Exclusive: Amazon to bring state's first fulfillment center to airport area (http://www.okctalk.com/content.php?r=488-Exclusive-Amazon-to-bring-state-s-first-fulfillment-center-to-airport-area)

In early 2017, OKCTalk was first to report (http://www.okctalk.com/content.php?r=368) that Amazon was bringing a sortation facility to SW 15th & Council.


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That 300,000 square foot facility opened in October of 2017 and now the company has plans to bring Oklahoma's first fulfillment center to the Lariat Landing development just east of Will Rogers World Airport.

Fulfillment centers actually stock Amazon's most popular items and when an area gets such a facility, typical delivery times – even for Prime members – are reduced by a full day.


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Plans reviewed by OKCTalk show a warehouse with a footprint of 640,000 square feet and four stories for a total area of 2,560,000 sq. ft. There will also be 1,899 parking spaces.


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The facility is planned for an area just south of SW 89th and between the old Portland Avenue and the new one which was recently relocated to the east specifically for Lariat Landing.

A fulfillment center of that size typically employs 1,000 workers or more. Plans show a maximum occupancy of 2,000 people.


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Amazon launched the fulfillment center concept in 1997 and started with what now seems to be a small 93,000 square foot facility near Seattle, which was largely manual.

Now, in the United States alone Amazon operates over 320 facilities as part of their fulfillment network which amounts to over 120 million square feet. Globally, the company is approaching 200 million square feet.

29 states have currently operating Amazon fulfillment centers.

Amazon will join SkyWest (http://www.okctalk.com/content.php?r=416-SkyWest-Airlines-to-bring-375-jobs-to-OKC) and Federal Express (http://www.okctalk.com/content.php?r=466-FedEx-to-operate-100-000-SF-facility-near-airport) as large employers opening facilities near the airport.



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Cool. More jobs for OKC!

There will be big incentives paid but I don't yet know those numbers.

was really hoping for retail and restaurants in this area... but i'll take ~1000 jobs any day of the week.

Those were always meant to be further north and on the east side of New Portland.

Don't know that they have made any progress but with these types of employers coming, it will certainly help.

When combining the new FedEx warehouse facility along with Costco and now Amazon Fulfillment do you have any idea regarding possible new job creation when combining these new additions to OKC metro job force?

When reading all the comments from people who worked in these places in other states I wouldn't recommend anyone work there. It sounds like one of the worst places to work I have ever heard.

Any idea when construction will start?

When reading all the comments from people who worked in these places in other states I wouldn't recommend anyone work there. It sounds like one of the worst places to work I have ever heard.

Yeah these aren't good jobs from what I've ever heard as well.

I'm also not excited about the location and what it does to this area. I live West of here and this area is already extremely gummed up by poor traffic planning and terrible light placement. Not to mention 104th street is in disrepair throughout the intersection here. Just getting to the Walmart on the other side is a headache. At first glance I would think this would help push development across the street, but given these jobs aren't high paying, I doubt it brings anything more than fast food, which will be a disappointment.

Sorry for negative post, I knew the fulfillment center was coming, but I had really hoped it would be up on Council in the existing warehouse district near their other facility. I get why they want to be where this where they are putting it but IMO this is a negative for the area.

I agree that these jobs aren’t the greatest, but cities need these types of jobs too. We’ve been on a nice run with adding high-paying jobs from Boeing, Kratos, CACI, SkyWest, etc. Let’s not be too greedy. Lots of cities would love to have these Amazon jobs.

I am curious...the design of this building is less warehouse looking and more like a Sam's or a Costco...at least the front doors area. Will the public be able to go to this location and pickup or shop for an item?

I agree that these jobs aren’t the greatest, but cities need these types of jobs too. We’ve been on a nice run with adding high-paying jobs from Boeing, Kratos, CACI, SkyWest, etc. Let’s not be too greedy. Lots of cities would love to have these Amazon jobs.

