I don’t like One America News. Grundy does and is now lying. You would have to believe his previous praise of OAN was just a figment of his imagination the couple of other times he’s praised the network. Here, check this out, from just April(!) ... the link for the full story I’ll put at the end, but here’s a screenshot of the part that shows good and well he knows what OANN is all about. I’m sure he was told to walk it all back or OSU would lose recruits. What do you think the explanation could be? Does he think we’re stupid? Stand by your convictions! Whatever they may be.

I think it is very likely the Gundy is apologizing because he got caught, not because he's had a change of heart. My point was sometimes it's OK to be offended by someone else's opinion if their opinion is flat out wrong.

We'll lets see, Men's basketball team gets hammered by the NCAA.

Football coach goes fishing' in an OAN shirt.

Story from 1989 resurfaces where he supposedly called an opposing player (who would go on to play in the NFL) a racial slur after he was sacked. Remember how good that CO team was that year. They had the ghost of Sal.

Sam Mayes (also played in the NFL) claims he was told to "get his black ass back in the huddle" during practice.

I'd say this hasn't been a good month for "America's Brightest Orange."

Remember that controversial SI story about the football program a few years ago? Now go back and read it.

I think it is very likely the Gundy is apologizing because he got caught, not because he's had a change of heart. My point was sometimes it's OK to be offended by someone else's opinion if their opinion is flat out wrong.

And as for that, I agree completely! Hubbard daring to challenge his head coach publicly - at all - and get away with it...wow, have times changed. And all over a t-shirt that the kid was offended by.

Shadow — you are SO right. Bad month for Grundy.
Oh! Yes, that SI article. Well, Boone was still around.$

I wonder if Gundy now has to clear his wardrobe with the players each day.

Remember that controversial SI story about the football program a few years ago? Now go back and read it.

What article are you referring to? I am new to Oklahoma and would like to read it.

What article are you referring to? I am new to Oklahoma and would like to read it.

Here you go...
https://www.si.com/college/2013/09/10/oklahoma-state-special-report-archive
It was a 5 part series. All the links are on the page at the link.

We'll lets see, Men's basketball team gets hammered by the NCAA.

Football coach goes fishing' in an OAN shirt.

Story from 1989 resurfaces where he supposedly called an opposing player (who would go on to play in the NFL) a racial slur after he was sacked. Remember how good that CO team was that year. They had the ghost of Sal.

Sam Mayes (also played in the NFL) claims he was told to "get his black ass back in the huddle" during practice.

I'd say this hasn't been a good month for "America's Brightest Orange."

Remember that controversial SI story about the football program a few years ago? Now go back and read it.

Is there anything in SI’s “The Dirty Game” piece that connects to Gundy’s recent controversies in some way?

And the Times denied the Holocust (and won awards for it). Your point?

First, whataboutism is not a defense of OAN, which is not a credible news source. Second, source? I’ve studied the Holocaust pretty deeply and the Times reported on the Holocaust early on. Their coverage—like most U.S. papers—was buried too deep in their pages. And that does not have anything to do with OAN. Please stop with the whataboutism tactic. It’s intellectually lazy.

Regarding the U.S. response to the Holocaust... While the U.S. liberated concentration camps, we are complicit in the death of hundreds of thousands of Holocaust victims because of anti-Semitic State Department bureaucrats, namely Breckenridge Long. Most people don’t realize how deeply anti-Semitic the US was, especially before WWII. I highly recommend these sources if you’d like to learn more about this critical topic:
— Documentary: https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/films/holocaust/
— Book: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Abandonment_of_the_Jews:_America_and_the_Holoc aust,_1941-1945
— Book (addresses all genocide responses): https://www.amazon.com/Problem-Hell-America-Age-Genocide/dp/1455879991

Is there anything in SI’s “The Dirty Game” piece that connects to Gundy’s recent controversies in some way?
No, he's just an OU fan trolling. And the SI piece was investigated thoroughly and nothing came of it. The only thing the NCAA found was that the Orange Pride program was ran through the athletics department rather than the university. So OSU fixed that.

The SI piece was a sham. It was a couple disgruntled former players with an axe to grind and the writer was, shockingly, an OU grad.

No, he's just an OU fan trolling. And the SI piece was investigated thoroughly and nothing came of it. The only thing the NCAA found was that the Orange Pride program was ran through the athletics department rather than the university. So OSU fixed that.

The SI piece was a sham. It was a couple disgruntled former players with an axe to grind and the writer was, shockingly, an OU grad.

I'd say this all speaks a lot to the culture of the athletic dept. in Stilly.

I still remember people talking about that CO game 30 years ago. It's not that little incident was a secret.

My question is...how is he going to recruit now?

I liked the days when the players just “Shut up and played.”

