That's marketing though. Really it is maps for roads. Just like the we sometimes call the extension that right-sized the area "maps for hoops" or something to that effect.

That's marketing though. Really it is maps for roads. Just like the we sometimes call the extension that right-sized the area "maps for hoops" or something to that effect.

yes they even list that arena extension on the maps history page at OKC.gov even though it was not officialy called maps

What has NW and NE OKC received from MAPS that has been kept from SW OKC? What would you like to see from MAPS that would benefit SW OKC in the future?

NW has seen the new Senior Fitness center. Tons and tons of walking and bike trails. SW not nearly as much.

Roads are bad in every district. Hoping they collected enough to make better because that time gap between M3/M4 is all the extra road tax we’re gonna get for 8 years. Unless we add a new tax, but our local tax rate is on the high end with this approval.

NW has seen the new Senior Fitness center. Tons and tons of walking and bike trails. SW not nearly as much.

Roads are bad in every district. Hoping they collected enough to make better because that time gap between M3/M4 is all the extra road tax we’re gonna get for 8 years. Unless we add a new tax, but our local tax rate is on the high end with this approval.

There is a senior fitness center at 4021 south walker.

NW has seen the new Senior Fitness center. Tons and tons of walking and bike trails. SW not nearly as much.

Roads are bad in every district. Hoping they collected enough to make better because that time gap between M3/M4 is all the extra road tax we’re gonna get for 8 years. Unless we add a new tax, but our local tax rate is on the high end with this approval.

There is a senior wellness center on south walker and one to be built all the way down on SW 134th and Western by 2022. There will be 4 total senior wellness centers from MAPS 3. 2 on the North Side and 2 on the southside.

Maps 3 did pay for the Will Rogers trail that connected lake Hefner to the river on the Northwest side, but it also paid for the Draper trail on the Southeast side.

Mayor posted the ward support percentage stats on twitter:


Ward 1: 69
Ward 2: 80
Ward 3: 59
Ward 4: 58
Ward 5: 64
Ward 6: 81
Ward 7: 79
Ward 8: 77

yes they even list that arena extension on the maps history page at OKC.gov even though it was not officialy called maps

right so my point is if that's the case then maps for streets should be there as well, just IMO obvs

Perception is reality with voters. You can list all of the facts you want but it is the perception that the city ignores the south side. This was true for many years, but as of lately not so much.

I grew up on the south side and it always felt like anything "nice" was on the north side. Dining, shopping, recreation, etc. S OKC has never had a fancy restaurant area, Penn Square, or a Lake Hefner. A lot of that has nothing to do with MAPS or the city's spending in general - but for your average person they see those things as an inequality.

How you fix that perception I do not know.

What has NW and NE OKC received from MAPS that has been kept from SW OKC? What would you like to see from MAPS that would benefit SW OKC in the future?

Nothing. I want tax dollars used for needed infrastructure like repacking/repairing roads and sidewalks.

Roads, maintenance, and other infrastructure are (mostly) paid for the by GO Bonds which are serviced by property taxes, right?. So, you could say MAPS helps fund the road projects if the projects increase property values. It seems hard to say that a vote against capital improvements, which typically increase property values, is an effective protest vote to indirectly support more road maintenance.

Of course, increased property values can really only be attributed to MAPS projects if those projects in turn increase the demand for (or, I guess, scarcity of) property. Then, if those values do go up, you have to actually collect on those increases. However, it seems a lot of the districts where the strongest correlation between MAPS projects and increased property values can be made, due to proximity, are also where the TIF districts are concentrated.

So, basically, IF the MAPS projects have increased property values, we've also kicked a (significant?) chunk of that additional property tax revenue from those increases down the road a few decades.

But the Go Bond projects spend on par what MAPS does, in general (someone can check my math there. The amounts are similar, but the frequency may not be). At the end of the day, when talking about infrastructure, we have a lot of miles to cover, a lot of which is relatively not very dense. I think someone would have to look at traffic counts and infrastructure usage to really determine if one side of the city is getting a disproportionate amount of spending for infrastructure (anybody got that?).

