I live out by WRWA, and I'll say this much, I haven't seen near the planes lately.

Would be interesting to see how OKC's flight losses compare to other similar-sized airports. Is OKC getting the shaft more than, say, Omaha? Just curious.

Everyone is getting the axe.

UA's systemwide loadfactor yesterday was 14.8%.

Everyone is getting the axe.

UA's systemwide loadfactor yesterday was 14.8%.

We only flew 10,000 passengers yesterday, across the entire system. That would be 60 full 737-900's. In normal times we operate 4,000 flights a day.

I work next to long term parking and I just counted about 60 cars total in the parking lot.

Lots of Eskimo faces as Alaska Airlines is now storing several of their planes on the AAR ramp. They are planning to store around 30 of their 230 aircraft. OKC, SAT and GSO (sister AAR locations) will house the stored mix of 737s and A319/20s.

TUL currently has about 50 of AA's ships including many 737 MAX 8 (since spring 2019), 757s, 777-200s and 777-300ERs. The entire 787-8/9 fleet is being stored there as well. The 757s are scheduled to be retired early and reportedly have already flown their last revenue flights (very sad).

Hopefully, neither OKC or TUL will see large hail anytime in the next several weeks. Yikes.

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UA suspends OKC-SFO until 6/4

UA suspends OKC-SFO until 6/4

Since I'm not a plane guy, but I am a film guy, every time I see UA, I think United Artists and wonder for about 2 seconds, then my left brain kicks in.

Drove down by the airport just to get out and saw about ten Alaskan Airlines planes parked near the hangars.

Effective pretty much immediately. A lot of changes, so forgive me for any errors.

Until 6/3, AA reduces OKC-DFW to 5x daily, down from 8 (9 last year). Downgauge to all regional jets for May.
Until 6/4 AA suspends OKC-LAX. Previously resumed May 6.
Until 6/4 AA reduces OKC-ORD to 5x weekly, will not operate Tu, Sa. Down from 2x daily (5x daily last year)
Until 6/4 AA reduces OKC-MIA to 6x weekly, will not operate on Tuesdays. Down from 1x daily (Up from 0 daily last year)
Until 6/4 AA reduces OKC-PHX to 5x weekly, will not operate on Tu, Sa. Down from 1x daily (Down from 2x daily last year)
Until 6/4 AA suspends OKC-PHL. Previously resumed May 6.
Until 6/4 AA suspends OKC-DCA.

In summary for AA, a peak weekday flight schedule in May would now be:

OKC-DFW 5x
OKC-CLT 2x
OKC-ORD 1x
OKC-MIA 1x
OKC-PHX 1x

A Tuesday schedule would just be the 5 trips to DFW and 2x to CLT.

Frontier suspends OKC-DEN for April and May. This was their only service in OKC.

Alaska downgauges OKC-SEA to an E175 for select days in April.

Effective thru June 4

UA reduces OKC-IAH to 5x daily, previously trimmed to 6x. Down from 8x.
UA reduces OKC-IAD to 1x daily, down from 2x
UA reduces OKC-ORD to 2x daily, down from 3x
UA reduces OKC-DEN to 2x daily, down from 5x
UA suspends OKC-SFO (previously reported)

Southwest effective for April

WN reduces OKC-DEN to 1x daily, down from 3x
WN reduces OKC-LAS to 1x daily, down from 2x

Southwest effective for May

WN suspends OKC-LAS 5/3-6/5
WN reduces OKC-PHX to 1x daily, down from 3x

Man, I really hope OKC is not getting the shaft from these airlines, Seems a lot of flights are getting cut or suspended for a long time.

I get it is happening all over the country, sure. Just curious what other airports are losing, by comparison.

Man, I really hope OKC is not getting the shaft from these airlines, Seems a lot of flights are getting cut or suspended for a long time.

I get it is happening all over the country, sure. Just curious what other airports are losing, by comparison.