Dudes these days front like they bad, but most of them are Sissies when you get right down to it.

“Oh, you’re into Cancel Culture? Cool, we just canceled your Scholarship.”

I'd say this all speaks a lot to the culture of the athletic dept. in Stilly.

I still remember people talking about that CO game 30 years ago. It's not that little incident was a secret.

My question is...how is he going to recruit now?
I think recruiting to OSU just got harder than it already was. For this one aspect of the situation I am very happy!

I liked the days when the players just “Shut up and played.”

Dudes these days front like they bad, but most of them are Sissies when you get right down to it.

“Oh, you’re into Cancel Culture? Cool, we just canceled your Scholarship.”

Nice Black players are to be exploited, not have opinions take. Pathetic.

Nice Black players are to be exploited, not have opinions take. Pathetic.

I didn’t say anything about black players. You’re the one adding race into the equation, Bud.

Pathetic, but not unexpected.

I liked the days when the players just “Shut up and played.”

Dudes these days front like they bad, but most of them are Sissies when you get right down to it.

“Oh, you’re into Cancel Culture? Cool, we just canceled your Scholarship.”

These are living, breathing real people who are bright and should enjoy all the benefits of being a US citizen. They are not owned by the school, coach, or the fans and not obligated to give up their conscience and voice in order to play a game.

Cancer culture is a trendy cute label, but frankly, if we can cancel out the honoring of people or institutions in the world that oppressed and abused innocent people and/or fought against the government of the United States, I’m all for it. Unfortunately we can’t cancel the evil they did. And we don’t cancel the memory of that evil. We retain the facts in properly reported history for all to learn and hopefully not to repeat. We just don’t have to idolize it.

It’s time we start thinking of our sports participants as free people.

Let’s talk sports, please.

I think the only true “shut up and play” era was 1946-55. The decade following WW 2 featured an inordinate amount of college students (and athletes) who were older than the norm and had military experience. From the 1960s onward there have been discussions and individuality from athletes on a regular basis.

We can complain about young people all we want. Old people always have and always will. But that does not recruit them to our colleges and universities.

I liked the days when the players just “Shut up and played.”

Dudes these days front like they bad, but most of them are Sissies when you get right down to it.

“Oh, you’re into Cancel Culture? Cool, we just canceled your Scholarship.”

I totally agree. And furthermore I think OSU should use that extensively in their recruiting process.

I'd say this all speaks a lot to the culture of the athletic dept. in Stilly.

I still remember people talking about that CO game 30 years ago. It's not that little incident was a secret.

My question is...how is he going to recruit now?

Just watch. Recruiting won't change unless something new comes out.. As far as l'm concerned, as an OU fan, he erred wearing the OAN shirt. Sometimes people simply need to just be aware that delving into anything political is simply a mine field.

As far as what 2 NFL players claim he said 30 years ago is just babble unless there is documentation from back then. Anyone can claim anything about anyone.

I totally agree. And furthermore I think OSU should use that extensively in their recruiting process.

LOL. I see what you did there.

Just watch. Recruiting won't change unless something new comes out.. As far as l'm concerned, as an OU fan, he erred wearing the OAN shirt. Sometimes people simply need to just be aware that delving into anything political is simply a mine field.

As far as what 2 NFL players claim he said 30 years ago is just babble unless there is documentation from back then. Anyone can claim anything about anyone.

I think the word has already been out there. And, it's not the people reading this board who matter in this issue, it's the African American kids they are trying to convince to come to their school rather than somewhere else.

This is an innocent observation: it seems to me that these missteps are gonna make it hard to believe that Lincoln Riley isn’t gonna be farther ahead in getting into the living room of any top recruit. Mike Gundy has done a good job of recruiting the older part of the fan base with his OANN endorsement in April, and T shirt photo. I think he’s gonna have to work extra hard to recruit over it

Just watch. Recruiting won't change unless something new comes out.. As far as l'm concerned, as an OU fan, he erred wearing the OAN shirt. Sometimes people simply need to just be aware that delving into anything political is simply a mine field.

As far as what 2 NFL players claim he said 30 years ago is just babble unless there is documentation from back then. Anyone can claim anything about anyone.
FYI, Sam Mayes played four seasons (2001-2004) and was an all-American.

More importantly, he is a graduate of Oklahoma State University.

Here's some good OSU news today:
"Potential No. 1 NBA draft pick Cade Cunningham announced Monday that he is sticking with his commitment to Oklahoma State despite the NCAA giving the Cowboys a postseason ban for next season."