Anecdotally, to me anyway, it seems our roads generally just don't hold up, even when we do throw money at them. I could list all the reasons I've heard over the years that have been floated as to why this is, but I've never heard of a good definitive answer or solution to it.

In any event, it seems odd to pit this all as MAPS vs. Roads. It seems way too interconnected to be reduced to a rudimentary binary proposition to me. Maybe it should be more something like " I want better roads, so I'm against MAPS, UNLESS they end TIF that forgoes any property tax increase created by MAPS projects, since that's where more money for the roads would come from..."

I'm sure someone can shoot holes in that, but thanks for letting me muddy the waters for a bit... :tongue:

I want tax dollars used for needed infrastructure like repacking/repairing roads and sidewalks.

Well, they are spent on that. I think you mean you want more money spent on repacking/repairing roads and sidewalks.

But exactly how is passing MAPS negatively related to money for infrastructure? That is, that passing MAPS equates to less money for roads.

Are you saying a property tax base increase is politically difficult because of MAPS?

Because, otherwise, If the MAPS tax ended tomorrow, that would not, in effect, increase spending on roads.

This is a legit question...can anyone tell me a large city in America that the locals think have "good roads'?

Fellow south sider here. I live in far SW OKC and have volunteered regularly with both the Maps 3 and Maps 4 campaign. Candidly, the campaign ignored the areas south of the river due to historic opposition to Maps. I disagree with this approach as I know many like minded individuals (White collar and college educated) who would support civic efforts if they felt engaged by the city government. The south chamber is a great advocate and one of the only reasons this initiative did as well as it did in SW OKC. Also, major kudos to Mayor Holt for all of his efforts south. I believe he has attended more south OKC events in 2 years than the last 4 mayors combined.

I support Maps because It benefits the city as a whole. However, there is a stigma living south and there is little effort by those in power to advocate for improvements south. Now, the greater chamber will deliver the standard Boring, Tinker, and airport efforts as major investments and I would agree but we could use the retail recruitment resources and efforts for beautification and incentives for economic development that are deployed DT and NW OKC. Bottom line. The majority of city government officials that have power and influence live north. You donÂ’t advocate for areas you donÂ’t live in or visit. Sadly, there is little reason for residents from outside the area to live shop or visit south OKC. Capitol Hill is our only shot. The lariat landing development could be a catalyst but city efforts are more focused on attracting retail to memorial road.

Here are some points to consider:
How much money have we spent incentivizing Von Maur, H&M, CabelaÂ’s and Costco?

The city systematically let Crossroads die and effectively 240. Could proactive economic incentives changed that? It certainly has helped Quail Springs.

How much in sales tax dollars bleeds to Moore or Norman from 73170 and 73173? Six figure incomes who presumably spend more money in Moore and Norman?

Could Lariat Lansing and I 240 avoided this fate of the city were proactive?

Why did we provide economic incentive for Costco North but make zero effort to land them south? Who got em? Moore

Nothing. I want tax dollars used for needed infrastructure like repacking/repairing roads and sidewalks.

You said the Southwest side pays taxes but sees little to no benefit from them. You also don’t want anything from MAPS on the southwest side. I’m not sure what you are advocating for.

Yes, everyone complains about the quality of roads in their area. It certainly isn’t a unique problem to the Southwest side.

Does anyone have an idea of approximately when we'll see an outline/ordering of the funding for these projects? I did not live in OKC back in 2009, so unsure of the exact process from here.

Tax collection doesn't even begin until 1 April. Not sure if citizen committees form before or after 1 April or if priority meetings would happen before or after then.

Does anyone have an idea of approximately when we'll see an outline/ordering of the funding for these projects? I did not live in OKC back in 2009, so unsure of the exact process from here.

