gopokes88
10-30-2019, 12:06 PM
SW extended their schedule today, notice any changes catch?
View Full Version : 2019 Oklahoma City Aviation Thread gopokes88 10-30-2019, 12:06 PM SW extended their schedule today, notice any changes catch? catch22 10-30-2019, 01:55 PM SW extended their schedule today, notice any changes catch? Certainly no new routes, but I haven’t looked at the actual schedule to see if any frequencies changed. Plutonic Panda 10-30-2019, 06:19 PM Beginning tomorrow (10/29) LAX arriving passengers wanting a taxi or rideshare vehicle will have to meet them at a pickup lot. This is intended to reduce congestion at the nation's second busiest airport. Passengers leaving LAX may still be dropped at the terminal by a taxi or rideshare vehicle. Is OKC doing OK in terms of congestion that may require a similar arrangement - a centralized pickup point? https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-10-28/uber-lyft-ban-lax-airport-pickup-terminal It’s been a complete sh!t show and complaints all across the board though you wouldn’t know according to LAX’s twitter. I suspect it gets reversed soon but then again when did CA gvmt ever give a sh!t. Once the APM is up and running along with the Crenshaw ext it should help a ton but that isn’t until 2022 along with new CONRAC. OkiePoke 10-31-2019, 09:05 AM Heard a crazy rumor the other day regarding WN. This is highly doubtful, but just checking to see if there is any validity. Someone mentioned they are going to have a direct flight from OKC to Hawaii. Only reason I see any validity in this is the congestion at Love Field in Dallas. Any chance of this actually occurring? catch22 10-31-2019, 09:10 AM Heard a crazy rumor the other day regarding WN. This is highly doubtful, but just checking to see if there is any validity. Someone mentioned they are going to have a direct flight from OKC to Hawaii. Only reason I see any validity in this is the congestion at Love Field in Dallas. Any chance of this actually occurring? 0% PaddyShack 10-31-2019, 11:38 AM Heard a crazy rumor the other day regarding WN. This is highly doubtful, but just checking to see if there is any validity. Someone mentioned they are going to have a direct flight from OKC to Hawaii. Only reason I see any validity in this is the congestion at Love Field in Dallas. Any chance of this actually occurring? That seems to be a long trip for a 737... BG918 10-31-2019, 12:20 PM 0% Does the 737 even have the range to do Dallas/Denver-Hawaii? I didn't think it did that is why you are only seeing OAK, SJC, SMF and soon SAN as West Coast Hawaii gateways for Southwest. gopokes88 10-31-2019, 12:44 PM Does the 737 even have the range to do Dallas/Denver-Hawaii? I didn't think it did that is why you are only seeing OAK, SJC, SMF and soon SAN as West Coast Hawaii gateways for Southwest. The max might? That’s just way way way too long to be on a SW flight. 2.5 hours is about all I can tolerate OkiePoke 10-31-2019, 01:02 PM It would probably have to be a Max. Still, Dallas is near the edge of their range. catch22 10-31-2019, 02:17 PM The Max 7 and 8 can do Hawai’i from Dallas and Denver but it’s stretching it. I’m sure they’ll attempt it from Denver but United owns Hawaii from Denver with year round daily 777 service to HNL and OGG (Maui), and 757’s to KOA (Kona) and LIH (Lihue). That’s about 2,400 seats round trip a day to the islands. If they try DAL they’ll experience similar competition from AA. gopokes88 10-31-2019, 02:34 PM The Max 7 and 8 can do Hawai’i from Dallas and Denver but it’s stretching it. I’m sure they’ll attempt it from Denver but United owns Hawaii from Denver with year round daily 777 service to HNL and OGG (Maui), and 757’s to KOA (Kona) and LIH (Lihue). That’s about 2,400 seats round trip a day to the islands. If they try DAL they’ll experience similar competition from AA. Does the FAA have regs on how far you can stretch a plane? Like you can only fly a route that's 80% of maximum range? catch22 10-31-2019, 02:41 PM Does the FAA have regs on how far you can stretch a plane? Like you can only fly a route that's 80% of maximum range? No. As long as you have the fuel for a legal flight plan (including contingency and reserve fuel for diversions). Overwater flights have increased fuel load requirements because