I didn't realize the Pivot Project has only closed on the portion of the property highlighted below.

I suspect they have the remainder under contract and are trying to flip it; I'm sure that was the plan with Pappadeaux.

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Report in the Oklahoman that Guernsey plans to build a mass timber building, and hopes there will be an adjacent rail stop if commuter rail ever happens.

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I like it!

eh, looks cheap, they could do better. If its designed by the same agency who designed the mass timer First United bank in Moore, it might turnout alright.

Very Cool!!

Moreover, mass timber buildings don't last, and plus we are in Oklahoma with high winds, this is a cheap route. Nothing is better than good old concrete and steel.

Neat

Moreover, mass timber buildings don't last, and plus we are in Oklahoma with high winds, this is a cheap route. Nothing is better than good old concrete and steel.

It works in Chicago. You know, the Windy City? We always want people to build something that looks different. Someone finally does, and it get poo-poo'd.

It works in Chicago. You know, the Windy City? We always want people to build something that looks different. Someone finally does, and it get poo-poo'd.

Windy City nickname isn't really about actual physical wind, OKC's average windspeed is probably more than Chicago's (I'm too lazy to look it up).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windy_City_(nickname)

Fun fact: The Citizen was originally planned to be mass timber.

There is a 25-story building on Milwaukee's windy lakefront made of timber.

Windy City nickname isn't really about actual physical wind, OKC's average windspeed is probably more than Chicago's (I'm too lazy to look it up).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windy_City_(nickname)

Touche. Good point.

Either way, a 4 story building isn't going to be affected by wind much, if at all. I like the look of the building.

Moreover, mass timber buildings don't last, and plus we are in Oklahoma with high winds, this is a cheap route. Nothing is better than good old concrete and steel.

If it were "cheap," we'd see a lot more of it than steel and concrete! Back when I was in architecture school it was called "heavy timber," and we learned that it could have a better fire-rating than steel... I remember seeing a picture of large, steel I-Beams draped over wood beams like limp spaghetti. During a fire they had failed and landed on the mass timber beams below. The timber is protected by it's own charred exterior and lasts much longer in a fire than unprotected steel.

AI Overview: While considered a sustainable building material, mass timber faces challenges related to potential water damage from moisture exposure, susceptibility to insect infestations like termites, concerns about fire safety if not properly treated, potential cost issues due to its newer technology, and the need for specialized expertise in construction and design to manage its unique properties effectively; additionally, the supply chain and availability of mass timber can pose limitations depending on location.

AI Overview: While considered a sustainable building material, mass timber faces challenges related to potential water damage from moisture exposure, susceptibility to insect infestations like termites, concerns about fire safety if not properly treated, potential cost issues due to its newer technology, and the need for specialized expertise in construction and design to manage its unique properties effectively; additionally, the supply chain and availability of mass timber can pose limitations depending on location.

Who cares what AI thinks.

AI Overview: While considered a sustainable building material, mass timber faces challenges related to potential water damage from moisture exposure, susceptibility to insect infestations like termites, concerns about fire safety if not properly treated, potential cost issues due to its newer technology, and the need for specialized expertise in construction and design to manage its unique properties effectively; additionally, the supply chain and availability of mass timber can pose limitations depending on location.

Yeah, because an engineering and consulting company like Guernsey won't get treated wood for their building.

I get it, you want to hate this, because it's in OKC. If this were in Dallas, you'd be gushing. But mass timber is used around the country and world, so please stop this thinking.

I never said I hated this, go back and read my first post, and I quote:

"eh, looks cheap, they could do better. If its designed by the same agency who designed the mass timber First United bank in Moore, it might turnout alright."

so please quit reaching.

This just made me more excited for the prospect of regional rail. Is this the first project to show renderings of it?

Yeah, because an engineering and consulting company like Guernsey won't get treated wood for their building.

I get it, you want to hate this, because it's in OKC. If this were in Dallas, you'd be gushing. But mass timber is used around the country and world, so please stop this thinking.

I was about to say, I think an A&E firm can probably figure out the details, but you beat me to it. The building looks cool (as long as there isn't any confidential information near the windows)... would rather it be some place cool, like Chisholm Creek, though.

We are getting off subject but downtown okc is cooler than some upscale rest area along the turnpike.
Of course, it is only my opinion and purely subjective.

If you think Chisholm Creek is cool wait til you see Westgate Marketplace

If you think Chisholm Creek is cool wait til you see Westgate Marketplace

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Well, there is the Applebees !

https://www.velocityokc.com/blog/development/mixed-use-development-alley-north-to-transform-oklahoma-city-s-midtown-area/?back=super_blog

Not much new in here. Just can't wait to see this development take shape! I love mass timber buildings, and Guernsey's looks great!

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Sooooo ready for all of that land to be filled in! Shame that there won’t be a mid-rise just to the west to accompany this project anymore but this is still a great improvement for the area.

Sooooo ready for all of that land to be filled in! Shame that there won’t be a mid-rise just to the west to accompany this project anymore but this is still a great improvement for the area.

Yes, the site of what was to be The Hub has an "available" sign on it. It sure seems that project is dead.

Didn't St. Luke's also have big plans to expand their daycare operations with a bunch of new buildings on 14th as well?

Didn't St. Luke's also have big plans to expand their daycare operations with a bunch of new buildings on 14th as well?

I go to St. Lukes and know a lot of the leaders and haven't heard anything lately. I didn't realize they owned not only the parking lots to the north (15th and Robinson), south (SE/C of 14th and Harvey) and west (NW/C of 14th and Harvey), but also the parking lot directly north of Harvey Bakery. I was always under the assumption that property was owned by Pivot's LLC that redeveloped the property.

St Luke’s floated the expansion plan for 14th st by the planning commission. It was not well received by the commissioners! A lot of possible changes and revisions were suggested with no real buy in that even then, that the project would have received approvals. So the plan died on the vine.

Has all the land been acquired by all the necessary parties? I'm really excited for this, and to see Guernsey's new building!