Don't have any idea. My guest is:

Projects:
1 - 2 Coliseum, Stadium,
3 - 4 Animal Shelter, Family Justice Center

On-going 1-16 (spread out/in between): Beautification, Parks, Youth Centers, Homelessness, Senior Wellness Centers, Mental Health, Transit, Sidewalks, bike lanes, trails & streetlights,

13 - 14 Freedom Center, Diversion Hub,
15 -16 Chesapeake Energy Arena, Innovation District

Don't have any idea. My guest is:

Projects:
1 - 2 Coliseum, Stadium,
3 - 4 Animal Shelter, Family Justice Center

On-going 1-16 (spread out/in between): Beautification, Parks, Youth Centers, Homelessness, Senior Wellness Centers, Mental Health, Transit, Sidewalks, bike lanes, trails & streetlights,

13 - 14 Freedom Center, Diversion Hub,
15 -16 Chesapeake Energy Arena, Innovation District

expect the chesapeake arena to be near the front of the list

I suspect they'll work around the Thunder season tho

This is a legit question...can anyone tell me a large city in America that the locals think have "good roads'?

Not really. It is the same thing as "if you don't like the weather, just stick around". The same phrase is used almost anywhere. Coincidentally, the places with the least drastic weather changes are probably the same places with the nicest roads (no freezing temperatures to expand cracks). This will be Florida, South Texas, and South California.

My reasoning for placing the coliseum & stadium at the top of the list; If both are constructed at State Fair Park, the base infrastructure is there (ample parking) on land the city owns. There's renewal on the current horse & trade shows needing immediate attention--State Fair Board Trust. The stadium would be a perfect fit at the old Grand Stands location. As mentioned, you're not going to get much for $37 million; it will be a challenge to stretch those funds to the max. Parking & infrastructure limits how far those funds will go.

This allowed the City to spend more of those 'earmarked funds,' $63 million on the coliseum and $37 million on the stadium to allow those funds to do more with those projects.

If you build on private land; there's the question of parking and basic infrastructure unless you can build near our new convention center complex where the area will have garage & surface parking, restaurants & entertainment in place.

The stadium at State Fair Park would encourage more private development to the area; improve the community that surrounds SFP.

A central location would be idea for the stadium. Just don't feel that a south or specific north location will matter.

IMO, the City will do due diligence to put the multipurpose stadium in a position to be a success. Naming-rights should go to the highest bidder who could make an impact on their legacy and the stadium--are you listening Harold Hamm (Continental Resources Stadium), Tom & Judy Love (Love's Field). :wink: :D :wink:

I think there will be a lot of uproar if it's built in the NW, sorry.

Does anyone know the status of the plot of land that is bounded by Exchange, SW 3rd, Western, and I-40? I feel like that could be a very interesting spot for the stadium.

Does anyone know the status of the plot of land that is bounded by Exchange, SW 3rd, Western, and I-40? I feel like that could be a very interesting spot for the stadium.

Pete may be able to give you an update on this parcel.

MAPS 4 penny sales tax collections:

The penny tax would bring in about $110 million per year; that equivalent to $9.2 million per month .

Fellow south sider here. I live in far SW OKC and have volunteered regularly with both the Maps 3 and Maps 4 campaign. Candidly, the campaign ignored the areas south of the river due to historic opposition to Maps. I disagree with this approach as I know many like minded individuals (White collar and college educated) who would support civic efforts if they felt engaged by the city government. The south chamber is a great advocate and one of the only reasons this initiative did as well as it did in SW OKC. Also, major kudos to Mayor Holt for all of his efforts south. I believe he has attended more south OKC events in 2 years than the last 4 mayors combined.

I support Maps because It benefits the city as a whole. However, there is a stigma living south and there is little effort by those in power to advocate for improvements south. Now, the greater chamber will deliver the standard Boring, Tinker, and airport efforts as major investments and I would agree but we could use the retail recruitment resources and efforts for beautification and incentives for economic development that are deployed DT and NW OKC. Bottom line. The majority of city government officials that have power and influence live north. You donÂ’t advocate for areas you donÂ’t live in or visit. Sadly, there is little reason for residents from outside the area to live shop or visit south OKC. Capitol Hill is our only shot. The lariat landing development could be a catalyst but city efforts are more focused on attracting retail to memorial road.