you need to be able to comply with ETOPS requirements. (Extended twin engine operations) better known lightheartedly as “engines turn or passengers swim” AP 10-31-2019, 04:06 PM edit:removed no1cub17 11-01-2019, 09:46 PM Heard a crazy rumor the other day regarding WN. This is highly doubtful, but just checking to see if there is any validity. Someone mentioned they are going to have a direct flight from OKC to Hawaii. Only reason I see any validity in this is the congestion at Love Field in Dallas. Any chance of this actually occurring? Haha that is a good one. Especially since WN doesn't even have an airplane capable of flying OKC-Hawaii nonstop. Until that pesky MAX gets re-certified anyway. Crazy to me that the FAA hasn't cleared it to return to service in the US! I thought American pilots were perfect and superior to Indonesians and would never crash the MAX. So what's the FAA waiting for? catch22 11-03-2019, 10:07 AM Effective April forward OKC-IAD (UA) will increase to twice daily. Second frequency will depart at 12:45 pm, showing a CRJ-700. Effective April seasonal suspension OKC-EWR (UA) will continue another month into the first of May. Last year the suspension ended in April. whatitis 11-03-2019, 12:55 PM Effective April forward OKC-IAD (UA) will increase to twice daily. Second frequency will depart at 12:45 pm, showing a CRJ-700. Effective April seasonal suspension OKC-EWR (UA) will continue another month into the first of May. Last year the suspension ended in April. The silver line to iad has been worked on for like 10 years and is being tested. Ive avoided Dulles for any flight into dc simply to avoid all of that mess. BG918 11-03-2019, 02:55 PM Effective April forward OKC-IAD (UA) will increase to twice daily. Second frequency will depart at 12:45 pm, showing a CRJ-700. Effective April seasonal suspension OKC-EWR (UA) will continue another month into the first of May. Last year the suspension ended in April. Pretty decent capacity to the Capital! 2x IAD (UA), 1x DCA (WN), 1x DCA (AA) & 1x BWI (WN): 5 flights a day starting April. I was on the OKC-IAD flight a year ago and it was completely full. Interesting that TUL currently has no non-stops to DC. Really surprised to see UA not restart TUL-IAD, maybe they will in the spring. I could also see WN TUL-BWI added, I know Southwest is planning to increase service from Baltimore. LakeEffect 11-04-2019, 10:22 AM Pretty decent capacity to the Capital! 2x IAD (UA), 1x DCA (WN), 1x DCA (AA) & 1x BWI (WN): 5 flights a day starting April. I was on the OKC-IAD flight a year ago and it was completely full. Interesting that TUL currently has no non-stops to DC. Really surprised to see UA not restart TUL-IAD, maybe they will in the spring. I could also see WN TUL-BWI added, I know Southwest is planning to increase service from Baltimore. OKC does have a massive federal employment base, while Tulsa has little (comparatively). That has to add to some of the reason to have good direct service. We have the FAA with over 7500 direct employees and thousands of trainees per year, Tinker, the Federal Transfer Center, and then easy driving access to Ft Sill and Vance (plus Altus a bit further out); not to mention all of the other smaller Federal agencies w/ employees here, and then the numerous companies in OKC that do business as Federal contractors. BG918 11-04-2019, 12:18 PM OKC does have a massive federal employment base, while Tulsa has little (comparatively). That has to add to some of the reason to have good direct service. We have the FAA with over 7500 direct employees and thousands of trainees per year, Tinker, the Federal Transfer Center, and then easy driving access to Ft Sill and Vance (plus Altus a bit further out); not to mention all of the other smaller Federal agencies w/ employees here, and then the numerous companies in OKC that do business as Federal contractors. OKC absolutely should have decent connections to DC, just like all large state capitals. You can add the USPS Training Center in Norman to that list as well. Just odd that currently Tulsa with a 1M+ metro and even larger catchment area has zero service to DC (or NYC). bige4ou 11-04-2019, 06:25 PM Anybody know how far OKC would be from getting an OKC to London flight? Really feel like it would be busy and would