You can have the jobs and ask them to treat the employees better. No one should feel like they are going to be fired if they need to use the restroom. That is disgusting.

When reading all the comments from people who worked in these places in other states I wouldn't recommend anyone work there. It sounds like one of the worst places to work I have ever heard.

I worked as a sorter for UPS while taking 18-21 hrs a semester at OU. It was a night job, but it paid well. I was glad to have it as it paid for school+. The job is hard, repetitive, and taxes your focus. But, if you need a job, it is far from the worst you can have.

Sorry for negative post, I knew the fulfillment center was coming, but I had really hoped it would be up on Council in the existing warehouse district near their other facility. I get why they want to be where this where they are putting it but IMO this is a negative for the area.

This certainly isn't a negative for the area. Lots of jobs and affordable housing nearby for workers. It is between the airport and an Interstate highway and won't interfere with neighborhood streets where people live. Looks to be a good choice of locations to me.

You can have the jobs and ask them to treat the employees better. No one should feel like they are going to be fired if they need to use the restroom. That is disgusting.

I did a brief job at FedEx at a sort facility and it was near slave like employment. Most people lasted about 2-3 weeks or so before they moved on. In fact, they considered “proper notice” as 3 days. They ran hiring classes continually as they expect most people to only last about that long.

They are jobs, but just because they are by a large company doesn’t necessarily mean they are good jobs. They are necessary to the macro economy, but they certainly won’t be spurring any high income type amenities in the area.

I suppose it's like anything else, if they can't keep employees or have trouble filing their positions they'll have to improve conditions and pay.

Given the low unemployment rate here and the large number of similar type jobs (UPS, FedEx and the massive Hobby Lobby complex just to the west) I would think they would have to adapt to these conditions otherwise no one is going to work for them.

Do we know if the other amazon facility will close or if both will remain open?

I also worked 4+ years at UPS in college. Unloader, loader, air dock, secondary sort. $11/hr (in the early 90s) and full medical benefits? Heck yes. Best part time job I could have possibly had in college.

Do we know if the other amazon facility will close or if both will remain open?

I imagine that facility will stay open to deal specifically with sorting. This facility as well as incoming shipments from other facilities will still need to be sorted.

I wonder with a location like this ON airport property it might lead to Prime Air (drone) operations or at least Amazon Air (cargo airline ops)?

I imagine that facility will stay open to deal specifically with sorting. This facility as well as incoming shipments from other facilities will still need to be sorted.

Correct. The sortation center that recently opened has a completely different purpose than a fulfillment center.

This certainly isn't a negative for the area. Lots of jobs and affordable housing nearby for workers. It is between the airport and an Interstate highway and won't interfere with neighborhood streets where people live. Looks to be a good choice of locations to me.

As someone that lives in the area I still disagree with your sentiment. Sure housing further North of here is affordable, but housing to the South and West is on the higher end of the metro. The people that work here, for the most part, won't be the people that live in the area.

These are physically demanding jobs however $12 to $14/hour full-time plus benefits is a far more livable wage than $7.25/hour part-time without benefits.

I don't know where they are going to find the people for these jobs, guess OKC is gonna have to start growing again and the entire city isn't falling apart.

As someone that lives in the area I still disagree with your sentiment. Sure housing further North of here is affordable, but housing to the South and West is on the higher end of the metro. The people that work here, for the most part, won't be the people that live in the area.

There is a huge swath of affordable housing to the east, all the way over to I-35

I also worked 4+ years at UPS in college. Unloader, loader, air dock, secondary sort. $11/hr (in the early 90s) and full medical benefits? Heck yes. Best part time job I could have possibly had in college.

I worked at UPS as well in the summer of 1985 while going to school. It was a night shift job and while it paid well in comparison to many other jobs, there was a reason for the pay. When I worked there it was a 20 hour a week job. So while the pay per hour rate was good, the amount of hours sucked. In addition in those days it was a closed shop. Full time dues but part time work. Add in the commute from Norman to OKC and the disruption of the natural sleep cycle of humans to sleep at night, it was a job I left within a month. As noted earlier, it took an act of congress to get a bathroom break.