Here are some points to consider:
How much money have we spent incentivizing Von Maur, H&M, CabelaÂ’s and Costco?

The city systematically let Crossroads die and effectively 240. Could proactive economic incentives changed that? It certainly has helped Quail Springs.

How much in sales tax dollars bleeds to Moore or Norman from 73170 and 73173? Six figure incomes who presumably spend more money in Moore and Norman?

Could Lariat Lansing and I 240 avoided this fate of the city were proactive?

Why did we provide economic incentive for Costco North but make zero effort to land them south? Who got em? Moore

I wish I had the breakdown, but the amount of money spent on previous MAPS projects is equally divided between north and south. I agree with catch22's take that perception is reality, because so much of what people do recreationally and dining and entertainment-wise is north of the river. But that is not necessarily due to MAPS investments. I suppose one could argue that the MAPS investments in North OKC were more effective because the ground was already seeded with more private investment.

As for the roads matter, there are a TON of road repairs scheduled that haven't happened yet. We just had a secondary road near our home resurfaced and it has been life changing. The state of the road before was horrific, easily one of the worst in OKC. Had it not been for a series of serious sinkholes, however, we would have had to wait another year or two. The sinkholes were too severe to patch so they just went ahead and did the road.

Historically, Southwest OKC has had Council representation that has not effectively advocated for the area. During this election, David Greenwell publicly stated he would not support MAPS 4. That's certainly his right but as your representative you need to be pressing him to do his job and advocate for your neighborhood.

There is not a secret cabal of haters in North OKC trying to deny cool things to South OKC.

Soonerguru


I suppose one could argue that the MAPS investments in North OKC were more effective because the ground was already seeded with more private investment.

This is so true, the seeds for more private investment were already in place on the north side.

MAPS 4 will serve as a catalyst for effective future development. You will see future benefits south of the Oklahoma Rivers. Especially if the new MAPS 4 stadium is built there near the lower Scissortail Park.

https://www.okc.gov/Home/ShowPublishedImage/7406/635992688046000000

Where do sales tax dollars go in OKC?

https://www.okc.gov/Home/ShowPublishedImage/9189/636501426744670000

The City's share of the sales tax rate is 4.125 percent – a little more than 4 cents per dollar. About half (2 1/4 cents) goes to the General Fund, which pays for day-to-day operations. Most of the General Fund goes to public safety (Police and Fire), with the rest to other services. An additional 3/4 of a cent is permanently dedicated to public safety. Then 1/8 of a cent goes to the Oklahoma City Zoo. The last penny is the one historically used for the series of temporary penny sales taxes, like the MAPS programs and the current Better Streets, Safer City program. MAPS 4 takes effect when that temporary tax expires.

The rest of the overall sales tax rate in Oklahoma City goes to the state (and to the county in Cleveland and Canadian counties, which have county sales tax).

Source link: https://www.okc.gov/government/maps-4/ideas-4-maps-faqs#anchor_sales%20tax%20comparison

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https://journalrecord.com/files/2019/09/Maps-4_Kick-off_Holt_Percy_3495mh.jpg

Oklahoma City residents pass MAPS 4 initiative; what's next?

Now, Holt said city officials will create a citizens advisory committee around January 2020 and then will meet with people to decide on who will be on it. That committee will come up with a plan on what to fund when, and then the City Council will have to approve its recommendations.

" Holt said. "MAPS 3 didn't complete its implementation plan for about a year and half before that was adopted."

