and my preference is still to demo Crossroads Mall and put it there. But I realize that's not an option and we're down to three choices.

i mean this would have been a perfect spot for a soccer stadium. no doubt about it, and a huge missed opportunity to use this location

I would absolutely love it if only a stadium was built with no additional parking. But you know darned well that the stadium folks will demand their own parking.
I could be wrong but that would no doubt ensure a lower attendance. You have to build parking but it needs to be done right. If placed in COOP no doubt it will be a giant surface lot.

Marina Auto Stadium, Rochester, NY

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Broke ground: July 9, 2004 - Opened - June 3, 2006, Owner: City of Rochester
Construction cost: $35 million Architect HOK Sport
Capacity: 13,768, Record attendance: 15,404 (July 20, 2011

Former home to the Rochester Rhinos, (November 2017), the team announced that they would not play in 2018 while additional funding was sought. In August 2018, it was announced that the club would pursue a new stadium location and attempt to join USL League One.



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Oklahoma City should use a blueprint similar to Rochester's stadium 12,500 - 14,000 seating capacity. A second upper level could be constructed putting us closer to the 18,000 to 20,000 seating capacity range. A venue this size (13,800) would allow OKC to competitively bid on numerous events.

A $35 million stadium (Marina Auto Stadium) built in 2006 would cost $45.5 million to build in U. S. dollars in 2022. [Formula: $100 in 2006, inflation in 2022 = $129.75]

If the City were Smart, it would track down the Wheeler Heirs, pay them to waive the alcohol covenants, cap the highway with parks / mixed use developments from S. Western to S. Robinson, and build the Stadium in Wheeler Park.

Would be a total game changer. Way better than the Coop.

If the City were Smart, it would track down the Wheeler Heirs, pay them to waive the alcohol covenants, cap the highway with parks / mixed use developments from S. Western to S. Robinson, and build the Stadium in Wheeler Park.

Would be a total game changer. Way better than the Coop.

I believe capping the freeway will be more expensive than the cost of the P Coop land. Why should we develop on top of the freeway while we still have about half of the city to fill? The P Coop site is the best option, build the stadium in the middle, then extend the canal into this area and build mixed-uses along these canals. Hire The Cordish Companies to take care of the job, this is exactly their specialty. Parking concern? Walking is good for your help and for the city economy.

Definitely should go to the Farmer's Market. Fears of it being too far from entertainment districts and other events are not really that big of a deal.

There are actually quite a few similarities between the Farmer's Market and Portland's soccer stadium.

Portland Providence Park:
Located on the west edge of downtown
1.5 miles to Moda Center (located next to Oregon Convention Center)
1.6 miles to Oregon Convention Center (located next to Moda Center)
1 mile to Pearl District, arguably the heart of bars and restaurants for downtown Portland
1 mile to CBD

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Obviously, Portland has some major differences such as insane densities that go along all of those routes - you don't have to go to the Pearl district to get a drink. Also not to mention the fantastic transit, with a stop at the stadium.

Bricktown, CBD, Convention Center, and Arena are all similar distances from the Farmer's market; however they are all colocated, more or less. Let's not discount the fact that Wheeler District is a walk across the Western Ave Bridge, Film Row (which has had some pretty good momentum recently) is just a few blocks away, the Plaza district is 1.5 miles away, and Midtown is an easy trip up Classen Blvd. Having an anchor centrally located to several options makes downtown just that much better, while also still retaining ease of access for those who do not wish to patronize downtown.

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Is there a sense on when the final site will be selected? Is it weeks, months, another year or two?

Is there a sense on when the final site will be selected? Is it weeks, months, another year or two?

Hard to say because the priority and schedule of the 16 projects have yet to be established.

Every single one of them is lobbying to go early rather than later but some will have to wait, as is always the case.

I would expect the fairgrounds arena to go to the front of the line given their level of influence. Also, beautification because it originated from the mayor himself.

I believe the mayor and the ADG consultants decide the scheduling, which is to say this is really down to the mayor.

Not sure our city is ready to leapfrog the Multipurpose Stadium ahead of some projects like The Peake/Practice Facility and State Fair Coliseum.

Will say that we have two parks very close together (Wheeler and Wiley Post); since the 30 acres left to complete Lower Scissortail Park is in that area, consideration should be given to building the stadium in Wiley Post or Wheeler Parks and not rule out an area closer to Skydance Bridge. OKC needs to start development moving south of I-40.

BTW: I know its not a good idea to use an existing park to build the multipurpose stadium; however there's more than enough land dedicated to completing Lower Scissortail Park. Wiley Post Park is currently closed with some kind of renovation taking place. The Mat Hoffman Action Park just east of WP is currently in operation.