Have a look for yourself

https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1444097

To help you read this report:

AA DFW-OKC MAY 9>5[9]

9>5[9] means "previously scheduled as 9 daily, going to 5 daily (9>5). 9 daily was the previous number of daily flights for the same booking period last year [9].

Man, I really hope OKC is not getting the shaft from these airlines, Seems a lot of flights are getting cut or suspended for a long time.

I get it is happening all over the country, sure. Just curious what other airports are losing, by comparison.

If it makes you feel any better, AA will only be operating 31 daily flight at LAX. UA is cutting EWR to 15 daily flights. LGA is getting cut to 2x daily flights.

UA is only operating 160 flights today in Denver, down from 525 flights. So, everyone is getting reduced big time. Not just OKC.

If it makes you feel any better, AA will only be operating 31 daily flight at LAX. UA is cutting EWR to 15 daily flights. LGA is getting cut to 2x daily flights.

UA is only operating 160 flights today in Denver, down from 525 flights. So, everyone is getting reduced big time. Not just OKC.

Haha, it doesn't make me feel better, since I know this is crushing the economy all over the nation. But dang, UA with only 15 in Newark?!

There's really no reason to expect OKC to get hurt more than anyone else, because there isn't a single part of the country that isn't at least somewhat of a COVID hotspot at this point. It's just a terrible situation all the way around.

The only way I could see OKC eventually getting hurt more than anyone else, is if OKC has to remain locked down longer than other cities for whatever reason. And as far as I can tell, there's no way of knowing that right now.

Southwest effective for April

WN reduces OKC-DEN to 1x daily, down from 3x
WN reduces OKC-LAS to 1x daily, down from 2x

Southwest effective for May

WN suspends OKC-LAS 5/3-6/5
WN reduces OKC-PHX to 1x daily, down from 3x

I noticed WN 1x/daily TUL-DEN. Some days no nonstops. Returns to 2x/daily June 6.

Catch, heard anything about this?

https://www.fliegerfaust.com/amp/airline-news---2645648431?utm_campaign=RebelMouse&share_id=5443995&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_content=FliegerFaust&__twitter_impression=true

Catch, heard anything about this?

https://www.fliegerfaust.com/amp/airline-news---2645648431?utm_campaign=RebelMouse&share_id=5443995&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_content=FliegerFaust&__twitter_impression=true

I have seen reliable sources dispute that claim.

I have seen reliable sources dispute that claim.

Yeah my government affairs contacts at AA would've heard about this if it were anywhere near imminent. They've still heard no credible news of a domestic flight shutdown coming.

Catch, heard anything about this?

https://www.fliegerfaust.com/amp/airline-news---2645648431?utm_campaign=RebelMouse&share_id=5443995&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_content=FliegerFaust&__twitter_impression=true

I saw that earlier today. I don't think it holds a ton of water, I doubt that webpage has exclusive sources that the major news networks don't have. They would pick up on it, too.

If it hasn't happened yet, I don't think we'll see it happen.

My thoughts as well. I couldn't find it corroborated anywhere else.

I saw that earlier today. I don't think it holds a ton of water, I doubt that webpage has exclusive sources that the major news networks don't have. They would pick up on it, too.

If it hasn't happened yet, I don't think we'll see it happen.

airline just got approval to cut flights even more all the way until september ..

There are 40 cars total give or take one or two in the long term parking lot off Amelia Earhart Ln.

There are 40 cars total give or take one or two in the long term parking lot off Amelia Earhart Ln.

Less than 35 cars now. Never seen it this bad. Don't see any buses they might of well just close it and lower the rates of the garage and just let everyone park there for $5 a day.

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I know airlines and airports are hurting, but, the momentum that OKC was having and just to have it come to a halt is upsetting. I wonder how long it will take for the airport to get back to "Pre 2020 levels". Which routes will not return??

I would not be surprised if LGA does't launch. Airlines are going to be smaller out of this for a while.

I know airlines and airports are hurting, but, the momentum that OKC was having and just to have it come to a halt is upsetting. I wonder how long it will take for the airport to get back to "Pre 2020 levels". Which routes will not return??

