Huh, I think it hadn't really sunk in to me that it was the alumni giving rate and not the totals that were misrepresented. I'm not sure that could be more meaningless to quality of education received.

Total gifts you could easily argue having an impact since that is the university's bottom line, but giving rate?

the idea is that alumni that are generally satisfied with their experience at an institution are more likely to give to it... therefore, the rate in which alumni give is used as an indicator of student satisfaction. i think there are flaws in that logic, but I think that's the general reason for including it.

https://oklahoman.com/article/5633268/norman-police-investigating-death-of-former-state-lawmaker

another Seth Rich?

https://oklahoman.com/article/5633268/norman-police-investigating-death-of-former-state-lawmaker

another Seth Rich?

Whats that supposed to mean? Are you spinning a similar unfounded take?

https://oklahoman.com/article/5633268/norman-police-investigating-death-of-former-state-lawmaker


Was it suicide or are they suspecting foul play? Only the Oklahoman is reporting (that I've seen) that a gun was found on a table across the room.

Was it suicide or are they suspecting foul play? Only the Oklahoman is reporting (that I've seen) that a gun was found on a table across the room.

Nondoc is reporting gunshot wound, but not the cause or manner. No word on if a gun was recovered. https://nondoc.com/2019/06/06/former-sen-jonathan-nichols-has-died/

the idea is that alumni that are generally satisfied with their experience at an institution are more likely to give to it... therefore, the rate in which alumni give is used as an indicator of student satisfaction. i think there are flaws in that logic, but I think that's the general reason for including it.

In the early U.S. News rankings, Ivy League schools didn't rank at the top. Factors like this were added to ensure that university's with wealthier families, students, and alumni schools rank high. It has nothing to do with "educational quality."

https://oklahoman.com/article/5633268/norman-police-investigating-death-of-former-state-lawmaker

another Seth Rich?

So a conspiracy theory?

Boren is cutting ties and universities investigation is coming to a close.
https://oklahoman.com/article/5633768/boren-cuts-ties-with-the-university-of-oklahoma

Won't give another dime to my Alma Mater. Pure politics by henchmen out to destroy a Man who lived his life serving Oklahoma.

Looks like next week we will hear from the grand jury.

All this started with hiring this very expensive and very politically aligned law firm to investigate the overstatement of one minor statistic to US News and World Reports. Why was that necessary in the first place? Didn't they already have the real #'s and couldn't have the university just self-reported? And as it happened, what was the worst case scenario? You come clean, they suspend your ranking for one year. Hardly the end of the world.

When later questioned about the need for this large expense, all the regents talked about was the sensitivity of the sexual harassment claims. But, we have been told, that's not why they were hired in the first place, especially because this Title IX report didn't come until after OU was already using them.

So, it just so happens that when this Title IX report was filed and the university was obligated to investigate, they had already retained Jones Day and then just put them on that issue as well.

It's very hard to believe these things weren't related. I'd still like to know the reason behind the timing of this Title IX report; how this employee came to report it in November even though they were required by law to report immediately upon becoming aware, which was several months earlier.

Then, throw on top of it the Gallogly disaster and him suddenly clearing out without any real explanation.


This has just been a big ugly, public mess and it sure doesn't seem that the people involved are being completely honest.

Time to take the Boren name off the OSU Veterinary Hospital.

Won't give another dime to my Alma Mater. Pure politics by henchmen out to destroy a Man who lived his life serving Oklahoma.

It’s funny, I’ll likely increase my donation ;)

Is this how the "secret deal" finishes? First Gallogly leaves, then Boren leaves, the investigation ends, and the school resets?

It’s funny, I’ll likely increase my donation ;)

The new normal: As long as I like the outcome, I don't care about the means.

A law firm hired by the university investigated for months, identifying six men who gave accounts of encounters with Boren. Only one, former teaching assistant Jess Eddy, has come forward publicly.

I missed this the first time around. Had no idea there were six men who gave accounts of encounters with Boren.