Anxious to see where they decide to build the stadium. Our city has $140 million in MAPS 4 funds entirely dedicated to improving parks outside our central downtown core.

Hard to say because the priority and schedule of the 16 projects have yet to be established.

Every single one of them is lobbying to go early rather than later but some will have to wait, as is always the case.

I would expect the fairgrounds arena to go to the front of the line given their level of influence. Also, beautification because it originated from the mayor himself.

I believe the mayor and the ADG consultants decide the scheduling, which is to say this is really down to the mayor.

the council votes on the final schedule correct?

the council votes on the final schedule correct?

I don't believe so. I believe the mayor generally sets it and the MAPS Board approves.

As much as I am in favor of the stadium, I would be pissed if they take away a park and public sports facilities to place it there.

Nothing says “I don’t care about regular people” like taking their public park away and making it a pay-to-enter stadium.

Not sure our city is ready to leapfrog the Multipurpose Stadium ahead of some projects like The Peake/Practice Facility and State Fair Coliseum.

Why do THOSE get to leapfrog things like transit and sidewalks?

Why do THOSE get to leapfrog things like transit and sidewalks?

The Thunder has improved the quality-of-life image of our city and the State Fair Coliseum is vital to renewing the contacts we have with the events used in our aging State Fair Arena. The Peake is also available for concerts and other events.

Let's not forget why we lost the National Finals Rodeo; we didn't have a venue to keep up with the NFR's growth.

Since we're on the Multipurpose Stadium thread; we need to not only plan for its location; factor in future stadium expansion.

I remain unconvinced. For this maps in particular, with its social/neighborhood/people emphasis, the projects should be ranked by projects that have the most impact on the most people and descending from there.

We're getting plenty of image-of-our-city bumps from the park/CC area right now. Plus Thunder is rebuilding.

If fairgrounds wanted to raise some money to start their project earlier and then get reimbursed by maps once it was their turn, that would be a cool compromise.

How would you rank your top 5 projects Shawnw and why...

I don't believe so. I believe the mayor generally sets it and the MAPS Board approves.

council approved Maps 3 Implementation plan project order on July 5, 2011

this is a quote from a maps 3 presentation

" The
Implementation Plan guides
the process. This document,
recommended by the MAPS 3
Citizens Advisory Board and
adopted by the City Council,
outlines the scope of work, current
budget, and chronological order
of each project or project phase. "

Have OKC set up the advisory board for MAPS 4 16 projects...

City of Oklahoma City: https://www.okc.gov/government/maps-4/citizens-advisory-board

Above link answers my question.

council approved Maps 3 Implementation plan project order on July 5, 2011

this is a quote from a maps 3 presentation

" The
Implementation Plan guides
the process. This document,
recommended by the MAPS 3
Citizens Advisory Board and
adopted by the City Council,
outlines the scope of work, current
budget, and chronological order
of each project or project phase. "

Then there is one more step after the MAPS Board approves.

With the current council, that means there may actually be some input ahead of time vs. the traditional rubber stamp.

How would you rank your top 5 projects Shawnw and why...

I'm pretty sure I literally stated that in my post. Order them by the most impact on the most people. That's both how and why.

Why do THOSE get to leapfrog things like transit and sidewalks?

Golden Rule - them that has the $$$$ makes the rules.

I'm pretty sure I literally stated that in my post. Order them by the most impact on the most people. That's both how and why.

That statement alone is very subjective. A stadium impacts more people than a mental health facility does just based on number of job creation, sales tax revenue, community involvement, etc. More people in OKC can enjoy and utilize a stadium.

I'm pretty sure I literally stated that in my post. Order them by the most impact on the most people. That's both how and why.

It seems to me that "the most impact on the most people" is very subjective. I'm not trying to be argumentative, but I'm pretty sure every project on the list has their own criteria of why they have the most impact on the most people.

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Informal criteria applied throughout the various iterations of MAPS has placed a priority upon projects that will increase sales tax revenue. Because sequencing this way will increase the total sales tax received by the City, and in fact will also increase the total MAPS project dollars available (if a tax-generating facility opens before its respective MAPS tax period expires it actually generates additional MAPS tax back to benefit its sister projects).

It's simple math and good business practice, generally speaking. However there can defensibly be other factors that move another project up the priority list; timing of related ancillary and non-MAPS-funded projects for instance, or a particular critical need.

I keep hearing the Chickasaws are working hard to get the stadium to just west of the First Americans Museum.

And they almost always get what they want.

I keep hearing the Chickasaws are working hard to get the stadium to just west of the First Americans Museum.

And they almost always get what they want.

I feel like that’d be a good location. I also think the Chickasaws would do it right. Hopefully adding any sort of shade structures/overhangs.

I keep hearing the Chickasaws are working hard to get the stadium to just west of the First Americans Museum.