Yeah these aren't good jobs from what I've ever heard as well.

I'm also not excited about the location and what it does to this area. I live West of here and this area is already extremely gummed up by poor traffic planning and terrible light placement. Not to mention 104th street is in disrepair throughout the intersection here. Just getting to the Walmart on the other side is a headache. At first glance I would think this would help push development across the street, but given these jobs aren't high paying, I doubt it brings anything more than fast food, which will be a disappointment.

Sorry for negative post, I knew the fulfillment center was coming, but I had really hoped it would be up on Council in the existing warehouse district near their other facility. I get why they want to be where this where they are putting it but IMO this is a negative for the area.

I agree with Zup as far as it being a negative here. Even between 74 and 89 would be better. This intersection is already poorly designed. The I44 SW 119 exit is even worse with all the new homes down at SW119/Meridian. As a result, many people get off at SW 104th and then go west to Meridian and then turn south to avoid all the backlog at 119th. Keep in mind that SW 104th is a 2 lane road that is the main ingress/egress from the south for the FAA. From the intersection of 104/Portland to the light at 104th/I44 is less than a football field so you will have traffic attempting to turn left east bound from Portland (It is 2 lane here thankfully) as well as the traffic leaving FAA. Hopefully they design it so most of the traffic is diverted to 89th street as far as ingress/egress.

Aren’t we still dealing with Amazon to finalize this thing?

Aren’t we able to ask companies to pay for road/intersection improvements in exchange for incentives and permits?

we asked for a HQ, we got a warehouse

Wow - The Oklahoman runs a story http://newsok.com/okc-in-talks-with-amazon-about-fulfillment-center/article/5591394 and gives no credit to OKCTalk. That’s petty, arrogant journalism.

Am I misremembering or wasn't there supposed to be a aviation themed bar somewhere near that, with a view out towards the runway?

Am I misremembering or wasn't there supposed to be a aviation themed bar somewhere near that, with a view out towards the runway?
That would be really cool.

I swear I read about it here? But when I look at the overhead view, it would need to be on the 2nd story of a building in order to get a decent look at the runway..

Yeah for some reason that does strike a bell with me too.

I agree with Zup as far as it being a negative here. Even between 74 and 89 would be better. This intersection is already poorly designed. The I44 SW 119 exit is even worse with all the new homes down at SW119/Meridian. As a result, many people get off at SW 104th and then go west to Meridian and then turn south to avoid all the backlog at 119th. Keep in mind that SW 104th is a 2 lane road that is the main ingress/egress from the south for the FAA. From the intersection of 104/Portland to the light at 104th/I44 is less than a football field so you will have traffic attempting to turn left east bound from Portland (It is 2 lane here thankfully) as well as the traffic leaving FAA. Hopefully they design it so most of the traffic is diverted to 89th street as far as ingress/egress.

My wife and I’ve noticed down on 119th that they are monitoring road traffic with counters. Guessing they are going to be getting lights. It’s becoming time consuming for those of us that live West of I44 to get to Southwest OKC.

we asked for a HQ, we got a warehouse
Be thankful. OKC could have got a big ole nothing like many other cities.

Now, in the United States alone Amazon operates over 320 facilities as part of their fulfillment network which amounts to over 120 million square feet. Globally, the company is approaching 200 million square feet.

29 states have currently operating Amazon fulfillment centers.

Many, many other cities already have these. It's in Amazon's business model to open one or more of them in any metro area with enough of an Amazon using population to justify it.

One silver lining to the location is that it will be very visible from airplanes landing and taking off on the east runway. Some good advertising for OKC by having such a large facility by such a large company in direct eyesight of business travelers and first time visitors.

I know this mentions shortened delivery times for the popular products, but does this bring the prospect of same day delivery?

