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Anonymous. 11-29-2018, 12:11 PM New month time. Tomorrow (Friday) will be mild and humid ahead of a strong storm system. C OK could see some storms develop directly overhead afternoon into evening Friday, but it is unlikely. The more likely scenario is development taking place east of C OK. Far E OK could see some solid severe weather overnight.
After that, 60s again Saturday, and 50s Sunday. Cold air really starts to filter in heading into next week. Highs will struggle to get out of the 40s for the entire week.
Going to go ahead and say preliminary Bread & Milk Watch for next weekend December 7th-ish. A storm will be in the area with iffy temperatures.
Anonymous. 11-30-2018, 12:09 PM Warmfront boundary essentially has C OK split in half and a dryline retreating much further west than forecast. This will setup C OK for possible development of storms this afternoon just west of OKC. Storms will likely be supercell in nature and have non-zero tornado potential. Although it is likely storm maturity may not be fully realized until they pass OKC, keep eye on radar and local weather in the 5-8pm time frame.
I would place emphasis on any storms that develop immediately west of OKC in the Anadarko - El Reno - Yukon corridor for keeping closest eyes on.
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/hrrr/2018113017/hrrr_ref_frzn_scus_8.png
Anonymous. 11-30-2018, 04:01 PM MD is out. Tornado watch coming in next hour.
https://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/md/mcd1668.gif
Mesoscale Discussion 1668
NWS Storm Prediction Center Norman OK
0351 PM CST Fri Nov 30 2018
Areas affected...portions of north-central tx into central ok
Concerning...Severe potential...Watch likely
Valid 302151Z - 302315Z
Probability of Watch Issuance...80 percent
SUMMARY...Severe threat will increase after 23z from portions of
north-central TX into central OK. Large hail is likely with this
activity along with some tornado threat. WW will likely be issued by
00z.
DISCUSSION...Leading edge of large-scale ascent is spreading east
across the southern High Plains at roughly 30kt. Latest visible
satellite imagery supports this with blowing dust and strong
westerly surface flow approaching southwest OK. Strengthening
mid-level height falls, on the order of 150-210m, during the latter
half of the period are inducing a focused low-level response across
the Red River valley into central OK. Modified Gulf air mass has now
spread into all but extreme southwest OK with mid 50s surface dew
points now into Jackson County. Over the next few hours, near 60 dew
points are expected to advance into central OK. Given the
aforementioned speed of approaching large-scale forcing, latest
thinking is deep convection should develop by 23z over southwest OK,
perhaps extending south of the Red River into northwest TX. Very
strong shear and steep mid-level lapse rates will support supercell
development by early evening. Large hail is expected with this
initial activity. As convection spreads toward the I-35 corridor a
bit more moist profiles will become more supportive of potential
tornadic development, especially where lower-mid 60s dew points are
encountered. Back edge of severe convection should shift east of
I-35 by 03z.
..Darrow/Hart.. 11/30/2018
Anonymous. 11-30-2018, 04:07 PM https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/hrrr/2018113021/hrrr_ref_frzn_scus_4.png
Anonymous. 11-30-2018, 04:24 PM Also I just realized I am posting all of this in December.. Oh well. lol
Anonymous. 11-30-2018, 05:28 PM TOR watch is out:
https://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/watch/ww0429_radar.gif
Bunty 11-30-2018, 05:30 PM Tornado Watch - Includes all Oklahoma City Metro Area
Updated: Fri Nov-30-18 05:21pm CST
Effective: Fri Nov-30-18 05:20pm CST
Expires: Sat Dec-01-18 12:00am CST
Severity: Severe
Urgency: Expected
Certainty: Likely
Status: Actual
Type: Alert
Category: Met
TORNADO WATCH 429 IS IN EFFECT UNTIL 1200 AM CST
OKLAHOMA COUNTIES INCLUDED ARE
ADAIR ATOKA BRYAN
CADDO CANADIAN CARTER
CHEROKEE CHOCTAW CLEVELAND
COAL COMANCHE COTTON
CRAIG CREEK DELAWARE
GARVIN GRADY HASKELL
HUGHES JEFFERSON JOHNSTON
KINGFISHER LATIMER LE FLORE
LINCOLN LOGAN LOVE
MARSHALL MAYES MCCLAIN
MCINTOSH MURRAY MUSKOGEE
NOBLE NOWATA OKFUSKEE
OKLAHOMA OKMULGEE OSAGE
OTTAWA PAWNEE PAYNE
PITTSBURG PONTOTOC POTTAWATOMIE
PUSHMATAHA ROGERS SEMINOLE
SEQUOYAH STEPHENS TILLMAN
TULSA WAGONER WASHINGTON
Counties covered in yellow.
https://forecast.weather.gov/wwamap/png/oun.png
Hollywood 11-30-2018, 06:09 PM You called it on the El Reno/Anadarko area!