I missed this the first time around. Had no idea there were six men who gave accounts of encounters with Boren.

yep... that often seems to be overlooked or dismissed

The new normal: As long as I like the outcome, I don't care about the means.

That isn’t necessarily true. I’m fine with the outcome but obviously I’m not happy with how poorly all of the negative attention has reflected on the university. It’s certainly possible to on one hand selfishly enjoy the destruction of Boren’s legacy while at the same time think the whole thing was excessive and extremely unnecessary.

yep... that often seems to be overlooked or dismissed

my the majority of those on this thread ..


also the general thoughts of those that i know that work at OU is the the gallagoly year as president was very very successful

That isn’t necessarily true. I’m fine with the outcome but obviously I’m not happy with how poorly all of the negative attention has reflected on the university. It’s certainly possible to on one hand selfishly enjoy the destruction of Boren’s legacy while at the same time think the whole thing was excessive and extremely unnecessary.

You said you planned to increase your donation, so that speaks for itself. As does your statement about 'selfishly enjoying the destruction of Boren's legacy'.

This has been political from the very beginning, it's just that people are trying to dress this up as something else and at the same time causing great harm to the image of the university they claim to love.

That isn’t necessarily true. I’m fine with the outcome but obviously I’m not happy with how poorly all of the negative attention has reflected on the university. It’s certainly possible to on one hand selfishly enjoy the destruction of Boren’s legacy while at the same time think the whole thing was excessive and extremely unnecessary.

So where do you stand? are you selfishly enjoying the personal destruction of an individual who without question served to make the State a better place at all levels. Your posts suggest you do. This is akin to the Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh where Repubs lamented the timeline to surfacing the allegations. Outrage. Same here, wait until the man serves, reaches retirement, moves off the stage and then disparage his entire career through as yet unsubstantiated allegations. This is simply unconscionable, orchestrated by people in this State who have power and agendas. This State will never realize its potential until the Good ole Boy Club of families who run it are gone.

my the majority of those on this thread ..


also the general thoughts of those that i know that work at OU is the the gallagoly year as president was very very successful
And those I know think the opposite. They are embarrassed by him and the destructive way he ruled.

also the general thoughts of those that i know that work at OU is the the gallagoly year as president was very very successful

Delusional.

This is another instance where empirical evidence isn’t yet available, and limited information is released. People will form opinions which - by human nature - are difficult to change. Six people describe encounters and have been interviewed by Jones Day, and only one has been named. He first denied any any activity, then claimed nothing beyond kissing his cheek & neck and grabbing his rear, then called Boren and asked for money. Hardly a credible or compelling witness. So I wonder why Boren is so vilified, why NOW - after his resignation - and what the facts truly are. I have no opinion other than I am highly suspicious of the allegations and investigation.

Delusional.

No he's not. My contacts within the school may not necessarily thought it was "very, very successful" but they were generally happy with Gallogly and a lot of the moves he made. They definitely didn't want him to resign.

He 'resigned' without any real explanation and was completely out of the state a few days later, all within 10 months of being hired.

There is still much about this being withheld, but those are not the actions of someone who was 'successful' in their job.

That isn’t necessarily true. I’m fine with the outcome but obviously I’m not happy with how poorly all of the negative attention has reflected on the university. It’s certainly possible to on one hand selfishly enjoy the destruction of Boren’s legacy while at the same time think the whole thing was excessive and extremely unnecessary.

So where do you stand? are you selfishly enjoying the personal destruction of an individual who without question served to make the State a better place at all levels. Your posts suggest you do. This is akin to the Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh where Repubs lamented the timeline to surfacing the allegations. Outrage. Same here, wait until the man serves, reaches retirement, moves off the stage and then disparage his entire career through as yet unsubstantiated allegations. This is simply unconscionable, orchestrated by people in this State who have power and agendas. This State will never realize its potential until the Good ole Boy Club of families who run it are gone.