I know this mentions shortened delivery times for the popular products, but does this bring the prospect of same day delivery?

That will probably only happen through drones, and Amazon is getting very close to making that happen.

Ironically, that would likely be an issue with this location being so close to the airport.

I know they do same day delivery in some areas using traditional delivery methods, so didn't know if that would be in play. I already get one day delivery on lots of items through Prime, but especially in the IT world, getting parts same day would be amazing.

I know they do same day delivery in some areas using traditional delivery methods, so didn't know if that would be in play. I already get one day delivery on lots of items through Prime, but especially in the IT world, getting parts same day would be amazing.

I bet they will offer it on some items.

I know they do same day delivery in some areas using traditional delivery methods, so didn't know if that would be in play. I already get one day delivery on lots of items through Prime, but especially in the IT world, getting parts same day would be amazing.

Same day is through their Prime Now facilities which are completely separate and different from what OKC will be getting.

Same day is through their Prime Now facilities which are completely separate and different from what OKC will be getting.

As I understand it Prime Now is for household stuff and two hour delivery but there are cities without Prime Now that have some items on same day delivery for 8.99

I worked at UPS as well in the summer of 1985 while going to school. It was a night shift job and while it paid well in comparison to many other jobs, there was a reason for the pay. When I worked there it was a 20 hour a week job. So while the pay per hour rate was good, the amount of hours sucked. In addition in those days it was a closed shop. Full time dues but part time work. Add in the commute from Norman to OKC and the disruption of the natural sleep cycle of humans to sleep at night, it was a job I left within a month. As noted earlier, it took an act of congress to get a bathroom break.
People couldn’t just take breaks at odd times because they were part of a whole system of sorters, belts, loaders and trucks. That was the work and why it paid better. Some couldn’t handle it and some could. In ‘72 when I started they paid about double or more than other part time jobs. I was young, in good shape physically and mentally, and was appreciative of the job. Yes, my 7:30 Logic class was hard to stay awake in, but i couldn’t afford to quit and therefore not pay my way. I was blessed to have a job I could do and make the money I needed. Lots of people will be grateful for these jobs. Not everybody is in the situation to be choosy.

One day delivery for a lot of things is still pretty awesome.

Regarding pay for most of the jobs at this facility. Were getting to the point where robots may actually be cheaper and more efficient for this type of work. You can find videos from China with heavily automated warehouse facilities.
So there is almost so much pay to expect from this type of job.

https://www.bloomberg.com/gadfly/articles/2018-04-19/amazon-is-defined-by-billions-median-salary-is-28-446

I wish Amazon would stop using USPS. I use Amazon several times a month, and just always have issues with the PO. The one that delivers my mail is the Penn 89th one and it's atrocious. I'm up to 6 packages in the past 6 months where they didn't deliver and held it at the PO, for reasons unknown. I've tried calling them but their location phone rings and rings. I've finally got Amazon on my side cause apparently this is a known issue and we have complaints in that have now reached their 3rd level, whatever the heck that means. I've come to the conclusion that what it is is the lady carrier doesn't want to get out of the truck. If she can cram it in my mailbox, she will, but if she has to drop it at the door, she won't. I got her on camera not even attempting, just driving on with tracking that claims couldn't deliver. The one thing I can hope for with the fulfillment is they do tend to do the next day delivery, and Amazon will contract to local delivery services.

I wish Amazon would stop using USPS. I use Amazon several times a month, and just always have issues with the PO. The one that delivers my mail is the Penn 89th one and it's atrocious. I'm up to 6 packages in the past 6 months where they didn't deliver and held it at the PO, for reasons unknown. I've tried calling them but their location phone rings and rings. I've finally got Amazon on my side cause apparently this is a known issue and we have complaints in that have now reached their 3rd level, whatever the heck that means. I've come to the conclusion that what it is is the lady carrier doesn't want to get out of the truck. If she can cram it in my mailbox, she will, but if she has to drop it at the door, she won't. I got her on camera not even attempting, just driving on with tracking that claims couldn't deliver. The one thing I can hope for with the fulfillment is they do tend to do the next day delivery, and Amazon will contract to local delivery services.

huh... i'm pretty sure that i'm served by that same station. my usps amazon packages get delivered ok apart from a couple being slighlty crammed into the mailbox... but for me, it's a pretty regular occurrence to get a whole stack of my neighbors' mail. i've wondered if it was just my carrier but it sounds like the whole station has problems.

