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really cool having these 3 project going up at the same time

really cool having these 3 project going up at the same time
It’s nice to have it all done at once.

really cool having these 3 project going up at the same time

And there's another mid rise office building going in about a block and a half away. Density in the area really going up.

This is a great infill project for this area.

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Not that the drone shots undersell it, but I continue to be impressed with the scale of all of the work in this immediate area when I drive through here 1-2 times per week. It will soon be one of the few areas in OKC you could fairly easily and comfortably walk to the gym, restaurants, shopping, and grocery stores. Picturing a commuter rail station here (albeit 10 years down the road) really makes me think it'll be one of the most desirable hubs to live at.

Hopefully with the slow implosion of Chesapeake we also end up with a more varied mix of office building tenants in the area and not just a bunch of empty buildings.

Wasn't the state DEQ in the process of moving up here to take advantage of some buildings with lab space, or am I remembering some other department?

Not that the drone shots undersell it, but I continue to be impressed with the scale of all of the work in this immediate area when I drive through here 1-2 times per week. It will soon be one of the few areas in OKC you could fairly easily and comfortably walk to the gym, restaurants, shopping, and grocery stores. Picturing a commuter rail station here (albeit 10 years down the road) really makes me think it'll be one of the most desirable hubs to live at.

Those apartments are going to be very popular.

Such a great area.

Hopefully with the slow implosion of Chesapeake we also end up with a more varied mix of office building tenants in the area and not just a bunch of empty buildings.

Wasn't the state DEQ in the process of moving up here to take advantage of some buildings with lab space, or am I remembering some other department?

I'd love to see Chesapeake give way to a variety of tech and biotech companies occupying their office space.

I'd love to see Chesapeake give way to a variety of tech and biotech companies occupying their office space.
This would be a big win.

Parking garage starting to go up:

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This project is now called The Canton at Classen Curve.

A couple of new renderings; first units should be ready by January 2022.

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The Canton? What next The Binger? Who comes up with sht? The Edge? Just about pick any city in Spain and it would sound more high end then the names these developers come up with.

The Canton? What next The Binger? Who comes up with sht? The Edge? Just about pick any city in Spain and it would sound more high end then the names these developers come up with.

It’s actually more high-end than you might think.

Canton means “Township” in French.

The Canton? What next The Binger? Who comes up with sht? The Edge? Just about pick any city in Spain and it would sound more high end then the names these developers come up with.

Perhaps you should’ve recommended, “The Bowser”.

lol I like it! I'm guess here but people will think of Canton Lake when hearing that name. IMO.

lol I like it! I'm guess here but people will think of Canton Lake when hearing that name. IMO.

+1. . .my first thought was "wonder what the connection to Canton/Canton Lake is?"

The Heights at Morning Woods is still available as a name.

My first thought was "Why is it named after a Chinese city/province?"

Either way, super sharp-looking building in a great part of town. They could call it the Dumpster and it would probably be leased full with a waiting list.

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wow the are moving fast on those

This development is massive. Such a change from when I used to drive my daughter to Ballet Oklahoma in the mid to late 90's. I find myself getting turned around in this area lately. It is so disorienting considering I went to high school down the street in the mid 80's and thought I knew the area fairly well.

looks great but I will never understand why we dont build our buildings ABOVE the parking (esp downtown) as opposed to building separate large parking garages and sort of wrapping development around.

We could get more, taller development if we built above the garages.

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Because it's monumentally more expensive.

And land costs here are still relatively cheap compared to other cities where this practice is more common.

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Because it's monumentally more expensive.

And land costs here are still relatively cheap compared to other cities where this practice is more common.

That and there's so much land to buy up. OKC has too much square mileage to even consider a project like that outside of the city's core. Consider what the circumstances are for the city that require you to build like that, they are usually on an island, they usually sit on beachfront, surrounded by mountains and sharp terrain, there are plenty of buildings around to add density to an otherwise small space, and block restrictions require you to go up instead of sprawl out.

It would be nice to give the city some height, but this isn't the area that requires it. You'd be better off planning some high rises in the core, or even the NW Expressway Corridor. That place has some underrated density, could look to be a subcore to the downtown area.

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Because it's monumentally more expensive.

And land costs here are still relatively cheap compared to other cities where this practice is more common.
Would also guess that in this case the parking garage will also be serving The Ellison and other ancillary businesses there (haven't looked closely enough at site plan to know, but that's what I see when I look at that aerial.

Not that this couldn't be done if the parking was under the apartments but it would be a bit more tricky. And, like you said, WAY more expensive.

That and there's so much land to buy up. OKC has too much square mileage to even consider a project like that outside of the city's core. Consider what the circumstances are for the city that require you to build like that, they are usually on an island, they usually sit on beachfront, surrounded by mountains and sharp terrain, there are plenty of buildings around to add density to an otherwise small space, and block restrictions require you to go up instead of sprawl out.

It would be nice to give the city some height, but this isn't the area that requires it. You'd be better off planning some high rises in the core, or even the NW Expressway Corridor. That place has some underrated density, could look to be a subcore to the downtown area.


I agree with the first statement no doubt, that's why I said 'especially downtown'. ...