For example, the MAPS 3 Convention Center isn't expected to open until 2020, 11 years after the MAPS 3 initiative was approved by voters.

https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AAhnrTH.img?h=40&w=138&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f&f=png https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/oklahoma-city-residents-pass-maps-4-initiative-whats-next/ar-AAK2cYh

That translates to $110 million in collections starting in April 2020 to April 2021 (12 months @ $9.2 million a year) before the 1st project construction begins (MAPS 4 approved December 10, 2019).

If one of you is interested in getting on the Citizen’s Advisory Committee below is a quote from the OKC MAPS 3 website on how the committee was chosen for MAPS 3. You probably need to know your representative well.

“Each of Oklahoma City's eight City Council members nominate one person to represent their ward. Two at-large board members are appointed upon nomination by the Mayor. One Advisory Board member is a City Council member, who is appointed by the Mayor and confirmed by a Council vote. The Council member serves a one-year term, and another Council member then takes over on a rotating basis.

Eight subcommittees comprised of more than 60 members provide additional input to the Citizens Advisory Board. Two members of the Advisory Board serve as the chair and vice-chair of each subcommittee.”

Honestly everyone should know their counselor pretty well just because.

Honestly everyone should know their counselor pretty well just because.

Councilor. :) But I think emtefury was talking about the MAPS Citizen Advisory Board member that your councilperson nominates, not the councilperson themselves (but I do agree with both of you).

https://s3.amazonaws.com/gs-waymarking-images/021504f5-903e-40a3-89eb-7e151832980b_l.JPG

Neighborhood beautification projects.

Our city is a year away from construction. OKC collects roughly $9.2 million annually starting with April 2020; therefore expect construction to begin on the initial projects around March 2021 with sales tax collection above $80 million. Planning & committee work will begin much earlier, say after July 2020. From the list of 16 projects below, can you predict which 2 projects will take priority:

Parks ($140 million) First, $63 million is to upgrade every municipal neighborhood and community park outside of the central business district.

Youth Centers ($110 million) Four new youth centers ($70 million), operating fund ($30 million), capital improvement operating fund ($10 million).

Senior Wellness Centers ($30 million)The package provides for a fifth senior wellness center ($15 million) to address coverage gaps remaining after MAPS 3.

Mental Health & Addiction ($40 million) Two new mental health crisis centers ($11 million), new restoration center ($22 million), temporary crisis housing ($7 million).


Family Justice Center operated by Palomar ($38 million)
Transit ($87 million)
Sidewalks, bike lanes, trails and streetlights ($87 million)
Homelessness ($50 million)
Chesapeake Energy Arena and related facilities ($115 million)
Animal Shelter ($38 million)

Fairgrounds Coliseum ($63 million) MAPS 4 allocates $63 million to the project, to be supplemented by at least $25 million from hotel tax revenues already earmarked for fairgrounds improvements, as well as other resources.


Diversion Hub ($17 million)
Innovation District ($71 million)
Freedom Center and Clara Luper Civil Rights Center ($25 million)
Beautification ($30 million)
Multipurpose Stadium ($37 million)

http://city-sentinel.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/U.S.S.OklahomaAnchorCampbellPark.jpg

Community parks beautification projects.

Note: Operational funds are built into many of the MAPS 4 initiatives.

https://www.okc.gov/Home/ShowPublishedImage/3452/635923614935400000

My two picks are parks & SF coliseum, take the worst & best parks in the city, use the first $32 million on upgrading half of our city parks; then our tourism bread winner, Fairgrounds Coliseum which will allow the trust to get the current shows to sign or renew long-term leases since $25 million in hotel-motel sales tax collections are tied in with the new coliseum. The sooner you get the coliseum built it will allow the new arena & the Meridian hotel corridor to improve their hotels with renovation to vie for hospitality in welcoming the various horse events & related trade shows.

Parks ($140 million) First, $63 million is to upgrade every municipal neighborhood and community park outside of the central business district.

https://cdn2.newsok.biz/cache/r960-cbcab067d98882aa38ea766d37254985.jpg

Fairgrounds Coliseum ($63 million) MAPS 4 allocates $63 million to the project, to be supplemented by at least $25 million from hotel tax revenues already earmarked for fairgrounds improvements, as well as other resources.