I wish Amazon would stop using USPS. I use Amazon several times a month, and just always have issues with the PO. The one that delivers my mail is the Penn 89th one and it's atrocious. I'm up to 6 packages in the past 6 months where they didn't deliver and held it at the PO, for reasons unknown. I've tried calling them but their location phone rings and rings. I've finally got Amazon on my side cause apparently this is a known issue and we have complaints in that have now reached their 3rd level, whatever the heck that means. I've come to the conclusion that what it is is the lady carrier doesn't want to get out of the truck. If she can cram it in my mailbox, she will, but if she has to drop it at the door, she won't. I got her on camera not even attempting, just driving on with tracking that claims couldn't deliver. The one thing I can hope for with the fulfillment is they do tend to do the next day delivery, and Amazon will contract to local delivery services.

They will never do that. USPS is significantly cheaper than Fed EX or UPS. The USPS has to go to every mailbox six days a week and they already have that infrasture built up to do that.

Be thankful. OKC could have got a big ole nothing like many other cities.

You're right, many other cities got that big ole nothing...

Think about all the cities that completed applications for HQ2. Atlanta has offered over $1 billion in incentives (other cities more): http://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-hq2-cities-developers-economic-tax-incentives-2017-10

Oklahoma City didn't make the cut; however not so sure we wanted that facility or to impress upon Amazon to consider OKC for other subsidies. We did get some crumbs (warehouse); our location (I-35/I-40 crossroad) & airport played a major role in that.

50,000 jobs? What else will accompany those jobs to the winner who gets this Albatross around its neck.

Did the application fee justify the Amazon Fulfillment facility which may lead to more to come?

I wish Amazon would stop using USPS. I use Amazon several times a month, and just always have issues with the PO. The one that delivers my mail is the Penn 89th one and it's atrocious. I'm up to 6 packages in the past 6 months where they didn't deliver and held it at the PO, for reasons unknown. I've tried calling them but their location phone rings and rings. I've finally got Amazon on my side cause apparently this is a known issue and we have complaints in that have now reached their 3rd level, whatever the heck that means. I've come to the conclusion that what it is is the lady carrier doesn't want to get out of the truck. If she can cram it in my mailbox, she will, but if she has to drop it at the door, she won't. I got her on camera not even attempting, just driving on with tracking that claims couldn't deliver. The one thing I can hope for with the fulfillment is they do tend to do the next day delivery, and Amazon will contract to local delivery services.

I'm the same area, and yeah they suck. Sometimes my packages get delivered fine, sometimes we get a notice that they are holding it at the post office and can't deliver. There appears to be no rhyme or reason to it.

Didn't realize we have so many NIMBYs on this board.

There used to be a day when OKC was glad to get a major investment in structure and up to 2,000 jobs and would be happy. Apparently, we don't need any of that any more, from what I am reading. Just more bother than it is worth. This would have been like finding out we were to get a Sears store 75 years ago and complaining about traffic, low pay of clerks, etc. I would have thought this was a good announcement.... guess not.

huh... i'm pretty sure that i'm served by that same station. my usps amazon packages get delivered ok apart from a couple being slighlty crammed into the mailbox... but for me, it's a pretty regular occurrence to get a whole stack of my neighbors' mail. i've wondered if it was just my carrier but it sounds like the whole station has problems.

