Looks like they have been developing the commercial section of the neighborhood on that corner. Doing lots of dirt work from what I can tell. I have no idea how to search through permits, so I was wondering if anyone knows what is planned there. I’m guessing standard strip mall with a nail salon, maybe a Subway, and maybe a liquor store?

There haven't been any permits filed as of yet.

That corner is owned by Caliber which is the developer of that entire square mile called The Grove:

http://www.thegroveok.com/index.php?id=4

We live in Valencia right now and are building in the Grove, so I noticed from the site plan that it was labeled as commercial. But I haven’t seen any more details as of yet.

Any word on what this is going to be?

OK County Assessor shows it as Caliber Development Company. Not sure, how it is zoned. Caliber was the developer of the Grove sub-division, but have also been known for office and industrial.

Probably a mix of residential and retail. Hard to see a company taking a chance on mixed-used in a location this far to the North.

http://www.okctalk.com/showthread.php?t=44293

As someone who lives and shops in far Northwest OKC, any business that can alleviate trips south to Penn and Memorial or east to 2nd and Bryant/ Broadway Retail in Edmond is welcomed!

We heavily support the Scholtzsky's at 192nd and Portland (in a gas station strip mall). The location is small, but I applaud the owners for taking a "risk" and it is much easier to get to compared to the other stores at Memorial and Highland Parkway or Danforth and Kelly.

I live next to that corner and I have a habit of forgetting about the Dollar General just a mile away and end up taking the trip to Target or Walmart way to often for little things that I could pick up there.

https://retailproperties.cbre.us/property/output/document/view/id:8062

Any ideas what is going in here, shows 3 fast food, pharmacy, grocery, and retail.

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Nothing has been sold.

I believe they are still marketing all those properties.

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Nothing has been sold.

I believe they are still marketing all those properties.

Wonder if it will be a neighborhood Walmart or what else might fit in that square footage.

https://retailproperties.cbre.us/p/retail-real-estate-listings/Oklahoma+City-OK-73012/okcswcornerof178thandmay#highlights

https://retailproperties.cbre.us/property/output/document/view/id:33971

Land is currently being cleared.and making way for a Starbucks, 7 Eleven, Taco Bell, and more. This is planned for the northwest corner of 178th and May Avenue.

Appears that a grocery store will be built just north of the proposed 7 Eleven. Given the size, most likely a Walmart Neighborhood style store (32,000 square feet). (I mean you could hope with Rose Creek just south it would be something like a TJ's or Uptown, but I wouldn't hold your breath)

Given the density of the neighborhoods in this area, and how there isn't much other retail developed in the immediate area, these places should make bank.

There's a huge new Apartment development way out on N May and 192 NW May which is basically Danforth in Edmond. I don't get the name. It's stupid but they look really nice.
https://www.35degreesapts.com/?rcstdid=Mg%3D%3D-YRjTEizZPgM%3D

There's a huge new Apartment development way out on N May and 192 NW May which is basically Danforth in Edmond. I don't get the name. It's stupid but they look really nice.
https://www.35degreesapts.com/?rcstdid=Mg%3D%3D-YRjTEizZPgM%3D

I'm guessing the name has to do with a directional compass or geography. Seeing how this complex is at the edge of OKC City limits, it's one of the farthest north/north west properties. A compass bearing of 350 degrees north from the city center, or shortened to "35 degrees North"

Right. I get it. But seriously.

Could also be related to the fact that OKC is at 35 Degrees North latitude.

Sigh. A Wal-Mart market, a 7-11, a Taco Bell, in another thread a Dollar General was mentioned. All on disconnected little lots. In an area that has a pretty high income level (for Oklahoma). These sorts of things just make me so sleepy. I mean, this is really bottom-of-the-barrel stuff. But I’m sure they’ll all do well.

