I blame the Space Age, but I find the constant use of codes and abbreviations to be the most masculine form of elitism. So I will ask again if someone can explain what those abbreviations in the last couple five posts represent in English?

No offense, but this is just lazy. A 2 second google search would have yielded the answers you sought. Instead you made someone else do the work for you and had to wait 6 hours for those same answers. It’s not masculine nor elitism. It’s simply using common convention to discuss airports.

No offense, but this is just lazy. A 2 second google search would have yielded the answers you sought. Instead you made someone else do the work for you and had to wait 6 hours for those same answers. It’s not masculine nor elitism. It’s simply using common convention to discuss airports.

This has nothing to do with laziness. I believe open forums, such as this one, provide the best service to the most people when the communication is easily understood at a quick glance. A good friend who is active in the Oklahoma Pilots Association frequently mentions the lack of female participation and difficulty in effective outreach. Air travel discussion is very male influenced and directed, and those groups like to use technical terms in discussion. But, that can easily become exclusionary when codes and abbreviations are heavily used and the readers comprehension is diverted to understanding the codes, rather than the original intent of the comment.

Lol

This has nothing to do with laziness. I believe open forums, such as this one, provide the best service to the most people when the communication is easily understood at a quick glance. A good friend who is active in the Oklahoma Pilots Association frequently mentions the lack of female participation and difficulty in effective outreach. Air travel discussion is very male influenced and directed, and those groups like to use technical terms in discussion. But, that can easily become exclusionary when codes and abbreviations are heavily used and the readers comprehension is diverted to understanding the codes, rather than the original intent of the comment.

Argot is a common language that people that are collectively interested in something use. You are basically saying that a woman will not be able to understand it and it is gatekeeping. This is patently ridiculous, if you have traveled in an airport you would be exposed to these abbreviations over and over again. The abbreviations are not what you are making them out to be, and you are being lazy by not just googling it.

This has nothing to do with laziness. I believe open forums, such as this one, provide the best service to the most people when the communication is easily understood at a quick glance. A good friend who is active in the Oklahoma Pilots Association frequently mentions the lack of female participation and difficulty in effective outreach. Air travel discussion is very male influenced and directed, and those groups like to use technical terms in discussion. But, that can easily become exclusionary when codes and abbreviations are heavily used and the readers comprehension is diverted to understanding the codes, rather than the original intent of the comment.

This might be the strangest thing I’ve ever seen someone be offended by in my 8 years on OKCtalk. Quit trying to create some kind of sexism or elitism outrage over nothing and use google instead...it’s one click away on your phone or computer. I didn’t understand what the codes meant when I first started reading this thread but because everyone here uses them it forced me to figure out what they meant...now I know all the airline and airport codes.

As someone who works for the FAA, I don't even know all the codes and have to do the Google search sometimes ��

This might be the strangest thing I’ve ever seen someone be offended by in my 8 years on OKCtalk. Quit trying to create some kind of sexism or elitism outrage over nothing and use google instead...it’s one click away on your phone or computer. I didn’t understand what the codes meant when I first started reading this thread but because everyone here uses them it forced me to figure out what they meant...now I know all the airline and airport codes.
Yay learning instead of bitching

Nevermind, this is the internet. STOP DOING BUSINESS THAT WAY CAUSE I DONT UNDERSTAND

The vast majority of the codes make sense. i.e. OKC = Oklahoma City; JFK = New York - John F. Kennedy Airport; AA = American Airlines. The ones that don't make sense, or only make a little sense, once you google them, if you read why they have that code it might help you remember them. i.e. IAH - "International Airport Houston" Houston Bush; MSY - "Moisant Stock Yards" New Orleans; ORD "ORcharD place" Chicago O'Hare. Sometimes knowing the history of a code helps you remember it.

This might be the strangest thing I’ve ever seen someone be offended by in my 8 years on OKCtalk. Quit trying to create some kind of sexism or elitism outrage over nothing and use google instead...it’s one click away on your phone or computer. I didn’t understand what the codes meant when I first started reading this thread but because everyone here uses them it forced me to figure out what they meant...now I know all the airline and airport codes.

Agree. Where does it end? If this was a thread about baseball, there would potentially be many acronyms used such as ERA, RBI, or OPS. Is that also male elitism?

As someone who works for the FAA, I don't even know all the codes and have to do the Google search sometimes ��

Really? I feel like the codes used here are quite common in aviation. It's not like people here are frequently referring to exotic airports.