Just curious. could something be built on top of these garages in the future or would we have to tear down and start over? Pete you were in commercial RE, any thoughts?

While I agree that now isn't the time for above garage construction throughout the city (again, I mainly meant downtown) I think the Classen-63rd-Penn-Western area WILL eventually hit that density point where it could become a Dallas Uptown type of setting that maybe we could start to master plan for that.

There is a student housing facility at OCU that is parking below and it wasn’t overly costly. Really depends on the site and usually not going more than one level deep.

Also, Grandmark in NH is parking below done effectively.

Even though land is plentiful in PKC, it may be limited at a preferred site and therefore feasible to go a level deep. This is one of those “depends” answers.

There is a student housing facility at OCU that is parking below and it wasn’t overly costly. Really depends on the site and usually not going more than one level deep.

Not sure how much it matters as I'm not a builder or engineer, but the old Fieldhouse that was there was below ground. When they demolished it for the dorms, it was already dug out.

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There is a student housing facility at OCU that is parking below and it wasn’t overly costly. Really depends on the site and usually not going more than one level deep.

Also, Grandmark in NH is parking below done effectively.

Even though land is plentiful in PKC, it may be limited at a preferred site and therefore feasible to go a level deep. This is one of those “depends” answers.

Thank you Rover, that was my point. Particularly downtown and parts of the inner core districts - shouldn't just keep building these monstrosities when you can get MORE parking by putting the building on top. ..

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we need more of these throughout the city - particularly if the parking with retail storefronts could be under the residences

we need more of these throughout the city - particularly if the parking with retail storefronts could be under the residences

It would be nice to start seeing some density in the Asian District. No reason why we couldn't have mid-rise housing and hotel development there, with additional retail on the ground floor facing Classen.

Surprised we haven't seen that already.

The Asian District is seriously lacking pedestrian activation right now and it could be a pretty simple fix from a planning perspective.

there was that one apartment thing that was going in next to golden phoenix but I don't think that's still happening?

there was that one apartment thing that was going in next to golden phoenix but I don't think that's still happening?

Yes.

New Saigon.

couldn't agree more soonerguru. The inner core areas just outside of downtown are dying for these types of development with Asian District as the most dire. ..

Hopefully we can see more traction on New Saigon soon that with it's success will spur a boom in the area. No reason it should still ONLY be strip retail with parking lots.

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I hope that with all this new infill development and density we can work to make this area more appealing for people to walk around. There are sop many services, grocery stores, and shops all within a very short jaunt, even just across the street, but unfortunately people wouldn't ever walk there. This could really be a nice, premiere neighborhood in the future.

I hope that with all this new infill development and density we can work to make this area more appealing for people to walk around. There are sop many services, grocery stores, and shops all within a very short jaunt, even just across the street, but unfortunately people wouldn't ever walk there. This could really be a nice, premiere neighborhood in the future.

There are sidewalks in the area and around these new structures. Just not in the neighborhoods surrounding them. There are sidewalks along Classen Curve up to 63rd, and along Grand from 63rd to Western and Western south (sort of). Sidewalks all through the Chesapeake campus area. But, most of the neighborhoods don't have sidewalks. We really need sidewalks from Penn to Western on 63rd. Almost impossible to ride or bike that stretch.

There are sidewalks in the area and around these new structures. Just not in the neighborhoods surrounding them. There are sidewalks along Classen Curve up to 63rd, and along Grand from 63rd to Western and Western south (sort of). Sidewalks all through the Chesapeake campus area. But, most of the neighborhoods don't have sidewalks. We really need sidewalks from Penn to Western on 63rd. Almost impossible to ride or bike that stretch.

There has been ongoing sidewalk construction for months on both sides of 63rd from NW Expressway to May. Maybe that will continue Eastward?

There has been ongoing sidewalk construction for months on both sides of 63rd from NW Expressway to May. Maybe that will continue Eastward?
Unfortunately, I don’t think there are plans to.

Does Nichols Hills want their residential neighborhoods to have sidewalks? I know of plenty of older people who insist they invite crime. I would also imagine they'd be hesitant to increase public transit in the area for the same reason

Does Nichols Hills want their residential neighborhoods to have sidewalks? I know of plenty of older people who insist they invite crime. I would also imagine they'd be hesitant to increase public transit in the area for the same reason

The trails through the park that runs from 63rd up to almost Penn is very, very busy on most days. NH has made it very inviting to walk, run and bike. They have also added sidewalks from the end of the park along Grand all the way west to the end of NH.

I've never heard any NH resident opine that sidewalks invite crime. People have a weird misconception of people living in NH and try to stereotype them.

By the way, The Canton, the Curve and this immediate area is not NH anyway.

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That is a nice brick color.

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Sorry if this is the wrong thread - but did Cafe 501 close in Classen Curve?

Sorry if this is the wrong thread - but did Cafe 501 close in Classen Curve?

Yes, about a month ago.

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These apartments are currently having a massive fire.

Eff. That is terrible news.

Looks bad. https://www.news9.com/story/620313b82e5101072b00a2a6/crews-responding-to-commercial-fire-on-nw-63rd

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Some large flames