Sigh. A Wal-Mart market, a 7-11, a Taco Bell, in another thread a Dollar General was mentioned. All on disconnected little lots. In an area that has a pretty high income level (for Oklahoma). These sorts of things just make me so sleepy. I mean, this is really bottom-of-the-barrel stuff. But I’m sure they’ll all do well.

Agreed, was hoping for something like the offerings near Kelly and Covell in Edmond. According to the fact sheet from CRBE, average household income in the immediate area (1 mile radius) is over $143,000!

Perspective, Yukon's shopping center with Target, etc has an average income of $88,000, Shops at Moore (Hobby Lobby, Best Buy, etc) has average income of $76,000.

This is planned for the northwest corner of 178th and May Avenue. .

what is interesting is that another retail development is planned for the NW corner of 164th and May that last i heard would include a grocery store ...

what is interesting is that another retail development is planned for the NW corner of 164th and May that last i heard would include a grocery store ...

The area can support it, 50,000+ people that all would rather drive somewhere else than Penn and Memorial or west Edmond for groceries. ;)

This whole thing just makes me so crazy. First of all, the offerings themselves are so awful. Like nobody in Edmond or North OKC even thought about what the highest or best use of the property would be. And then, they are just thrown up willy-nilly with no organized setup. Let's just sell each small piece of land on its own without any context with what's around it. The suburbs of OKC are so damn junky. I mean, what city department attempts to regulate this stuff? Argh!

Sigh. A Wal-Mart market, a 7-11, a Taco Bell, in another thread a Dollar General was mentioned. All on disconnected little lots. In an area that has a pretty high income level (for Oklahoma). These sorts of things just make me so sleepy. I mean, this is really bottom-of-the-barrel stuff. But I’m sure they’ll all do well.

+!

https://retailproperties.cbre.us/p/retail-real-estate-listings/Oklahoma+City-OK-73012/okcswcornerof178thandmay#highlights

https://retailproperties.cbre.us/property/output/document/view/id:33971

Land is currently being cleared.and making way for a Starbucks, 7 Eleven, Taco Bell, and more. This is planned for the northwest corner of 178th and May Avenue.

Appears that a grocery store will be built just north of the proposed 7 Eleven. Given the size, most likely a Walmart Neighborhood style store (32,000 square feet). (I mean you could hope with Rose Creek just south it would be something like a TJ's or Uptown, but I wouldn't hold your breath)

Given the density of the neighborhoods in this area, and how there isn't much other retail developed in the immediate area, these places should make bank.

Where did you get information about a grocery store? We've really been hoping for one close by, specifically a Sprouts. I would hope the WM Neighborhood Market at NW 164th & Western would be too much overlap for there to be one at 178th & May.

Where did you get information about a grocery store? We've really been hoping for one close by, specifically a Sprouts. I would hope the WM Neighborhood Market at NW 164th & Western would be too much overlap for there to be one at 178th & May.

The parcel next to Starbucks is listed as 32,000 feet and under contract. Walmart Neighborhood Markets tend to be around that size. Other grocery stores that are not “Super” tend to be 60-75k square feet. The only other thing in this range would be Aldi, but they tend to be a little smaller usually around 20k sq ft.

At one time, OKC PUD 1604 had a grocery store coming in at 192nd and May, but it appears that development has stalled.

There was also a rumor of a higher end grocery store coming to the northwest corner of 164th and May. If that comes to realization, it seems to be where a Sprouts, or a second TJ’s could go, pulling in traffic from west Edmond and the Quail Springs/ Deer Creek area.

We aren't crazy about another WM, but if the store is more like the one across from Casady school and less like the one at NW 164th & Western, we'll be pretty happy with that.

Sprouts or TJ's would be fantastic at NW 164th & May!

Does anyone know who the developer is on this project?

The "Available" sign is gone from the section that may be a grocery store and there is machinery out there leveling that ground.

Does anyone know if something has been finalized?

The "Available" sign is gone from the section that may be a grocery store and there is machinery out there leveling that ground.

