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Rover 11-27-2018, 08:38 PM Operating OU inefficiently as was done under Boren doesn’t make OU a better place… Many millions of dollars in savings have already been found at OU…. that can be used to reduce the increased debt load.
We always will have limited resources.
When it came to making hard decisions that he knew would be unpopular and often painful Boren kicked the can down the road too many times.
Thankfully we now have leaders with enough personal courage to deal with these hard problems !
Lol. Starting to think you are a Gallogy staffer.
Boren raised billions for OU and increased its academic standing immeasurably. Let’s see if Gallogy can do any of that. Cutting is easy. Building is hard. Especially building character.
bluedogok 11-27-2018, 08:46 PM ^^^Are you using a 7 year old blog post as the basis of your argument?
The next thing I see is “Texas and Oklahoma never got along”. How is it that Nebraska and Texas A&M have left the Big 12 while OU, OSU and UT stand together?
No one got along with DeLoss Dodds, not even those within UT. He made a lot of money and greased a few key, big time donors that kept him in place but some of them have passed on. Not bad for a former K-State track coach. They were a train wreck after him for awhile but the current AD seems to have stabilized the situation somewhat. They are always on the verge of a train wreck between the AD, President, administration, big donors and the legislature.
mugofbeer 11-28-2018, 09:47 AM Lol. Starting to think you are a Gallogy staffer.
Boren raised billions for OU and increased its academic standing immeasurably. Let’s see if Gallogy can do any of that. Cutting is easy. Building is hard. Especially building character.
Building is going to be really hard, especially when the state is constantly cutting your financial support.
checkthat 11-28-2018, 11:29 AM If Gallogy is such a smart, savvy, fiscally responsible Business Man (TM), why did he donate $50,000,000.00 to an organization that he claims is terribly irresponsible at financial management? That seems like an odd business decision. Well, unless he is looking for some sort of return on that investment.
citywokchinesefood 11-28-2018, 11:38 AM Building is going to be really hard, especially when the state is constantly cutting your financial support.
Building can be more than a new residence hall or academic facility. By properly auditing and fixing inefficient processes you can create a positive culture change. I worked for the university for about two years, some of my duties involved working directly with Boren, deans of different colleges, and quite a few individuals that did not make it past the initial culling. I generally believe that the majority of the people involved before Gallogy were driven and wanted the university to succeed. I also believe that some horrific policies and decisions were being made behind the scenes that negatively impacted the university.
I am more interested in seeing what happens in year two, three, and four compared to year one. I would consider Gallogy's tenure a success if by the end of it if the accounting is transparent and research and publishing has increased significantly. The next buildings that go up should be renovation of the more forgotten buildings on the South oval. A lot of those buildings were old and outdated when I went to OU over a decade ago. The more modern lecture halls on campus are drastically easier to take notes and be actively engaged in, not to mention they are typically fully wired for modern AV needs. I remember the lectures in Dale were particularly obnoxious.
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FYI, Dale just received a bunch of upgrades a couple of years ago.
jedicurt 11-28-2018, 11:50 AM If Gallogy is such a smart, savvy, fiscally responsible Business Man (TM), why did he donate $50,000,000.00 to an organization that he claims is terribly irresponsible at financial management? That seems like an odd business decision. Well, unless he is looking for some sort of return on that investment.
well... he didn't say this till he had the job, so it's possible that he didn't know when he made the donation and that didn't become apparent to him until after he had taken the job
i'm not saying that is the case... but not all donations are done looking for something in return. remember that he also is a big donor to the University of Colorado
citywokchinesefood 11-28-2018, 11:54 AM That is a good look. It has been about five years since I have been regularly on campus. I may have to make a trip to Norman for a walk around.
Rover 11-28-2018, 12:16 PM Through all this, no one mentions student learning and development. All talk about dollars and football affiliation. Winning, losing, and how much money do we make is the primary focus.
Jersey Boss 11-28-2018, 01:26 PM ^^ trurh.
For all the talk of football and conference realignment, the reality is the athletic dept. functions pretty separately from the university. OU's AD actually makes a bit of profit and gives a little back to the university, but it in no way affects the budget or profitability of the school in any meaningful way.
So, it's disingenuous to make the point that this is all about running the school like a responsible business and the need to get our financial house in order, while simultaneously claiming conference affiliation as anywhere close to an important priority.
And I will add that virtually 98% of what has been stated as fact in this matter is merely repeating rumors from elsewhere. Especially that Boren was somehow a moron in all these dealings and wasn't acting in what he thought was OU's best interest.
okatty 11-28-2018, 01:58 PM ^Agree - also there was an article in Oklahoman recently by Scott Meacham regarding the differences in the public v private sector (which I am sure can be easily looked up on their site). The point being that for all the talk of making OU more efficient in a private sector way - its apples and oranges.
If you have a scale of moron on one end and genius on the other - Boren is way, way, way up the genius side of the scale.
soonerheart 11-28-2018, 03:28 PM For all the talk of football and conference realignment, the reality is the athletic dept. functions pretty separately from the university. OU's AD actually makes a bit of profit and gives a little back to the university, but it in no way affects the budget or profitability of the school in any meaningful way.
So, it's disingenuous to make the point that this is all about running the school like a responsible business and the need to get our financial house in order, while simultaneously claiming conference affiliation as anywhere close to an important priority.
And I will add that virtually 98% of what has been stated as fact in this matter is merely repeating rumors from elsewhere. Especially that Boren was somehow a moron in all these dealings and wasn't acting in what he thought was OU's best interest.
The last I knew OU athletics moves around 8 to 9 million dollars each year to OU academics.
With the exception of down periods, moving OU athletic money to OU academics dates back at least to the 1950’s. This is not an insignificant sum of money. Over this time it has helped make OU a stronger university.
Furthermore, OU athletics helps reduces student fees and does not take state tax money as OSU does for its varsity athletics. This also adds up to a significant sum of money.
If OU moved to the Big Ten, eventually after a buy in period millions more of OU athletic money could be transferred to OU academics. Athletic membership in the Big Ten includes automatic membership in the Big Ten’s Academic conference which would provide several million dollars of additional academic / research benefits. It would provide a boost to OU’s academic image that would be further capitalized on.
Big Ten membership for OU would open new doors for OU research and collaboration that over time would help OU reach some of it's university goals.
