This thread, man.

Yeah, sorry, now that the report's out, I'm done with the hijack. :(

Yeah, sorry, now that the report's out, I'm done with the hijack. :(

Haha, you're fine. Not mad or calling anyone out. Just curious how this all started.

Haha, you're fine. Not mad or calling anyone out. Just curious how this all started.

i like the thread... just wish it had been created under a it's own, instead of hijacking this one. but hopefully the derailment is done for awhile, and we can get back to OKC Aviation

March numbers are in. Growth continues: American solidifies #2 spot in OKC.

https://flyokc.com/sites/default/files/News/March2019Enplanement.pdf

March numbers are in. Growth continues: American solidifies #2 spot in OKC.

https://flyokc.com/sites/default/files/News/March2019Enplanement.pdf
AA appears to be killing it.

United...yikes.

I still think OKC set the expansion up to fail by pre-leasing all the available gates to Delta, who has no interest in expanding OKC. So the new gates will sit almost idle while American is expanding in OKC greatly. Sigh...

i think it makes more sense to have an airline with more fights in an area where gates are more dense, and where tarmac operations can be more centralized. Why spread American out along gates on a single side if you can use both sides of the terminal with gates closer together and across from each other. That’s makes better use of waiting areas and it’s easier for communicating with waiting passengers.

FWIW, The United numbers being down probably has a lot to do with the "bomb cyclone" that struck in mid-March. DIA closed and had ripple affects for days. On top of that, lots of snow storms in in early March created all sorts of delays/cancellations in the first half of the month.

I wouldn't fret too much over how much United is down this month.

i think it makes more sense to have an airline with more fights in an area where gates are more dense, and where tarmac operations can be more centralized. Why spread American out along gates on a single side if you can use both sides of the terminal with gates closer together and across from each other. That’s makes better use of waiting areas and it’s easier for communicating with waiting passengers.

I can see that. Makes sense.

I am just wondering why we are building a massive expansion for a very minimal number of flights per day, Unless Delta has an agreement in place to expand services in OKC, there will be hardly any action in the new terminal. The Delta gates are busy in the morning, then nothing. We will see. I hope it doesn't bite OK

FWIW, The United numbers being down probably has a lot to do with the "bomb cyclone" that struck in mid-March. DIA closed and had ripple affects for days. On top of that, lots of snow storms in in early March created all sorts of delays/cancellations in the first half of the month.

I wouldn't fret too much over how much United is down this month.I took a r/t on the non-stop United to SFO in March and both flights were about 80% capacity. In the past when I've taken this flight it had always been oversold. Granted I am a small sample size, but I was actually shocked at how low both flights were.

I still think OKC set the expansion up to fail by pre-leasing all the available gates to Delta, who has no interest in expanding OKC. So the new gates will sit almost idle while American is expanding in OKC greatly. Sigh...

Delta may just be the most willing of the majors to move, Southwest may prefer just taking over one or more gates Delta currently uses, United is not trending in a way that indicates needs more space. American seems the most likely alternative since that would get them another gate now, but has more risk of not being able to get a 5th gate close to the others any time soon, as who knows when or if phase 2 of the east expansion will be built.

Delta may just be the most willing of the majors to move, Southwest may prefer just taking over one or more gates Delta currently uses, United is not trending in a way that indicates needs more space. American seems the most likely alternative since that would get them another gate now, but has more risk of not being able to get a 5th gate close to the others any time soon, as who knows when or if phase 2 of the east expansion will be built.Could the airport make everyone "shift" to the east to give American another gate or two in the west end of the west concourse? Or do their gate leases prevent something like that? It seems like American is trending in a way they will want another gate (or more) but for efficiency I would assume they want it next to their current ones.

Isn’t the old Allegiant gate down their way?

I still think OKC set the expansion up to fail by pre-leasing all the available gates to Delta, who has no interest in expanding OKC. So the new gates will sit almost idle while American is expanding in OKC greatly. Sigh...

Yeah I just don’t see Delta expanding outside of MSP, DTW, ATL and SLC though some of these could see higher frequency. New York LGA or JFK would be a nice add. I don’t see Delta trying to compete with AA and Allegiant for LAX. Same goes for Alaska to Seattle. I could see OKC (and TUL) to AUS when Delta builds up their focus City there, but that’s a few years away.

Hasn't Delta been growing in Boston as well? That'd be a nice addition for OKC.

