We were discussing this in another thread so wanted to add the specifics to the OKC BikeWalk Master Plan (https://www.okc.gov/departments/planning/current-projects/bike-walk-okc).

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How does the city define "protected bike lane"? Actually protected or just lines painted on the street?

How does the city define "protected bike lane"? Actually protected or just lines painted on the street?

I believe it is just painted lanes.

Which is at least better than the "sharrow" bike markings which are basically worthless.

Worthless and not swept. I live in uptown paseo just north of 23rd and there’s litter, car parts, screws, and multiple other hazards that just cause me to put my bikes in the truck and head to the boathouse district. A viable path between the massive hoods to the north and west of the CBD there is not. And mesta -HH is taking the stance of a gated community to keep people out with their stop sign campaign. I break the law about 8 times in both directions just to ride to work. This sort of ties into the bird disction, but do you really expect someone to come to a complete stop while cycling uphill on walker or Robinson while they’re already winded in 100 degree heat?

An update to our laws to adopt the Idaho stop would be great... http://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/blogs/stateline/2018/03/27/why-its-illegal-to-roll-through-stop-signs-on-your-bike-for-now

Agreed. Not to be inflammatory but most every person who makes the argument for “one road. One rule.” Does not ride a bike. Even those who ride for fun and exercise like myself don’t know what it’s like to rely on a bike for transport.

Pete. I like the bike plan on post #1. Is that part of the OKC comprehensive plan by Aubrey Hammontree? I can’t pretend to say I’ve read the whole thing but I’ve skimmed it and like what I see.

Motorist get so outraged over someone on a bike not coming to a full stop yet almost no car does it either and somehow that is different.

It's just a dog whistle for people who don't like cyclists on 'their' road.

I believe it is just painted lanes.

Which is at least better than the "sharrow" bike markings which are basically worthless.

Agreed, it's better than nothing or putting up "share the road signs". But still a long way from being truly protected. If we want our citizens to ride their bikes more and take advantage of the cycling infrastructure they need the feel of safety. A painted line (while a greatly appreciated addition) on a major street like Robinson or Santa Fe is not going to make people feel safe.

Googling images for "protected bike lanes" produces a lot of safe options and ideas: https://www.google.com/search?q=protected+bike+lanes&rlz=1C1GGRV_enUS768US768&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwientyBt9vcAhVPX60KHS1MCvcQ_AUICygC&biw=2133&bih=1047

How does the city define "protected bike lane"? Actually protected or just lines painted on the street?

Separated by a buffer at the very least as evidenced by the new lanes painted on 4th street but I seem to recall that protected lanes will also include vertical delineators.

Here is a link to the actual master plan: https://okc.gov/home/showdocument?id=11287

Page 50 and 51 show criteria that determine when Sharrows, Non-protected lanes, protected lanes, and seperate facilities are recommended. Idk if the city will follow these recommendations but Protected bike lanes are definitely on the radar

Here is a link to the actual master plan: https://okc.gov/home/showdocument?id=11287

Page 50 and 51 show criteria that determine when Sharrows, Non-protected lanes, protected lanes, and seperate facilities are recommended. Idk if the city will follow these recommendations but Protected bike lanes are definitely on the radar

That's encouraging. Thanks!

Freshly painted and striped on 4th st.149691497014971

I don't have pics, but there are re-striped bike lanes on sheridan as well, with a lane that slips behind the platform in front of the Cox center. There is also a bike ramp that was constructed at the corner of Sheridan and EK gaylord to accommodate a perpendicular track crossing.

4th/Robinson (on 4th) bike lane goes BEHIND the streetcar stop, which will be interesting to see in action...
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4th/Robinson (on 4th) bike lane goes BEHIND the streetcar stop, which will be interesting to see in action...
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This will cause problems. Instead of the bicyclist remaining on the street and waiting for the streetcar, they're routed over low-traction bumps and into a series of sharp turns with poor sight lines, into a band between the platform and sidewalk where boarding/unboarding passengers will be walking.

Where else would it go?? (also goes behind the stop on sheridan) I agree that it's not 100% ideal but it's a step in the right direction. Can we not be at least a little bit excited for these new bike lanes? sheesh lol..

Wasn't complaining just pointing out

I’ve seen it done this way I’m various cities. It’s fine.

Oh yeah, more use of the green lane painting standard for bike lanes. I love it.

The bike lanes on the streets are terrific, but this "solution" is not. Instead of having cyclists momentarily wait behind the streetcar, they are routed over bumps and a painted surface, around the platform, through passengers/pedestrians, and then back onto the street, looking over their left shoulder to see if the streetcar has begun moving again, or if a car has passed it, while avoiding the track which will cause an accident. It is truly a much more hazardous alternative than waiting behind the streetcar.

Completely disagree. Co-mingling with the track with it's bike tire sized grooves near a platform, while simultaneously having to merge with cars and avoid or wait on a streetcar seems far more dangerous than a dedicated and separate bike path, clearly marked as such, that crosses (but doesn't merge with) a sidewalk twice.

