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This sign went up on the lot sometime in the past few days.

http://www.6100grand.com/

Yes, this is driven by architect Rick Brown (Gulfport Energy building and others) and I believe he's been in pre-sales mode for the last few months.

The property is still owned by Glimcher but suspect it is under contract to Brown.

It's a very ambitious / expensive project but probably bolstered by the Cumberland development north of NH Hill Plaza where those small lots are selling for $500K.

This would be directly north of Zoe's Kitchen and west of the proposed hotel, right?

This would be directly north of Zoe's Kitchen and west of the proposed hotel, right?

No, on the other side of Grand on the site of the old Kensington Apartments.

It's the one Glimcher property that abuts the Glenbrooks addition (home to the attorney that sued them unsuccessfully and other less-than- excited homeowners) and pretty much had to stay residential.

There was a similar project proposed by a builder a couple of years ago but then he backed out, no doubt not finding the necessary buying interest at the time. I suspect the market has improved since that time.

I had been sitting on this for awhile because the land sale never closed and I wasn't sure it was going to happen.

A sign going up is a positive step but there was also one for the previous development which never materialized.

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I love the renderings of the exterior, but a lot will depend on the (eventual) execution. It does feel like it will appear out of place here though.

They'd better hurry and get them sold before all of their potential clientele dies.

4 Sold and 2 Pending and it isn't even on the MLS. Interesting. I wonder if CHK has their hands in one or two of these as corporate housing.

No, on the other side of Grand on the site of the old Kensington Apartments.

It's the one Glimcher property that abuts the Glenbrooks addition (home to the attorney that sued them unsuccessfully and other less-than- excited homeowners) and pretty much had to stay residential.

There was a similar project proposed by a builder a couple of years ago but then he backed out, no doubt not finding the necessary buying interest at the time. I suspect the market has improved since that time.


This is different from the proposed apartment homes adjacent to the proposed hotel then.

So, there is a potential for townhomes and or apartments on either side of Grand here? That's awesome, I didn't realize that.

I think it would have been neat if the building curved with Grand Blvd.

CHK probably could have just downsizsed into fewer buildings (under the impression most local energy companies are way down on EE count) and turned the others into residential and have them online sooner....

This will totally fit in. It flows right into Nichols Hills.

I think many on here don’t realize what a great location the general area is.

They'd better hurry and get them sold before all of their potential clientele dies.
I guess you are implying that the area is only made up of old people. You’d probably be surprised at the young families buying high dollar properties in Nichols Hills, West Nichols Hills, and areas around.

I guess you are implying that the area is only made up of old people. You’d probably be surprised at the young families buying high dollar properties in Nichols Hills, West Nichols Hills, and areas around.
Nah. They’re the ones buying and ruining the historic homes.

I love these broad condescending statements.

Nah. They’re the ones buying and ruining the historic homes.

Ya know, funny thing about that, I work with A TON of Nichols Hills homeowners. The younger crowd LOVE the original NH homes. It's the older ones who are renovating. I hear the same thing over and over. The people in their 60's and 70's don't want to live in the same style they grew up in, meanwhile the younger homebuyers love all the original stuff.

I would gladly live in most of the surrounding housing stock of this area... But how does one obtain that level of income these days??

They'd better hurry and get them sold before all of their potential clientele dies.

That's what I love about these (septegenarians), man. I keep getting older, they stay the same age.

I would gladly live in most of the surrounding housing stock of this area... But how does one obtain that level of income these days??

Become a very good dentist, doctor, lawyer, oil company entrepreneur, etc. Or, climb the corporate ranks to c-suite at larger company. Become a top-notch salesman. Be the beneficiary of a well-off parent's estate (or a life insurance policy). Etc., etc., etc. Same as people have done for a long time.

Become a very good dentist, doctor, lawyer, oil company entrepreneur, etc. Or, climb the corporate ranks to c-suite at larger company. Become a top-notch salesman. Be the beneficiary of a well-off parent's estate (or a life insurance policy). Etc., etc., etc. Same as people have done for a long time.

or do it the old fashion way--- marry into it...

