^^^^ so with that logic let’s force people to ride transit or have to put with more traffic and harder to find parking?


https://youtu.be/FaLyasJPyUU

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/boulevard111019a.jpg

They should build a structured parking garage behind this development instead of the surface lot and get rid of the surface parking lot in front of the Plaza Court and either build a new skinny building in front of it or build a park there.

They should build a structured parking garage behind this development instead of the surface lot and get rid of the surface parking lot in front of the Plaza Court and either build a new skinny building in front of it or build a park there.

I think owners of that should finish out a structure to the second level of parking there as well as expand partially to the rooftop. The roof was obviously rated for parking at one time, so building structure plus a large rooftop patio would be awesome for this.

I would love to see a housing project built above the EMSA building, keeping a portion of the ground level for EMSA operations, but then having commercial space facing Plaza Court, the housing project could be half housing and half hotel which I bet would be useful right around SSM's campus.

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/boulevard120819a.jpg


http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/boulevard120819b.jpg

That makes a nice statement on that corner.

Glad to see projects like The Boulevard complement the existing structures in this area of Midtown Plaza Court.

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http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/boulevard012520a.jpg

I didn't previously catch how close this was bumping up against Stella.

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This has been done in other cities but I don’t know much about how it’s done. It would be nice to literally move the Stella building closer to the street and put the parking behind it.

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/boulevard021520a.jpg

This has been done in other cities but I don’t know much about how it’s done. It would be nice to literally move the Stella building closer to the street and put the parking behind it.

yes please

This has been done in other cities but I don’t know much about how it’s done. It would be nice to literally move the Stella building closer to the street and put the parking behind it.
So, how is this done with a slab structure? Not familiar with anyone doing it. And, if they can, at what cost? Will it increase their sales?

If they can fill the street level with interesting retail, this is a game changer for Midtown.

So, how is this done with a slab structure? Not familiar with anyone doing it. And, if they can, at what cost? Will it increase their sales?
I don’t know but 100+ year old buildings have been moved so surely there is a way.

The benefit is creating a true urban district that is dense and vibrant. The increase in sales I’m not sure but not everything is done to directly increase sales. If that were the case than philanthropy wouldn’t exist. Though to your point it could be in the city’s interest to provide some funding to make this happen since it might not directly increase sales directly or immediately. This is a cool building and I wonder how much it would cost to do that.

I don’t know but 100+ year old buildings have been moved so surely there is a way.

The benefit is creating a true urban district that is dense and vibrant. The increase in sales I’m not sure but not everything is done to directly increase sales. If that were the case than philanthropy wouldn’t exist. Though to your point it could be in the city’s interest to provide some funding to make this happen since it might not directly increase sales directly or immediately. This is a cool building and I wonder how much it would cost to do that.
Pretty sure the only way on this type of building on a slab is to raze it and rebuild. If there aren’t floor beams, how can it be moved? If you give me an example of a 100 yr old building built with a slab foundation that has been moved I will be glad to research and see how they did it.

The owner isn’t going to voluntarily spend a huge amount of money to move a perfectly sound building if there is no financial incentive to do so. It’s not like this restaurant makes a ton of money anyway.

⬆⬆ They tunnel thru the slab and slide the beams through these holes. Support the structure then it can be moved. I don't know why they would do it but it can be done.

⬆⬆ They tunnel thru the slab and slide the beams through these holes. Support the structure then it can be moved. I don't know why they would do it but it can be done.
A simple well reinforced small structure, maybe. Cost of this procedure alone can be 70% of cost of building the structure from scratch. Then add moving all the hookups, cost of new slab, repairing inevitable damage, permits, loss of income during the procedure, etc., you may as well build new. So, you’ve just doubled the cost of the original purchase. No smart business person would do this.

^^^ I would like to know more about the costs of this. If it is a historic structure then I get but this building obviously isn’t that. I’m skeptical that it would cost 70 percent of building new.

I am 100% for the Stella building being pushed out to the street, but it seems a lot to ask. And, with the patio, it’s not *that* bad. I’ll settle for continuing to get quality urban design on empty lots like the Boulevard next door. That area in the near vicinity of the Plaza Court building really has been such a homerun. Tremendous work on project after project.

And the building is historic. Not in the sense that we think of it, but it's an old, unique build adding a bit of character to this city.

And the building is historic. Not in the sense that we think of it, but it's an old, unique build adding a bit of character to this city.
The Boulevard is historic and unique? That is what this thread is about, right? The Boulevard?

The Stella building. I was responding to PP just forgot to quote.