15047
Anonymous. 11-30-2018, 06:32 PM Cell east of Anadarko and N of Chickasha is ramping up some. Numerous cells are firing in the area, which will help limit any isolated supercells, but LLJ will kick in and may cause some isolation issues in a couple hours.
Anonymous. 11-30-2018, 06:52 PM That cell is the only game in the state right now. Hail size ramping up. Like I mentioned earlier today. OKC will probably get past these before full storm maturity and LLJ will make these more dangerous off to the east.
Right now hail is moving into Tuttle and soon S Mustang area.
SVR warnings issued for all C OK based on that cell described above.
Anonymous. 11-30-2018, 07:35 PM Main threat with the initial storms is heading out of OKC now ~7:30pm.
Strongest storm in state is backside and will be heading into W Duncan soon. Short-range models expand this backside development and race it back into OKC later tonight, but I have my doubts it develops that far north. I will keep watching radar.
Anonymous. 11-30-2018, 08:19 PM Okay looks like that last round of storms will actually impact OKC. Right now they are not severe, but are moving VERY fast. Gusty winds with the initial impact will be biggest threat. After these we will be in the all clear. Enjoy your windy Saturday.
LocoAko 12-02-2018, 08:05 PM All eyes now turn to the potential for a significant winter storm Thursday-Saturday. Models have some disagreement but it looks like ice and/or snow totals could be fairly high. First graphic out of NWS Norman:
http://www.weather.gov/images/oun/graphicast/image4.png?a0600a98ddb8756e898130ec9bb25777
Anonymous. 12-03-2018, 12:06 PM Classic southern plains winter storm still being picked up on by models. Temperatures and track will determine locations of impacts, but impacts do look to be significant wherever they take place.
We will get into NAM window in next couple days so we will have a better idea. But for now this is what we have model-wise.
GFS:
Start of storm: Freezing rain and sleet just NW of I-44 corridor. Snow in NW OK.
End of storm: Snow all of I-44 corridor and points N.
Canadian & GEM:
Start of storm: Freezing rain over I-44 corridor for prolonged period, potential major icestorm scenario. Snow in NW OK.
End of storm: Snow all of I-44 corridor and points N.
Will keep updating as we get into additional forecast model windows and obviously the less time gap before the event - the more accurate things will be painted.
Bunty 12-03-2018, 04:18 PM Story of the damages from tornado in eastern Oklahoma during Friday night with drone video.
https://ktul.com/news/local/severe-storms-leave-catastrophic-damage-in-eastern-oklahoma
bradh 12-03-2018, 09:45 PM Ha, go figure, we're coming back for a wedding this weekend. I'm sure we'll have to endure many "you guys brought this with you from Minnesota" jokes
Flying in Thursday night, outdoor wedding planned for Saturday afternoon....yay
Anonymous. 12-03-2018, 10:21 PM Outdoor wedding in the first week of December? Okay... Was it like free? haha
Tonight's model data is showing trend toward warmer temperatures at beginning of storm meaning more of a cold rain solution, then followed up by wrap-around snow on Saturday.
bradh 12-04-2018, 07:19 AM Yeah a little ambitious right?
Bunty 12-04-2018, 02:00 PM See Euro vs US GFS below.
Bunty 12-04-2018, 02:02 PM Euro vs US GFS
http://www.wxforum.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34964.0;attach=341 23;image
http://www.wxforum.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34964.0;attach=341 25;image
Anonymous. 12-04-2018, 03:26 PM First glimpses into the NAM do not paint a pretty picture. Major winterstorm per NAM. Whilst the GFS is backing off.
Will have more tomorrow when we have full storm data.
sooner333 12-04-2018, 07:05 PM First glimpses into the NAM do not paint a pretty picture. Major winterstorm per NAM. Whilst the GFS is backing off.