Really? I feel like the codes used here are quite common in aviation. It's not like people here are frequently referring to exotic airports.

My area uses a numeric internal code these days, so yeah, I don't see the codes like I used to. Obviously the big ones I don't forget, the others joggle the memory sometimes.

Via Air is done. Not just with Oklahoma. But, forever. 15303

Catch will likely know more and be better informed that being said

https://thepointsguy.com/news/delta-air-lines-says-boston-is-now-one-of-its-hub-cities/?utm_campaign=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_term=Editorial&utm_content=68322B80-8643-11E9-9366-E8F6FCA12A29&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR0ztBHzSUWP_nZ890AEU8QSWyQdIba1UQ6RVjDkt Vw5j_PG9C_iSrjYoPY

Boston is now a hub for delta, and with them leasing the new gates, maybe?

Via Air is done. Not just with Oklahoma. But, forever. 15303

I think the best bet for service to Austin is either Southwest (not enough current demand to fill a 737) or more likely Delta with a smaller plane as they build up a focus city there over the next few years.

Catch will likely know more and be better informed that being said

https://thepointsguy.com/news/delta-air-lines-says-boston-is-now-one-of-its-hub-cities/?utm_campaign=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_term=Editorial&utm_content=68322B80-8643-11E9-9366-E8F6FCA12A29&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR0ztBHzSUWP_nZ890AEU8QSWyQdIba1UQ6RVjDkt Vw5j_PG9C_iSrjYoPY

Boston is now a hub for delta, and with them leasing the new gates, maybe?

I would guess it will be similar to LAX (which is the only airport that is a hub for 4 legacy carriers). LAX doesn't have a crap-ton of US flights, but is a hub for Asian flights. Boston may be a hub for European and African flights.

Or I could be completely wrong! Lol. Have been wrong before, will be again.

https://www.koco.com/article/absolutely-amazing-airline-brings-in-empty-plane-to-fly-students-stranded-in-okc-airport/27820966

Wow - anyone have more inside info on this? Guessing the group didn't want to split up etc etc which would've made interlining to other airlines difficult as well. Heck of a PR move by Delta though. Guessing next time anyone in that group wants to fly, they'll look to DL first!

Has anybody seen a Delta A220 in OKC yet ?
I do not know if they are scheduled to go to OKC sometimes or not.
I am curious. We do not see much new planes around here.

Has anybody seen a Delta A220 in OKC yet ?
I do not know if they are scheduled to go to OKC sometimes or not.
I am curious. We do not see much new planes around here.
I haven't, but would love to. I thought they were mainly deploying them in Delta's bigger business markets first. I've seen them at DFW.

I haven't, but would love to. I thought they were mainly deploying them in Delta's bigger business markets first. I've seen them at DFW.

https://pointmetotheplane.boardingarea.com/delta-a220-routes-expansion/#The_Full_Delta_A220_Routes_List

Lots of Texas use...

https://pointmetotheplane.boardingarea.com/delta-a220-routes-expansion/#The_Full_Delta_A220_Routes_List

Lots of Texas use...

It has been used between bigger cities than I thought.
Delta is expecting 76 more of these so we still have a good chance to see it as they continue to retire the old MD.

https://flyokc.com/sites/default/files/News/May2019Enplanement.pdf

American with continued massive growth in May.

https://flyokc.com/sites/default/files/News/May2019Enplanement.pdf

American with continued massive growth in May.

The thing I like is, this is sustainable growth for OKC.

Love it. You sorta wonder if American circled OKC on a map and said we’re going to get to #1 in this market.

for someone who looks at price out of OKC a lot, no surprise there :
https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/flights/2019/06/25/cheap-international-flights-best-us-airports-to-fly-from-ranked/1524580001/

for someone who looks at price out of OKC a lot, no surprise there :
https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/flights/2019/06/25/cheap-international-flights-best-us-airports-to-fly-from-ranked/1524580001/

Yep.

On top of that, the other airport I always want to fly into (GRR) is even costlier, international or domestic. Makes OKC-GRR trips nearly impossible for my family of 5.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/american-airlines-announces-its-final-md-80-flights/

That article about OKC and international flights is kinda silly to me. Of course your mega airports will have cheaper prices for international flights. You can't compare NYC to OKC or whatever.

That article about OKC and international flights is kinda silly to me. Of course your mega airports will have cheaper prices for international flights. You can't compare NYC to OKC or whatever.
If you look up a dfw to London flight,

Then a okc-London flight through dfw.