I would not be surprised if LGA does't launch. Airlines are going to be smaller out of this for a while.

I am fearful of it, as well. But I am also staying cognizant of the fact there are more important things than whether I can fly to the epicenter of this garbage nonstop.

Hi, I work for Parking at the airport, the correct number of total long term cars as of 4/10/2020 is more than what has been posted on this page, right now we are between 200-300 long term customer currently parked (we have averaged around that number now for about a week so at least it is not declining further) , yes that is a lot more than what others have recently posted but this is still a huge decline # comparison from this time last year due to the Covid 19. Lot #1 and Lot#3 are currently closed. Premium, lot#2 and garage are currently open. for updates with will rogers Covid 19 and Airport updates please visit flyokc.com and click the Covid 19 information and airport update link

[QUOTE=Jesseda;1114035]Hi, I work for Parking at the airport, the correct number of total long term cars as of 4/10/2020 is more than what has been posted on this page, right now we are between 200-300 long term customer currently parked (we have averaged around that number now for about a week so at least it is not declining further) , yes that is a lot more than what others have recently posted but this is still a huge decline # comparison from this time last year due to the Covid 19. Lot #1 and Lot#3 are currently closed. Premium, lot#2 and garage are currently open. for updates with will rogers Covid 19 and Airport updates please visit flyokc.com and click the Covid 19 information and airport update link[/QUOS

So parking lot 1 is closed? I was going to say there are only like 35 cars over there now.

yes lot #1 has been closed for two weeks now, all of the cars you see coming and most going from Lot#1 are airline employee commuters. Lot#3 has been closed 3 weeks now.

Open if you dare

https://flyokc.com/sites/default/files/News/March2020Enplanement.pdf

Open if you dare

https://flyokc.com/sites/default/files/News/March2020Enplanement.pdfI think April will be much worse. The first week or two of March was sorta unwinding from normal-ish. April is anything but that.

I think April will be much worse. The first week or two of March was sorta unwinding from normal-ish. April is anything but that.

Yes, April will be way worse. And right now the airlines are planning for May demand to be about 3%. United is expecting systemwide traffic for the entire month of May to be the total of what one normal day in May is. That's no bueno.

Yes, April will be way worse. And right now the airlines are planning for May demand to be about 3%. United is expecting systemwide traffic for the entire month of May to be the total of what one normal day in May is. That's no bueno.

May will be the bottom, June won't be nearly as bad. Everyday more and more American's are done with the lock-downs and will violate them.

May will be the bottom, June won't be nearly as bad. Everyday more and more American's are done with the lock-downs and will violate them.

I agree. But the projections for the airlines are much worse than they initially expected. They are talking only a 30-40% demand recovery by October 1 (D day for airline employees as the grant money provides protections only thru Sept 30.) Hopefully, those projections improve, also plenty of time between now and then.

I just received a notice over the weekend that my trip on United and Air New Zealand was cancelled at the end of June. Catch, I'll do my best to help out your airline when they allow me to :) Cheers!

I’ve heard that passenger count is way down. I’m sure it is. I manage two facilities. One on Meridian across from the mega car rental and the other on 59th and Air Cargo. With the construction going on it was a pain to get between the two many times a day. For the past month it’s been no problem at all. And I pass by the “remote” parking lot. It’s pretty much empty.

Yikes. Looks like United is gonna cut October 1st

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/04/16/business/united-schedule-staff-cuts/index.html

Yikes. Looks like United is gonna cut October 1st

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/04/16/business/united-schedule-staff-cuts/index.html

Yup.

Yikes. Looks like United is gonna cut October 1st

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/04/16/business/united-schedule-staff-cuts/index.html

Keep in mind, this is partly posturing, partly hard truth. There are several union contracts entering negotiations this summer. Also, this again shifts the conversation back to the gov. for more aid in return for job protections.