I think I made it pretty clear. It's completely possible to selfishly enjoy the destruction of Boren's legacy because of a personal grudge and be glad that he has severed ties with the school while objectively agreeing that it hasn't been good for the school and was unnecessary. No doubt he made the university a better place and through his work there, the state as well, but that doesn't mean I have to like him or be disappointed that he's no longer the president at OU. I agree, just as I did with Kavanaugh and several other cases of bringing up supposed sexual harassment allegations from years ago (though some are obviously warranted, Harvey Weinstein being an example). But on the opposite side of what you said some of the same people, I'm assuming you included, were among the crowd cheering for Kavanaugh to be disqualified because of 30 year old allegations and are now saying similar allegations shouldn't matter for Boren. I think the allegations against Boren are dumb just as I did those against Kavanaugh but am happy that he is no longer involved with OU.

^

Boren hasn't really been involved with OU for some time.

What you seem to be most happy about is 'the destruction of Boren's legacy because of a personal grudge'.

That's just incredibly sad and vindictive and also indicates that others likely feel this way, including some of those directly involved in this whole mess.

He 'resigned' without any real explanation and was completely out of the state a few days later, all within 10 months of being hired.

There is still much about this being withheld, but those are not the actions of someone who was 'successful' in their job.

it was always pretty clear that he was never long term for the job ..

He 'resigned' without any real explanation and was completely out of the state a few days later, all within 10 months of being hired.

There is still much about this being withheld, but those are not the actions of someone who was 'successful' in their job.

Could be the actions of someone who just doesn't want to deal with academia anymore after a year of being blamed for things like racist incidents committed by people who left the school 5+ years ago or by people who never attended the university in the first place. Though I agree with you that much is being withheld and his abrupt resignation was suspicious.

Regardless, none of that means Boulder Sooner was delusional in his statement that a sizable portion of the OU community that was happy with him as the president and some of what he accomplished for the 10 months that he was the president. My contacts thought it was successful as well.

it was always pretty clear that he was never long term for the job ..

Not being there for the long term and making a hasty exit after only 10 months are two entirely different things.

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Boren hasn't really been involved with OU for some time.

What you seem to be most happy about is 'the destruction of Boren's legacy because of a personal grudge'.

That's just incredibly sad and vindictive and also indicates that others likely feel this way, including some of those directly involved in this whole mess.

For me, him being involved at all was more than I wanted. Call it what you want, we agree on a lot of things but will likely never completely will on David Boren, Gallogly, or whoever the BoR hires next.

For me, him being involved at all was more than I wanted. Call it what you want, we agree on a lot of things but will likely never completely will on David Boren, Gallogly, or whoever the BoR hires next.

Yes, because I want what's best for the university and don't have a personal grudge.

Yes, because I want what's best for the university and don't have a personal grudge.

Correct

Regardless, none of that means Boulder Sooner was delusional in his statement that a sizable portion of the OU community that was happy with him as the president and some of what he accomplished for the 10 months that he was the president. My contacts thought it was successful as well.

He didn't say said "sizable portion", he said "those that i know that work at OU".

Regardless, nobody who has a successful first year at their job as president of the largest university in a state resigns after just ten months with no prior warning and then leaves the state entirely within days. Feel free to live in your fantasy world if you believe that, but don't insist other people join you there.

He didn't say said "sizable portion", he said "those that i know that work at OU".

Sorry, I added that part based on my experience.

Regardless, nobody who has a successful first year at their job as president of the largest university in a state resigns after just ten months with no prior warning and then leaves the state entirely within days. Feel free to live in your fantasy world if you believe that, but don't insist other people join you there.

There's nothing to insist. I've literally had friends that work there tell me that they were happy with him as the president and some of the changes he made throughout his 10 months there and they've alluded to the fact that their associates felt similarly.

All of you that really think that there wasn't a decent contingent of people within and outside of the university that liked Gallogly are living in an bubble.