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Even if it is $8MM (and I know for a fact it's been substantially lower in some previous years):
1. The AD is not obligated to move that money to academics and can merely use it all for their own projects. Even if they take in a bunch more money (a big assumption) you can bet most or all that money will be spent within the AD.
2. Even at $8MM going to academics, that is less than 1% of the total budget; which is the basis for my orginal points.
okatty 11-28-2018, 04:41 PM OU was 7th in national athletic revenue in 2017. And by the way, far ahead of most all B10 schools (Mich and Ohio State are ahead of OU) Complete nonsense to say that financially OU is better in the B10. Go talk to Nebraska and see how it has gone and I do not mean on the field....about $35 mill behind OU.
checkthat 11-28-2018, 05:04 PM Through all this, no one mentions student learning and development. All talk about dollars and football affiliation. Winning, losing, and how much money do we make is the primary focus.
Student learning and development should absolutely be the top priorities.
Rover 11-28-2018, 05:17 PM Student learning and development should absolutely be the top priorities.
Absolutely. And, it isn't that we shouldn't expect fiscal accountability, but the mission of a university is vastly different than a for profit corporation with shareholders demanding profit each quarter. For instance, Gallogy has repeatedly referenced the new colleges life centers like they are apartments and totally fails to understand their mission of value for the students.... environments for academic thinking, peer group development, etc. hasn't been discussed, but rather how quickly they can be filled for maximum financial benefit. Disgusting.
soonerheart 11-28-2018, 06:21 PM ^
Even if it is $8MM (and I know for a fact it's been substantially lower in some previous years):
1. The AD is not obligated to move that money to academics and can merely use it all for their own projects. Even if they take in a bunch more money (a big assumption) you can bet most or all that money will be spent within the AD.
2. Even at $8MM going to academics, that is less than 1% of the total budget; which is the basis for my orginal points.
The OU AD is absolutely obligate to move the money to OU academics when he has been ordered to do so by higher authority and he was! I’m not assuming anything but it sure looks like you are!
Because as seen below in a journalistic sourced article Boren indicates this money goes toward “University Faculty, library and academic support."
https://www.normantranscript.com/sports/local_sports/horning-what-will-sooner-athletics-in-an-age-of-belt/article_0b632f6e-065d-5c74-9e6e-06ff958b2c70.html
In a Jun 19, 2018 article Clay Horning wrote
“The athletic budget remains in the black. For some time, the department Castiglione runs has been writing a $9 million dollar check to the university. OU doesn’t subsidize athletics, though the reverse is sort of true.”
http://www.oudaily.com/sports/oklahoma-football-ou-recruiting-expenses-high-but-revenue-exceeds-costs/article_ab15c452-c9f9-11e5-86bd-fb550eeefdf1.html
This is from the oudaily on Feb 8, 2016…. OU President David Boren said in a statement. "In fact, the Athletics Department has contributed $25 million to the University Faculty, library and academic support."
I’m sure the yearly amount of money the OU’s athletic dept. has moved to the academic side of the university has gone up over the years….. I’m not sure what time frame Boren is speaking of… but the 25 million dollar figure has been added too since this article.
25 million is more money than the OU softball and baseball projects combined. 1% or whatever, clearly this is not an insignificant amount of money particularly when its cost adjusted for its purchasing power. It would do plenty of good at OU today. Not thinking that this is not significant amount of money is the type of mind set that has led to part (not all) of the OU budget /debt problems. It all adds up.
PS: Cross was moving OU football money to academics in his day….According to a book Jim Weeks wrote
soonerheart 11-28-2018, 06:27 PM OU was 7th in national athletic revenue in 2017. And by the way, far ahead of most all B10 schools (Mich and Ohio State are ahead of OU) Complete nonsense to say that financially OU is better in the B10. Go talk to Nebraska and see how it has gone and I do not mean on the field....about $35 mill behind OU.
You need to review the projections of conference distributions in the years to come and take into account the academic / research benefits of Big Ten membership. The projections I have seen and they are not hard numbers but they would eventually, significantly increase OU’s sports revenue and help OU academics.
$9MM a year is still well less than 1% of the total budget of the Norman campus.
The athletic department does not have a significant impact on the finances at OU.
soonerheart 11-28-2018, 08:01 PM $9MM a year is still well less than 1% of the total budget of the Norman campus.
The athletic department does not have a significant impact on the finances at OU.
Its 9 million that’s coming out of OU’s athletic budget…
That is not an insignificant amount no matter how it’s sliced or diced.
Adjusted the money for inflation and our exceptionally low cost of living index and then add it up over a long period of time…. it adds up to a very significant sum of money that OU athletics could have used in many different ways….
15 to 20 years at 9 million per year probably buys OU a very nice new basketball arena that is wanted.
It's still money that very few other athletic dept. provide to their respective universities. Many take student fees and or state tax money to subside their varsity athletic programs.
The athletic department does not have a significant impact on the overall finances at OU.
Lazio85 11-29-2018, 09:17 AM Nov. 28, 2018
Letter from the President: Executive Selections
Dear Sooner Family,
Over the past few months we have been working diligently to fill vacancies in executive leadership positions. We are following a process approved by the Board of Regents as we search for the best possible candidates for these positions. Ten executive and top-level positions were posted in August and September and advertised nationally to help ensure a wide and diverse set of candidates.
Once applications are received by the university, each is screened based on the requirements described in the job descriptions. Each position is assigned a search committee that recommends several candidates to me before I take the final recommendation to the Board of Regents. As would be expected, search committees for positions involving significant faculty, staff and student interaction have greater representation from those constituencies. Similarly, positions with multi-campus responsibilities have committees that include representatives from each campus. Input from Faculty Senate, Staff Senate, and Student Government was considered for the composition of the search committees.
I am pleased to announce that we are making great progress on the executive searches and that I will be presenting multiple individuals to the Board of Regents for formal approval at the December Regents meeting. If the candidates begin their service with the University prior to Board action, their service will be clearly noted as being contingent upon Board approval.
Sincerely,
Jim Gallogly
OU President
Senior Vice President, Chief Financial Officer
This position is responsible for leading financial planning, providing strategic management of accounting and finance functions, record-keeping, and financial reporting. Scope of responsibility for the CFO includes oversight of Information Technology, Financial Services, Budget Office, and Bursar’s Office. This role plays an integral part in developing and implementing financial procedures to improve and maintain the financial well-being of the university.