The bike lanes on the streets are terrific, but this "solution" is not. Instead of having cyclists momentarily wait behind the streetcar, they are routed over bumps and a painted surface, around the platform, through passengers/pedestrians, and then back onto the street, looking over their left shoulder to see if the streetcar has begun moving again, or if a car has passed it, while avoiding the track which will cause an accident. It is truly a much more hazardous alternative than waiting behind the streetcar.

I guess you can wait behind it, and if someone feels like they are okay on the detour they can take that.

The bike lanes on the streets are terrific, but this "solution" is not. Instead of having cyclists momentarily wait behind the streetcar, they are routed over bumps and a painted surface, around the platform, through passengers/pedestrians, and then back onto the street, looking over their left shoulder to see if the streetcar has begun moving again, or if a car has passed it, while avoiding the track which will cause an accident. It is truly a much more hazardous alternative than waiting behind the streetcar.

I don't think the tactile domes should be there, but I think the rest of the solution is good practice. Downtown riders are typically riding at a slower pace, and will be able to foresee the pedestrian interaction that may occur. As you may have seen in Dutch cycling videos/movies, the pedestrian/urban cyclist mix is a ballet of sorts. People figure it out, and the lower speed of the cyclists enables more eye contact with all urban users.

Why would the cyclists need to wait behind a streetcar or be looking for it when passing the station? Is the bike lane not separate and between the streetcar and sidewalk after the station?

^^it is separate. They won't have to wait on the streetcar or watch for it, which was my point.

Here’s something we could do here: https://www.bbc.com/news/av/stories-45940844/the-city-that-gives-you-free-beer-for-cycling

Anybody see this picture here? https://twitter.com/cityofokc/status/1054853687762345984

My question: is this bike lane leading to more bike lane that just hasn't been painted yet? Or is this leading to a parking area (double white lines on the left hand side)? Looks too narrow to be parking, but I hadn't noticed the double white lines used for anything other than streetcar path parking, and hadn't seen them as part of the other bike lane pictures.

We were just talking about this upthread. From the double lines to the curb on both sides of the street on 4th are/will be protected bike lanes. They will stretch from walker to gaylord.

As a local serious rider, the city could pave the bad sections of Walker, between 23rd and 50th, and from midtown south to the river, giving a nice corridor including the Paseo, 23rd, Midtown, downtown, the new park, and river trails.

As a local serious rider, the city could pave the bad sections of Walker, between 23rd and 50th, and from midtown south to the river, giving a nice corridor including the Paseo, 23rd, Midtown, downtown, the new park, and river trails.

@Mott, that’s a great idea. There are several group rides every week on Walker, originating from Sauced on Paseo, Holey Rollers, Pizzeria Gusto and Big Truck Tacos. Non-cyclists may not be aware of the cycling thoroughfare that Walker has become.

I believe walker was identified as the N/S corridor for the future protected bike network. I hope they repave where needed as part of the process.

Does anybody know when the Deep Fork Creek Trial will start as part of the 2007 Go Bond (the red trail in the map)?

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Looks like the Priority 2 project for the first phase of bike lanes on S Walker is close to completion. Except for the section between SW 59th St and SW 66th St, due to a storm sewer replacement project, the City has completely resurfaced Walker from I-40 all the way down to SW 89th St and re-striped everything. Walker was put on a road diet from the bridge over I-40 all the way south to SW Grand Blvd, and now consists of a separate bike lane on each side, one lane for vehicle traffic in each direction, and a center turn lane. Despite the loss of vehicle lanes, it feels like traffic flows much better now than before - and especially between Commerce and SW 29th St, the road feels safer as the remaining vehicle lane is wider than it used to be through here. The bike lanes have not yet been marked with green paint or bicycle symbols... not sure if that's coming soon or what. I also noticed one quirk... in front of each bus stop, the bike lane divider is dashed and buses are pulling over into the bike lane to pick up and drop off passengers. All that said, I'm hoping that the road diet is quickly extended down to I-240 once the storm sewer replacement project wraps up because traffic seems much calmer now and the road feels much safer.

I drove it yesterday and felt the same way about the flow... really liked it.

I also like that it slows the speeders down. It wasn't uncommon to have someone pass me like I was sitting still, when I was doing the speed limit, from 29th to Reno.... Then again the speeders may just cut over in the bike lane.... If they don't care about the speed limit signs I doubt they care about some striping either.

I drove it yesterday and felt the same way about the flow... really liked it.

I also like that it slows the speeders down. It wasn't uncommon to have someone pass me like I was sitting still, when I was doing the speed limit, from 29th to Reno.... Then again the speeders may just cut over in the bike lane.... If they don't care about the speed limit signs I doubt they care about some striping either.

As Tony Carfang said at one of the MAPS4 meetings, "Paint is not protection". :(

As Tony Carfang said at one of the MAPS4 meetings, "Paint is not protection". :(

Right and shortly after I dropped this comment yesterday. I went down Walker on my way home and had two cars go flying past 2 other cars, and myself, doing the speed limit trying to beat us to the bike lanes.