Will have more tomorrow when we have full storm data.
Which models are the best to look at for winter weather?
jn1780 12-04-2018, 08:29 PM Which models are the best to look at for winter weather?
I think the NAM is often used for shorter term forecasting? I know the window that forecast models come out is a lot smaller.
Anonymous. 12-04-2018, 09:01 PM There is only a few long-range models that are commonly used in forecasting. However, once you get into the 24-72 hour window of an event you are forecasting, there is a lot of models that are viable. Obviously, the closer you are to an event - the more confident the forecast. Since this storm is very large, it will be a multi-day event, so the entire storm is not in short-range models' view until very close to the start of the event.
By lunchtime Wednesday we will have a full-storm length picture of the storm in the NAM window and we will be able to begin fine-tuning Wednesday night into Thursday using a conglomerate of all of the model data and excluding anomalies.
As of tonight, the NAM is full doomsday
GFS seems out to lunch on temperatures, but more realistic on QPF.
Canadian and GEM are sort of in-between the above.
SoonerDave 12-05-2018, 09:34 AM Obviously the official interpretation will come from Anon, but it seems both the latest GFS and the NAM are backing off the worst Friday daytime predictions and pushing the worst of this as an overnight Friday/Saturday daytime event.
LocoAko 12-05-2018, 10:00 AM Obviously the official interpretation will come from Anon, but it seems both the latest GFS and the NAM are backing off the worst Friday daytime predictions and pushing the worst of this as an overnight Friday/Saturday daytime event.
Sure seems that way. Still pretty amazing differences between the 12Z NAM, which paints an inch of ice from ~Lawton to Purcell and up to a foot of snow in OKC) and the GFS, which still shows rain as of Saturday afternoon through OKC with just a brief blip of snow on the back end. Oy.
Ginkasa 12-05-2018, 11:42 AM I'm traveling to Texas Friday morning and coming back sometime on Saturday. I need this storm to have as little impact as possible. I'm counting on you, Anonymous. :p
Roger S 12-05-2018, 12:52 PM I'm traveling to Texas Friday morning and coming back sometime on Saturday. I need this storm to have as little impact as possible. I'm counting on you, Anonymous. :p
I'd say stop just south of the Arbuckles to be safe. ;)
okatty 12-05-2018, 01:38 PM I'm traveling to Texas Friday morning and coming back sometime on Saturday. I need this storm to have as little impact as possible. I'm counting on you, Anonymous. :p
My son is doing just the opposite - Dallas to OKC Friday after work. Hmmmmmm. Appreciate the good info here.
Bunty 12-05-2018, 02:13 PM WINTER STORM WATCH
Areas Affected:
Alfalfa - Beckham - Blaine - Caddo - Canadian - Cleveland - Comanche - Cotton - Custer - Dewey - Ellis - Garfield - Garvin - Grady - Grant - Greer - Harmon - Harper - Jackson - Kay - Kingfisher - Kiowa - Lincoln - Logan - Major - McClain - Noble - Oklahoma - Payne - Pottawatomie - Roger Mills - Seminole - Stephens - Tillman - Wash ita - Woods - Woodward
Effective: Fri, 12/7 6:00am Updated: Wed, 12/5 2:10pm Urgency: Future
Expires: Sun, 12/9 12:00am Severity: Moderate Certainty: Possible
Details:
...Winter Storm Expected Friday morning through Saturday
Evening...
...WINTER STORM WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM FRIDAY MORNING
THROUGH SATURDAY EVENING...
* WHAT...Heavy mixed precipitation possible. Total snow
accumulations of 2 to 4 inches, with locally higher amounts of
at least 6 inches. Ice accumulations up to three tenths of an
inch are possible.
* WHERE...The heavier snow accumulations will mainly be across
northern and western Oklahoma. The heavier ice accumulations
are expected to extend from southwest Oklahoma into central
Oklahoma, including Oklahoma City.
* WHEN...From Friday late morning through Saturday evening.
* ADDITIONAL DETAILS...Power outages and tree damage are likely
across portions of the area due to the ice. Road conditions will
vary across Oklahoma and western north Texas, depending on
ground temperatures and the rate of accumulation of snow and
ice. Ice may accumulate on bridges and overpasses, even where
main roads do not freeze.