Reports directly to the President
Candidate: Ken Rowe (internal candidate)
Ken Rowe has more than three decades of finance and administration experience in higher education and in the private industry. He joined the University of Oklahoma in 1998 and is currently the Interim Senior Vice President, Chief Financial Officer for the University. Prior to this role, he was the Vice President of Finance and Administration for the OU Health Sciences Center, a position he held since 2001. Rowe also held progressively more responsible positions at Bank One, Liberty Bancorp, and First City Texas.
He is a certified public accountant in Texas and holds a Master of Accountancy from the University of Oklahoma and a Bachelor of Science in Accounting from East Central University.
Chief Audit Executive
This position will provide leadership, direction, and administrative oversight to the internal audit operations of all campuses governed by the OU Board of Regents: The University of Oklahoma, Cameron University, and Rogers State University.
This individual will serve as a trusted advisor to both the President and the OU Board of Regents. The position will oversee coordination of and responsibility for activities that promote accountability, integrity, and efficiency in university operations, ensure that university activities reinforce ethical conduct, and maximize compliance with applicable laws, regulations, rules, financial policies and procedures to assist in the management of university risk.
Reports to the Board of Regents and to the President
Candidate: Charles Wright (external candidate)
Charles Wright has over 20 years of professional experience in the audit field and recently served as the Director of Audit Services at Texas Children’s Hospital in Houston, Texas. He also held senior audit positions for ATMI, Citizens Communications Company, Regeneron Pharmaceuticals, GE Real Estate and Security Capital Group and Affiliates. Additionally, he has a Bachelor of Arts in Accounting from Texas State University and is a Certified Public Accountant in the State of Texas.
Wright has extensive experience in the development and leadership of multiple audit functions to establish value-added internal audit activities. He facilitated Enterprise Risk Management (ERM) programs to drive risk ownership and accountability as well as diversified experience to strategically improve business processes and enhance internal controls. Wright is also a seasoned executive and has experience in communicating and collaborating with board members, senior management and all levels within organizations.
Vice President, Marketing and Communications
This position is responsible for the development of updated unified strategic marketing plans and dynamic public relations campaigns supported by best practices and data analytics and currently manages the video marketing, digital marketing, web marketing, special events, and media relations teams. The position’s goal is to build awareness of the university’s current strengths while also delivering engaging messages that advance and protect the university’s reputation and mission. The Vice President has oversight of internal and external communications for the Norman campus, Health Sciences Center, OU Medicine enterprise in OKC, and Tulsa campus through collaboration and teamwork with the President, executives, and academic leadership to ensure consistency and cohesiveness in delivered messages.
Reports directly to the President
Candidate: Lauren Brookey (external candidate)
Lauren Brookey has over 40 years of in-depth communications, public and media relations, external affairs and marketing experience in both higher education and corporate environments. She currently serves as the vice president of external affairs and the president of the TCC Foundation at Tulsa Community College, a position she held since 2015. Prior to that role, she was the vice president of external affairs for fifteen years. Before joining Tulsa Community College, she was a vice president and partner at Schnake, Turbo, Brookey and Associates, a public relations counseling agency providing strategic public relations counsel, advertising, marketing services, media relations and public affairs. She also held various positions with increasing responsibility in the areas of marketing, media relations and journalism with Ward Creative Communications, Metropolitan Tulsa Transit Authority, Tulsa Tribune and Tulsa World.
Brookey has a Bachelors in Journalism from the University of Oklahoma and has achieved Accreditation status in the Public Relations Society of America and was later honored as a Fellow in the Public Relations profession.
Executive Director of Governmental Affairs
This position oversees and coordinates the University’s positions and communications with state, federal, municipal, and tribal governments in furtherance of the University’s mission of excellence in teaching, research, and service. The Executive Director has a firm understanding of the workings of the various governmental entities and accurately and promptly identifies emerging areas of significance to the University. The Executive Director coordinates with appropriate University officials and offers recommendations to advance the University’s interests in the various governmental spheres. The Executive Director ethically cultivates and strengthens the University’s relationships at all levels of government.
Reports to the Vice President and General Counsel
Candidate: John Woods (external candidate)
John Woods has an extensive background in policy advancement, political advocacy, and government relations in working with federal, state and local municipalities over the last eighteen years. Additionally, he has had a multi-faceted career of press engagement, public speaking and media management. He is currently serving as the Executive Director for the Oklahoma Tobacco Settlement Endowment Fund and previously served for five years as the President and CEO of the Norman Chamber of Commerce. He also held the position as the Policy Advisor for the Oklahoma House of Representatives - Office of the Speaker and various roles supporting U.S. Congressmen.
Woods has a Bachelor of Arts in Political Science from the University of Oklahoma.
ctchandler 11-29-2018, 09:32 PM The athletic department does not have a significant impact on the overall finances at OU.
Pete,
I totally agree, but to be fair, OU is one of the few athletic programs in the country that doesn't draw a dime from anybody. Completely self supported. That's a significant fact considering that most universities depend on tax payer and student fees to keep their athletic programs afloat.
C. T.
OKCretro 11-29-2018, 10:46 PM The athletic department does not have a significant impact on the overall finances at OU.
Gotta disagree with this.
Found this article about the impact of winning 1 football game vs OU by Boise state.
https://news.boisestate.edu/update/2009/12/06/examples-of-impact-from-2007-fiesta-bowl-on-university/
https://newsok.com/article/5607699/epic-fiesta-bowl-win-over-oklahoma-did-wonders-for-boise-state-and-its-home-city
“It starts with the 2007 Fiesta Bowl game,” Kustra said. “As a result of that game, and the actions we took on our campus, it has had an enormous impact what this university has become.”
If OU went into a tailspin for multiple seasons this would hurt the overall finances at OU.
soonerheart 12-03-2018, 09:37 AM Nov. 28, 2018
Letter from the President: Executive Selections
Dear Sooner Family,
Over the past few months we have been working diligently to fill vacancies in executive leadership positions. We are following a process approved by the Board of Regents as we search for the best possible candidates for these positions. Ten executive and top-level positions were posted in August and September and advertised nationally to help ensure a wide and diverse set of candidates.
