn't recognize the United from distance with the new livery paint scheme. Delta looked to be all RJs so assuming it is Skywest storing them

At a minimum the FAA should allow bringing your own alcohol (minis), I understand there are a lot of legal problems with this. But perhaps having a flight attendant observe you pouring your own drink would suffice. But, would probably just create more issues because people would abuse that privilege and get absolutely hammered when the flight attendant isn't looking - but honestly, there are plenty of people that do that anyway as mini bottles are small enough to go through TSA provided they are secured in a zip-lock bag.

At a minimum the FAA should allow bringing your own alcohol (minis), I understand there are a lot of legal problems with this. But perhaps having a flight attendant observe you pouring your own drink would suffice. But, would probably just create more issues because people would abuse that privilege and get absolutely hammered when the flight attendant isn't looking - but honestly, there are plenty of people that do that anyway as mini bottles are small enough to go through TSA provided they are secured in a zip-lock bag.

Or...get a soda at airport restaurants and add your mini before getting on the flight :Smiley122 I can go a few hours without a drink though. I normally book first class as I am a big guy but booked this trip coach as I have lost 80 pounds and would now be ok in coach seat. Thought...finally a chance to use all those drink coupons I have but guess not.

Catch22, I don't know you but you have been a boon to this thread. Just saw where UA is setting up for cuts once they are outside the date of the government payroll package, October 1, to plan reduction in force.
I hope you come out the other end ok. Sorry to see it.

^ As always...what he said. Thanks Catch and good luck!

Wait, we are not supposed to bring our own minis on flights...?

Wait, we are not supposed to bring our own minis on flights...?

only a flight attendant can serve an alcoholic beverage on board. the airline is responsible if you are intoxicated and are unable to exit the aircraft in an emergency.

It’s almost 2300 hours, Friday May 8, and I’m looking at FlightAware and seeing 3 planes from OKC and they are almost to Slat Lake City.

The odd things is they they are in line, following just behind one another.

They show to be Skywest 4611, 4612 and 4613. Surely they’re not all 3 flying passengers tonight? I’m wondering if they are being flown to be boneyard parked? Doesn’t Skywest have a maintenance facility in OKC?

It just seems odd for the 3 flying together?

It’s eerie how empty the skies are, but I know that’s just the way it is now.

Either storage at SLC, or return to service. They are following in line because the repositioning flight crews likely all arrived on the same flight. No point to space them out, 6 pilots show up for 3 planes. Fuel them and dispatch them.

Either storage at SLC, or return to service. They are following in line because the repositioning flight crews likely all arrived on the same flight. No point to space them out, 6 pilots show up for 3 planes. Fuel them and dispatch them.

I noticed last night on way home that the line of planes had shrunk quite a bit. There was 8 in line the other day and only three last night

hopefully a good sign. there does seem to be very pent up demand, just like Trump said. ..

We have a wedding around the Chicago area in June. I am thinking we may have problems getting to and from Chicago via air, is this still a concern or are the airlines still waiting to see how May goes to setup June? We are making plans to drive just so we don't get stuck anywhere should flights be cancelled... err "removed".

We have a wedding around the Chicago area in June. I am thinking we may have problems getting to and from Chicago via air, is this still a concern or are the airlines still waiting to see how May goes to setup June? We are making plans to drive just so we don't get stuck anywhere should flights be cancelled... err "removed".

We had flights for June 6 and found out yesterday they were cancelled and there were no flights that we could take to make the connection. We found some options on other airlines.

Looks like Delta is doing 1 flight a day to ATL,MSP and SLC in June.

We have a wedding around the Chicago area in June. I am thinking we may have problems getting to and from Chicago via air, is this still a concern or are the airlines still waiting to see how May goes to setup June? We are making plans to drive just so we don't get stuck anywhere should flights be cancelled... err "removed".

Most of the airlines loaded June schedules over the weekend. So what you see now is likely to be consistent with what they intend to operate.

Looks like Delta is doing 1 flight a day to ATL,MSP and SLC in June.

and so late in the day...it is difficult to catch connections

In theory this could be an opportunity for OKC. There’s going to be plenty of spare capacity in the system, if OKC showed strong demand we’d probably get aircraft upgrades to maineline quicker, and new routes added faster. It sucks the energy market got killed in this too.

My wife flew out this morning. Said Alaska had some planes parked. Not sure how this is compared to the last few weeks. 16063

My wife flew out this morning. Said Alaska had some planes parked. Not sure how this is compared to the last few weeks. 16063

Just as they said, COVID-19's turned the whole world upside down...

https://flyokc.com/sites/default/files/News/April2020Enplanement.pdf

About 2 days worth of demand for the entire month of April.

Heard from a friend at AA who just got out of a mgmt meeting that there will very likely be some major cuts coming across the board among management and support staff by the end of this. The number they used was 40%...so hopefully things improve much more quickly than expected over the next few months, otherwise it's going to be rough for AA (captain obvious statement of the day).

I thought I posted this but I can't find my post, maybe it was in a different thread.

For those like me with OCD, if you want to track daily nationwide security screenings (a rough measure of enplanements) here is a link that is updated daily.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aftYi5WOzuJReuD33UHyMenDgbv_WwQjT2gsqzPS28M/edit#gid=0

This is not total traffic as connecting passengers are typically only screened once regardless of how many flights they take in the day, and it does not differentiate between crewmembers and employees using the security checkpoints, although those two groups should be relatively consistent and small.

Looks like screenings have rebounded to 9.0% of what was screened on the same date last year. It's an early sign of improvement but really need some more data, which will happen in due time.

yesterday was the busiest day for flying since March 25.