Information:
A Winter Storm Watch means there is potential for significant
snow, sleet or ice accumulations that may impact travel. Continue
to monitor the latest forecasts.
Counties covered in blue:
https://forecast.weather.gov/wwamap/png/oun.png
sacolton 12-05-2018, 04:03 PM I'm scared.
stile99 12-05-2018, 04:37 PM I'm scared.
There's no reason to be scared. Mike Morgan said it won't hit until late afternoon Friday, if you have morning plans, no need to cancel them.
Which, of course, means it hits the fan tomorrow.
Anonymous. 12-05-2018, 04:53 PM Here we go with the latest data. Right now the storm is taking a perfect track for impacting all of Oklahoma. The track will be very similar to the 2009 Christmas Eve storm that dropped record snowfall in C OK. Now most of that 2009 snow in C OK came in the low's deformation zone with heavy banding - something nearly impossible to predict or place. I am not claiming this storm will dump record snowfall, but the track will be very close.
Right now we have several models to look at for this forecast, even more will be available by Thursday evening. Before we see graphics, I want to try and explain that the ending result is likely a combination of these models, and not one specific one. As always, forecasting ice and snow in OK is Russian Roulette with the freezing temperature line. Any variance in a handful of degrees completely changes the outcome. So this will be a nowcast type of event for Friday into Saturday. I want to point out the potential for a warm nose to form somewhere across southern Oklahoma of warm air at the surface pushing north with the counter-clockwise spin of the storm. This warm nose could push over an area and extend 10-20 miles more than forecast and end up busting a forecast for wherever it ends up. Right now, the warm nose could very well push into C OK and result in a winter storm for northern sides of OKC while the southern sides see cold rain and a dusting of snow. We will have to monitor the situation as it arises.
First up we have GFS: This model is the least bread & milk out of all the models. Forecast is for freezing rain and sleet to develop by afternoon Friday across W and NW OK. Some of this reaching toward C OK, but temperatures too warm for any major impacts. Best chance for ice accumulation is just NW of OKC area and back along I-40 to the west. Eventually the cold air comes in with the wrap around of the system during the day Saturday and squeezes out some light snow amounts mostly over NW and N OK, dusting in C OK. This model has consistently had the warmest temperatures and lowest QPF totals of any of them. Potential for it being an outlier is moderate to high.
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/gfs/2018120518/gfs_asnow_scus_16.png
Next up we have NAM. This is literally the opposite of the GFS, in that it is full bread and milk warning and paints a historic storm. Like I mentioned earlier, the track NAM gives is very similar to 2009's Christmas Eve. However, this one is forecast to dump ice before heavy snow. NAM gets things started later than GFS, putting freezing drizzle and rain in NW OK by nightfall Friday. Then precipitation picks up across NW TX and all of SW OK and moves into the body of the state. Depending on temperatures and the 32F line, a very narrow corridor of heavy icing is possible somewhere in line with I-44. Exact positioning is too difficult to pinpoint, but the current forecast puts up to half an inch of ice along I-44 including all of OKC. After icing over all of Friday night and Saturday morning, heavy snow is transitioned into the state by sunrise and amounts ranging from 4-12" are forecast for essentially south of I-44 and points north (heaviest north). The snow gradient will likely be dramatic in that just 2-5 miles could separate little to no snow, and over 6". It all depends on temperatures. Snow ends overnight Saturday.
I am using a non 10:1 snow to liquid ratio map due to the traditional 10:1 map being grossly over-exaggerated, this map is more in line with likely reality.
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/namconus/2018120518/namconus_asnowd_scus_29.png
Here is the Canadian, which is sort of in between the two above solutions, but sides with lower QPF potential. This model's scenario is nearly identical to the NAM, except all amounts are about 1/3 of what the NAM is forecasting.
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/gem/2018120512/gem_asnow_scus_16.png
Bunty 12-05-2018, 05:18 PM Thanks. Here is OKC meteorologist Aaron Tuttle's take on the weather situation: https://aarontuttleweather.com/2018/12/04/winter-storm-what-you-want-to-know-details-and-snow-totals/
bradh 12-05-2018, 05:26 PM welp, the wedding has obviously been moved inside Saturday night now. Now my wife is questioning if our flight back home on Sunday will happen (weather Sunday will be fine but who knows what inbound flights will look like Saturday).