And they almost always get what they want.

Would that be on the west side or the east side of I-35? West would mean taking out that railyard so I assume probably east, but east means using land that in theory the Chickasaws might want for something else. Either option seems interesting, and not something I had been considering.

^

Between the museum and I-35, an area the Chickasaws have labeled as a future phase of OKANA.

I keep hearing the Chickasaws are working hard to get the stadium to just west of the First Americans Museum.

And they almost always get what they want.

that would solve the land acquisition cost issue

No, that ship has sailed. One big factor was that the Energy did a bunch of focus groups with their fans and found there wasn't a lot of support for that location.

The Energy will almost certainly stay at Taft until the new MAPS stadium is built and open, something that is going to take at least 5 years.

So all 500 of them? Kidding. I think most of the fans that went to the games probably live in that general vicinity so not surprising that they weren't in favor of it. I just think with the amount of stuff you can do before and after a match, paired with all the existing and brand new APTS getting built in CC, I think it would be way more attended than it is now.

Not surprising about Chickasaws trying to get it.

Seems strange the stadium wouldn't go east of shields there is nothing there and you have shields, OKC blvd, and 40 for access

The First Americans Museum location honestly seems more and more brilliant as I think about it and consider the benefits. Maybe there are fan attendance issues with that location, but it keeps it on the south-side but also close to the core so neither north or south-side fans should feel left out (or so I assume), it's near I-35 and I-40 for transportation efficiency for fans coming from further out, it puts it on the river which allows us to compound the benefit of past and current MAPS projects, and it fills in the gap between the city and the museum potentially faster than if we had to wait for a OKANA Phase II+.

Seems strange the stadium wouldn't go east of shields there is nothing there and you have shields, OKC blvd, and 40 for access

cost of that land is a major issue

It is like this spot was left on purpose for a stadium. Bricktown right to the north, Paycom Center/Omni/Scissortail Park right to the west and OKC blvd is already there and the streetcar


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Personally I'm not sure I can be convinced that the best location isn't the large empty lot near the Farmers Market bounded by Western, Exchange, 3rd, and I40.

- It's an easy walk from Scissortail and Film Row and thus has economic benefits for areas the city's already significantly invested in.
- You've got a built-in district that's already growing but could use a boost.
- There are already bars, restaurants, and retail in the area.
- It's easily accessible from every direction, including the south side and the interstate.
- There's tons of great building stock nearby to renovate.
- It's got more potential to draw young local fans who spend time downtown but don't currently watch soccer.

Putting it near OKANA plays well with the Chickasaws business interests but it's not walkable from the core, it's near nothing but OKANA, and would almost exclusively benefit one group (the Chickasaws).

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That Farmer's Market land is still an empty field.

The owners did demolition then filed planning documents for a multi-family development.

I'm sure they are hoping they can strike a deal with the city but the Chickasaws are already working this very hard, and the stadium committee hasn't even met yet.

As a supporter of the Energy, I was definitely one to nix the CC or far south side(Crossroads) locations primarily for the fact that if are future desire is for MLS, then a central, downtown location looks better in the eyes of the MLS, who want more than anything for their teams to plays as close to city centers as possible. Also, I think the lot that Grant brings up seems to be a great idea, the number of breweries in the vicinity is a great starting point and the infrastructure is bounds better that the FAM sight. However, after seeing what the Chickasaws have done to the Bricktown Ballpark, I definitely would welcome their support of the team in ways of stadium ownership/caretaking so that we have a great facility. Everyone likes the old CO-OP site as far as location, infrastructure, and all of the close by amenities, but the land cost alone would make for a serious headache and might jeopardize what sort of stadium gets built.

, after seeing what the Chickasaws have done to the Bricktown Ballpark,

what have they done at bricktown ballpark??

It might not be a good look, but the city could look into acquiring the plots just west of the lower portion of Scissortail and place the stadium along the river and the park to jumpstart a lower scissortail entertainment/lifestyle hub.

what have they done at bricktown ballpark??

I assume they helped with the turf replacement and getting the new scoreboards installed. Surely the Dodgers don't pay for that. Also the lighting upgrades are great.

Personally I'm not sure I can be convinced that the best location isn't the large empty lot near the Farmers Market bounded by Western, Exchange, 3rd, and I40.

- It's an easy walk from Scissortail and Film Row and thus has economic benefits for areas the city's already significantly invested in.
- You've got a built-in district that's already growing but could use a boost.
- There are already bars, restaurants, and retail in the area.
- It's easily accessible from every direction, including the south side and the interstate.
- There's tons of great building stock nearby to renovate.
- It's got more potential to draw young local fans who spend time downtown but don't currently watch soccer.