Regardless, nobody who has a successful first year at their job as president of the largest university in a state resigns after just ten months with no prior warning and then leaves the state entirely within days. Feel free to live in your fantasy world if you believe that, but don't insist other people join you there.

he never moved into the presidents house ... his wife never moved to the state ..... he went back home almost every weekend ...


do any of these things make you think he was going to be at ou for any length of time ...

he was brought in to make some needed changes which he did ... he is close to if not already a billionaire .. it is not like he needed the job ..

There's nothing to insist. I've literally had friends that work there tell me that they were happy with him as the president and some of the changes he made throughout his 10 months there and they've alluded to the fact that their associates felt similarly.

All of you that really think that there wasn't a decent contingent of people within and outside of the university that liked Gallogly are living in an bubble.

And yet you have provided no evidence for this other than hearsay.


he never moved into the presidents house ... his wife never moved to the state ..... he went back home almost every weekend ...


do any of these things make you think he was going to be at ou for any length of time ...

None of that adds up to "resigns with no warning after less than a year".


he was brought in to make some needed changes which he did ... he is close to if not already a billionaire .. it is not like he needed the job ..

Hey, maybe the next billionaire will decide to stay in their comfortable life instead and just stay away.

he was brought in to make some needed changes which he did ... he is close to if not already a billionaire .. it is not like he needed the job ..

We've been through this before and you have not been able to verify or prove this, so you really should stop stating it as fact.

But more importantly, why does this matter anyway? Only because it seems be part of a false narrative of how rich guys know everything about everything, including areas where they have no experience or expertise. And how even when they are making questionable decisions about government entities and tax dollars, everyone else should just pipe down and let the rich rule without question.

And yet you have provided no evidence for this other than hearsay.


Yeah I'm really not into giving out the names of my friends and family that work for OU or are Alumni. Want me to go out and get quotes from all of them for you? I guess if you think I'm making that up, you can continue living in your little Boren Bubble.

I would suggest that you haven't heard from the supporters in the news or media because they haven't had anything to complain about unlike anti-Gallogly people like the lovely Suzanne Grillot who could be heard screaming at the top of their lungs. Satisfaction is much less interesting news than outrage.

No he's not. My contacts within the school may not necessarily thought it was "very, very successful" but they were generally happy with Gallogly and a lot of the moves he made. They definitely didn't want him to resign.

Let's meet up for coffee. You've said in an earlier post you know who I am. My username is pretty obvious. If we studied together at OU at the same time we should hang out and discuss. I genuinely want to hear about your contacts' opinions. In the group of people I run with, and the many workers at OU who I keep close relationships with, the opinion of Gallogly was very poor. I would appreciate getting a fresh take on this very interesting chapter of OU's leadership. If you're interested shoot me a DM.

Also willing to discuss over beers at Elk Valley - first round is on me.

-Andy

Let's meet up for coffee. You've said in an earlier post you know who I am. My username is pretty obvious. If we studied together at OU at the same time we should hang out and discuss. I genuinely want to hear about your contacts' opinions. In the group of people I run with, and the many workers at OU who I keep close relationships with, the opinion of Gallogly was very poor. I would appreciate getting a fresh take on this very interesting chapter of OU's leadership. If you're interested shoot me a DM.

Also willing to discuss over beers at Elk Valley - first round is on me.

-Andy

I would be up for that, I'll shoot you a DM.

And yet you have provided no evidence for this other than hearsay.

Yeah I'm really not into giving out the names of my friends and family that work for OU or are Alumni. Want me to go out and get quotes from all of them for you? I guess if you think I'm making that up, you can continue living in your little Boren Bubble.

I would suggest that you haven't heard from the supporters in the news or media because they haven't had anything to complain about unlike anti-Gallogly people like the lovely Suzanne Grillot who could be heard screaming at the top of their lungs. Satisfaction is much less interesting news than outrage.