John1744 12-05-2018, 08:03 PM We're also heading to Texas Friday afternoon and were supposed to head back Saturday evening, told the wife we probably need to find a hotel till Sunday just to be on the safe side.
Anonymous. 12-05-2018, 10:37 PM NAM is doubling down tonight. Rushing colder air aloft in faster than previous runs. Bringing in heavy snow for all of I-44 corridor and points north, sliding the ice threat slightly south of I-44 and backing off some in amount. Some of the snow totals are insanity. Will wait for morning runs to see if this trend continues leading to up to the event. GFS is also ramping back up some on tonight's run.
SoonerDave 12-05-2018, 10:52 PM Anin, could you clarify when this supposed to roll in? Are you talking about Friday or Saturday. The NAM and GFS runs I've been reading seem to show less of a precip risk for Friday, but bigger probability on Sat. Is that what you're seeing?
Anonymous. 12-06-2018, 09:36 AM SoonerDave, Friday evening is when things have the best chance to get hairy. But depending on temperatures, we may not get to freezing temps until well after dark in OKC. We are talking just 2-6 degrees changing everything with this forecast. This is why winter storms in OK are very frustrating to forecast, science just isn't good enough yet for such a small variance in air temperatures.
Models this morning have undergone dramatic shift south with the track. Will watch this afternoon for trend. The track has been the most consistent item among all models thus far. The track will determine everything about this storm, so this shift is important to watch.
This is the NAM 12 hours ago:
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/nam3km/2018120600/nam3km_mslp_pcpn_frzn_scus_60.png
This is the NAM now:
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/nam3km/2018120612/nam3km_mslp_pcpn_frzn_scus_48.png
Ginkasa 12-06-2018, 10:45 AM Anon, I just want to jump in and say you're an absolute champion. I hope you never feel unappreciated for these posts because they are very much so. Speaking for myself, of course, but I'm sure this is true for many of us.
bradh 12-06-2018, 10:47 AM That's a pretty drastic shift
Anonymous. 12-06-2018, 11:20 AM Anon, I just want to jump in and say you're an absolute champion. I hope you never feel unappreciated for these posts because they are very much so. Speaking for myself, of course, but I'm sure this is true for many of us.
No problem. I enjoy posting information that others find useful. There are no Facebook likes, advertisements clicks, or news channel hours to bait for here. Just raw data and some help to interpret it.
We are getting into a lot of high-def short-range models' windows this evening, so we will have our best information yet at our disposal tonight and tomorrow morning.
Timshel 12-06-2018, 11:39 AM ^ Another hearty thank you from me.
If the current models/patterns hold does it mean less ice and more snow and the storm happening Saturday day/afternoon instead of Friday evening/Saturday morning?
Ian Drake 12-06-2018, 12:31 PM So per above, no snow or ice in OKC, just cold rain? Please let it be so. Model busts are good. I am not prepared for ice.
Outhunder 12-06-2018, 12:49 PM From what I've seen on other sites, this is setting up to be a dud of a storm.
sacolton 12-06-2018, 01:04 PM Pffft. Figures. Another hyped up storm for ratings.
LocoAko 12-06-2018, 01:09 PM Pffft. Figures. Another hyped up storm for ratings.
Or things are evolving as we get closer to the event and our best available evidence, which we use to prepare people, is indicating less severe impacts? The emphasis in messaging has always been on the remaining uncertainty with this event due to the marginal nature of the temperatures. If people were merely concerned with hyping for ratings, they would have run with the models that have showed feet of snow for OKC, but instead (at least in the case of reputable sources like the NWS) maintained a consistent forecast for a few inches.
stile99 12-06-2018, 01:18 PM Pffft. Figures. Another hyped up storm for ratings.
You saw how the model changed in only a matter of hours, right?
Outhunder 12-06-2018, 01:23 PM State of emergency declared for all 77 counties. Sure seems to be a bit premature.
https://www.koco.com/article/state-of-emergency-declared-for-77-oklahoma-counties-ahead-of-winter-storm/25426173
stile99 12-06-2018, 01:44 PM State of emergency declared for all 77 counties. Sure seems to be a bit premature.
Not to people who know what ice on roads means. Really, I don't understand this rush to discount it. Nobody I know is agreeing with it. These other sites that are declaring it a dud, when as mentioned the models have been in flux the entire time and everyone (despite the claim that it's all for ratings) has said so from the very beginning...what are their qualifications?
