No! Boren has had these rumors floating about since the time he was running for Governor...Well placed and well connected people have been talking about this issue for many decades....long before Gallogly ever stepped foot on OU’s campus as a student...

Any misconduct is 100% Boren’s fault!

If there is any truth to this and I suspect there are people coming forward with substantial information that is enough to launch an investigation....Its pure corruption / fraudulent to think we should continue looking the other way. OU's legal department would have likely approved based on information they received.
Thank god OU now has leaders who will not ignore our serious problems.

Your act is so old.

Your act is so old.

No, your act is old and looks very corrupt as are all the Boren groupies who are not even honest people. Some like you post here.

When the rumors about Boren’s sexuality go back to the early 1970’s that I know of... it’s pathetically week to somehow blame Gallogly like you did when this is the worst kept secret since statehood.

Where were OU / state/ FED investigate officials all these years?
Why was Boren protected ?

As an OU grad (with one kid out of OU and one in her senior year), the whole thing is sad. Forget Boren v Gallogly for a minute.......its a terrible look for OU. The transition has left a bad stain and looking like that is just going to continue to grow.

I had heard some big news was coming about Boren but after decades of rumors that everyone had heard I wasn’t expecting this. I would have thought something would have been done years ago.
As we have seen many times in other cases, once the word gets out others come forward...Boren is probably looking at very serious consequences.

https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/state-and-regional/former-ou-president-david-boren-under-investigation-for-sexual-harassment/article_2ca0f2cf-dcd6-591c-8261-26576488b27d.html

The University of Oklahoma is paying one of the largest law firms in the world to investigate former President David Boren, sources have confirmed.

Investigators with the Jones Day law firm have asked whether Boren sexually harassed male aides, sources said.
Yes, it is true that republican homophobes have been pushing this idea for years with no proof, but plenty of political incentive. Now the uber right wing has made this state its base they will resurrect anything they can. I am sure you are proud to be in their self proclaimed holy crusade to wipe out those vulgar leftists.

No, your act is old and looks very corrupt as are all the Boren groupies who are not even honest people. Some like you post here.

When the rumors about Boren’s sexuality go back to the early 1970’s that I know of... it’s pathetically week to somehow blame Gallogly like you did when this is the worst kept secret since statehood.

Where were OU / state/ FED investigate officials all these years?
Why was Boren protected ?

Maybe they can finish this and then go investigate Benghazi again. You can help them.

No, your act is old and looks very corrupt as are all the Boren groupies who are not even honest people. Some like you post here.

When the rumors about Boren’s sexuality go back to the early 1970’s that I know of... it’s pathetically week to somehow blame Gallogly like you did when this is the worst kept secret since statehood.

Where were OU / state/ FED investigate officials all these years?
Why was Boren protected ?

Boren deserves as much benefit of the doubt as Kavanaugh got from there not being any sexual assault or harassment complaints on official record in the past somewhere.

Boren deserves as much benefit of the doubt as Kavanaugh got from there not being any sexual assault or harassment complaints on official record in the past somewhere.
I agree.... Boren should receive due process and not the type of due process that he gave the innocent members of the SAE.

Regardless of the truth.... OU is 100% legally obligated to investigate based on information...it's the law and Boren knows it.
This sounds like it will fall under the laws that covered the Frank Shannon case???....that Boren was involved in.

Yes, it is true that republican homophobes have been pushing this idea for years with no proof...

actually, i thought these rumors were started during the 1978 us senate primaries by a couple of boren's rival democratic candidates... i don't think any one political party has a monopoly on homophobia.

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When the rumors about Boren’s sexuality go back to the early 1970’s that I know of... it’s pathetically week to somehow blame Gallogly like you did when this is the worst kept secret since statehood.


Friendly reminder before this explodes further that being gay (or whatever the rumors were to that effect) != sexually harassing male aides. In the wake of this reporting I've seen lots of "of course, he's gay" which is a problematic conflation to make... *steps off soapbox*

Friendly reminder before this explodes further that being gay (or whatever the rumors were to that effect) != sexually harassing male aides. In the wake of this reporting I've seen lots of "of course, he's gay" which is a problematic conflation to make... *steps off soapbox*

thank you... I was trying to find a good way of saying pretty much this. afaik, boren has never been accused of sexual assault.

Friendly reminder before this explodes further that being gay (or whatever the rumors were to that effect) != sexually harassing male aides. In the wake of this reporting I've seen lots of "of course, he's gay" which is a problematic conflation to make... *steps off soapbox*

I agree that to my knowledge nothing is proven at this point. Just a lot of rumors that have been going around for many decades that would be the worst kept secret since statehood.