American reduces OKC-PHL for the summer season to 1x daily. 2x returns in the fall.

That’s odd timing for a reduction during peak months which leads me to believe this is MAX grounding related. It’s a roundabout way of covering MAX flights by moving 76 seat capacity into other marginal markets to free up larger airplanes to cover for the MAX outage thru August.

This does tell us that OKC-PHL at 2x daily is marginal enough for t to be an easy capacity cut to move capacity elsewhere. It’s strong enough however that they appear to resume 2x daily service once MAX capacity returns in the fall. Subject to change however as the max grounding could end sooner or be pushed later. Please keep discussion about the circumstances of the MAX grounding in a different thread. This thread is only intended to discuss service changes at OKC.

Speaking of PHL I noticed XNA is getting a nonstop on AA this fall. 1x daily. Hopefully they add TUL as well.

Anybody know when Frontier Airlines will announce if they are continuing direct service to MCO beyond August?

Their schedule is open until November, so if it’s not bookable now it probably won’t be.

Frontier schedules like Southwest, where changes are built into future schedule extensions and very rarely overlaid on an existing schedule. Whereas AA, AS, DL, UA typically publish dummy schedules far into the future and roll out changes monthly that “lock in” the 60 day window, firm up the 90 window, and make large adjustments (new routes, added frequencies etc.) to the 120 day window.

American reduces OKC-PHL for the summer season to 1x daily. 2x returns in the fall.

That’s odd timing for a reduction during peak months which leads me to believe this is MAX grounding related. It’s a roundabout way of covering MAX flights by moving 76 seat capacity into other marginal markets to free up larger airplanes to cover for the MAX outage thru August.

This does tell us that OKC-PHL at 2x daily is marginal enough for t to be an easy capacity cut to move capacity elsewhere. It’s strong enough however that they appear to resume 2x daily service once MAX capacity returns in the fall. Subject to change however as the max grounding could end sooner or be pushed later. Please keep discussion about the circumstances of the MAX grounding in a different thread. This thread is only intended to discuss service changes at OKC.

Interesting - I haven't looked yet but which OKC- PHL flight survived? The early morning (~530 AM IIRC) or late morning? Hopefully the late morning departure (~11 AM) survived - that flight is perfect for connecting to AA's European bank. Haven't had a chance to use it yet but sure hope to this summer.

^^
I received notice of a schedule change yesterday. The early PHL flight is gone. Looks like the later flight is at 12:53 except for Saturday, where it moves to 15:13. In my case, the change worked great. Now I get the flights that were only available with a Business AAnytime Award for a MileSAAver rate.

Duplicate Post

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/long-before-first-737-max-crash-boeing-knew-a-key-sensor-warning-light-wasnt-working-but-told-no-one/

Also just curious what everyone thinks about the recent Miami Air incident in Jacksonville? I know it's early and we shouldn't jump to conclusions, but I just find it interesting that no one is attacking the national origin of these pilots, or which country they trained in! Fascinating.

My opinion is that the Max grounding and Miami Air runway excursion are not related to OKC and should be in their own thread.

AA adds OKC-MIA effective Dec 18. E175 daily.

AA adds OKC-MIA effective Dec 18. E175 daily.

That is a very good get! And more proof that AA views OKC very highly. If this does well, I would expect a flight to LaGuardia in 2020.

very awesome and yes, appears LGA is all that's left for the AA portfolio.

Wow - daily year round to MIA is a legit add! Curious to see if PHL actually returns to 2x daily or will it just stay at 1x daily. Catch, any idea about the flight times for OKC-MIA? Didn't see them on a.net either.

that got me thinking, what other major cities does OKC not have non-stop service to and who would be the airline that could do it. List is getting shorter and shorter!

Austin ?
Boston
Cincinnati
Cleveland - United
Indianapolis
Louisville
Memphis
Milwaukee
Nashville - American
New Orleans
New York - JFK
New York - LGA
Oakland - Alaska
Pittsburgh
Portland - Alaska
San Antonio
San Diego
Tampa

likely very wishful thinking, but I'd also like to see some level of service to smaller cities such as:

Albuquerque
Billings
Boise
Des Moines
El Paso
Irvine
Little Rock
Omaha
Spokane
Tulsa
Wichita

At some point we’ve got to see either NYC or Boston added, no?

And I keep hoping (selfishly) for New Orleans!