Once applications are received by the university, each is screened based on the requirements described in the job descriptions. Each position is assigned a search committee that recommends several candidates to me before I take the final recommendation to the Board of Regents. As would be expected, search committees for positions involving significant faculty, staff and student interaction have greater representation from those constituencies. Similarly, positions with multi-campus responsibilities have committees that include representatives from each campus. Input from Faculty Senate, Staff Senate, and Student Government was considered for the composition of the search committees.
I am pleased to announce that we are making great progress on the executive searches and that I will be presenting multiple individuals to the Board of Regents for formal approval at the December Regents meeting. If the candidates begin their service with the University prior to Board action, their service will be clearly noted as being contingent upon Board approval.
Sincerely,
Jim Gallogly
OU President
Senior Vice President, Chief Financial Officer
This position is responsible for leading financial planning, providing strategic management of accounting and finance functions, record-keeping, and financial reporting. Scope of responsibility for the CFO includes oversight of Information Technology, Financial Services, Budget Office, and Bursar’s Office. This role plays an integral part in developing and implementing financial procedures to improve and maintain the financial well-being of the university.
Reports directly to the President
Candidate: Ken Rowe (internal candidate)
Ken Rowe has more than three decades of finance and administration experience in higher education and in the private industry. He joined the University of Oklahoma in 1998 and is currently the Interim Senior Vice President, Chief Financial Officer for the University. Prior to this role, he was the Vice President of Finance and Administration for the OU Health Sciences Center, a position he held since 2001. Rowe also held progressively more responsible positions at Bank One, Liberty Bancorp, and First City Texas.
He is a certified public accountant in Texas and holds a Master of Accountancy from the University of Oklahoma and a Bachelor of Science in Accounting from East Central University.
Chief Audit Executive
This position will provide leadership, direction, and administrative oversight to the internal audit operations of all campuses governed by the OU Board of Regents: The University of Oklahoma, Cameron University, and Rogers State University.
This individual will serve as a trusted advisor to both the President and the OU Board of Regents. The position will oversee coordination of and responsibility for activities that promote accountability, integrity, and efficiency in university operations, ensure that university activities reinforce ethical conduct, and maximize compliance with applicable laws, regulations, rules, financial policies and procedures to assist in the management of university risk.
Reports to the Board of Regents and to the President
Candidate: Charles Wright (external candidate)
Charles Wright has over 20 years of professional experience in the audit field and recently served as the Director of Audit Services at Texas Children’s Hospital in Houston, Texas. He also held senior audit positions for ATMI, Citizens Communications Company, Regeneron Pharmaceuticals, GE Real Estate and Security Capital Group and Affiliates. Additionally, he has a Bachelor of Arts in Accounting from Texas State University and is a Certified Public Accountant in the State of Texas.
Wright has extensive experience in the development and leadership of multiple audit functions to establish value-added internal audit activities. He facilitated Enterprise Risk Management (ERM) programs to drive risk ownership and accountability as well as diversified experience to strategically improve business processes and enhance internal controls. Wright is also a seasoned executive and has experience in communicating and collaborating with board members, senior management and all levels within organizations.
Vice President, Marketing and Communications
This position is responsible for the development of updated unified strategic marketing plans and dynamic public relations campaigns supported by best practices and data analytics and currently manages the video marketing, digital marketing, web marketing, special events, and media relations teams. The position’s goal is to build awareness of the university’s current strengths while also delivering engaging messages that advance and protect the university’s reputation and mission. The Vice President has oversight of internal and external communications for the Norman campus, Health Sciences Center, OU Medicine enterprise in OKC, and Tulsa campus through collaboration and teamwork with the President, executives, and academic leadership to ensure consistency and cohesiveness in delivered messages.
Reports directly to the President
Candidate: Lauren Brookey (external candidate)
Lauren Brookey has over 40 years of in-depth communications, public and media relations, external affairs and marketing experience in both higher education and corporate environments. She currently serves as the vice president of external affairs and the president of the TCC Foundation at Tulsa Community College, a position she held since 2015. Prior to that role, she was the vice president of external affairs for fifteen years. Before joining Tulsa Community College, she was a vice president and partner at Schnake, Turbo, Brookey and Associates, a public relations counseling agency providing strategic public relations counsel, advertising, marketing services, media relations and public affairs. She also held various positions with increasing responsibility in the areas of marketing, media relations and journalism with Ward Creative Communications, Metropolitan Tulsa Transit Authority, Tulsa Tribune and Tulsa World.
Brookey has a Bachelors in Journalism from the University of Oklahoma and has achieved Accreditation status in the Public Relations Society of America and was later honored as a Fellow in the Public Relations profession.
Executive Director of Governmental Affairs
This position oversees and coordinates the University’s positions and communications with state, federal, municipal, and tribal governments in furtherance of the University’s mission of excellence in teaching, research, and service. The Executive Director has a firm understanding of the workings of the various governmental entities and accurately and promptly identifies emerging areas of significance to the University. The Executive Director coordinates with appropriate University officials and offers recommendations to advance the University’s interests in the various governmental spheres. The Executive Director ethically cultivates and strengthens the University’s relationships at all levels of government.
Reports to the Vice President and General Counsel
Candidate: John Woods (external candidate)
John Woods has an extensive background in policy advancement, political advocacy, and government relations in working with federal, state and local municipalities over the last eighteen years. Additionally, he has had a multi-faceted career of press engagement, public speaking and media management. He is currently serving as the Executive Director for the Oklahoma Tobacco Settlement Endowment Fund and previously served for five years as the President and CEO of the Norman Chamber of Commerce. He also held the position as the Policy Advisor for the Oklahoma House of Representatives - Office of the Speaker and various roles supporting U.S. Congressmen.
Woods has a Bachelor of Arts in Political Science from the University of Oklahoma.
^This is all very good to read. Thanks for posting
Ken Rowe has worked for OU for a long time and has a banking background.
Charles Wright Has many years of high end experience in audit/ accounting in the medical industry and in investments
Lauren Brookey has among other things many years public relations communications experience in the private public sector
John Woods is well known and is very respected in Norman. His dealings with the political forces will help.
As can be seen none of these people have significant oil backgrounds…
I find the thought being circulated by some who simply do not know nearly enough about the large scale corporate business world that OU is going to be operated like an oil company to be the most extreme propostorus thing I have ever heard said about OU. It’s not living in reality!
soonerheart 12-03-2018, 10:18 AM Gotta disagree with this.