But there is an investigation for real reasons !

After moving back to the OKC market from a small isolated town I heard some of these Boren issues discussed many years ago on the radio. So I started asking questions.

What’s funny is that most of what I have heard about Boren over the years comes from well-connected democrats... some who held elected positions in our state... but mostly it was their families. Some of these people hated Boren from many years ago...it took me a long time to understand why.
Then almost 22 years ago there was a former CIA official who had worked in DC who independently told me many of the same things.

My wish is for the truth to come out and to see justice done for any victims.
In spite of what some may believe... we will always be better off when honesty and the rule of law prevail....even if it means Boren’s legacy is seriously tarnished, more than it already is and even if some here don’t want the truth.

I agree.... Boren should receive due process and not the type of due process that he gave the innocent members of the SAE.

The same innocent SAE members that practiced and passed on racist songs? Oh, the unproven claims that happened to be caught on tape?

There are great people on both sides, right?

Gallogly to Boren: Cross me again, 'I will destroy you'
(https://www.normantranscript.com/news/gallogly-to-boren-cross-me-again-i-will-destroy-you/article_b88f7ac6-fd84-11e8-87bf-9fde9c852062.html?fbclid=IwAR2Kc6MKmoxijkMNsHlOs0B o_Mzg-PU8V5uopd0MCAU8yObdu58ni8Rkbrs)

Following the publication of that letter on June 20, Gallogly told a senior OU administrator to deliver a message to Boren: “You tell him that I am the meanest son of a bitch he has ever seen, and if he ever crosses me again, I will destroy him.”

The statement was confirmed by multiple sources who spoke to the Transcript on a condition of anonymity for fear of reprisal from Gallogly.

I think we just found out what Gallogly had in mind.

Gallogly to Boren: Cross me again, 'I will destroy you'
(https://www.normantranscript.com/news/gallogly-to-boren-cross-me-again-i-will-destroy-you/article_b88f7ac6-fd84-11e8-87bf-9fde9c852062.html?fbclid=IwAR2Kc6MKmoxijkMNsHlOs0B o_Mzg-PU8V5uopd0MCAU8yObdu58ni8Rkbrs)


I think we just found out what Gallogly had in mind.

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No! Boren has had these rumors floating about since the time he was running for Governor...Well placed and well connected people have been talking about this issue for many decades....long before Gallogly ever stepped foot on OU’s campus as a student...

Any misconduct is 100% Boren’s fault!

If there is any truth to this and I suspect there are people coming forward with substantial information that is enough to launch an investigation....Its pure corruption / fraudulent to think we should continue looking the other way. OU's legal department would have likely approved based on information they received.
Thank god OU now has leaders who will not ignore our serious problems.

right... but if the OU BOR knew about this at anytime before now.... and did nothing about it at the time... they also are 100% at fault. to wait until he is gone to then pursue him for things like this that have been rumored for decades, means they were okay with it when it was there and they heard about it.... that puts them at fault as well.

if it turns out to be true and the only just found out.. then not a political maneuver... if they knew for years and did nothing and waited till now, they are doing it as a political maneuver, and perhaps should be investigated and removed as well

I agree.... Boren should receive due process and not the type of due process that he gave the innocent members of the SAE.

I suspected you had SAE roots based on the unabashed hate for Boren that you've displayed all over this thread. This validates my suspicion.

It is sad you are holding some old fraternity membership in a higher place than your support for the actual University.

Shame on you. Watching the University politics devolve into a mud-slinging contest to the detriment of the institution while rooting for more damage is a really bad look.

Also, if you think the members of SAE are "innocent" then you need to check yourself.

Pardon my French here, but this thread is now the official OKCtalk Dumbass thread of the...ever. Anyone that has a good few minutes should go back and read all the mega conservative drivel in this thread. Honestly, it's embarrassing as a former student at OU and as an Oklahoman.

Anyway, get lost Gallogly. Dude is ruining the image of/at OU.

Pardon my French here, but this thread is now the official OKCtalk Dumbass thread of the...ever. Anyone that has a good few minutes should go back and read all the mega conservative drivel in this thread. Honestly, it's embarrassing as a former student at OU and as an Oklahoman.

Anyway, get lost Gallogly. Dude is ruining the image of/at OU.