I think best shot for MSY is Alliegiant

Good news for AA and good news for Oklahoma aviation. I actually wasn't expecting to see any new routes come this year from AA since the MAX issue has been tying up other aircraft. This destination add goes to show that the aviation demand may be stronger than many realize. The NE adds can't be more than 2 years off in my opinion.

Surely NK will look at entering OKC at some point? They don't seem to care much for "flyover" states though. G4 gives such places much more love it seems like.

Here's the initial schedule for the flights (as of right now) . Miami-bound flights are to depart at 5:22 a.m., arriving at 9:22 a.m.
Oklahoma City-bound flights will leave Miami at 9:42 p.m. and arrive at Will Rogers at 12:22 a.m.

For those of us who just want to travel, can someone explain to me what MSY, NK and G4 mean?

MSY is New Orleans

NK and G4 are airline codes (I'm not sure which however :( ).

MSY is New Orleans

NK and G4 are airline codes (I'm not sure which however :( ).

NK = International Air Transport Association (IATA) airline designator code for Spirit Airlines
G4 = IATA airline designator code for Allegiant Air

Here's the initial schedule for the flights (as of right now) . Miami-bound flights are to depart at 5:22 a.m., arriving at 9:22 a.m.
Oklahoma City-bound flights will leave Miami at 9:42 p.m. and arrive at Will Rogers at 12:22 a.m.

Interesting- much more geared toward Caribbean connections rather than Europe or South America which makes sense as I don't think OKC has a significant South American diaspora.

Here's the initial schedule for the flights (as of right now) . Miami-bound flights are to depart at 5:22 a.m., arriving at 9:22 a.m.
Oklahoma City-bound flights will leave Miami at 9:42 p.m. and arrive at Will Rogers at 12:22 a.m.Off the top of my head, I think those are good times. I've looked at a couple Caribbean locations for trips and could not make it work on AA with a stop in Charlotte because either (1) the flight back to Charlotte got there before the last flight back to OKC left or (2) the first flight out of OKC to Charlotte got there after the flight to the Island left. Similar story on Delta through Atlanta. Plain and simple, without this MIA flight there are Caribbean islands OKC residents can't get to with one stop. Glad we have it now. I'm sure my family and I will be on it for multiple vacations through the years.

Off the top of my head, I think those are good times. I've looked at a couple Caribbean locations for trips and could not make it work on AA with a stop in Charlotte because either (1) the flight back to Charlotte got there before the last flight back to OKC left or (2) the first flight out of OKC to Charlotte got there after the flight to the Island left. Similar story on Delta through Atlanta. Plain and simple, without this MIA flight there are Caribbean islands OKC residents can't get to with one stop. Glad we have it now. I'm sure my family and I will be on it for multiple vacations through the years.

Also makes it easy for long weekends in Miami. Fly in Friday morning and back home Sunday night. Will be great option in winter to get away from the cold.

Also makes it easy for long weekends in Miami. Fly in Friday morning and back home Sunday night. Will be great option in winter to get away from the cold.

this was exactly my thought

AA adds OKC-MIA effective Dec 18. E175 daily.

Great add for OKC! Hopefully TUL can get its MIA flight back after the Saturday only service ended last August. Hoping to see some AA love up the turnpike with LAX restarting and PHL and MIA adds.

Great add for OKC! Hopefully TUL can get its MIA flight back after the Saturday only service ended last August. Hoping to see some AA love up the turnpike with LAX restarting and PHL and MIA adds.

Eh, selfishly, in order for OKC's airport to truly excel, we don't need Tulsa getting the exact same flights. This helps OKC pull from Tulsa, thus increasing numbers.

Eh, selfishly, in order for OKC's airport to truly excel, we don't need Tulsa getting the exact same flights. This helps OKC pull from Tulsa, thus increasing numbers.

TUL also has XNA in close proximity which has several nonstops to places not served from TUL like LGA, SFO and now MIA as well. I think the cities are spread out enough that a lot of the same routes can be flown with OKC likely having higher frequencies due to its larger size.

I am looking at flying with GK to Las Vegas at the end of June. Anything I should look out for or need to know prior to traveling with them?

I am looking at flying with GK to Las Vegas at the end of June. Anything I should look out for or need to know prior to traveling with them?
Allegiant?