Outlining MAPS 4 . . .

Excerpts from William Crum's article February 3rd Oklahoman


Forty to 50 volunteers appointed by the mayor and confirmed by the council will oversee MAPS 4 spending.

The six subcommittees will work most closely with the MAPS office staff and consultants, and will make recommendations to the Citizens Advisory Board.

The board will make spending recommendations to the city council, which retains final decision-making authority.

Meetings will be open to the public and records will be subject to the state’s Open Records Act, providing an unusually transparent window into government spending.

The biggest project at nearly $300 million, the MAPS 3 convention center, is to be completed in September.

Is there a link to each committee's schedule, agenda and members? Google wasn't my friend on this.

Oklahoma City's May Sales And Use Tax Summary

General Fund sales tax revenue is 2.1% (about $4.9 million) below the fiscal year-to-date projection.

https://patch.com/oklahoma/oklahoma-city/oklahoma-city-s-may-sales-use-tax-summary

It is time for this campaign! No more free money for these Charlatans

16220

Mr. Hunt, we just passed Federal Tax cuts for the ultra rich while many people in the $40,000 to $75,000 salary tax range are writing annual checks to the government because they no longer qualify for mortgage interests on their homes.

Please be specific about the free money the Thunder are receiving and if that free money is any different than the free money other NBA franchises are obtaining in their markets.

What does this have to do with the 'Full list of MAPS 4 Projects.'

Respectfully, maybe Mr. Hunt should move to a trailer in the woods outside Boley where nobody and no one will bother him and no charlatains will try 'n take his money.

Mr. Hunt, we just passed Federal Tax cuts for the ultra rich while many people in the $40,000 to $75,000 salary tax range are writing annual checks to the government because they no longer qualify for mortgage interests on their homes.

Please be specific about the free money the Thunder are receiving and if that free money is any different than the free money other NBA franchises are obtaining in their markets.

What does this have to do with the 'Full list of MAPS 4 Projects.'

The mortgage interest deduction is now limited to the first $750k of principle.

No one who makes 75k would qualify for, say, a 900k mortgage.

Mr. Hunt, we just passed Federal Tax cuts for the ultra rich while many people in the $40,000 to $75,000 salary tax range are writing annual checks to the government because they no longer qualify for mortgage interests on their homes.

Please be specific about the free money the Thunder are receiving and if that free money is any different than the free money other NBA franchises are obtaining in their markets.

What does this have to do with the 'Full list of MAPS 4 Projects.'

A tax break cannot be given to someone that does not pay taxes. These are facts from the IRS from 2016 tax year.

In 2016, 140.9 million taxpayers reported earning $10.2 trillion in adjusted gross income and paid $1.4 trillion in individual income taxes.

The share of reported income earned by the top 1 percent of taxpayers fell slightly to 19.7 percent in 2016. Their share of federal individual income taxes fell slightly, to 37.3 percent.

In 2016, the top 50 percent of all taxpayers paid 97 percent of all individual income taxes, while the bottom 50 percent paid the remaining 3 percent.

The top 1 percent paid a greater share of individual income taxes (37.3 percent) than the bottom 90 percent combined (30.5 percent).

The top 1 percent of taxpayers paid a 26.9 percent individual income tax rate, which is more than seven times higher than taxpayers in the bottom 50 percent (3.7 percent).

Mr. Hunt, I'm waiting on you to answer my question that you brought up about free money.

Please be specific about the free money the Thunder are receiving and if that free money is any different than the free money other NBA franchises are obtaining in their markets.

This question is for Mr. Hunt to answer since he brought this to our attention. Those of you are trying to muddy the water with gobbledygook, please allow Mr. Hunt answer.

Respectfully, maybe Mr. Hunt should move to a trailer in the woods outside Boley where nobody and no one will bother him and no charlatains will try 'n take his money.

not much more infantile and hillbillyesque than the ol "love it or leave it" bs...