For awhile I thought maybe I got a new carrier. But then I saw her and it's the same lady. I've attempted to talk to her to try and "build" a relationship and she just kind of stares and hasn't said more than a couple words. Seems real put out. I can't tell you how many times she gets off by what seems one mailbox and everyone in the neighborhood gets their neighbors mail.


I'm the same area, and yeah they suck. Sometimes my packages get delivered fine, sometimes we get a notice that they are holding it at the post office and can't deliver. There appears to be no rhyme or reason to it.

Yes, it's very frustrating. I get that this PO seems to service a huge area. I mean I'm on the far west side of the airport basically to Mustang, so it's a major pain to go pick up when they refuse to deliver. I've asked and asked why things don't get delivered and no one seems to know the issue. I mentioned earlier I filed a complaint this time with the PO. I'm supposed to hear back and why this issue keeps happening, and might be worthwhile for you to do the same. I Typically use the Wheatland, Mustang, or Airport PO when I need to because all 3 are closer and much better than the Penn 89th. Their Google profile is just littered with people bashing and complaining with the same issues, so you'd think something could be done.

They will never do that. USPS is significantly cheaper than Fed EX or UPS. The USPS has to go to every mailbox six days a week and they already have that infrasture built up to do that.

Amazon actually just followed up with me and I asked if there was any way that UPS or Fedex could be the sole carriers for my account. I was told that at this time, that was not an option, but they appreciated the feedback and she would notify their shipping manager because they've had other issues with the postal service.

What that sounds like to me is I'm not the only one complaining, and they may make a change, or at least make it an option to change.

As a normal person it's basically impossible for me to contact the post office and talk with anyone that knows a damn thing about what's going on. But when I called Amazon, she said oh I can get them on the phone, and 3 way called them and got someone who somewhat knew what was going on, and finally got the PO to redeliver my package. Which tells me they pay them to coordinate and have dedicated people in at least some capacity. So if the PO is continuing to screw a simple leave it on the doorstep delivery, I'd bet they will re-evaluate at some point. My guess is eventually they start delivering their own packages.

When you say you filed a complaint with the PO. do you mean the post office itself? Because odds are that won't help...I've had issues in the past and when I bring them to the attention of the local post office, they really don't seem to care. I get the same blank I must be speaking Martian look.

That ended the day I had the tracking info on a package and was home the day it was to be delivered. It was not. Then about half an hour or so later I get the notification that it had. So I called the post office and was told oh well, that happens, he'll probably deliver it tomorrow. I explained no, it already shows delivered, it's not coming tomorrow. They repeated that sometimes this happens, and it'll probably get delivered tomorrow. No, sorry, there's no way to contact them in the field and ask what's going on.

When I reported it to the USPS, however, the story was much different. They opened a mail theft investigation, contacted the local PO (which suddenly decided they can, after all, contact the carrier in the field after all (cell phones having been invented in the last hour or so, apparently)), who contacted the carrier and told him you better find where you delivered this package or we're assuming you delivered it to yourself. Not long after, he showed up with the package and the story that he had accidentally left it a street or two over.

Yeah, whatever, I got the package (that time) but have been on the watch since, and all I can say is based on the daily email with the scan of (some, not all) of the mail to be delivered that day, I'm having a distressing amount of mail going missing. Sometimes it is delivered a day (or two or three) later, sometimes it just simply disappears. I have no way of knowing if it went to someone next door or a street over and they just threw it away (illegal but how the heck you gonna catch them?) or if it's sitting in a big pile of other undelivered mail in a field somewhere.

TL;DR: Calling the post office that dropped the ball is probably not going to get much.

That will probably only happen through drones, and Amazon is getting very close to making that happen.

Ironically, that would likely be an issue with this location being so close to the airport.

That’s not true at all, regarding the drones.

In San Antonio, Amazon offers both Same-Day and One-Day delivery. With a Prime membership, both are free if your order is at least 35 dollars. No drones involved.

Amazon also offers two hour delivery here through their Prime Now service. Though that service has less selection.