Does anyone know if something has been finalized?

"Tell me you are putting in a Walmart, without telling me you are putting in a Walmart" ;)

Given how the other two confirmed businesses, Starbucks and Taco Bell, are easily advertised in the parcel listing and the "mystery" store remains under contract without advertising the business, it almost seems certain that it would be a Walmart NM, but keeping quiet to avoid the "NIMBY's" from Rose Creek, Valencia, and Grove.

Do we have any idea what the grocery store is yet?

Do we have any idea what the grocery store is yet?

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This gives a better view of what is anticipated on that corner. The grocery store is listed around 30k sq ft as parcel F. I think if it was something else besides a Walmart Neighborhood Market, it would have been announced.

The new Homeland at NE36th and Lincoln is around 30k square feet, but I think they would have announced if they were coming to this side of OKC.

Crest and Winco are out as 30k is too small for their model. Pruett's/Uptown doesn't seem likely either.

What about Sprouts?

My strong impression is that grocery store is just conceptual.

9 times out of 10 developers just put renderings together to market to the type of tenants they want.

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This gives a better view of what is anticipated on that corner. The grocery store is listed around 30k sq ft as parcel F. I think if it was something else besides a Walmart Neighborhood Market, it would have been announced.

The new Homeland at NE36th and Lincoln is around 30k square feet, but I think they would have announced if they were coming to this side of OKC.

Crest and Winco are out as 30k is too small for their model. Pruett's/Uptown doesn't seem likely either.


What about Fresh Market?! They have a location in Tulsa and I think this would fit there demographic and business model!

Drove past today, after clearing the land and sitting still the past few months, dirt is finally moving on the corner and it appears the crew is working on the Taco Bell lot location first.

Today, it looks like the corner lot that is reported to be a 7-11 has major dirt work going on. Judging from the size of the piles of dirt and what little I could see inside the lot, they are digging the holes for the gas tanks.

On a related note, in the strip mall at NW 178th & Penn, the Mexican style chicken place is being replaced by a taqueria called "The Chosen Juan". They appear to have a food truck here in the metro.

On a related note, in the strip mall at NW 178th & Penn, the Mexican style chicken place is being replaced by a taqueria called "The Chosen Juan". They appear to have a food truck here in the metro.
That’s pretty funny!

Someone on the local Facebook page, who is somehow involved in the Taco Bell on the corner, said the plans he saw indicate a Neighborhood Market for this corner. From the sound of his post, he bid on more than one project there, and indicated he hadn't seen an overall plan, just individual plans submitted for bids, so that sounds pretty definitive for WM on the corner. Not my first choice, but if it's like the one across from Casady school, it will mitigate my disappoint quite a bit. If it's like the one at NW 164th & Western.... :lame:

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/178may010922a.jpg

Why would Wally World put another NM two miles away from another location? Maybe just because they can? Very interesting.

Why would Wally World put another NM two miles away from another location? Maybe just because they can? Very interesting.

Splitting hairs here, but technically three miles to the one at 164th and Western from 178th and May.
Why another walmart NM? The density can support it. Nearly every developed piece of land between these two walmarts is housing. This grocery store, despite being a walmart, will do well. It will also probably pull as far west as Piedmont and north outside of city limits.

Maybe the best news about a walmart Neighborhood Market being placed on this corner of 178th and May is that it would be unlikely that a walmart Supercenter would be built less than a mile west at the newly approved big box Portland Power Center at 178th and Portland.

Pete, thanks for the drone shot. Really gives scope to how large this area is and how it backs up completely to The Grove housing, compared to just driving by it.

Maybe the best news about a walmart Neighborhood Market being placed on this corner of 178th and May is that it would be unlikely that a walmart Supercenter would be built less than a mile west at the newly approved big box Portland Power Center at 178th and Portland.


Remember, Walmart is planning a Super Center on the NE corner of Memorial and Rockwell.