By the time I have my trip to Portland in August, the security lines will be back to their ignorantly stupid length for an airport OKC's size...goody!

As the airline industry changes, is it possible that small commercial airports near bigger airports, like Stillwater or Lawton ,close ?

As the airline industry changes, is it possible that small commercial airports near bigger airports, like Stillwater or Lawton ,close ?

Stillwater probably, Lawton probably not. Military traffic is pretty big there, can't see AA walking away from it.

Adding to that thought, the big 3 have all signaled that if it can't be sustained with 76 seats it has a slim chance of surviving this one. They are all planning on keeping some level of 50 seaters around but nothing to the degree that they have on property right now.

As the airline industry changes, is it possible that small commercial airports near bigger airports, like Stillwater or Lawton ,close ?

If they lose commercial flights they likely will go on as general aviation airports. Stillwater Airport continued operations for almost 40 years between losing commercial service early 80s and regaining it again a few years ago.

Stillwater has good business from OSU's flight school there. Many muni airports survive right now as general aviation airports.

I took his question as the commercial terminal staying open or closed - correct shouldn't be any airport closures, just ends of commercial service at some smaller airports. Hopefully SWO can survive this, though.

My apologies for not being clear. I meant stations closed (i.e. AA). Yes, GA will slill live on.

I took his question as the commercial terminal staying open or closed - correct shouldn't be any airport closures, just ends of commercial service at some smaller airports. Hopefully SWO can survive this, though.
As powerful and respected as Burns Hargis is, I suspect a deal will get made to keep service. It was exceeding all expectations pre crash.

Looks like Delta will be adding flights this summer in an effort to keep planes only 60% full. So, more flights but less full.

Maybe catch knows but I wonder if the an airline like WN considers, refitting all planes to 2 seats per row and raising prices to offset loss of capacity.

I can't imagine any airline removing seats. The cost to take out a seat may be far higher than to just leave the seat empty and charge a higher place as is. My wife flew United last week and while United has said that they will make sure there's an empty seat next to you, that's only if it's possible. She had a fairly empty flight from OKC-DEN but DEN-SLC was full (EMB-175)

I can't imagine any airline removing seats. The cost to take out a seat may be far higher than to just leave the seat empty and charge a higher place as is. My wife flew United last week and while United has said that they will make sure there's an empty seat next to you, that's only if it's possible. She had a fairly empty flight from OKC-DEN but DEN-SLC was full (EMB-175)

had some codeshares this last year i Europe. I think it was Lufthansa. the first class seats were still three across with the middle seat blocked off. Very odd

Easier to block seats off than pay to test and recertify the aircraft to a lower seating capacity. The airlines are only going to be performing social distancing as long as people are thinking about it, the moment they can get away with going back to normal they will. It's PR fluff at this point to return confidence back to the general public in regards to flying.

Easier to block seats off than pay to test and recertify the aircraft to a lower seating capacity. The airlines are only going to be performing social distancing as long as people are thinking about it, the moment they can get away with going back to normal they will. It's PR fluff at this point to return confidence back to the general public in regards to flying.

Right and I’d put that at 99% chance.

But the 1% is this could be a structural shift in how we fly. 9/11 was. It would be more expensive but a return to yesterday in luxury.

Right and I’d put that at 99% chance.

But the 1% is this could be a structural shift in how we fly. 9/11 was. It would be more expensive but a return to yesterday in luxury.

Could happen. United is pulling seats out of all 76 seaters and converting to 70 now to prepare for pilot furloughs in October. The pilot's union contract requires that the company cannot operate an aircraft with more than 70 seats if any pilot on the seniority list hired before 12/8/2012 is furloughed. I could see some kind of PR spin to say it's about creating more space or comfort onboard


1-C-1-h Effect of Furlough
If a Pilot on the Seniority List with an employment date prior to the date of signing of this
Agreement is placed on furlough, the Company shall convert all 76-Seat Aircraft for
operation as 70-Seat Aircraft. The number of such aircraft shall continue to be limited as
though they were being operated as 76-Seat Aircraft. The Company may again commence
operating such Aircraft as 76-Seat Aircraft effective on the date that the most junior Pilot
protected by the first sentence of this Section 1-C-1-h is recalled from furlough.

Catch, back in the 90s, AA campaigned on "more leg space in coach". Sounds like what is old may be new again .

How many planes are parked at the airport, and which airlines?

Right imagine one of the airlines, probably SW, saying well this is a permanent shift. We’re raising prices but the entire aircraft now has domestic first class seats. It would require a cultural shift among Americans who must always have the cheapest flight possible, but maybe.

Didn't we have direct non stop flights to/from LAX? If so, are those now gone?

Thanks

Didn't we have direct non stop flights to/from LAX? If so, are those now gone?

Thanks

AA's flights to LAX are currently suspended. As well as most destinations. I think AA is only flying to DFW PHX and CLT. I havent looked at the schedules in a while as my personal life has been surprisingly busy and I'm trying to not focus too much on aviation at the moment as it is incredibly depressing for me

ua and aa had okc-lax

united dropped okc-lax a few years ago. 2018?

Southwest going after Delta.

3x daily OKC-ATL begins December.

Southwest going after Delta.

3x daily OKC-ATL begins December.Wow, even in these times. I'm not the biggest fan of either airline (I don't like not having a seat assignment, and I seem to have a consistently bad experience on Delta), but despite Delta being the airline du jour in the US right now they seem to have phoned it in with their OKC operation for a long time.

Looking at Southwest Airlines schedule update, does it appear that they are going back to pre-COVID operations out of OKC by November?

Also, United Airlines going 4 flights to ORD starting this fall.

Is this one of those " we can scale back if necessary" sort of things?