We obviously need to address the science education we're offering in public schools. The fact that some people in the state of Oklahoma can't recognize the value of preparation before a storm...I just can't accept that.
bradh 12-06-2018, 01:54 PM State of emergency declared for all 77 counties. Sure seems to be a bit premature.
https://www.koco.com/article/state-of-emergency-declared-for-77-oklahoma-counties-ahead-of-winter-storm/25426173
I'd think that in a state that experiences it's fair share of severe weather, more would understand that the reason these "state of emergencies" are declared are to get the process rolling in case of disaster.
Celebrator 12-06-2018, 02:09 PM I'd think that in a state that experiences it's fair share of severe weather, more would understand that the reason these "state of emergencies" are declared are to get the process rolling in case of disaster.
Right, it has nothing to do with an actual state of emergency as reality--it's a technical term in this usage. As I understand it, it is simply all about officially qualifying a situation for government funds to help with whatever the needs are related to this storm.
Celebrator 12-06-2018, 02:12 PM Not to people who know what ice on roads means. Really, I don't understand this rush to discount it. Nobody I know is agreeing with it. These other sites that are declaring it a dud, when as mentioned the models have been in flux the entire time and everyone (despite the claim that it's all for ratings) has said so from the very beginning...what are their qualifications?
We obviously need to address the science education we're offering in public schools. The fact that some people in the state of Oklahoma can't recognize the value of preparation before a storm...I just can't accept that.
Stick with Anon's discussion about it here and of course try this site...no hype, just the best shot at forecasting by the best folks in the business https://www.weather.gov/oun/
Anonymous. 12-06-2018, 03:08 PM 18Z NAM is loaded in. Continued the trend from this morning in pushing the track further south. This alteration in track is resulting in a less "deep" storm and the upper level low not pulling down the cold air it was forecast to do earlier. Currently our storm is just coming onshore over Los Angeles and is moving very slow.
I will update tonight with graphics as we will have some very high-def short range models to view and we will see where we are trending. But for now less ice (almost none), less snow, and a track of the heaviest snow further south.
Freezing drizzle and rain patches are possible heading into dark Friday night, but at this point - the bulk of heavier precipitation will take place after 3am.
kukblue1 12-06-2018, 03:25 PM 18Z NAM is loaded in. Continued the trend from this morning in pushing the track further south. This alteration in track is resulting in a less "deep" storm and the upper level low not pulling down the cold air it was forecast to do earlier. Currently our storm is just coming onshore over Los Angeles and is moving very slow.
I will update tonight with graphics as we will have some very high-def short range models to view and we will see where we are trending. But for now less ice (almost none), less snow, and a track of the heaviest snow further south.
Freezing drizzle and rain patches are possible heading into dark Friday night, but at this point - the bulk of heavier precipitation will take place after 3am.
The weather forecasters and tv people are praying to god at this point. If we see 2 inches they might be able to save themselves. :)
Ian Drake 12-06-2018, 03:53 PM General populace: 1. Weather hype machine: 0. Score for the good guys!!
OKCRT 12-06-2018, 04:20 PM Kinda hoping for a foot of snow in OKC.
Ian Drake 12-06-2018, 06:57 PM So with this colossal forecast bust, what are the real conditions for Saturday going to be Anon? 60 and sunny? That's what I'll call it. I am so thankful that I did not contribute to the milk and bread profiteering scheme currently going on.
jn1780 12-06-2018, 08:05 PM I haven't really noticed meteorologist freaking over this event. Its not their fault the herd has access to information 24/7 and freak out 5 days before an event happens (They do their job and give an analysis on models and they get called fear mongers, go figure. Don't know how long it will take people to realize that you can't forecast any significant weather events that far into the future. F5 tornadoes, historic ice and wind storms, CAT 5 hurricanes, damaging straight line events are outliers and conditions have to be just right to occur. There still is a decent amount of snow forecast for Saturday, nothing historic.
Maybe its time for people to stop watching extended forecasts if they don't understand the science/art behind forecasting.
okatty 12-06-2018, 08:58 PM ^I don’t disagree with much of this, but they were absolutely freaking out early in the week, comparing it to the 2009 Xmas storm, etc. They get some hype blame.
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