open the door to the rest of world. Not to mention it would make Europe more affordable. jonny d 11-04-2019, 06:32 PM Anybody know how far OKC would be from getting an OKC to London flight? Really feel like it would be busy and would open the door to the rest of world. Not to mention it would make Europe more affordable. Maybe a weekly trip. Anything more would fail without massive incentives. gopokes88 11-04-2019, 06:43 PM 10 years at the earliest HangryHippo 11-04-2019, 07:25 PM Catch - curious about your thoughts on the eventuality of an OKC - London flight? If an airline was somehow convinced to try it (however unlikely), do you think the traffic is there to make it successful? catch22 11-04-2019, 08:08 PM ^ lets get year round non stop service to the largest metro in the US before we talk about OKC-London. HangryHippo 11-04-2019, 08:26 PM ^ lets get year round non stop service to the largest metro in the US before we talk about OKC-London. Touché. lol amocore 11-06-2019, 09:26 AM It would be great but a direct to London (or Paris) feels like a far dream. Thee two good signs are the fact Indianapolis has a direct to Paris without being a Delta Hub and having just over 9 millions passengers and the new A 321 XLR will be perfect for smaller market wanting long haul flights. damonsmuz 11-06-2019, 09:37 AM Indy and OKC are way different passenger number wise. Indy is pushing over 9 million passengers while OKC has only 4 million. I would need to see 1 or 2 day a week service to Cancun before we went Europe. pkirk 11-07-2019, 12:57 PM London would be amazing. Given our Vietnamese population, would a OKC to Saigon or Hanoi weekly flight ever be on the table? The obvious international flights to start when the new terminal opens would be Mexico City, Cancun, maybe even Guatemala City. OKCRT 11-07-2019, 04:15 PM Indy and OKC are way different passenger number wise. Indy is pushing over 9 million passengers while OKC has only 4 million. I would need to see 1 or 2 day a week service to Cancun before we went Europe. I'll admit I know jack about airport passenger rates and such but why do smaller cities than OKC have so many more flights? I suspect it's our Dallas curse but don't really know. BTW I am not talking so much about Indy since they are a larger city but over twice as many flights? jonny d 11-07-2019, 04:25 PM I'll admit I know jack about airport passenger rates and such but why do smaller cities than OKC have so many more flights? I suspect it's our Dallas curse but don't really know. BTW I am not talking so much about Indy since they are a larger city but over twice as many flights? Well, it is also the Tulsa curse. Not many peer cities have a Tulsa 1.5 hours away (Omaha has no other major cities anywhere near it in Nebraska, for example). Tulsa has 3 million passengers. If those were solely dependent on an OKC flight, then the passenger #s would look far more favorable for OKC. no1cub17 11-07-2019, 09:12 PM London would be amazing. Given our Vietnamese population, would a OKC to Saigon or Hanoi weekly flight ever be on the table? The obvious international flights to start when the new terminal opens would be Mexico City, Cancun, maybe even Guatemala City. Are you serious? OKC to Vietnam nonstop! Wow. I mean sure, LAX doesn't even have nonstops to SGN but why not OKC! catch22 11-07-2019, 10:17 PM Lets get year round non stop service to new york before we consider london and saigon. T. Jamison 11-08-2019, 10:12 AM Well, it is also the Tulsa curse. Not many peer cities have a Tulsa 1.5 hours away (Omaha has no other major cities anywhere near it in Nebraska, for example). Tulsa has 3 million passengers. If those were solely dependent on an OKC flight, then the passenger #s would look far more favorable for OKC. It probably hurts both airports. Several of my Tulsa friends drive down and fly out of WRWA regularly. pkirk 11-08-2019, 02:20 PM Are you serious? OKC to Vietnam nonstop! Wow. I mean sure, LAX doesn't even have nonstops to SGN but why not OKC! Sorry I asked a speculative question on the internet... catch22 11-10-2019, 04:04 PM Effective March AA upgauges OKC-LAX to mainline, the morning flight will remain an E175 with the afternoon departure becoming an A319. Effective April UA increases OKC-DEN to 6 daily. This was ran 6 