The okc one is just a tiny bit more usually. So of course it’s more “expensive” but just marginally so

If you look up a dfw to London flight,

Then a okc-London flight through dfw.

The okc one is just a tiny bit more usually. So of course it’s more “expensive” but just marginally so

I looked up a OKC to DFW and then DFW to London. There was about a 350 dollars in round-trip tickets. So I guess its not a whole lot more in the overall cost of the tickets and for convience, but the increase in price is fairly significant.

I agree the survey is a no-brainer that OKC would be higher when you can count the number of direct international flights on 1, maybe 2 hands?

I looked up a OKC to DFW and then DFW to London. There was about a 350 dollars in round-trip tickets. So I guess its not a whole lot more in the overall cost of the tickets and for convience, but the increase in price is fairly significant.

I agree the survey is a no-brainer that OKC would be higher when you can count the number of direct international flights on 1, maybe 2 hands?

What about from Tulsa, not OKC?

Maybe once or twice a year there are some flash sales where airfare from OKC to Europe is cheap for non-summer flights. A couple of years ago I got round trip from OKC to Paris for $460.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/american-airlines-announces-its-final-md-80-flights/I wonder if this means that American is confident that the MAX will be back in service on this date?

I wonder if this means that American is confident that the MAX will be back in service on this date?

Smart point !

anyway, i am glad to see these old and loud guzzlers go away. If Delta do the same it will be great !

Maybe once or twice a year there are some flash sales where airfare from OKC to Europe is cheap for non-summer flights. A couple of years ago I got round trip from OKC to Paris for $460.

Paid $450 for OKC-London on Delta (connected in ATL) a couple of years ago. Haven't seen it that cheap since, but did manage to get it for $650 on AA (connected in DFW) and British Airways for a trip last month. It's all about timing and persistent checking.

Smart point !

anyway, i am glad to see these old and loud guzzlers go away. If Delta do the same it will be great !

The MD-80 was the plane of my youth though, and I will always have fond memories of it. And that "loud" sound they make is unmistakable an MD-80 and is music to my ears. I used to watch planes as a kid at BUR from atop their parking garage in the late 80s and 90s and the whiny, metallic sound of an AS, TW, US, or AA MD-80 taxing in or out is the soundtrack of those fun times. No, they aren't the greatest compared to modern airliners of the same category, but I flew on one for the last time last September on OKC-DFW and they are still whisper quiet if you're sitting in the first dozen rows or so. It will be the end of an era that's for sure. I was at WRWA last night and heard one taxiing from the hourly parking deck and stopped in my tracks to listen to it.

The MD-80 was the plane of my youth though, and I will always have fond memories of it. And that "loud" sound they make is unmistakable an MD-80 and is music to my ears. I used to watch planes as a kid at BUR from atop their parking garage in the late 80s and 90s and the whiny, metallic sound of an AS, TW, US, or AA MD-80 taxing in or out is the soundtrack of those fun times. No, they aren't the greatest compared to modern airliners of the same category, but I flew on one for the last time last September on OKC-DFW and they are still whisper quiet if you're sitting in the first dozen rows or so. It will be the end of an era that's for sure. I was at WRWA last night and heard one taxiing from the hourly parking deck and stopped in my tracks to listen to it.

Yep, same here. Due to parental visitation, the aircraft of my youth were the SAAB 340, the ATR 72, and the MD-80... The first two servicing the route from MAF to DFW, then the MD80 from DFW to OKC. Gotta love the Mad Dog. AA's retirement of the type will certainly be the end of an era.

Yep.

On top of that, the other airport I always want to fly into (GRR) is even costlier, international or domestic. Makes OKC-GRR trips nearly impossible for my family of 5.

A fellow Michigander! AZO native here - and yes, $400 roundtrip on this route is a bargain. Helps build up the EQDs though. We do use GRR from time to time - just an extra 45 minutes or so to my parents' house, and infinitely more flights than AZO.

A fellow Michigander! AZO native here - and yes, $400 roundtrip on this route is a bargain. Helps build up the EQDs though. We do use GRR from time to time - just an extra 45 minutes or so to my parents' house, and infinitely more flights than AZO.

Yep! Being from Holland, we've tried multiple "local" airports and never get a great price from OKC. We've flown into Chicago and driven multiple times though.