Putting it near OKANA plays well with the Chickasaws business interests but it's not walkable from the core, it's near nothing but OKANA, and would almost exclusively benefit one group (the Chickasaws).

I could see this spot for the stadium as well, to bad that entire area is split by OKC blvd, I'm referring to the above road areas that you have to walk under on western and blackwelder


You are talking about the area I highlighted right?

17554

I assume they helped with the turf replacement and getting the new scoreboards installed. Surely the Dodgers don't pay for that. Also the lighting upgrades are great.

Bricktown Ballpark is owned by the city and taxpayers paid for all of that as well as the seat replacement and the other continuous improvements.

It's just like Paycom Arena. The Thunder and Paycom don't pay, it's all tax money.

I think the Farmer's Market area is 15-20 years out from the infill needed to make it a really walkable and easily shared space.

Bricktown Ballpark is owned by the city and taxpayers paid for all of that as well as the seat replacement and the other continuous improvements.

It's just like Paycom Arena. The Thunder and Paycom don't pay, it's all tax money.

Ah, I knew this... It's still Monday right?!?

I think the Farmer's Market area is 15-20 years out from the infill needed to make it a really walkable and easily shared space.

So now is the perfect time to place a stadium!

Especially since it may be close to 10 years before the stadium is open for business.

However, I suspect a back-room deal is being forged with the Chickasaws which will result in this project being moved way up.

Yes, that's the area I'm referring to.

Regarding the idea that the Farmers Market area is 15-20 years away from walkability/community, I strongly disagree. With a huge stadium development and the associated large influx of people (and their spending money), all you'd really need is a little bit of streetscaping to clean it up.

You've already got the Farmers Market itself, Palo Santo, Powerhouse, Loaded Bowl, a yoga place, a plant shop, a couple small retail outlets, Urban Agrarian, Bad Axe Throwing, Anthem, Lively, two Strawberry Fields projects, that weird outdoor weed place, and a new gas station within 2 blocks of this place. It's ready made for a big investment like the stadium. You'd basically have a full, lively, soccer fan neighborhood pop up overnight with the stadium and a little streetscaping. Both of which would spur more investment in the huge old building stock nearby. It's a knockout just waiting to happen.

the weed place has been gone

I assume they helped with the turf replacement and getting the new scoreboards installed. Surely the Dodgers don't pay for that. Also the lighting upgrades are great.


Bricktown Ballpark is owned by the city and taxpayers paid for all of that as well as the seat replacement and the other continuous improvements.

It's just like Paycom Arena. The Thunder and Paycom don't pay, it's all tax money.

yep ...

the tribe has the naming rights .. and other then that they have nothing to do with the upkeep or operation of the ballpark ..

The land grab for the mill i think screwed this over. Unless the builder of the stadium, also owns the land. They're going to hold on to that mill land until they can get a premium rate for whatever goes in. I doubt the city will condemn land to take it for a public stadium. It's unfortunate because there have been some freaking awesome ideas that have come across for that site.

I would think city leaders would want a new arena to be closer into downtown as to be close to the new Omni and convention center and within walking distance to the other hotels that are currently there and being built.

I moved a bunch of posts from the Taft Stadium thread to this one, since the discussion was primarily about the new multi-purpose stadium.

I doubt the city will condemn land to take it for a public stadium. It's unfortunate because there have been some freaking awesome ideas that have come across for that site.

they still would have to pay market rate if they did this .. .. and if it went full ED the city would be required to spend whatever the judge said the price was at the end ..

https://fox59.com/indiana-news/eleven-park-renderings-released-what-the-future-home-of-indy-eleven-apartments-retail-space-will-look-like/amp/
New stadium for USL Indy Eleven. Wish OKC could have dreamed this big for our new stadium. Awesome for Indianapolis!

https://fox59.com/indiana-news/eleven-park-renderings-released-what-the-future-home-of-indy-eleven-apartments-retail-space-will-look-like/amp/
New stadium for USL Indy Eleven. Wish OKC could have dreamed this big for our new stadium. Awesome for Indianapolis!

The cotton mill area would have been perfect for this. Just too bad that area needs major, major soil remediation.

That stadium looks awesome! I’d love to see something like that here.

Notice how the Indy stadium isn't surrounded by parking lots. We were in Cincinnati last month and their MLS stadium is pretty nice as well.

I am interested to see if soccer gets a popularity boost from the world cup in 2026 being in North America. If soccer becomes more popular in the states it could be financially viable for further MLS expansion. Whatever stadium we get out of this MAPS program needs to be built in a manner that can be expanded to an MLS spec. In the current circumstances we have almost no shot at an MLS team, but the World Cup could be the x factor that makes for fresh opportunities.

Also congrats to Indianapolis for having a soccer team that isn’t defunct.