They'd better hurry and get them sold before all of their potential clientele dies.


lol

Ya know, funny thing about that, I work with A TON of Nichols Hills homeowners. The younger crowd LOVE the original NH homes. It's the older ones who are renovating. I hear the same thing over and over. The people in their 60's and 70's don't want to live in the same style they grew up in, meanwhile the younger homebuyers love all the original stuff.

What does the younger set think about Heritage Hills? Although expensive to maintain, it is OKC’s truly original stuff and in a very popular part of town.

What does the younger set think about Heritage Hills? Although expensive to maintain, it is OKC’s truly original stuff and in a very popular part of town.

They're moving in in droves. Young professional couples, some with kids, some not quite ready for kids. Lots of activity on the houses that need updating.

What does the younger set think about Heritage Hills? Although expensive to maintain, it is OKC’s truly original stuff and in a very popular part of town.

Exactly what turnpup above me said. More "younger" people are moving into Heritage Hills as well. I still see more of them in Nichols Hills and to a lesser extent Crown Heights. Nichols Hills has the whole municipality thing going for them, and better access to the Trifecta of private schools on Penn and Western.

What does the younger set think about Heritage Hills? Although expensive to maintain, it is OKC’s truly original stuff and in a very popular part of town.

I know any number of younger families who have bought and fixed up (in a great way), a number of houses between Shartel & Classen on the west side of HH. They love the neighborhood and use the porches and sidewalks extensively.

I guess you are implying that the area is only made up of old people. You’d probably be surprised at the young families buying high dollar properties in Nichols Hills, West Nichols Hills, and areas around.

Haha no...the first home I ever owned was only blocks from this, near Outabounds. I love this area.

The crack was tongue in cheek mostly; I know there will be a great market for these. It was mostly because of the heavy-handed traditional style of them (really I guess they are more Parisian row house than anything), which I associate closely with a rapidly-aging clientele. That said, I know French Chateau/French Provincial has also been trending with the new-money McMansion set over the past decade or so. I'm betting they'll find plenty of takers that fall somewhere between that group and the city's remaining nearly-dead, old-money empty-nesters. :)

All of this is again tongue-in-cheek; they look very very nice and back in the day I would have loved to have gotten the high-end trim orders or hardware/plumbing orders, depending on where I was working at the time. :D

I understand Urbanized. And, though I am one of those aging empty nesters living in the area, this isn’t my favorite style either. They need to be very high quality to pull it off.

Is this still on? Also what about the Classen Curve hotel?

They closed on the land purchase, so they are now committed.

Hotel still moving forward, just slowly.


They've started work on the new retail space where Mamasita's used to be. And I noticed Sur la Table is getting close to the finish.

Thank you Pete for the update! Glad to see this area building up.

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When is construction set to begin on this project Pete?

When is construction set to begin on this project Pete?

Only after they get enough pre-sales and I have no idea how that is going.

These units are very, very expensive.

Thanks for the updates Pete you always come through.

Thanks for the updates Pete you always come through.

You're more than welcome.

And questions on the site are a good reminder for me to follow up on things.

The mock-up alone looks like it cost 500K. lol

This project has started.

My understanding is they'll be doing most the site work and 1 of the proposed 3 buildings.

Lots going on in this area:

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Thanks for the update Pete. There is a lot going on here and I’m very excited to see these moving forward.

Any word on the office building at NW 63rd and Grand?

Any word on the office building at NW 63rd and Grand?

Completely dead.

Completely dead.
That’s the second time a nice office building was proposed here and then died.

Toured Grandmark this weekend... just a block away. It’s coming along nicely. Big improvement. Some are starting to sell.

This project is like a scrawny dude walking into a gym and seeing the body builder dead lift 300 pounds, then announcing to the girl he's with "I can do that too, just watch this!"

And just like that scrawny guy, these people can't get anything off the ground.