Agreed. I dislike that this thread keeps popping up as the title is super misleading. Might make another thread to actually follow OU happenings without a sensationalist title. Maybe the former SAEs will keep posting in this thread thus permitting actual conversation in the new thread.

This investigation was approved by the OU BOR according to reports. OU is legally obligated by law to investigate. By law they must provide due process. IMHO much yet is to be learned. Not all of it is going to be pleasing.

This investigation was approved by the OU BOR according to reports. OU is legally obligated by law to investigate. By law they must provide due process. IMHO much yet is to be learned. Not all of it is going to be pleasing.

yes... but the question is when did they know? again, if only recently... then the investigation now is when it should be done... but if this is something they have known about for years, or decades... it's a different story... the BOR is legally obligated by law to investigate when they hear of the claims... not wait till it's a good opportunity.

I suspected you had SAE roots based on the unabashed hate for Boren that you've displayed all over this thread. This validates my suspicion.

It is sad you are holding some old fraternity membership in a higher place than your support for the actual University.

Shame on you. Watching the University politics devolve into a mud-slinging contest to the detriment of the institution while rooting for more damage is a really bad look.

Also, if you think the members of SAE are "innocent" then you need to check yourself.
Wrong!

I have never been a member of any university fraternity...In fact I personally do not particularly care for them..... but that doesn’t mean they should have their rights violated or do I want to see OU legally exposed by how Boren handled this issue without due process. The denial of due process by Boren was a huge red flag to many people who understood the laws.

I dated several girls who were in sorties...In fact I have been married to one for nearly 33 years.

This investigation was approved by the OU BOR according to reports. OU is legally obligated by law to investigate. By law they must provide due process. IMHO much yet is to be learned. Not all of it is going to be pleasing.


Lol. This is my point.

yes... but the question is when did they know? again, if only recently... then the investigation now is when it should be done... but if this is something they have known about for years, or decades... it's a different story... the BOR is legally obligated by law to investigate when they hear of the claims... not wait till it's a good opportunity.

My guess is virtually everyone had heard the decades old rumors
.... but because there were no victims willing to report what had happened to authorities nothing could be done.
We have seen many examples where victims have lived in fear of retaliation for a long time...My guess is that was the case here.

With Boren out of power and the me too movement so much in the news it probably gave courage for individuals to come forward.

With this in the news it’s not unreasonable to believe that others who could have suffered might now come forward with damaging information about Boren.

Lol. This is my point.
Do you believe OU should now not follow the laws and legally expose the university to even more embarrassing legal actions that could trigger an investigation of OU by federal authorities that could involve major penalties?

Maybe you do... but I don’t think we want to avoid our problems like Baylor did.

I dated several girls who were in sorties...In fact I have been married to one for nearly 33 years.
Of this I have no doubt.

I suspected you had SAE roots based on the unabashed hate for Boren that you've displayed all over this thread. This validates my suspicion.

It is sad you are holding some old fraternity membership in a higher place than your support for the actual University.

Shame on you. Watching the University politics devolve into a mud-slinging contest to the detriment of the institution while rooting for more damage is a really bad look.

Also, if you think the members of SAE are "innocent" then you need to check yourself.

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Of this I have no doubt.
Why do have no doubt?

This helps illustrate why OU needs to double its research.

This article sites Scott Meacham who is a former state treasurer under Governor Henry.
Meacham is exceptionally capable and is a good guy.

“We’re very aware of the vision President Gallogly has laid out, and applaud it, quite frankly,” Meacham said.

Click to read full article.
http://www.oudaily.com/news/review-shows-oklahoma-has-lost-ground-in-innovative-science-technology/article_c1dc6dd6-2fc6-11e9-aa9b-7f6f9baef6f9.html

Review shows Oklahoma has lost ground in innovative science, technology fields
A technological and economic review published in late 2018 revealed Oklahoma has lost significant ground to its neighbors in innovative fields, something OU President James Gallogly is aiming to change by doubling the university’s research output.

The data was published by the Milken Institute, a nonprofit think tank focused on creating jobs and encouraging economic development.

This helps illustrate why OU needs to double its research.

This article sites Scott Meacham who is a former state treasurer under Governor Henry.
Meacham is exceptionally capable and is a good guy.

“We’re very aware of the vision President Gallogly has laid out, and applaud it, quite frankly,” Meacham said.