Found this article about the impact of winning 1 football game vs OU by Boise state.
https://news.boisestate.edu/update/2009/12/06/examples-of-impact-from-2007-fiesta-bowl-on-university/
https://newsok.com/article/5607699/epic-fiesta-bowl-win-over-oklahoma-did-wonders-for-boise-state-and-its-home-city
“It starts with the 2007 Fiesta Bowl game,” Kustra said. “As a result of that game, and the actions we took on our campus, it has had an enormous impact what this university has become.”
If OU went into a tailspin for multiple seasons this would hurt the overall finances at OU.
^Good post.
I have read/ heard plenty of examples where students attend a university based on the greatness of its football or basketball program. Applications to universities usually go up following national titles. This has occurred at OU.
OU football has had a “transformational effect,” over the decades. Our football program is the window to the university….It creates many new Sooner fans each year particularly when OU football is doing very well.
Michal Price stands as a great example of this….He attended OU because of OU football. His donations back to the OU business college would not have occurred without the appeal of OU football.
New fans sometimes become OU students and eventually donors… I have known several graduates of other universities including OSU who have held OU season tickets for 30 + years and are OU donors. Some of OU’s very largest donors never stepped foot in an OU class room but they have probably donated more than 100 million to OU. Football has helped keep these and others engaged in all OU affairs. It has helped create additional pride in the success of the entire university.
I sometimes feel the full power of OU football is underappreciated by many OU graduates, is taken for granted and that some lack a good understanding of what we must do with our money to stay competitive in our low populated state that is not wealthy.
There is a very long list of problems that 9 million per year would help solve or help create new appealing items that help create new young OU people.
Try taking the 9 million away from the people who now receive it…. and there would be plenty of people who will be screaming bloody murder.
Rover 12-03-2018, 02:31 PM The thin veil is off this thread. The strawman argument of debt as the issue is exposed. The real issue isn't about quality of academics or the development of scholars and leaders, or intellectual or cultural development... it is about being sore about not changing football conferences. LOL.
Boren and Castiglione actually brought the athletic department back from the brink and made it solvent plus. But, Boren didn't change conferences so now he's a bum. The academic standing of OU has moved to it's most prominent level ever.... but we didn't change conferences. Our donations swelled to a couple of BILLION dollars with a generous endowment fund ... but we didn't change conferences. The conservatives choked off public funding.... but we didn't change conferences. Our number of endowed chairs greatly increased.... but we didn't change conferences. Our learning environment was greatly enhanced.... but we didn't change conferences.
Boren is a bum because we didn't change conferences. That is the argument here.
Just wish everyone was as passionate about the students, academics and culture as they are about football allegiances.
soonerheart 12-03-2018, 02:57 PM The thin veil is off this thread. The strawman argument of debt as the issue is exposed. The real issue isn't about quality of academics or the development of scholars and leaders, or intellectual or cultural development... it is about being sore about not changing football conferences. LOL.
Boren and Castiglione actually brought the athletic department back from the brink and made it solvent plus. But, Boren didn't change conferences so now he's a bum. The academic standing of OU has moved to it's most prominent level ever.... but we didn't change conferences. Our donations swelled to a couple of BILLION dollars with a generous endowment fund ... but we didn't change conferences. The conservatives choked off public funding.... but we didn't change conferences. Our number of endowed chairs greatly increased.... but we didn't change conferences. Our learning environment was greatly enhanced.... but we didn't change conferences.
Boren is a bum because we didn't change conferences. That is the argument here.
Just wish everyone was as passionate about the students, academics and culture as they are about football allegiances.
Maybe you should learn a huge amount more about how the Big Ten can help OU with its academic and research goals that in time will benefit the state’s economy with well paying jobs.
B1G membership will bring pressure to bear at all levels in Oklahoma to further improve OU academics and education in general... which is one reasons why I would welcome this conference move.
OU wants to double its research..... Collaboration with B1G universities can help with this goal by more than any other conference option.
It’s hard to understand why anyone who is indicating they want OU’s academics to improve, would be against this move unless they just really do not understand the long term positive consequences …It's like they still think OU is going to be operated like an oil company. LOL
If this were only about changing conferences to benefit OU athletics as you seem to suggest then OU should stay in the Big 12 or move to the SEC, but this is not about that!
OU football has and can continue to help OU academics by large amounts!
Rover 12-03-2018, 04:22 PM I know plenty about it and as we all know, we weren’t invited to B10 and won’t be.
Strawman
We can all dream but Boren actually did build. So far I hear no real plans for anything but cutting.
Dob Hooligan 12-03-2018, 05:48 PM OU isn't moving to the SEC or B1G. They are going (along with Texas, OSU and maybe another) to the PAC 12. Some of the TV deals are opening up in 2023-24, and the PAC 12 is so desperate for earlier games, plus the eyeballs and gravitas that OU and Texas bring just by breathing that they will pay them more to join. Add in that society is moving west, plus the long held bond between Oklahoma and California, and the move looks like a foregone conclusion.
And you read it here first.
Jersey Boss 12-03-2018, 06:16 PM Kansas has more to offer(basketball) than OSU. Should the big 12 implode it will be a buyer's, not sellers market. Then there is the number of TV sets the school brings. I do not see what any conference gains by admitting both state schools.
Boulder92 12-04-2018, 09:19 AM Maybe you should learn a huge amount more about how the Big Ten can help OU with its academic and research goals that in time will benefit the state’s economy with well paying jobs.
B1G membership will bring pressure to bear at all levels in Oklahoma to further improve OU academics and education in general... which is one reasons why I would welcome this conference move.
OU wants to double its research..... Collaboration with B1G universities can help with this goal by more than any other conference option.
It’s hard to understand why anyone who is indicating they want OU’s academics to improve, would be against this move unless they just really do not understand the long term positive consequences …It's like they still think OU is going to be operated like an oil company. LOL
If this were only about changing conferences to benefit OU athletics as you seem to suggest then OU should stay in the Big 12 or move to the SEC, but this is not about that!
OU football has and can continue to help OU academics by large amounts!
I've seen this sort of argument made more than once. It's simply not true. There may be a few specific situations where conference membership impacts research or academics, but overwhelmingly there is zero effect. The research and academic prestige of a conference comes from the member schools, not vice versa.