daily for the summer season this year (2019), so this is an earlier start. HangryHippo 11-10-2019, 04:24 PM Effective March AA upgauges OKC-LAX to mainline, the morning flight will remain an E175 with the afternoon departure becoming an A319. Effective April UA increases OKC-DEN to 6 daily. This was ran 6 daily for the summer season this year (2019), so this is an earlier start. Nice. Catch - is there any chance of United making OKC-EWR year round? Or is the demand not there? catch22 11-10-2019, 04:29 PM Nice. Catch - is there any chance of United making OKC-EWR year round? Or is the demand not there? I'm not sure why we stopped operating it year round. At Continental we ran it year round and twice daily in some instances. I know we trim EWR back in the winter a tad on reduced transatlantic demand as well as to run a thinner schedule into deicing season. Could be related. HOT ROD 11-10-2019, 09:50 PM awesome news on the additional flight to IAD on UA and the up-gauging of one of the LAX flights on AA. SEA up-gauging to mainline on Alaska announced recently, ORD as well on UA. OKC-MIA, NAS starting very soon... I want to see at least one mainline to every city served from OKC in addition to the this-or-that regionals for frequency purposes. I'd like to see OKC work on the NYC market at LGD and JFK, perhaps they will work better than EWR. I'd also like to BOS and beefing up at SFO (united) as the next targets. OKC is maturing as a market and looks like we're shooting for 5M or more pax for 2020! catch22 11-10-2019, 10:24 PM Not sure that 5M is in the cards, 4.5 million would be the upper end of what we could realistically probably see next year. That would be a 10% growth which is hard to get to, especially with signs of a slowing economy and energy traffic being affected by the shaky local energy sector. There will be roughly 5 million seats for sale* next year in and out of OKC, and at 85% load factor that's 4.4 million. *The full year is not for sale, and many markets will have adjustments. I am taking a few assumptions of past service levels to arrive at 5 million. BG918 11-10-2019, 10:40 PM NAS starting very soon... NAS as in Nassau, Bahamas? Did I miss this announcement? HangryHippo 11-11-2019, 06:40 AM I think he meant Nashville going daily soon... no1cub17 11-11-2019, 09:46 PM Effective March AA upgauges OKC-LAX to mainline, the morning flight will remain an E175 with the afternoon departure becoming an A319. Effective April UA increases OKC-DEN to 6 daily. This was ran 6 daily for the summer season this year (2019), so this is an earlier start. Ugh. While that's a nice upgauge in theory, the passenger experience on AA's 319 is atrocious compared to the E75. Plus only 8 F seats so upgrades will actually be harder than on the E75. It's great that LAX is doing this well for AA, but I'd rather have a 3 daily E75 flights than this. no1cub17 11-11-2019, 09:51 PM Lets get year round non stop service to new york before we consider london and saigon. Seriously. We don't even have nonstops to Miami (yet). Not sure how London or Vietnam will ever be realistic. HangryHippo 11-11-2019, 10:17 PM Seriously. We don't even have nonstops to Miami (yet). Not sure how London or Vietnam will ever be realistic. Doesn’t AA start Miami this month? brianinok 11-12-2019, 08:13 AM Effective March AA upgauges OKC-LAX to mainline, the morning flight will remain an E175 with the afternoon departure becoming an A319. Effective April UA increases OKC-DEN to 6 daily. This was ran 6 daily for the summer season this year (2019), so this is an earlier start.catch, curious about your thoughts on AA thinking here. Or really anyone who might have insight into AA's thinking. Hasn't AA briefly had mainline to CLT and PHX at times in the last year or so? But right now the only mainline they have is DFW. I'm not complaining, as most AA RJs are a great or good experience since we have a number of E175s and CRJ7s. But I guess I'm surprised they are starting mainline to LAX rather than returning it to CLT or PHX. Of course, AA has so many flights a day right now, and so few gates, at some point the only answer as they keep growing in OKC is to increase the plane size rather than frequency. I don't know if they're getting to that point or not. I also wonder if this is a