Click to read full article.
http://www.oudaily.com/news/review-shows-oklahoma-has-lost-ground-in-innovative-science-technology/article_c1dc6dd6-2fc6-11e9-aa9b-7f6f9baef6f9.html

Review shows Oklahoma has lost ground in innovative science, technology fields
A technological and economic review published in late 2018 revealed Oklahoma has lost significant ground to its neighbors in innovative fields, something OU President James Gallogly is aiming to change by doubling the university’s research output.

The data was published by the Milken Institute, a nonprofit think tank focused on creating jobs and encouraging economic development.

Yes, and during Boren's tenure they were very active in looking and applying for grants and for corporate sponsors for research. I am personally familiar with several having participated from a corporate side for nano-technology research and development at the energy center on the Norman Campus. Glad to see Gallogly is endorsing and emphasizing one of Boren's pet initiatives.

Yes, and during Boren's tenure they were very active in looking and applying for grants and for corporate sponsors for research. I am personally familiar with several having participated from a corporate side for nano-technology research and development at the energy center on the Norman Campus. Glad to see Gallogly is endorsing and emphasizing one of Boren's pet initiatives.

I believe that Boren championed the legislation enabling professors and researchers at Oklahoma colleges and universities to share in the revenue from patents developed from such activities, thereby setting up incentives to make Oklahoma more competitive to get research dollars from other than the state, since the state legislature is notoriously conservative and not value seekers.

I have to believe a review of salaries of professors in excess of $250,000 annually might want to be reviewed. I was absolutely stunned when I saw the list of profs *in one college alone* within OU drawing that kind of money.

Where did you see such a list? The only list I've seen with something even close to this showed several sub-specialty surgeons at the medical school making more than $250K. Given they are still making less than they would in private practice, and that their salaries are almost completely funded with the clinical revenue they generate, it is not stunning or inappropriate. If you want to have a quality medical school with effective faculty they have to make somewhere at least in the ball park of what they would make in practice.

cheers

All (or at least most) Oklahoma state employee salaries are public information if you know where to look on https://www.ok.gov/, and that include the university system.

I'd link it myself but I don't actually remember where it is at the moment.

Where did you see such a list? The only list I've seen with something even close to this showed several sub-specialty surgeons at the medical school making more than $250K. Given they are still making less than they would in private practice, and that their salaries are almost completely funded with the clinical revenue they generate, it is not stunning or inappropriate. If you want to have a quality medical school with effective faculty they have to make somewhere at least in the ball park of what they would make in practice.

cheers
I asked the same thing when he posted that comment but he never answered

Very sad to see people hell bent on disparaging the reputation of a lifelong Oklahoman. A citizen/statesman who did nothing but give his life serving to make this State better. I lay this at the feet of Galogly

We all had heard rumors about things like this while we were in school. Many people were not surprised about this.

I suspected you had SAE roots based on the unabashed hate for Boren that you've displayed all over this thread. This validates my suspicion.

It is sad you are holding some old fraternity membership in a higher place than your support for the actual University.

Shame on you. Watching the University politics devolve into a mud-slinging contest to the detriment of the institution while rooting for more damage is a really bad look.

Also, if you think the members of SAE are "innocent" then you need to check yourself.

I know you, and I know that you know a lot of SAE guys. The majority were innocent in that situation. Many of us hold our fraternity membership on the same level as our affiliation with ou. If you don’t understand that I’m sorry. Boren did what he needed to do to a point but overstepped on that deal.

The same innocent SAE members that practiced and passed on racist songs? Oh, the unproven claims that happened to be caught on tape?

There are great people on both sides, right?

Rover, yes most of the sae members were innocent in that deal. But whatever, you’ve turned into quite the Boren tool on this thread, I Willis expect nothing less.

Agreed. I dislike that this thread keeps popping up as the title is super misleading. Might make another thread to actually follow OU happenings without a sensationalist title. Maybe the former SAEs will keep posting in this thread thus permitting actual conversation in the new thread.

Do you realize how stupid it is to assume that sae has something to do with this. If we knew something conclusively, do you not think it would’ve been more advantageous to have brought it up 4 years ago when all of that happened. Some of you all just have the blinders on and want to believe that Boren was Jesus Christ or something. It is hilarious.

i created the title, it was literally the headline in the Oklahoman and it is a factual statement.

In an interview Thursday, Bob Burke, an attorney and spokesman for Boren denied any misconduct.