United was the first one to open the conversation with DC lawmakers and was very quick to spell out how dire of a situation this is. Expect AA, DL, and WN to follow with similar letters in short order. Agree or disagree with it if you want but things are indeed dire and they aren't wrong to continue to ask for help, you can always ask - you might not get an answer you want. But the answer is always no if you don't ask. There's quite a lot of politics going on too, and I won't go into it as this is the wrong thread. But AA, DL, WN, and UA cutting 20% of their workforce 33 days before an election does not look good for the incumbent. That is well over 100,000 workers hitting the unemployment line on Oct 2. That's not good. I would expect some further aid, even if it is small, to come over the summer to push that date back to Jan 1, 2021 as it will at least kick the can further down the road away from election time and after Christmas.

https://www.facebook.com/123185754376465/posts/3569876669707339/?d=n

Keep in mind, this is partly posturing, partly hard truth. There are several union contracts entering negotiations this summer. Also, this again shifts the conversation back to the gov. for more aid in return for job protections.

United was the first one to open the conversation with DC lawmakers and was very quick to spell out how dire of a situation this is. Expect AA, DL, and WN to follow with similar letters in short order. Agree or disagree with it if you want but things are indeed dire and they aren't wrong to continue to ask for help, you can always ask - you might not get an answer you want. But the answer is always no if you don't ask. There's quite a lot of politics going on too, and I won't go into it as this is the wrong thread. But AA, DL, WN, and UA cutting 20% of their workforce 33 days before an election does not look good for the incumbent. That is well over 100,000 workers hitting the unemployment line on Oct 2. That's not good. I would expect some further aid, even if it is small, to come over the summer to push that date back to Jan 1, 2021 as it will at least kick the can further down the road away from election time and after Christmas.

Yeah there might be another round of bailout or they’ve made an enemy in the president, regardless of how you feel politically, he is the president with the bully pulpit, United management could cave.

Yeah. I think there's a chance this will all be avoided anyway. Once demand shows an increase, it's not going to stop, short of another outbreak or something else god forbid. If demand is increasing around August (when they will have to start the furlough process to be in place by Oct) they will be in a tough spot. Furloughs cost money and don't provide the ramp up flexibility they need. They also crater morale which is not good for future employee relations. It's a tough call and I don't envy their position in the slightest.

IMO, there will be no return to "normal" in the airline & hotel industry.

Both reap the majority of their profits from business travel, buying high-margin last-minute tickets, not those going on a weekend junket to Vegas or going to see grandma once a year.

My company has a $65m/year travel budget. Not only are we not spending it, but we have come to the conclusion that not getting on a plane has not impacted our ability to meet clients or conduct business, it's only changed the method. And clients are increasing fine with that. "Communication" has not been affected at all.

We've also decided to quit flying candidates in for face-to-face interviews, probably permanently. Zoom is just fine.

While there will be some resumption of event and conference travel, those will be on a much smaller scale and tickets & hotel rooms for those events are usually discounted anyway. Price wars will abound.

As a sometime road warrior - Million Miler on Delta and 8-year United 1k - frankly, many of us could care less if we never get on another plane again, given what a pain in the ass flying has become. Most of my road warrior pees feel the same way

As for OKC, a lot of the guys sitting next to me on the upgrade are from the O&G industry. Many of them have now taken their last flight on company-paid travel. Sure there will still be some rebound demand, but returning to 2019 levels will take years, it ever.

I'm not predicting gloom & doom, but I do predict a fundamental change in the entire travel industry, given the fact that we are finding we don't really need to go unless we really need to go, and the bean counters will likely be able to point to the data showing how cutting the travel budget hasn't impacted revenue and has increased margin, while not impacting client satisfaction.

I think you are right for the near term, but teleconferencing was supposed to impact business travel years ago, and it never did, in fact, business travel has grown at a rapid pace. I think businesses and consumers alike have short memories. It is possible business travel will rebound fine long term - there is a social aspect of face to face that cannot be replicated on a video call. On the other side of this recession, businesses will resume spending money like it is going out of style. They always have.