^^^ I would like to know more about the costs of this. If it is a historic structure then I get but this building obviously isn’t that. I’m skeptical that it would cost 70 percent of building new.

And the building is historic. Not in the sense that we think of it, but it's an old, unique build adding a bit of character to this city.I agree which is why I thought it was worthy of moving and not a tear down.

This Stella building, its urbanism, it’s history, it’s design uniqueness, and location effect on the neighborhood is so important that it needs its own thread. Who new it is so controversial.

Back to this thread... do we know the desired mix of retailers or other tenants that the developer of THE BOULEVARD is attempting to bring the neighborhood? Why do they believe they can fill this particular location when others downtown are struggling to fill retail spaces? Will the retailers be of appeal primarily to neighborhood or be a destination retail spot?

Just a quick idea to the Stella question, why not tear out the parking area for a small pedestrian plaza, Stella could expand their patio a bit for nice weather season, add a fountain or fire pit. I would argue it would be a better center point being across from a hotel than the roundabout. That way the building stays put but there is more space for pedestrian activity.

Just a quick idea to the Stella question, why not tear out the parking area for a small pedestrian plaza, Stella could expand their patio a bit for nice weather season, add a fountain or fire pit. I would argue it would be a better center point being across from a hotel than the roundabout. That way the building stays put but there is more space for pedestrian activity.

because stella and 1492 like that drive and parking lot for both thier customers parking as well as customer drop off ..

because stella and 1492 like that drive and parking lot for both thier customers parking as well as customer drop off ..

I would give them a half lane similar to the hotel for drop off/ pick up. I think the parking in the back and around the district satisfies those who want a better urban feel to the district. Which was the whole point of the Stella argument, to make the district feel more urban.

Another building that needs to be moved is the Hayes Magrini & Gatewood building just across the street and north of Waffle Champion. There is a substantial elevation issue, but this would be a good location to build a narrow multi-story building for office/retail/ and 1 or 2 condos on top.

Just a quick idea to the Stella question, why not tear out the parking area for a small pedestrian plaza, Stella could expand their patio a bit for nice weather season, add a fountain or fire pit. I would argue it would be a better center point being across from a hotel than the roundabout. That way the building stays put but there is more space for pedestrian activity.

We have a winner

Glass starting to go in on the ground floor:

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/boulevard031420a.jpg

In a way, this is a game changer in midtown. Great span of street interactivity.

Taking a walk through this area yesterday, the most surprising thing i noticed was how much visual presence this building has along Walker. I was not expecting such a dramatic change to the feel of that street from this project.

Brick is continuing to go up on the northsides of the building.

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Taking a walk through this area yesterday, the most surprising thing i noticed was how much visual presence this building has along Walker. I was not expecting such a dramatic change to the feel of that street from this project.

Mid-rise infill (or even low-rise, two stories probably isn't 'mid') has an amazing impact just about everywhere it goes up.

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This is one of my favorite projects. As denser development creeps toward the hospital I hope it just strengthens the synergy between the hospital and neighborhood.

Neighborhood Jam space in the first 2 images which mainly fronts Dewey:

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/nieghborhoodjam032820a.jpg


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http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/boulevard032820c.jpg

I've not driven by this project yet, but it looks like awesome fill-in!

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/boulevard041820a.jpg

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/boulevard051620a.jpg

Impressive Midtown infill.

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/boulevard052120a.jpg

Now I'm even more in love with these two projects now that I realize they are next to either!

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http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/boulevard061220a.jpg

Along with Villa Teresa this area has quickly become one of my favorites.

I hope the building isn’t set back with no sidewalk along the street. That will really kill the urban feel if that is the case.

I hope the building isn’t set back with no sidewalk along the street. That will really kill the urban feel if that is the case.

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/midtownblvd1.jpg

Okay thank you. That is great. Just looked like from the photo it was going to be set back. Glad that isn’t the case.

Urban retail space done right.

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/boulevard062120a.jpg

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/boulevard070520a.jpg

This^^^^

Other than Neighborhood Jam, do we know what else will occupy these spaces?

Other than Neighborhood Jam, do we know what else will occupy these spaces?

Welcome to the site!

Not yet. The only building permit for tenant finish-out has been NJ.

Welcome to the site!

Not yet. The only building permit for tenant finish-out has been NJ.
Thanks! New to okc living so this forum has been a neat find to see what’s coming up.

The last photo is inside the Neighborhood Jam space:

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/boulevard071920c.jpg


http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/boulevard071920b.jpg


http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/boulevard071920a.jpg


http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/jam071920a.jpg

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I love how it steps down the hill.