The article was for international, so it's a strange metric, but I consistently see OKC to domestic locations at high prices, and many others on the list are also high on domestic costs. I remember when GRR landed Southwest and lauded the Southwest Effect. Which is a myth, after a few months...

Southwest has kinda abandoned the low fare mantra. They’re rarely the cheapest anymore, but the product is the most consistent.

Compared to airlines that charge you for everything, they are often still the cheapest, especially if you have to take a bag. I'd rather just pay a ticket price and stop all the fee games. I guess there are those who put a toothbrush in their pocket and head out for the weekend.

Compared to airlines that charge you for everything, they are often still the cheapest, especially if you have to take a bag. I'd rather just pay a ticket price and stop all the fee games. I guess there are those who put a toothbrush in their pocket and head out for the weekend.With the right CC you often don't pay a fee for checking a bag. I'm actually shocked airlines make so much off bag fees since they make it so easy to get around them.

With the right CC you often don't pay a fee for checking a bag. I'm actually shocked airlines make so much off bag fees since they make it so easy to get around them.

How so? I would love to get around them.

How so? I would love to get around them.This (https://thepointsguy.com/guide/how-to-avoid-checked-baggage-fees/) is a useful guide, though I am sure there are others besides this one.

This (https://thepointsguy.com/guide/how-to-avoid-checked-baggage-fees/) is a useful guide, though I am sure there are others besides this one.

Thanks

Wow. AA running an A321 FROM OKC-DCA this morning. 15374

Correction: that's DCA to OKC with the A321. Looks like a stop in OKC and then to LAX. Interesting....

A Republic ERJ 175 overflew the house today and caught my attention. It was a charter CMH-OKC--anyone know anything about it?

Mid Year Check: How have some of the newer routes been doing out of OKC? Philadelphia? Phoenix(on AA) .

Total passenger growth seems to be slowing to a crawl but AA still growing.

https://flyokc.com/sites/default/files/News/June2019Enplanement.pdf

Total passenger growth seems to be slowing to a crawl but AA still growing.

https://flyokc.com/sites/default/files/News/June2019Enplanement.pdf

One month is not bad. 4.5 million is OKC's cap, with the routes and frequencies offered. They up either of those (specifically the destinations) I think OKC can grow a bit more.

What's up with United? Prices? Flight times? That seems like an abnormal drop for them

Mid Year Check: How have some of the newer routes been doing out of OKC? Philadelphia? Phoenix(on AA) .

PHL is down to 1x/day and staying there as far as I can tell (started at 2x/day). I'm hoping it stays. Flew it recently and both flights were full. Of course that says nothing about yields. Catch can probably enlighten us.

PHL has been such an operational nightmare for AA though, but then again they've had problems everywhere this summer.

PHL is down to 1x/day and staying there as far as I can tell (started at 2x/day). I'm hoping it stays. Flew it recently and both flights were full. Of course that says nothing about yields. Catch can probably enlighten us.

PHL has been such an operational nightmare for AA though, but then again they've had problems everywhere this summer.I thought PHL got dropped to 1/day when AA did all their shuffling around for the 737 MAX grounding? That's now extended through November I think. Hopefully it goes back to 2/day when the MAX is flying again.

I thought PHL got dropped to 1/day when AA did all their shuffling around for the 737 MAX grounding? That's now extended through November I think. Hopefully it goes back to 2/day when the MAX is flying again.

I believe that's correct. The fact that this route was the first one cut suggests it's AA's most marginal out of OKC. No DFW, ORD, or LAX frequencies were cut AFAIK, and DCA has remained at 1x/day.

Also, I can't believe the 737 max is still grounded! Oh yeah, must be just politics.

June had lots miserable weather, cancellations might be affecting the numbers a little bit.

I believe that's correct. The fact that this route was the first one cut suggests it's AA's most marginal out of OKC. No DFW, ORD, or LAX frequencies were cut AFAIK, and DCA has remained at 1x/day.

Also, I can't believe the 737 max is still grounded! Oh yeah, must be just politics.

It is not just politics.

June had lots miserable weather, cancellations might be affecting the numbers a little bit.

Not such a bad month. Still up about 2 % with the bad weather, the Max being grounded and airlines being stretched out in capacity.

It is not just politics.

I know. My comment was tongue-in-cheek, directed at all the posters who pinned the blame solely on the Ethiopians and Indonesians for the two crashes.

wasn't the pilot's nor airline's fault at all. Blame solely on Boeing and the FAA.

Effective Nov 5, AS OKC-SEA will be operated by an A320.