When you say you filed a complaint with the PO. do you mean the post office itself? Because odds are that won't help...I've had issues in the past and when I bring them to the attention of the local post office, they really don't seem to care. I get the same blank I must be speaking Martian look.

That ended the day I had the tracking info on a package and was home the day it was to be delivered. It was not. Then about half an hour or so later I get the notification that it had. So I called the post office and was told oh well, that happens, he'll probably deliver it tomorrow. I explained no, it already shows delivered, it's not coming tomorrow. They repeated that sometimes this happens, and it'll probably get delivered tomorrow. No, sorry, there's no way to contact them in the field and ask what's going on.

When I reported it to the USPS, however, the story was much different. They opened a mail theft investigation, contacted the local PO (which suddenly decided they can, after all, contact the carrier in the field after all (cell phones having been invented in the last hour or so, apparently)), who contacted the carrier and told him you better find where you delivered this package or we're assuming you delivered it to yourself. Not long after, he showed up with the package and the story that he had accidentally left it a street or two over.

Yeah, whatever, I got the package (that time) but have been on the watch since, and all I can say is based on the daily email with the scan of (some, not all) of the mail to be delivered that day, I'm having a distressing amount of mail going missing. Sometimes it is delivered a day (or two or three) later, sometimes it just simply disappears. I have no way of knowing if it went to someone next door or a street over and they just threw it away (illegal but how the heck you gonna catch them?) or if it's sitting in a big pile of other undelivered mail in a field somewhere.

TL;DR: Calling the post office that dropped the ball is probably not going to get much.

I actually have a complaint with Amazon and with the post office but the complaint was filed with whoever is above the local post offices. I’m doubtful it will amount to much but earlier I did get an email with a confirmation they received my complaint. Time will tell if anything improves.

When you say you filed a complaint with the PO. do you mean the post office itself? Because odds are that won't help...I've had issues in the past and when I bring them to the attention of the local post office, they really don't seem to care. I get the same blank I must be speaking Martian look.

That ended the day I had the tracking info on a package and was home the day it was to be delivered. It was not. Then about half an hour or so later I get the notification that it had. So I called the post office and was told oh well, that happens, he'll probably deliver it tomorrow. I explained no, it already shows delivered, it's not coming tomorrow. They repeated that sometimes this happens, and it'll probably get delivered tomorrow. No, sorry, there's no way to contact them in the field and ask what's going on.

When I reported it to the USPS, however, the story was much different. They opened a mail theft investigation, contacted the local PO (which suddenly decided they can, after all, contact the carrier in the field after all (cell phones having been invented in the last hour or so, apparently)), who contacted the carrier and told him you better find where you delivered this package or we're assuming you delivered it to yourself. Not long after, he showed up with the package and the story that he had accidentally left it a street or two over.

Yeah, whatever, I got the package (that time) but have been on the watch since, and all I can say is based on the daily email with the scan of (some, not all) of the mail to be delivered that day, I'm having a distressing amount of mail going missing. Sometimes it is delivered a day (or two or three) later, sometimes it just simply disappears. I have no way of knowing if it went to someone next door or a street over and they just threw it away (illegal but how the heck you gonna catch them?) or if it's sitting in a big pile of other undelivered mail in a field somewhere.

TL;DR: Calling the post office that dropped the ball is probably not going to get much.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg2HfrIYnwg

I have thought more about this and it really makes no sense to put it on this end of the development. I counted approximately 60 plus truck loading bays in the sketch of the proposed building. The intersection of I44 and SW 74th has very little traffic other than the community college. There is one apartment complex there. This intersection can handle the influx of trucks and traffic that is coming with this project. The intersection at SW 89th I44 is used more but still nothing like 104th and 119th, (104th is the first street you can travel west past the airport.)

Also, both 74th and 89th onramps have plenty of road between Portland and the ramps to handle the traffic waiting whereas 104th ramp is less than a football field space from Portland which is going to cause major back ups. Not a traffic engineer here but this seems pretty basic