Sure, you can make tenuous arguments like "a change of conference eventually leads to more TV revenue which eventually leads to more money for scholarships which eventually leads to a slightly stronger pool of students", or some such, but any such effects are within the rounding error of much more directly related factors.
I know many academics at many universities. Many of them couldn't even tell you which conference their school is in. A joint research grant, a research collaboration, a multi-university teaching initiative, etc. is based upon what makes sense for the project, and conference membership doesn't even enter the discussion.
There may be pluses or minuses to being in one conference over another, but its effect on research and academics is effectively zero.
FighttheGoodFight 12-04-2018, 10:14 AM http://www.oudaily.com/news/ou-rescinds-plan-to-name-room-after-recently-terminated-administrator/article_ac39edec-f744-11e8-b594-f75938e3c45e.html?fbclid=IwAR12UANgTRBNSHiq-452nc6CokIeufQ8-oyQty2RgwgL3EzDBb84vrhEUuE
People donated to have a room renovated then named after Tripp Hall. He was laid off. Now they aren't not naming the room after him.
David 12-04-2018, 11:57 AM Now that's just low class.
jedicurt 12-04-2018, 12:29 PM http://www.oudaily.com/news/ou-rescinds-plan-to-name-room-after-recently-terminated-administrator/article_ac39edec-f744-11e8-b594-f75938e3c45e.html?fbclid=IwAR12UANgTRBNSHiq-452nc6CokIeufQ8-oyQty2RgwgL3EzDBb84vrhEUuE
People donated to have a room renovated then named after Tripp Hall. He was laid off. Now they aren't not naming the room after him.
Patton then goes on to offer a list of options in the letter for how the donor’s gift can be used: allow it to remain in the renovation fund, redirect the gift for another university purpose or have the gift refunded.
but the people can get their money back or move it to another project if they so choose. i don't see what the big deal is?
citywokchinesefood 12-04-2018, 01:13 PM This is a bad look. I worked with Tripp he was extremely committed to the university. Unless he did something awful we don’t know about, they should have left the naming.
David 12-04-2018, 02:16 PM Gotta be terrible for staff and faculty loyalty, too.
dankrutka 12-04-2018, 04:28 PM I've seen this sort of argument made more than once. It's simply not true. There may be a few specific situations where conference membership impacts research or academics, but overwhelmingly there is zero effect. The research and academic prestige of a conference comes from the member schools, not vice versa.
Sure, you can make tenuous arguments like "a change of conference eventually leads to more TV revenue which eventually leads to more money for scholarships which eventually leads to a slightly stronger pool of students", or some such, but any such effects are within the rounding error of much more directly related factors.
I know many academics at many universities. Many of them couldn't even tell you which conference their school is in. A joint research grant, a research collaboration, a multi-university teaching initiative, etc. is based upon what makes sense for the project, and conference membership doesn't even enter the discussion.
There may be pluses or minuses to being in one conference over another, but its effect on research and academics is effectively zero.
I am in my eigth year in academia and I've been at three universities and a leader/participant in many national organizations. I've never once heard any person at any level (this includes emails from university leadership) ever mention any connection between academics and conference affiliation. I am at a Research 1 university currently and I would guess that less than 10% of faculty could name our university's conference affiliation.
soonerheart 12-04-2018, 04:41 PM I've seen this sort of argument made more than once. It's simply not true. There may be a few specific situations where conference membership impacts research or academics, but overwhelmingly there is zero effect. The research and academic prestige of a conference comes from the member schools, not vice versa.
Sure, you can make tenuous arguments like "a change of conference eventually leads to more TV revenue which eventually leads to more money for scholarships which eventually leads to a slightly stronger pool of students", or some such, but any such effects are within the rounding error of much more directly related factors.
I know many academics at many universities. Many of them couldn't even tell you which conference their school is in. A joint research grant, a research collaboration, a multi-university teaching initiative, etc. is based upon what makes sense for the project, and conference membership doesn't even enter the discussion.
There may be pluses or minuses to being in one conference over another, but its effect on research and academics is effectively zero.
That is wrong according to articles that have discussed how B1G membership has helped the academics and quality of students at Rutgers, Maryland and Nebraska. They quoted officials from these universities. But it sounds like you and others have their minds rock solid made up.
For those old enough to remember when the Big 8 academic rankings were published in the DOK in the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s OU was almost always ranked 7th but one year osu rose from 8th to 7th and OU was ranked 8th …This dead last ranking seriously embarrassed OU’s leadership and others of high note… who then started some of the early ground work under Bill Banowsky for major OU improvement….Boren eventually came along and greatly expanded on it. But that last place ranking served as a tremendous source of motivation and a starting point.
We need to create more motivation based on psychology.
If OU moved to the B1G, then OU returns to lower ranking in that conference…History has shown that being ranked near the bottom of anything at OU inspires action by OU people and that’s how the huge academic bump will occur. It will inspire new major donations.
Furthermore, if OU wishes to double its research and improve its academics ….OU will need to hire many new highly qualified people away from others….Where would they come from? Convincing very many people on the west coast on the virtues of OU seems like a tough sale? Convincing northern people on new opportunity, warmer weather and somewhat similar lifestyles to what many B1G universities seem to have seems like an easier proposition resulting in a better batting average.
Exposure via increased collaboration builds familiarity and a comfort level. The B1G/ NE footprint would likely be the most fertile recruiting grounds for new OU academic hires. This is where a majority of OU professors I have known have originally come from.
Rover 12-04-2018, 05:02 PM So the big double pinkie secret plan for improving the academics at OU is to join the B10 and rent the colleges out as apartments?
COOL! Good plan. LOL . And all this time we were sold a bill of goods that it was recruiting and retaining better students, hiring and keeping high performing faculty (while endowing their chairs), building them efficient and inspiring places to live and learn in, providing them modern learning tools, and stressing academics as the primary function of a university. Who knew it was as easy as playing University of Michigan and Ohio State in football and letting corporations run our research.
Boulder92 12-04-2018, 07:02 PM That is wrong according to articles that have discussed how B1G membership has helped the academics and quality of students at Rutgers, Maryland and Nebraska. They quoted officials from these universities. But it sounds like you and others have their minds rock solid made up.