I flew them LAX-OKC once. It was an okay experience. Just set your bar low. It’s cramped, and was a bare bones service. The average flier is also a different (less traveled) crowd than what you’d see on a traditional carrier; so in general I found the boarding process to be a bit more chaotic as people were easily confused, flight was noisier as more people were talking across rows (which is generally against public transport etiquette) and there were more children and babies.

If you’re just looking for a ride and none of the other stuff matters it’s a good alternative.

Allegiant?

I flew them LAX-OKC once. It was an okay experience. Just set your bar low. It’s cramped, and was a bare bones service. The average flier is also a different (less traveled) crowd than what you’d see on a traditional carrier; so in general I found the boarding process to be a bit more chaotic as people were easily confused, flight was noisier as more people were talking across rows (which is generally against public transport etiquette) and there were more children and babies.

If you’re just looking for a ride and none of the other stuff matters it’s a good alternative.

Yeah, we are looking for a non-stop option to fly out, watch the Energy FC play the Las Vegas Lights, enjoy the town for a day or two and fly back

Allegiant?

I flew them LAX-OKC once. It was an okay experience. Just set your bar low. It’s cramped, and was a bare bones service. The average flier is also a different (less traveled) crowd than what you’d see on a traditional carrier; so in general I found the boarding process to be a bit more chaotic as people were easily confused, flight was noisier as more people were talking across rows (which is generally against public transport etiquette) and there were more children and babies.

If you’re just looking for a ride and none of the other stuff matters it’s a good alternative.

That's a good assessment, I had a similar experience on a flight to Orlando.

Buyer beware: https://kfor.com/2017/07/24/its-ridiculous-oklahoma-city-allegiant-passengers-stranded-in-las-vegas/

If they cancel your flight, you're SOL. So have a backup plan or make sure you buy you ticket with a credit card has travel insurance included.

I have not flown them but my wife has. NEVER AGAIN! In case I wasn't clear....NEVER AGAIN. Flight to Destin on a Sunday at 230. (Spring break trip with condo rented for week) Cancelled flight and said could fly on the next flight on Thursday. Even worse....before cancelling, they said flight delayed to 4 ish. At four, flight cancelled. Wife and kids head home and are in the process of booking expensive last minute Delta the next day when she gets robo call at 5 saying flight is leaving at 545. Mad rush back to airport. Flight doesn't actually leave until 730. Trying to get a live person or getting any help was impossible.

Not worth the savings. Southwest does a non stop and has plenty of other flights to get you there if there is a problem.

I am looking at flying with GK to Las Vegas at the end of June. Anything I should look out for or need to know prior to traveling with them?

I found it to be a non event and worth the price. I usually fly SWA would def fly them again if needed.

Allegiant has raised their game I think. Lot less problems than before; mainly since they got rid of all their old MD and B757. All newer Airbus now.

Allegiant has raised their game I think. Lot less problems than before; mainly since they got rid of all their old MD and B757. All newer Airbus now.

Has anyone used Allegiant to Vegas lately? Prices are cheap if I don't want to select my own seat which i could careless. Bag fees are crazy but still cheaper to fly them to Vegas than anyone else.

I've flown Allegiant a few times to both Sanford-Orlando and to Vegas and was happy each time. I felt like it was very comparable to my Southwest experiences, and even in some cases better.

Flew Allegiant a couple of weeks ago to LAX and back. No issues whatsoever. I actually felt like there was more leg room and space in the cabin than the most recent SWA flight I took to BWI. But maybe that was just my mind playing tricks on me. The Allegiant A319 aisle is noticeably wider than other planes, which is nice. Like someone said previously, the clientele is a bit different than what you'd experience on a UAL, AA, or DL flight. Much louder and more people up and about.

Allegiant is decent low cost leisure airline. I could see a couple other routes out of OKC and/or TUL. Regionally they fly non-stop between XNA and BNA (Nashville), and between ICT and AZA (Mesa AZ). Both routes could potentially work here. SAN, MSY, FLL and PIE (Tampa FL) could be future options out of OKC/TUL (TUL already has a nonstop to PIE).

and I think OKC has (or had) nonstop to TPA and FLL iirc.

I blame the Space Age, but I find the constant use of codes and abbreviations to be the most masculine form of elitism. So I will ask again if someone can explain what those abbreviations in the last couple five posts represent in English?

XNA - Northwest Arkansas
ICT - Wichita
SAN - San Diego
MSY - New Orleans
FLL - Fort Lauderdale
PIE - St Petersburg/Clearwater