Exactly. The whole idea of collective bargaining is that it benefits all.
It really just more evenly distributes leverage to help neutralize the huge advantage that management has. Think of management as the union for ownership. Since they are united, workers should have the same right. Negotiating shouldn’t happen one worker to one shareholder at a time. Both side should have a fair opportunity to represent the interests of their entire group of constituents.

It really just more evenly distributes leverage to help neutralize the huge advantage that management has. Think of management as the union for ownership. Since they are united, workers should have the same right. Negotiating shouldn’t happen one worker to one shareholder at a time. Both side should have a fair opportunity to represent the interests of their entire group of constituents.

You're preaching to the choir. I was raised in a union household and had been a member in the past. I know having been involved in a ULP the worth of membership.

no as employees and not students they wouldn't be part of the athletic programs .. and title IX would not apply .. it would be an entirely new system

without federal law that is where this is headed .. and sooner rather then later ...

i mean the federal government disagrees with you and says that it applies to employees as well. as it currently applies to professors and staff. sooo... think you just don't understand everything Title IX actually covers.

i mean the federal government disagrees with you and says that it applies to employees as well. as it currently applies to professors and staff. sooo... think you just don't understand everything Title IX actually covers.

no it doesn't disagree with me in any way ..


if you think that womens rowers are going to be in the same union and make the same as football players ... then i have lots of ocean front property in arizona to sell you ..

no it doesn't disagree with me in any way ..


if you think that womens rowers are going to be in the same union and make the same as football players ... then i have lots of ocean front property in arizona to sell you ..

"Because Title IX does not contain limiting language as does Title VI, the courts have concluded that Title IX reaches employment discrimination in the educational programs or activities of recipients without limitation."

https://www.justice.gov/crt/title-ix#B.%C2%A0%20Employment%20Discrimination

So from the doj website. Yes, you are wrong, title IX discrimination applies to employees as well, and thus the school would not be able to collectively bargain with a union that was only made up of football players. I mean we can keep going back and forth, but I'm going to take the doj website over your opinions on the matter.

no it doesn't disagree with me in any way ..


if you think that womens rowers are going to be in the same union and make the same as football players ... then i have lots of ocean front property in arizona to sell you ..

And remember. I haven't said that a union will be formed, infact I don't think that athletes want to be employees, and so I don't think unions are even an option. I'm just saying yet again that your scenario that they will make a union and that it was "undeniable" was actually pretty easy to deny, since the schools and NCAA couldnt legally bargain with said hypothetical union.

no it doesn't disagree with me in any way ..


if you think that womens rowers are going to be in the same union and make the same as football players ... then i have lots of ocean front property in arizona to sell you ..
All union workers working for the same employer don’t make the same pay. There are usually pay scales dependent on skills required, experience, etc.

All union workers working for the same employer don’t make the same pay. There are usually pay scales dependent on skills required, experience, etc.

Exactly. UPS pays its union drivers very handsomely but the rest of the union staff is paid crumbs to offset the exorbitant driver pay.

UPS drivers work their rear ends off and often end up with chronic physical ailments. They negotiate traffic and work in rain, snow and 100 degree heat without a/c in many cases still. They are required to work until their truck is empty and have difficult delivery quotas. Yeah, their pay is "exorbitant."

"Because Title IX does not contain limiting language as does Title VI, the courts have concluded that Title IX reaches employment discrimination in the educational programs or activities of recipients without limitation."

https://www.justice.gov/crt/title-ix#B.%C2%A0%20Employment%20Discrimination

So from the doj website. Yes, you are wrong, title IX discrimination applies to employees as well, and thus the school would not be able to collectively bargain with a union that was only made up of football players. I mean we can keep going back and forth, but I'm going to take the doj website over your opinions on the matter.

they would not be part of any educational program ..

And remember. I haven't said that a union will be formed, infact I don't think that athletes want to be employees, and so I don't think unions are even an option. I'm just saying yet again that your scenario that they will make a union and that it was "undeniable" was actually pretty easy to deny, since the schools and NCAA couldnt legally bargain with said hypothetical union.

some football players have already tried to unionize .. the business of college sports is going to continue to change ... and it is really easy to see where it is headed without federal legislation ..

they would not be part of any educational program ..

/facepalm... you just keep proving that you know absolutely nothing about how universities are organized and governed. "or activities" is the key part of that phrase that you missed. you just needed to read two more words.

some football players have already tried to unionize .. the business of college sports is going to continue to change ... and it is really easy to see where it is headed without federal legislation ..

and it failed. because the NRLB ruled that it didn't have jurisdiction over educational institutions. that is why it failed at northwestern back in 2014-15, and what people seemed to miss in the 2022 NRLB statement in california. that they felt that student athletes are mistreated, but that they don't have the jurisdiction for further ruling. so now, it really doesn't look like that is where it is headed anytime soon.

/facepalm... you just keep proving that you know absolutely nothing about how universities are organized and governed. "or activities" is the key part of that phrase that you missed. you just needed to read two more words.

and you clearly don't understand where college football is going ..

and you clearly don't understand where college football is going ..

i mean... i guess you are right. i only know that the attempts to create a union so far have all failed because the NRLB says they don't have jurisdiction and it's a title ix issue for jurisdiction. so, guess myself, the NRLB, the NCAA, universities, and the DOJ are all in the dark, and you are the only one who actually knows what is happening. which of course you have proven with all of your comments of proof to back it up.

The fact that there will still be people arguing with a straight face that college athletes don't deserve to make any money (whether via NIL or official employee status) after what went down in college athletics this week is absolutely hilarious. Same for people who think that college athletes shouldn't get one free undergrad transfer + one free graduate transfer.

The fact that there will still be people arguing with a straight face that college athletes don't deserve to make any money (whether via NIL or official employee status) after what went down in college athletics this week is absolutely hilarious. Same for people who think that college athletes shouldn't get one free undergrad transfer + one free graduate transfer.I agree completely. As far as transferring 1 free pre grad and 1 free post grad I'm down with. The current system where a player can have 5 years of eligibility and be at 5 different schools is a bit over the top.

I agree completely. As far as transferring 1 free pre grad and 1 free post grad I'm down with. The current system where a player can have 5 years of eligibility and be at 5 different schools is a bit over the top.

Yes, I'm in agreement with you on that. One pre-grad and one post-grad feels like a good middle ground to me.

Exactly. UPS pays its union drivers very handsomely but the rest of the union staff is paid crumbs to offset the exorbitant driver pay.
That is a totally incorrect interpretation of what I said and not bound in any reality. Sadly, people only want to believe in the promoted caricatures of unions without having any actual experience or knowledge of how they work or why they are necessary.

That is a totally incorrect interpretation of what I said and not bound in any reality. Sadly, people only want to believe in the promoted caricatures of unions without having any actual experience or knowledge of how they work or why they are necessary.

Wrong.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ups-teamsters-contract-unions-agreement-part-time-pay-debate/

https://www.tdu.org/how_two_tier_contracts_hurt_workers_and_weaken_uni ons