"I’m frustrated that he has been accused of horrible things without any details. We have never been informed by the university that there has been a formal complaint, and we’ve requested meetings with the Jones Day attorneys for months and they have refused to meet with us," Burke said. "But, I’ve made an extensive list of hundreds of aides down through the years. I’ve heard from probably 15 to 20 former aides of Boren’s in the past 24 hours who have said, 'Hey, talk to us. We’ll tell them, David Boren 100 percent of the time, whether in person or in public, always acts appropriately.'"

https://kfor.com/2019/02/14/we-dont-know-of-any-aide-who-has-ever-complained-attorney-of-boren-denies-misconduct-allegations/

Guess (some of us) will have to wait and see if someone comes forward with something other than a rumor. It could happen. Or not. Meanwhile, haters gonna hate.

I know you, and I know that you know a lot of SAE guys. The majority were innocent in that situation. Many of us hold our fraternity membership on the same level as our affiliation with ou. If you donÂ’t understand that IÂ’m sorry. Boren did what he needed to do to a point but overstepped on that deal.

I'm glad we know each other outside of this website. Please send me a PM so I know who I'm talking with.

As to SAE - yes there were a ton of guys who were not on that bus singing a racist chant. But, the racist chant was part of the fraternity's identity, right? I mean it literally had "SAE" in the rhyme. This does not make every SAE racist. But how would Boren have better handled a situation wherein a house's identity is seemingly racist?

I count a number of SAEs as good friends. I know them to be a group of highly social, super fun, intelligent dudes. One of my closest buddies is an SAE and if you know me then you know that as well. None of the SAEs I know have ever said anything racist or struck me as being racists.

All of that said, the hate for Boren from SAE is overwhelming. When I talk with alumni with greek roots the thoughts on Gallogly are the same - he is worrisome and he is handling the transition very poorly. Everyone seems to feel this way with exception to SAEs whose hate for Boren is so thick that they will support anyone who isn't Boren. Now that Boren's legacy is under attack the rally cry is even stronger.



I don't have all the answers. Maybe there is some piece of this puzzle that I am missing. Maybe the BOR knows something the rest of us don't. From what info is available to the public, Gallogly looks vindictive to the point of danger.

The damage is already being seen at OU:
http://www.oudaily.com/news/ou-donations-down-significantly-during-chaotic-period-at-university/article_7adaf0f2-30ab-11e9-abdf-0765264ac31e.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=user-share&fbclid=IwAR1Jlw7KNGTz_fsoiQ8sqkwIs99Q1XFRwsC4Vsb2p c_MmoZku_sPZ54_7h8

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From that article:


Donations to the university are down 41 percent compared to the last fiscal year amid a chaotic period in the university’s history compounded by the departure of multiple high-level development officers and a rocky presidential transition.

As of Jan. 10, according to an internal office of development memo obtained by The Daily, the university has raised $48,905,322 during fiscal year 2019, which started July 1, 2018. At this point in fiscal year 2018, which started July 1, 2017, the university had raised $82,980,776.


From the outset, Gallogly seemed more interested in destroying Boren and his legacy than improving OU.

And I said this from the very beginning where before Gallogly even started, he began ripping into Boren, including giving the false impression that OU's debt load was dangerously high, as it was later proven it is well within norms.

And since that time, he has followed the exact same course.


I was dubious of Gallogly from the minute he started to tear down the previous administration, as there is absolutely no reason a leader needs to trash the predecessor. And in fact, anyone who knows about leadership realizes that just makes you look petty and insecure. Real leaders simply focus on the positive changes they want to bring, and that can always be accomplished without crapping on the previous leadership.

Now, this has turned into a full-scale disaster. So he's saving some money here and there but donations are down by tens of millions.

That's completely contrary to what he has stated is his primary purpose: to improve the financial standing of the university.


Now will come those (or probably just one) who will try and claim that this is all Boren's fault too.

including giving the false impression that OU's debt load was dangerously high, as it was later proven it is well within norms.



What do you mean by "well within norms"? Not trying to be combative, honestly just curious.

What do you mean by "well within norms"? Not trying to be combative, honestly just curious.

After Gallogly made that claim, there were several reports comparing OU's debt to similar-sized universities, including OSU, and that OU was quite typical in this regard.

The articles are posted in this thread.

I'd be willing to listen to and believe any accusers of Boren if any came forward with a story that checks out, but so far it's just the university opening an investigation and no names named. Given the man at the helm and what has been reported about him and his intentions toward Boren, OU's administration needs to put more on the table if they want this to look like anything other than a fulfillment of “You tell him that I am the meanest son of a bitch he has ever seen, and if he ever crosses me again, I will destroy him.”