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/178may010922a.jpg

That space still doesn't look big enough for a Neighborhood Market, to me.

A Trader Joes would fit and it would kill it here.

A Trader Joes would fit and it would kill it here.

Amen to that. We make the drive down to Nichols Hills Plaza about every three or four weeks since we live so far north, but would frequent one at this location probably weekly if not more. I love TJs.

A Trader Joes would fit and it would kill it here.

I know it's amazing to think there is a large segment of the OKC population that buys groceries outside of a corporation based in Northwest Arkansas.

I would love a TJ's, Sprouts, or Whole Foods further north. While this is on the edge of city limits, hoping something would pop in eventually at Chisholm Creek.

Also bummed that Winco didn't follow through on the location south of Penn/Memorial.

The grocery store will be a completely new concept:

Jack Be Grocery (https://www.okctalk.com/showthread.php?t=46773)

Sprouts in the area would be good. Also anyone hear of Aldi's planning any stores in the area. The one on Kelly in Edmond is packed sometimes that there are no parking spaces. last week did a insta cart pickup and half the pickup space had people parking in them, getting out with their own bags and walking into the store. I would guess that both would do well and take some of the pressure of the Edmond stores.

Sprouts in the area would be good. Also anyone hear of Aldi's planning any stores in the area. The one on Kelly in Edmond is packed sometimes that there are no parking spaces. last week did a insta cart pickup and half the pickup space had people parking in them, getting out with their own bags and walking into the store. I would guess that both would do well and take some of the pressure of the Edmond stores.

Aldi would benefit with two more stores north of Memorial to serve Edmond and NWOKC. Ideally one near Portland/178th and another near 15th/I-35, this would split the current share of the Kelly Aldi from serving 100,000+ people, to each one serving about 35k.

With the development of the Homeland and now Jack Be Grocercies, I think you will see more stores build this direction. The density and average household income will drive it.

I think you are correct that two in those locations would be good. One does need to understand that not just north Okc and Edmond residents shop that store but you get folks from Luther, Wellston, Guthrie and the areas around them. Limited shopping options in Guthrie, nothing really in Luther or Wellston. So basically one gets folks from a huge area that shop Edmond/North Okc. The area east of I 35 is growing fast. Another 1000 + lots before the planning commission this week. That translates to lots of new shoppers.

Three huge fuel tanks were onsite at the 7-11 location, today. That was the first time I've seen what underground tanks for gas stations look like.

The walls started going up on the Starbucks, yesterday.

Three huge fuel tanks were onsite at the 7-11 location, today. That was the first time I've seen what underground tanks for gas stations look like.

On a related note, the Casey's at 192nd and Penn is just "begging" to be open any day now. The exterior work and landscaping looks complete.

On a related note, the Casey's at 192nd and Penn is just "begging" to be open any day now. The exterior work and landscaping looks complete.

I'm watching this one closely. I've never had their pizza, but I've heard so many good things, especially about the breakfast pizza, that I look forward to trying it!

Also, the supporting structures for the roof over the gas pumps at 7-11 are going up.

You can see progress on 7 Eleven, Starbucks and Jack Be.

On the NE corner will be Winston's.

HTTP://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/178may051222a.jpg

I think they are setting construction records on that Starbucks! That thing is going up amazingly fast, while the 7-11 is going up amazingly slowly.

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/jackbe062122a.jpg

Look at all of that gorgeous red dirt!

As you can see, Starbucks is already open with a long line in the drive-thru.

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/178may081222a.jpg


http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/178may081222b.jpg

Wow, all those cloned houses, lol.....

Wow, all those cloned houses, lol.....

Now that they have opened the right lane in front of Jackbee, the traffic flow into and out of Starbucks will be much better, although it's still awful close to the intersection. Once one or more entrances open up further North on that development, it should be much easier to get out of those places.

Is that the Taco Bell that is being framed? I only see this development from May and didn't know they were building over there.