I think you are right for the near term, but teleconferencing was supposed to impact business travel years ago, and it never did, in fact, business travel has grown at a rapid pace. I think businesses and consumers alike have short memories. It is possible business travel will rebound fine long term - there is a social aspect of face to face that cannot be replicated on a video call. On the other side of this recession, businesses will resume spending money like it is going out of style. They always have.

This. We do a lot of data requesting and gathering for our work and we never get the depth we need by submitting an email request and having a phone call; when we visit in person, we get so much more information. Some industries will always be better off with in-person client visits.

People have been predicting a new normal forever, yet nothing is new under the sun. I think this may, for a year or so, affect people. But once a vaccine is green-lit, people will go back to business as usual, for the most part. Business travel will return, as will vacation travel.

People have been predicting a new normal forever, yet nothing is new under the sun. I think this may, for a year or so, affect people. But once a vaccine is green-lit, people will go back to business as usual, for the most part. Business travel will return, as will vacation travel.
And all of the alarmist and doomsayers will crawl back into the shadows until the next catastrophe hits. Rinse and repeat.

I think you are right for the near term, but teleconferencing was supposed to impact business travel years ago, and it never did, in fact, business travel has grown at a rapid pace. I think businesses and consumers alike have short memories. It is possible business travel will rebound fine long term - there is a social aspect of face to face that cannot be replicated on a video call. On the other side of this recession, businesses will resume spending money like it is going out of style. They always have.

Not to mention, inflation adjusted, travel has never been cheaper. It’s fantastic and I miss it.

Sunday's blues.

UA OKC-IAD suspended until June
UA OKC-IAH reduced to 2x daily May
DL OKC-ATL reduced to 1x daily May

Alaska is combining OKC/ICT markets with a tag flight thru May 10. Will operate SEA-ICT-OKC/OKC-ICT-SEA

Forgot,

UA OKC-ORD suspended until June
UA OKC-DEN reduced to 1x daily.

I think UA will only be operating 3 flights a day out of OKC in May. 1 to Denver and 2 to Houston. how sad.

Current May schedule shows:

OKC at 37 daily departures (all airlines), down from 75 year prior.


Some peer cities:


OKC: 37, 75
TUL: 27, 58
ICT: 34, 15
RNO: 28, 71
OMA: 38, 88
DSM: 25, 57
TUS: 24, 57

Forgot,

UA OKC-ORD suspended until June
UA OKC-DEN reduced to 1x daily.

I think UA will only be operating 3 flights a day out of OKC in May. 1 to Denver and 2 to Houston. how sad.

Yes. I was supposed to fly to LGA on UAon May 1 and that ticket has become a 2 stop 14 hour behemoth. I'm trying not to jam up UA until closer to 72 hours so I can hopefully get all my miles back. Anyone else tried to get back airline miles on flight reservations during the pandemic?

Yes. I was supposed to fly to LGA on UAon May 1 and that ticket has become a 2 stop 14 hour behemoth. I'm trying not to jam up UA until closer to 72 hours so I can hopefully get all my miles back. Anyone else tried to get back airline miles on flight reservations during the pandemic?

Miles should go back in your bank. The United app has a lot functionality that the website does not. Have you tried canceling your ticket on the app?

Miles should go back in your bank. The United app has a lot functionality that the website does not. Have you tried canceling your ticket on the app?

I haven't. I have the app but was worried that if I bought with miles, I would get screwed on the cancellation. I got screwed on a previous app cancellation for April 16 flight where they gave me United credit instead of my $ refund. I went to the full site to request a refund after that happened. So I am a bit gun-shy on the app. The app is great when flying though!

The airlines have no money so they are being stingy on refunds. But the original terms of your ticket still apply with regards to refunds. Just be persistent - I believe miles on award tickets automatically go back into your bank. Just take some screenshots.

Hoping to reschedule an international trip for later this year and probably going to book this week since United will be offering no change fees until April 30

Hoping to reschedule an international trip for later this year and probably going to book this week since United will be offering no change fees until April 30

Probably waiting until the last minute, but that will most likely be pushed back another month.