mainline addition that could get pulled as its dependent upon the reintroduction of the 737-MAX elsewhere in the network? catch22 11-12-2019, 10:01 AM I think it is in response to WN's addition of a 3rd frequency to PHX (as a result of the pulling out of OKC-DAL) market. This gives them more capacity to the west coast without over-saturating the smaller PHX market. You are right, it is hard to tell what capacity additions will stick at AA. One thing that is slightly different in this case is that they built this into the "base" schedule. If you look at Oct 8, which is the furthest ahead you can book on AA this change remains in place. Usually when they are testing something out, they will only load it for the active schedule window which is typically 2-3 months out + a 3 month booking window (i.e. effective in Feb and for sale until May). When we had mainline to PHX, they loaded it from January to June and I believe it went away after that. gopokes88 11-12-2019, 04:28 PM Should get October numbers any day now, curious how it turned out. brianinok 11-12-2019, 04:39 PM I think it is in response to WN's addition of a 3rd frequency to PHX (as a result of the pulling out of OKC-DAL) market. This gives them more capacity to the west coast without over-saturating the smaller PHX market. You are right, it is hard to tell what capacity additions will stick at AA. One thing that is slightly different in this case is that they built this into the "base" schedule. If you look at Oct 8, which is the furthest ahead you can book on AA this change remains in place. Usually when they are testing something out, they will only load it for the active schedule window which is typically 2-3 months out + a 3 month booking window (i.e. effective in Feb and for sale until May). When we had mainline to PHX, they loaded it from January to June and I believe it went away after that.Interesting. I can see that. I guess they don't want to oversaturate PHX. Also, I guess they've added eastbound frequencies in the last year (DCA, MIA) so CLT is less ideal. s00nr1 11-14-2019, 08:28 PM FYI for any other United elites: https://exclusives.mileageplus.com/Listing/Details/6577331 catch22 11-17-2019, 08:40 AM Effective February 9 Southwest reduces OKC-BWI to Sunday only service. February only. no1cub17 11-17-2019, 11:55 AM FYI for any other United elites: https://exclusives.mileageplus.com/Listing/Details/6577331 That's cool. Very interested to see how that configuration does especially out of markets like OKC. If anyone can share pictures that would be great! s00nr1 11-17-2019, 05:56 PM That's cool. Very interested to see how that configuration does especially out of markets like OKC. If anyone can share pictures that would be great! I'll make sure to take a few for everyone. gopokes88 11-21-2019, 11:19 AM I guess nobody flew in October, reports are late this month lol catch22 11-21-2019, 11:33 AM I guess nobody flew in October, reports are late this month lol Haha! We are lucky that we typically get them 10-15 days after the close of the month. Many airports don't release data until 45-60 days out. gopokes88 11-21-2019, 12:48 PM Haha! We are lucky that we typically get them 10-15 days after the close of the month. Many airports don't release data until 45-60 days out. Oh yeah they’re awesome. I’m not complaining in the slightest. PaddyShack 11-21-2019, 03:08 PM I guess nobody flew in October, reports are late this month lol Put me down for October. My wife and I flew out on Delta to Barcelona via ATL. HOT ROD 11-22-2019, 12:25 AM so you gave OKC and Barcelona 4 passenger counts and ATL 8. amocore 11-23-2019, 11:46 AM so you gave OKC and Barcelona 4 passenger counts and ATL 8. Good point. I am wondering if we have the real numbers of passengers going through the airport doors instead of an overall numbers with the connecting passengers. It will be interesting to have a ratio. Obviously, I think the 4 millions + passengers of OKC are going through the airport doors. HangryHippo 11-25-2019, 02:57 PM October's numbers are out and American continues to see growth. Alaska with some growth as well.https://flyokc.com/sites/default/files/News/October2019Enplanement.pdf gopokes88 11-25-2019, 03:14 PM When Alaska goes to the bigger planes we’ll see a nice growth pickup there as well |