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/29347312/top-recruit-cade-cunningham-going-oklahoma-state-postseason-ban

More good news for OSU:

The Eddie Sutton documentary got picked up by ESPN:

https://twitter.com/eddiesuttonfilm/status/1275125120504340480?s=20

UPDATE: The making and creation of this film has been an incredible journey. Our team is so proud of what we have accomplished. It’s with great pride that today we can officially announce that we've signed a primetime deal with ESPN!!! #EddieFilm (more details to follow soon)

More good news for OSU:

The Eddie Sutton documentary got picked up by ESPN:

https://twitter.com/eddiesuttonfilm/status/1275125120504340480?s=20

UPDATE: The making and creation of this film has been an incredible journey. Our team is so proud of what we have accomplished. It’s with great pride that today we can officially announce that we've signed a primetime deal with ESPN!!! #EddieFilm (more details to follow soon)

really depends on how it is covered /filmed ... it could be pretty dark

Here's some good OSU news today:
"Potential No. 1 NBA draft pick Cade Cunningham announced Monday that he is sticking with his commitment to Oklahoma State despite the NCAA giving the Cowboys a postseason ban for next season."

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/29347312/top-recruit-cade-cunningham-going-oklahoma-state-postseason-ban

makes sense. wouldn't want Big Brother to lose that cush job.

really depends on how it is covered /filmed ... it could be pretty dark

I would be hard pressed to see how a dark version of the Eddie Sutton story would be produced with the hope of being picked up by ESPN, or anyone else.

I would be hard pressed to see how a dark version of the Eddie Sutton story would be produced with the hope of being picked up by ESPN, or anyone else.Well, let’s see. Sutton’s accomplishments were overshadowed by his issues for years keeping him out of the hall of fame until this year so obviously to many the negatives outweigh the positives.

At least Gundy's son was setting a good example for his dad. He was wearing an OSU shirt.

https://sports.yahoo.com/chuba-hubbard-mike-gundy-oklahoma-state-debacle-225734236.html

there are some interesting claims made by players.

https://sports.yahoo.com/chuba-hubbard-mike-gundy-oklahoma-state-debacle-225734236.html

there are some interesting claims made by players.

To be fair the author of that piece was also the author of the SI article which many felt was unsubstantiated hit piece on OSU. Take it with a grain of salt.

To be fair the author of that piece was also the author of the SI article which many felt was unsubstantiated hit piece on OSU. Take it with a grain of salt.

The writer that most people took issue with in the SI piece was Thayer Evans,

The writer that most people took issue with in the SI piece was Thayer Evans,

You're right. I was mistaken. That's what I get for trying to stick up for OSU :p

You're right. I was mistaken. That's what I get for trying to stick up for OSU :p

For what it's worth, I've been an OSU fan my entire life, and I've had problems with Gundy for some time. I'm glad this is coming to light.

I read on Awful Announcing yesterday that ESPN has been working with OSU for many weeks, or months, on a series devoted to coach Gundy and Oklahoma State. It is slated for ESPN+ as part of their deal with the Big12, and is described that it will "mirror" the "Miles To Go" series. That was a multi part program on ESPN+ which followed Les Miles as he took the Kansas HC job, and provided enhanced access into his personal and professional life during the season. I'm gonna suggest that they were working the angle of the "maverick" Mike Gundy, and got caught up in the social upheaval of the last couple months. That took the endorsement of OAN in April (and the shirt a few weeks later) from "goofy" to toxic.

I think this deal had a role in ESPN picking up the Eddie Sutton documentary.

Eddie Sutton documentary airing Monday at 8pm on ESPN.


https://vimeo.com/431992944

I don’t think the Documentary is going to be very “dark” based on the commercial.

https://vimeo.com/431992944

Eddie Sutton documentary airing Monday at 8pm on ESPN.


https://vimeo.com/431992944

I don’t think the Documentary is going to be very “dark” based on the commercial.

https://vimeo.com/431992944
It's not going to be dark. That was just an OU fan being an OU fan.

Also, after the Eddie documentary airs, ESPN is showing a documentary on Bryant "Big Country" Reeves.

The writer that most people took issue with in the SI piece was Thayer Evans,

that’s a name I haven’t heard in awhile!

Thought I’d remind y’all that ‘Eddie’ airs on ESPN tonight at 8 pm CDT.

that’s a name I haven’t heard in awhile!

It's a name I had tried to forget.

Thought I’d remind y’all that ‘Eddie’ airs on ESPN tonight at 8 pm CDT.

And the documentary on Big Country airs on Wednesday at 7

If you weren't able to catch 'Eddie', you should really go watch it on ESPN Plus. It's very good and tells a complete story about his career. Parts of it are eye-opening. As Sean Sutton said, you can't tell the good without the bad.

really depends on how it is covered /filmed ... it could be pretty dark

I recorded it and have watched it a couple times. I was wrong in my original reply. it is dark. Very good, but the majority is about struggle and failure, IMO.