This project is like a scrawny dude walking into a gym and seeing the body builder dead lift 300 pounds, then announcing to the girl he's with "I can do that too, just watch this!"

And just like that scrawny guy, these people can't get anything off the ground.

This thread was literally brought back after a year to announce that it is in fact starting....

This project is like a scrawny dude walking into a gym and seeing the body builder dead lift 300 pounds, then announcing to the girl he's with "I can do that too, just watch this!"

And just like that scrawny guy, these people can't get anything off the ground.
Which project are you talking about? If it’s 6100, it’s moving forward, even with the current environment. Don’t know who you think the skinny guy is.

If that is the case, then I am sorely mistaken. My apologies to the forum. Funnily enough the last time I really saw this thread/heard news of it was sometime later last year but never really got much news outside of "Building is underway." As my father once said: Assumption is the mother of all screw-ups.

Of course his version is a little more explicit.

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Hope the material and craftsmanship really comes in with a high standard. I don't necessarily expect all the same detail and ornateness as 19th century European buildings these are emulating, but little touches can go a long way, and sparing expense on certain materials will certainly make this feel like a cheap knock-off.

Hope the material and craftsmanship really comes in with a high standard. I don't necessarily expect all the same detail and ornateness as 19th century European buildings these are emulating, but little touches can go a long way, and sparing expense on certain materials will certainly make this feel like a cheap knock-off.
Probably about what you would expect at $425-450 per square foot. Don't know what touch you are referring too, but Rick Brown is a good architect. You can go to their site (www.6100grand.com) and see renderings and features. Given a generally high level of expectation for NH, and considering the inventory of nicely done houses in NH, it will have to be well appointed to draw people away from single family home and into row homes. Given 3 are already sold, I'd guess they will be well done.

Hope the material and craftsmanship really comes in with a high standard. I don't necessarily expect all the same detail and ornateness as 19th century European buildings these are emulating, but little touches can go a long way, and sparing expense on certain materials will certainly make this feel like a cheap knock-off.

These are $1mm+ townhomes, they are not sparing any expense.

Home prices have gone way up in NH so I imagine the buyers will be people looking to cash in and then move into a new place that requires no maintenance or upkeep.

Certainly I think it will be a very nice development to have and regardless of quality of build the architectural style change of pace is refreshing. I think there's an automatic market of people who have a real connection to old world architecture (in contrast to the large amount of new construction going up in Nichol's Hills that is modern).

From an exterior perspective here's an example of a building that has just a gold mine of details/little touches. I can't imagine you could build this level of detail for anywhere near $425/sf, even with OKC's cheap land costs:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palais_Equitable

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I certainly wouldn't even dream of *that* standard for this project, but you don't have to cut out many ornaments from that before it looks like this building:

https://www.google.com/maps/@48.2082595,16.3704746,3a,75y,207.49h,121.94t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1soLbfST00i2fu3WZWy4kgIw!2e0!5s2 0190201T000000!7i13312!8i6656

And that building is still beautiful in its own right, but then you take some details away from that building and then it looks like this one:

https://www.google.com/maps/@48.1765013,16.373522,3a,75y,264.31h,119.52t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szIyYBUGZxA2yRn9cTNFOEQ!2e0!7i1 6384!8i8192

I wouldn't mind having a building like the last one in OKC at all, but it doesn't take a studied architect or builder to spot the difference in quality between all 3 of these buildings and it really comes down to materials and details. I do think because this type of architecture is basically non-existent in OKC it would be easy to settle for less ornament than $425/sf *should* buy.

The 6100 rendering looks spectacular and if it comes out as nice as that alludes to, it will be a massive architectural win for OKC.

Most people have no idea of the things that run up the price and are the difference between quality or not. They only see the skin and the obvious.

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Is this photo from today?

Is this photo from today?

Sunday.

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Great view of my neighborhood and my future neighborhood.


Glenbrook and .................. Rose Hill

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Are they regrading this entire lot????

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Wow. They’re low after the lot work.