It is not my responsibility to believe your lack of proof. If you want us to have reason to believe you aren't just lying on account of the previously stated personal grudge you are going to have to offer up evidence to push past that.

And those I know think the opposite. They are embarrassed by him and the destructive way he ruled.

curious which departments they work in, because accounting and provost seem to be pretty content with the outcome, even if they didn't like the man personally.

Let's meet up for coffee. You've said in an earlier post you know who I am. My username is pretty obvious. If we studied together at OU at the same time we should hang out and discuss. I genuinely want to hear about your contacts' opinions. In the group of people I run with, and the many workers at OU who I keep close relationships with, the opinion of Gallogly was very poor. I would appreciate getting a fresh take on this very interesting chapter of OU's leadership. If you're interested shoot me a DM.

Also willing to discuss over beers at Elk Valley - first round is on me.

-Andy

and things like this make me remember why i love coming to this board... it's a place to meet up and discuss things, and sadly, sometimes it gets heated... but for the most part, i respect everyones opinions on here, and wish i could meet up with some of you and discuss things we disagree on!

and things like this make me remember why i love coming to this board... it's a place to meet up and discuss things, and sadly, sometimes it gets heated... but for the most part, i respect everyones opinions on here, and wish i could meet up with some of you and discuss things we disagree on!

Same! For the most part, lol.

It is not my responsibility to believe your lack of proof. If you want us to have reason to believe you aren't just lying on account of the previously stated personal grudge you are going to have to offer up evidence to push past that.

That's a pretty big assumption and accusation. One that I would expect from someone so firmly in the other corner. It's one thing to disagree with someone's opinion but another to accuse me of lying because I claim to know a decent amount of people who's opinion doesn't match yours.

That's a pretty big assumption and accusation. One that I would expect from someone so firmly in the other corner.

Still no evidence you can provide, though?

Still no evidence you can provide, though?

If it comes to giving up names and personal opinions of friends of mine, no. I'm not going to do that. You can keep living in your dream world bubble.

and things like this make me remember why i love coming to this board... it's a place to meet up and discuss things, and sadly, sometimes it gets heated... but for the most part, i respect everyones opinions on here, and wish i could meet up with some of you and discuss things we disagree on!

This is a good place to point out that BoulderSooner and I are good friends and have a healthy mutual respect.

This is a good place to point out that BoulderSooner and I are good friends and have a healthy mutual respect.

this is absolutly correct ..

This is a good place to point out that BoulderSooner and I are good friends and have a healthy mutual respect.

I didn't realize that!

I didn't realize that!

We came to know each other through this site.

Similar to you and me.


It's funny, before I moved back there was an urgency about getting together as a group because I only came to town once a year or so. Now that I'm here all the time, we don't have OKCTalk meet-ups.

In some ways, I miss the old days when me coming to town was a big enough deal that people would make time to see me. Now, since there is no rush, it just doesn't happen that often. :)

We came to know each other through this site.

Similar to you and me.


It's funny, before I moved back there was an urgency about getting together as a group because I only came to town once a year or so. Now that I'm here all the time, we don't have OKCTalk meet-ups.

In some ways, I miss the old days when me coming to town was a big enough deal that people would make time to see me. Now, since there is no rush, it just doesn't happen that often. :)

well maybe that is something we need to remedy soon!

Fine, I'll take the hint and stop being so harsh to PhiAlpha. :p

well maybe that is something we need to remedy soon!

Agreed! I wasn’t able to make it to the ones a few years ago. Hopefully can do one again this year.

We came to know each other through this site.

Similar to you and me.


It's funny, before I moved back there was an urgency about getting together as a group because I only came to town once a year or so. Now that I'm here all the time, we don't have OKCTalk meet-ups.

In some ways, I miss the old days when me coming to town was a big enough deal that people would make time to see me. Now, since there is no rush, it just doesn't happen that often. :)


I think since I've been here, there has only been 1 meetup. The place it was at doesn't even exist anymore.