Do you realize how stupid it is to assume that sae has something to do with this. If we knew something conclusively, do you not think it would’ve been more advantageous to have brought it up 4 years ago when all of that happened. Some of you all just have the blinders on and want to believe that Boren was Jesus Christ or something. It is hilarious.

i created the title, it was literally the headline in the Oklahoman and it is a factual statement.

Factual doesn’t mean it isn’t misleading and dishonest.

Sorry so many SAEs had their feelings hurt. If they were really concerned they would have put forth a real solution to the perpetuation of racist traditions in their own society and maybe even disassociated voluntarily til they could prove they had extinguished that activity. Sometimes excommunication is the correct response. OUs African American population deserved swift and decisive action.

The defense of Gallogly on this board seems to be fueled by football conference affiliation, political ilk, and anger for racist activity retribution. I’ve yet to see discussion of real academic and student development.

To those not living in a bubble but in the real world of finance.. a drop in donations to most universities could have been easily anticipated many months ago.

The Tax Law changes tied to sports tickets is impacting donations to many universities ...but that’s not all... as seen below smaller donations which is what OU is more dependent on were expected to take a hit.

But I am sure the anti Gallogly forces will never not try to exploit this in spite of the fact that Gallogly could resign and the fight would go on for many years if need be because of how poorly OU had been managed for the benefit of the states economy that has seriously pissed off most of those who really matter and those who will have power at OU for a very, very long time.

Some people donated a lot more money last year so they could apply their donations under the old tax rules for the next 2 or 3 tax seasons....This is a huge reason for the drop of donations at OU that the OUdaily and the Transcript and others here are not even honest enough to report. I know plenty of OU donors who did this with their donations tied to their tickets.

From DECEMBER 28, 2017
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/charitable-giving-to-take-a-hit-from-the-tax-law/

“millions of relatively small donations that moderate-income people give to mainstream charities could be sharply reduced, they say. That means charity could become less of a middle-class enterprise and a more exclusive domain of the wealthy, who tend to give to arts and cultural institutions, research facilities and universities”

“For the large number of taxpayers who'll no longer itemize, "their cost of giving goes up dramatically," said Patrick Rooney, a professor of economic and philanthropy and director of the Lilly Family School of Philanthropy at Indiana University. "It will absolutely have a negative impact."

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Right on cue.

Lol. Baghdad Bob has resurfaced in Norman, OK.

That’s some pretty good spin there. Gotta give it to him/her.....they stay on point with their messaging. Make Norman Great Again.

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Right on cue.

^Such a frustrating responses to the truth of the tax law changes that are impacting all universities....Something that people like you willing ignore out of your dislike for someone and his people who actually know what’s going on in the real world of modern day finance and how tax laws have changed.

You had might as well accept the fact that the Gallogly’s vision for OU is not going anywhere for decades. It will last for a very long time after he is gone.

Like it or not... it’s a fact that more people are starting to take back their states universities demanding reforms. OU is no different.

I'm reminded of a story about an outgoing President who was fired from a company and his replacement. I'll change the names:

Boren to Gallogly: This is not an easy job and soon, things will get rough for you and the Board will want answers. So, I have prepared 3 letters marked 1-2-3. Open them as needed.

After the first year, things weren't going so well, so in advance of the annual board meeting, Gallogly goes to the safe and takes out envelope 1. It says: " There were lots of people who were second guessing me and didn't like me. Blame me for the troubles."

Gallogly used the advice and the board agreed that Boren had been a problem in their eyes.

Before the second year Board meeting, things still weren't better, and in fact were worse. So, Gallogly goes to the safe and gets envelope 2. The message: "Blame the economy"

Gallogly goes to the board and implores that he needs more time. Everyone knows there were problems with the economy, tax laws, regulations, etc. The Board thinks it makes sense.

Leading up to the third board meeting, things were in even more of a mess. Gallogly goes to get envelope 3 because 1 & 2 proved to be sage advice that save his butt. Upon opening the third envelope he read: "PREPARE 3 ENVELOPES!"

It sure hasn't taken Gallogly and his sycophant(s) long to open and use envelope 2! Can't wait for envelope #3 :)

I think you also underestimate the amount of faculty and staff who donate while working at OU. I have a feeling a lot of them aren't happy right now and have ceased their donations.

Like it or not... it’s a fact that more people are starting to take back their states universities demanding reforms. OU is no different.

There we go....took a while but the masking is coming off. Make America Great Again. Back when people knew their place.