For those old enough to remember when the Big 8 academic rankings were published in the DOK in the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s OU was almost always ranked 7th but one year osu rose from 8th to 7th and OU was ranked 8th …This dead last ranking seriously embarrassed OU’s leadership and others of high note… who then started some of the early ground work under Bill Banowsky for major OU improvement….Boren eventually came along and greatly expanded on it. But that last place ranking served as a tremendous source of motivation and a starting point.
We need to create more motivation based on psychology.
If OU moved to the B1G, then OU returns to lower ranking in that conference…History has shown that being ranked near the bottom of anything at OU inspires action by OU people and that’s how the huge academic bump will occur. It will inspire new major donations.
Furthermore, if OU wishes to double its research and improve its academics ….OU will need to hire many new highly qualified people away from others….Where would they come from? Convincing very many people on the west coast on the virtues of OU seems like a tough sale? Convincing northern people on new opportunity, warmer weather and somewhat similar lifestyles to what many B1G universities seem to have seems like an easier proposition resulting in a better batting average.
Exposure via increased collaboration builds familiarity and a comfort level. The B1G/ NE footprint would likely be the most fertile recruiting grounds for new OU academic hires. This is where a majority of OU professors I have known have originally come from.
It's not that my mind is made up, I'm just sharing my personal experience and the experience I've had interacting with literally hundreds and hundreds of research faculty at a wide variety of universities in numerous disciplines. Since this suggestion had come up more than once, I thought some folks might be interested in the reality on the ground. Clearly, you're not one of them.
It is a matter of fact that conference affiliation has essentially zero effect on the amount of collaboration between two universities. Academic recruiting is nationwide (in fact, worldwide). Again, conference affiliation has zero impact on hiring faculty. There is no difference in our ability to recruit from, say, Kansas and Iowa. Our ability to recruit from the west coast has everything to do with geography, pay, facilities, quality of undergraduate and graduate students, etc. and nothing to do with whether or not we are in the PAC12.
There are many fine reasons to change conferences, but improving research and academics is simply not one of them. Any impact is incidental and minor.
What improves the research and academics at a university is what improves anything, anywhere: commitment and resources. If the will to provide that comes from joining a different conference, great, sign me up!
Dob Hooligan 12-04-2018, 07:03 PM So the big double pinkie secret plan for improving the academics at OU is to join the B10 and rent the colleges out as apartments?
COOL! Good plan. LOL . And all this time we were sold a bill of goods that it was recruiting and retaining better students, hiring and keeping high performing faculty (while endowing their chairs), building them efficient and inspiring places to live and learn in, providing them modern learning tools, and stressing academics as the primary function of a university. Who knew it was as easy as playing University of Michigan and Ohio State in football and letting corporations run our research.
If you gonna discuss the super plan, you gotta use the proper B1G. Never use B10.
Dob Hooligan 12-04-2018, 07:19 PM Of course, as we go to the B1G, we have to realize how lockstep everything Oklahoma is with: Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Ohio, Minnesota, Michigan, Nebraska, Indiana, Iowa, Maryland, and New Jersey.
soonerheart 12-04-2018, 09:30 PM It's not that my mind is made up, I'm just sharing my personal experience and the experience I've had interacting with literally hundreds and hundreds of research faculty at a wide variety of universities in numerous disciplines. Since this suggestion had come up more than once, I thought some folks might be interested in the reality on the ground. Clearly, you're not one of them.
It is a matter of fact that conference affiliation has essentially zero effect on the amount of collaboration between two universities. Academic recruiting is nationwide (in fact, worldwide). Again, conference affiliation has zero impact on hiring faculty. There is no difference in our ability to recruit from, say, Kansas and Iowa. Our ability to recruit from the west coast has everything to do with geography, pay, facilities, quality of undergraduate and graduate students, etc. and nothing to do with whether or not we are in the PAC12.
There are many fine reasons to change conferences, but improving research and academics is simply not one of them. Any impact is incidental and minor.
What improves the research and academics at a university is what improves anything, anywhere: commitment and resources. If the will to provide that comes from joining a different conference, great, sign me up!
I can appreciate your experiences…. but for those who still have an open mind then please consider the material on these links. There is nothing like this in the Big 12 or anywhere else for OU... who would receive automatic membership into the Big Ten’s Academic Alliance and its benefits by simply joining the Big Ten’s athletic conference!
It’s hard to know by how much but it’s difficult to see how OU academics and research would not receive significant benefits and expand opportunities over the coming decades by becoming a member of the Big Ten’s Academic Alliance. Membership is generally consider extremely desirable by university administrators.
I have previously posted information about why OU administrators and Boren had their eyes on Big Ten membership. Their reasons are still very valid and I would think hard to dismiss for the Boren loyalist on this thread. I believe Boren and many high level university administrators would strongly disagree much of your post. Why... because they understand that by joining the Big Ten it means a higher level of commitment that results in more resources over time.
There is a lot more information on the links.
http://www.btaa.org/about/news-and-publications/news/2018/06/07/big-ten-academic-alliance-impact-report
“A central strategic focus of the Big Ten Academic Alliance is to combine, leverage, and expand the resources of member universities. Our large-scale-solutions approach maximizes efficiencies and enhances purchasing power--all of which create a big impact and big savings for the collective enterprise.”
http://www.btaa.org/research
“Big Ten Academic Alliance universities engage in $10 billion in funded research each year. Leaders from our member universities are exploring ways to promote greater strategic engagement across the spectrum of the research enterprise to leverage and build upon the significant resources and research facilities.”
dcsooner 12-05-2018, 09:39 AM This is a bad look. I worked with Tripp he was extremely committed to the university. Unless he did something awful we don’t know about, they should have left the naming.
+1
Rover 12-05-2018, 10:58 AM I can appreciate your experiences…. but for those who still have an open mind then please consider the material on these links”
So, you are assuming that those who disagree with you and have evidence or great logic coupled with observation are closed minded... LOL. So far, the great reveal is that we need to change athletic conferences. How about the state funding at a responsible and dedicated level? How about the commitment of the leadership of this state to actually make education a real priority?
Can we operate our universities and higher ed systems more efficiently... of course. But companies or universities don't become great by cost cutting. They become great with vision, passion, understanding of their mission, and with great leadership... not others trying to elevate themselves by standing on the backs of those who came before them and did hard lifting.