Mr. Hunt, I'm waiting on you to answer my question that you brought up about free money.

Please be specific about the free money the Thunder are receiving and if that free money is any different than the free money other NBA franchises are obtaining in their markets.

This question is for Mr. Hunt to answer since he brought this to our attention. Those of you are trying to muddy the water with gobbledygook, please allow Mr. Hunt answer.


Am I unaware of a cancellation of the "Quality Jobs Act" that makes it so where they pay negative state taxes? Also, and I'm sure you'll disagree, the Chesapeake Energy Arena and related facilities ($115 million) is a pretty good deal for them...

Sorry it took so long, this is a pretty negative place with some real low-lifes as you saw with the love it or leave it and taco bell nonsense from this trash can chamberbots..

Am I unaware of a cancellation of the "Quality Jobs Act" that makes it so where they pay negative state taxes? Also, and I'm sure you'll disagree, the Chesapeake Energy Arena and related facilities ($115 million) is a pretty good deal for them...

Sorry it took so long, this is a pretty negative place with some real low-lifes as you saw with the love it or leave it and taco bell nonsense from this trash can chamberbots..

they rent the arena

the quality jobs act arena?

the quality jobs act arena?

A quality of life act. And it's well worth the investment IMO.

not much more infantile and hillbillyesque than the ol "love it or leave it" bs...

Respectfully, Mr. Hunt, does the truth hurt?

The vast majority of citizens want good things and sometimes good things cost money , even taxpayer money. To attract private investment, sometimes the citizens have to show they are willing to invest, too, and share the risk.

If you feel your taxes are too high, that you don't want good things, good city services, good roads, good schools and to help spur private enterprise then a nice place out in the country may be your ticket. I'm a fiscal conservative usually, but there is a difference between paying for good services, being able to show potential investors pride in your city and just being an isolationist.

I'm certainly not a libertarian. Just not a big fan of radical austerity based neoliberalism.

NOT a fan of Radical austarity? That's exactly what you describe you want. Bare essentials only.

NOT a fan of Radical austarity? That's exactly what you describe you want. Bare essentials only.

Sounds like he is comfortable with the prospect of buying Salad Shrimp (Food Stamps, Healthcare, iPhones, etc.) on the taxpayer dime, but he isn’t necessarily cool with feeding Fantail Shrimp to Corporatists, particularly if that means less Salad Shrimp are appropriated.

lawl

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought the diversion hub was going to be a physical building though this article says it’s open and functioning. Did I miss something?

https://www.velocityokc.com/blog/policy/cjac-continues-to-take-oklahoma-county-in-a-positive-direction/

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It is a physical building.

They took over a structure at 220 NW 10th, which is just south of Packard's and on the streetcar line.

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/diversionhub090920a.jpg


https://okdiversionhub.org/

https://oklahoman.com/article/5680281/downtown-tract-could-be-developed-for-maps-4-diversion-hub

https://oklahoman.com/article/5680281/downtown-tract-could-be-developed-for-maps-4-diversion-hub

https://cdn2.newsok.biz/cache/large960_blur-7c38f500f31aba6fadc7fd249fc7ff30.jpg
Artist's rendering of a proposed $17 million diversion hub that would "relieve pressure on the Oklahoma County jail and help low-level offenders establish a more productive life." Oklahoman[PROVIDED]

In the jail trust meeting today they said the current population at the jail is 1792, though the designed capacity is 1200. Wonder if there's going to be 592 extra spots at the hub...

In the jail trust meeting today they said the current population at the jail is 1792, though the designed capacity is 1200. Wonder if there's going to be 592 extra spots at the hub...
Luckily, the diversion hub is designed to look very similar to a jail, so it should be an easy transition. :rolleyes:

Here is an update on all the projects from last week's MAPS 4 board meeting:

https://www.okctalk.com/content.php?r=726-Update-on-all-16-MAPS-4-Projects