Take back our universities from all those evil liberals who prize knowledge over opinion, facts over propaganda, diversity over purity of linage, knowledge growth over greed, multi-nationalism over white nationalism, globalism over protectionism. Take it back from the "intellectual" tea sippers.

Hmmm.. where have we heard this before?

^Such a frustrating responses to the truth of the tax law changes that are impacting all universities....Something that people like you willing ignore out of your dislike for someone and his people who actually know what’s going on in the real world of modern day finance and how tax laws have changed.

You had might as well accept the fact that the Gallogly’s vision for OU is not going anywhere for decades. It will last for a very long time after he is gone.

Like it or not... it’s a fact that more people are starting to take back their states universities demanding reforms. OU is no different.

You are right to be frustrated that your point about the tax law wasn't taken seriously. There were projections that the change regarding deductions would indeed cause people to donate less. The projections I saw suggested it would cause a 3-5% cut:

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/has-the-new-tax-law-stopped-people-from-giving-to-charity-2018-11-27

It turns out that to be even less. Most charities are flat or up this year:

https://www.insidephilanthropy.com/home/2019/1/14/predictions-that-tax-reform-will-depress-giving-are-wrong-at-least-for-2018

Either way, it hardly explains OU's drop of 40% in donations.

You made a reasonable suggestion which was worth investigating. The numbers suggest that we should look for other explanations.

^Such a frustrating responses to the truth of the tax law changes that are impacting all universities....Something that people like you willing ignore out of your dislike for someone and his people who actually know what’s going on in the real world of modern day finance and how tax laws have changed.

And, we might ask how those tax laws got changed, and by whom. Let's see.. the right wingers got this deduction included to offset the corporate give-away of lowering their taxes, while at the same time they have been dramatically decreasing state level funding. This has been as an attempt to drive publicly funded universities to grovel at the trough of corporations who have dramatically cut their own R&D spending and want access to the R&D available to them through state universities and students working for practically nothing.

The Philanthropy Outlook uses empirical data produced through rigorous analysis to develop projections for total giving, giving by source and giving to three types of recipient nonprofits (education, health and public-society benefit organizations), and describes how different economic variables and other factors will impact giving in 2019 and 2020. The report examines the complex environment for philanthropy and emerging trends related to giving by high-net-worth individuals/households.

The study’s key findings include:

Total charitable giving is predicted to grow (3.4 % in 2019 and 4.1% in 2020), rising above the historical 10-year, 25-year, and 40-year annualized average rates of growth.

Giving by individuals is predicted to grow (2.1% in 2019 and 3.4% in 2020), but will trail the rate of growth for total giving.

Giving by foundations (7.0% in 2019 and 6.1% in 2020) and giving by estates (5.4% in 2019 and 5.6% in 2020) are expected to experience strong growth, outpacing growth rates for total giving in 2019 and 2020.

Giving by corporations is also projected to grow (3.2% in 2019 and by 2.6% in 2020), but will lag behind rates of growth for total giving.

Strong growth rates are projected for giving to education (3.5% in 2019 and 5.7% in 2020) and giving to health (5.2% in 2019 and 4.4% in 2020). These types of nonprofits have traditionally been associated with high-net-worth giving.

Rover, Boulder, please, quit with the bringing in real facts and legit sources to make the Pro-Gallogly crowd look silly. It really hurts their "don't care lol Boren sucks (he was gay ya know) haha MAGA lol" arguments. Also their "take the colleges back from the students" arguments.

But for real. PhiAlpha and Soonersomeone...dudes. Y'all looking bad.

And, we might ask how those tax laws got changed, and by whom. Let's see.. the right wingers got this deduction included to offset the corporate give-away of lowering their taxes, while at the same time they have been dramatically decreasing state level funding. This has been as an attempt to drive publicly funded universities to grovel at the trough of corporations who have dramatically cut their own R&D spending and want access to the R&D available to them through state universities and students working for practically nothing.

This just proves you have absolutely no clue what the function of a research university is. Students are taught how to locate funding (which is done all over the corporate world, too. It's a great ability to acquire), conduct proper research, taught how to go through the processes, the documentation, etc. Some universities have such great funding that they have made incredible discoveries. Of course much of the funding comes from corporations and it ought to. It also comes from individuals and it comes from the government. As for working for practically nothing, that is what a school does. It's called SCHOOL. No one is forcing anyone to do any of this work and everyone doing it is free to move on anytime he or she wishes.

Edit: Also, a school cannot give the results of it's research back to a specific corporation. Schools own the results and often benefit financially from the results Many universities have created separate non-profits to take in research funding and to hold the financial benefits the research can bring, including partial ownership of new business ventures resulting from the research discoveries.