Jersey Boss 12-05-2018, 11:45 AM Rover, your posts have been productive, informative, passionate, and spot on in what makes a university a positive force for the future. Thank you.
JB.
OU Class of '90.
Lazio85 12-05-2018, 01:01 PM Can we operate our universities and higher ed systems more efficiently... of course. But companies or universities don't become great by cost cutting. They become great with vision, passion, understanding of their mission, and with great leadership...
This needs to be at the top of each thread in this forum.
Can we operate our universities and higher ed systems more efficiently... of course. But companies or universities don't become great by cost cutting. They become great with vision, passion, understanding of their mission, and with great leadership... not others trying to elevate themselves by standing on the backs of those who came before them and did hard lifting.
This is where Boren was truly great.
I will restate I think it was time for a change and that I didn't always agree with his decisions.
When I lived in L.A. the local Sooner Alumni Club held an annual Christmas party at the home of an older and quite rich alum. Boren always came and there were usually about 30-40 people there.
Boren made all of us excited, proud and ready to run through a wall to support the university. His vision and passion were incredibly inspiring.
And being a smallish group, it was also an opportunity to interact with him personally and he was exactly the same one-on-one.
For a leader, the most important quality is to motivate others and have them embrace and enthusiastically execute your vision. Anyone who has ever managed a large group understand this. You only have 24 hours in a day and a limited amount of energy, so unless you can inspire others and get them on board, your ability to accomplish anything of real meaning is always going to be limited.
This is especially true in an academic setting or any organization where money is not the one and only measure of success.
My impression thus far is that Gallogly does not understand this, and that is the basis of my concern.
FighttheGoodFight 12-05-2018, 01:41 PM This is where Boren was truly great.
I will restate I think it was time for a change and that I didn't always agree with his decisions.
When I lived in L.A. the local Sooner Alumni Club held an annual Christmas party at the home of an older and quite rich alum. Boren always came and there were usually about 30-40 people there.
Boren made all of us excited, proud and ready to run through a wall to support the university. His vision and passion were incredibly inspiring.
And being a smallish group, it was also an opportunity to interact with him personally and he was exactly the same one-on-one.
For a leader, the most important quality is to motivate others and have them embrace and enthusiastically execute your vision. Anyone who has ever managed a large group understand this. You only have 24 hours in a day and a limited amount of energy, so unless you can inspire others and get them on board, your ability to accomplish anything of real meaning is always going to be limited.
This is especially true in an academic setting or any organization where money is not the one and only measure of success.
My impression thus far is that Gallogly does not understand this, and that is the basis of my concern.
Again I think he doesn't care to really get to know the university as a whole. He is here to cut to appease the board and law makers. Then he will be gone in a few years.
Talk with anyone on campus right now. The morale is low among staff and academic programs. Doesn't make it a great environment.
jedicurt 12-05-2018, 01:52 PM Again I think he doesn't care to really get to know the university as a whole. He is here to cut to appease the board and law makers. Then he will be gone in a few years.
Talk with anyone on campus right now. The morale is low among staff and academic programs. Doesn't make it a great environment.
meh... depends upon who you ask... but moral was pretty low among the staff i worked with from 2005-2012 as well..
onthestrip 12-05-2018, 02:42 PM I think its cute when academics somehow come up in regards to conference realignment talks. Some officials might give it the courtesy of mentioning it but we all know its about athletics.
MagzOK 12-05-2018, 04:29 PM I think its cute when academics somehow come up in regatrds to conference realignment talks. Some officials might give it the courtesy of mentioning it but we all know its about athletics.
Exactly. And the athletic department is fat and happy in the BigXII -- the big fish in the pond. In football, OU is in position to be a perennial conference champion which opens the door to the playoff. The percentages greatly diminish if hey move conferences.
Everyone wants to bitch about the conference alignment but then turns around and points out that OU is one of the few schools showing a profit in their athletic department.
And, we've made the 4-team football playoff 3 of the last 4 years.
Not exactly sure what everyone is complaining about.
Thomas Vu 12-05-2018, 10:27 PM I took the join date/repeated points to multiple angle counterpoints and went straight to troll bait. Glad you guys vetted it in a thorough fashion.
bombermwc 12-07-2018, 07:55 AM meh... depends upon who you ask... but moral was pretty low among the staff i worked with from 2005-2012 as well..
And that's a legislature issue more than OU leadership. The new president is trying to make it work more "business-like" in the red/black numbers for what is coming in. OU has been cutting the amount that they pay Graduate Teaching Assistants for years and i'm not sure that anyone has seen a raise in 10 years unless they had a contract that stipulated it. Not to mention that attrition means that they aren't re-staffing as people leave the university.
That being said, this isn't a problem unique to OU. This is a national trend. We're not just failing to fund public k-12, we're failing to fund higher ed as well. You can squarely point the finger at the last 20 years at the capital for this financial mess. Them good ole boys aren't doing any of us any favors.
soonerheart 12-07-2018, 10:29 AM It’s more than very apparent that way too many here are very under informed on the current CR landscape. This is from OU's 247 site.
What is on this link provides some current thoughts, information and some speculation.
https://247sports.com/college/oklahoma/Article/Big-Ten-targeting-Oklahoma-Sooners-Texas-Longhorns-125965141/
ByJOEY HELMER Dec 5, 9:01 PM
FighttheGoodFight 12-07-2018, 11:10 AM Faculty pay increase for Norman campus announced today. Going to Regents on Dec. 12.
Rover 12-07-2018, 11:13 AM It’s more than very apparent that way too many here are very under informed on the current CR landscape. This is from OU's 247 site.
What is on this link provides some current thoughts, information and some speculation.
https://247sports.com/college/oklahoma/Article/Big-Ten-targeting-Oklahoma-Sooners-Texas-Longhorns-125965141/
ByJOEY HELMER Dec 5, 9:01 PM
Same kind of rumors we all heard years ago, Then truth landed. All this is speculation. Everybody whose argument or hope it fits will claim it is real. The rest of us know it’s gossip at this point. Wake us when something true is known.
BTW, OUInsider is a good sports site, but it deals heavily in rumors and speculation. 247 isn’t exactly a news source. If you mean being informed is taking gossip from sports boards, then a lot on here are probably well informed. Lol.
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