Interesting development here: https://www.tulsaworld.com/sports/college/osu/osu-coach-mike-gundy-accepts-1-million-pay-cut-other-contract-adjustments/article_8441ccd6-d18c-59f7-8e6c-9ef9ae000eda.html


During a 40-minute Zoom conference with media members on Friday, Oklahoma State athletic director Mike Holder reported that football coach Mike Gundy voluntarily has accepted a $1 million pay cut.

Interesting development here: https://www.tulsaworld.com/sports/college/osu/osu-coach-mike-gundy-accepts-1-million-pay-cut-other-contract-adjustments/article_8441ccd6-d18c-59f7-8e6c-9ef9ae000eda.html

Still a lot of money to be paid for not winning any games in 2020-21.

Just heard that Oregon State won't be coming to Stillwater early in the season. We moved out west for a few years and I became familiar with Oregon State. Maybe it'll get better by October. Let's do it on Halloween!!! Orange and black versus orange and black.

Just heard that Oregon State won't be coming to Stillwater early in the season. We moved out west for a few years and I became familiar with Oregon State. Maybe it'll get better by October. Let's do it on Halloween!!! Orange and black versus orange and black.

Maybe in 2021. PAC 12 cancelled all non conference games for 2020 season.

Just heard that Oregon State won't be coming to Stillwater early in the season. We moved out west for a few years and I became familiar with Oregon State. Maybe it'll get better by October. Let's do it on Halloween!!! Orange and black versus orange and black.

The Oklahoman had a good headline this morning. OreGone State

Maybe in 2021. PAC 12 cancelled all non conference games for 2020 season.

Along with, I believe, the ACC and the Big 10. If I heard right. That will make a disaster of the college football season if there actually is one. I’m getting less confident that there will be a season every week.

Along with, I believe, the ACC and the Big 10. If I heard right. That will make a disaster of the college football season if there actually is one. I’m getting less confident that there will be a season every week.

If any conferences will make sure they have a season it is the SEC and Big 12. If they fold then there is no chance for football. I think they should have just moved it to spring. I, for one, would love not having any 100 degree games in September for once.

If any conferences will make sure they have a season it is the SEC and Big 12. If they fold then there is no chance for football. I think they should have just moved it to spring. I, for one, would love not having any 100 degree games in September for once.
Yeah. And as odd as spring football would be I think there would be a better chance of having a closer to normal schedule.

Smart move because everyone knows the coronavirus only spreads during non conference games. When conference play happens it goes away.

Smart move because everyone knows the coronavirus only spreads during non conference games. When conference play happens it goes away.
The concern of the conferences is that while they can control the testing, containment and cleanliness of their schools they can’t control those things in non-conference schools. Especially the smaller schools that many non-con games are.

The concern of the conferences is that while they can control the testing, containment and cleanliness of their schools they can’t control those things in non-conference schools. Especially the smaller schools that many non-con games are.
I was making a joke.

But it doesn't matter because once regular students get back on campus and start mingling with the athletes you can't control it anymore. The entire season is going to be cancelled and anyone who thinks otherwise is living in fantasy land. You can thank the people who refuse to wear and a mask and socially distance themselves for the cancellation.

I was making a joke.

But it doesn't matter because once regular students get back on campus and start mingling with the athletes you can't control it anymore. The entire season is going to be cancelled and anyone who thinks otherwise is living in fantasy land. You can thank the people who refuse to wear and a mask and socially distance themselves for the cancellation.
I was hoping you were. I agree that there’s really very little chance that there’s a college football season. In the grand scheme of things it would probably be better.

I was making a joke.

But it doesn't matter because once regular students get back on campus and start mingling with the athletes you can't control it anymore. The entire season is going to be cancelled and anyone who thinks otherwise is living in fantasy land. You can thank the people who refuse to wear and a mask and socially distance themselves for the cancellation.

Wait, why are we thanking those people?

I was making a joke.

But it doesn't matter because once regular students get back on campus and start mingling with the athletes you can't control it anymore. The entire season is going to be cancelled and anyone who thinks otherwise is living in fantasy land. You can thank the people who refuse to wear and a mask and socially distance themselves for the cancellation.

Everybody on campus at OSU is supposed to wear a mask. If masks really work, then they will work.

Everybody on campus at OSU is supposed to wear a mask. If masks really work, then they will work.

They do not work, I wore a mask since covid started and I still got the virus

They do not work, I wore a mask since covid started and I still got the virus

Again. Masks stop you from giving it to others. So thank you for wearing one. You might have stopped yourself from giving it to others. Sorry others aren't as careful.

Wasn't part of the idea behind having only conference play an attempt to minimize long distance travel? Which I guess was upsetting some of the Big 10, something about Iowa and Iowa State not being in the same conference, which seems odd. I don't follow college football so maybe someone can elucidate if distances are truly shorter between conference schools?