This just proves you have absolutely no clue what the function of a research university is. Students are taught how to locate funding (which is done all over the corporate world, too. It's a great ability to acquire), conduct proper research, taught how to go through the processes, the documentation, etc. Some universities have such great funding that they have made incredible discoveries. Of course much of the funding comes from corporations and it ought to. It also comes from individuals and it comes from the government. As for working for practically nothing, that is what a school does. It's called SCHOOL. No one is forcing anyone to do any of this work and everyone doing it is free to move on anytime he or she wishes.

I've been involved from the corporate side, so yes I do understand how it works.
I'm all for research grants to universities under the right agreements and for the right reasons. But when some grants are given so that universities research reveals expected results, it is not right.

And students or not, they should be paid appropriately. Companies benefit from the output. Professors can share in the revenue that results. But, like athletes, the students should be paid. Universities are not to replace corporate R&D or to make corporations look good.

I've been involved from the corporate side, so yes I do understand how it works.
I'm all for research grants to universities under the right agreements and for the right reasons. But when some grants are given so that universities research reveals expected results, it is not right.

You know, I'm sure there are some isolated cases where something like that may have happened but in order to do that, the corporation would have to criminalize the professor. This should be quite easy to spot and to bring into the open. It doesn't mean corporate money, in general, is tainted.

I have a PHD relative at a prominent school who is involved in entomology research that supports a controversial position. I can vouch that he is quite liberal and quite prominent in his field, traveling worldwide to give speeches and present his findings. He is 100% honest and has not been bought off by corporations but I can guaranty you most on the left would accuse him of being bought off because his research results don't support the standard "green" position. Sometimes the research simply doesn't support the popular standing on a subject - sort of like the anti vaccinator (sp?) crowd.

You know, I'm sure there are some isolated cases where something like that may have happened but in order to do that, the corporation would have to criminalize the professor. This should be quite easy to spot and to bring into the open. It doesn't mean corporate money, in general, is tainted.

I have a PHD relative at a prominent school who is involved in entomology research that supports a controversial position. I can vouch that he is quite liberal and quite prominent in his field, traveling worldwide to give speeches and present his findings. He is 100% honest and has not been bought off by corporations but I can guaranty you most on the left would accuse him of being bought off because his research results don't support the standard "green" position. Sometimes the research simply doesn't support the popular standing on a subject - sort of like the anti vaccinator (sp?) crowd.

Or, "No, injection water doesn't create earthquakes"?

I agree most research is above board, but it doesn't take criminalizing a prof to manipulate the system. It is sort of like Pete's spotlight on writing favorable stories on advertisers. There are lots of straight up great journalists with integrity, but there are plenty that are opportunistic also. Let's not be too naive (or in my case, maybe too cynical :) )

You are right to be frustrated that your point about the tax law wasn't taken seriously. There were projections that the change regarding deductions would indeed cause people to donate less. The projections I saw suggested it would cause a 3-5% cut:

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/has-the-new-tax-law-stopped-people-from-giving-to-charity-2018-11-27

It turns out that to be even less. Most charities are flat or up this year:

https://www.insidephilanthropy.com/home/2019/1/14/predictions-that-tax-reform-will-depress-giving-are-wrong-at-least-for-2018

Either way, it hardly explains OU's drop of 40% in donations.

You made a reasonable suggestion which was worth investigating. The numbers suggest that we should look for other explanations.
Both links fail to account for the changes made to donations tied to ticket locations which had many OU people making 3 years’ worth of donations in 2017. At OU most donations are not coming from the extremely wealthy like those giving to many other charities that were not impacted by the tax law changes nearly as much as less well-off people.

Furthermore many donations at OU are made at the end of the year and are directly tied to the performance of the stock market and oil & NG. The last 1/3 or so of 2018 was very bad for the market and those links do not account for the market drop.

It’s very reasonable to see why donations would have dropped in 2018. Had Boren still been around he would have been dealing with the same tax law changes and a drop in donations.


I’m sure there are individuals who hate Gallogly, this OU BOR and the entire OU support system made up of people who matter by so much that they have withheld their donations. They are only causing harm... because Gallogly and his vision for OU isn’t going anywhere for decades.

The forces in this state are in the process of controlling the excesses at OU that do not contribute to this state’s economy. It won’t be long before Stitt starts forcing changes at OSU and at colleges in our state. We are just now starting to see similar movement in a few other states.