Every coin has two sides. While yes, the point is indeed to have product in several locations to avoid having to fly it to the destination or near it, the warehouse isn't filled by magical elves while the cobbler sleeps.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Amazon_locations#Fulfillment_and_warehousi ng

"Fulfillment centers are located in the following cities, often named after an International Air Transport Association airport code."

This ain't Amazon's first rodeo.

The airport code has really nothing to do with the airport itself. It’s just a origin and destination slic/code. Fulfillment centers are stocked via ground trailers from other distribution centers.

Apparently Jeff is raising the price of a Prime Membership from $99 to $119 per year. I could see more than a few folks cancelling at this point, especially if they are going to build a distribution center in almost everyone’s backyard.

I honestly wish I still had Prime so I could cancel again. I canceled due to some really bad service from "the most customer-centric company", and other than one order, really haven't noticed. I've ordered from Jet a couple times, still ordered from Amazon and other than that one order (technically it was two, just one was placed a couple days after the other, so they decided to merge them...which meant shipping the first order late). I'm not sure how well this will fly, but it'll sure shut up the "Amazon is a monopoly" people.

Not difficult to get a student membership - just need a student email address. We've had one for years. It's being bumped to $59/yr.

If it was just 'shipping' then I could see canceling due to the price increase, but Prime offers more than that and I think it's still a good value.

We use the music and video streaming benefits almost daily.

Not difficult to get a student membership - just need a student email address. We've had one for years. It's being bumped to $59/yr.

If it was just 'shipping' then I could see canceling due to the price increase, but Prime offers more than that and I think it's still a good value.

We use the music and video streaming benefits almost daily.

Yes same here. Watch lots of stuff on Prime. But also order lots of stuff on Amazon. I don't know if I will cancel or not yet but since we have to pay taxes on orders now it's not as good of a deal as it was when I orig. signed on. It seems to me like they are making plenty of profits so I may just cancel since I can get along without it. Thinking about it for a while.

The airport has very little to do with the location. The whole point of facilities like this is to avoid airfare.

What is your position at Amazon? You have the insider information about their current and future plans. You will be of great value in this thread.

Well that leaves location I-35/I-40 crossroads; significance to the proximity to the huge Dallas Market Center.

^^^^ Laramie, I’ve wondered when OKC will get a world market center like the one in dallas or Las Vegas.

http://newsok.com/okc-officials-to-consider-incentives-for-amazon-fulfillment-center/article/5594332

If you do the math, you see there are 53 'quality jobs' at approximately $60K per year.

The remainder of the 1,750 mentioned in Jim Couch's memo to the trust would average just over $25K per year, or $12.10 an hour based on 2,080 annual work hours.


I doubt these quality job incentives are the only ones that have been negotiated by the City and State for Amazon.

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Here is the meat of that memo from Couch to the Economic Development Trust:


Joint Resolution between The City of Oklahoma City and the Oklahoma City Economic Development Trust approving the allocation of General Obligation Limited Tax Bond proceeds and/or investment proceeds in an amount of $1,700,000 to provide job creation incentives for a job creation Economic Development Agreement with Amazon.com Services, Inc. in consideration for Amazon.com selecting Oklahoma City as the location for its new Fulfillment Center in Oklahoma City and for Amazon.com's commitment to create approximately fifty-three (53) new quality jobs over the next 5 years and authorizing and directing the General Manager and/or designee to negotiate an Economic Development Agreement with Amazon.com, for subsequent Trust and City Council consideration and approval, project to be located at 9201 S. Portland Avenue.
(GOLT)

Location
9201 S. Portland Avenue

Background
Amazon.com Services, Inc. ("Amazon") plans to add approximately 1,750 full-time jobs to the local workforce and to make approximately $153,000,000 in capital investment in a facility and site development in the next five years. As part of this project, the Oklahoma City Economic Development Trust will be incentivizing the creation of approximately fifty-three (53) new-to-market quality jobs eligible for incentives under the Strategic Investment Program and Amazon's capital investment of approximately $140,000,000 in building, infrastructure and equipment.

These jobs would be part of Amazon’s management team serving the company’s operations facility in Oklahoma City, which would serve customers throughout their fulfillment network. The average first year wage for the new jobs receiving incentives is estimated to be $60,000. After evaluating options for the location of this facility in other Southern and Midwestern states, Amazon has chosen to locate this facility in Oklahoma City. The availability of appropriate and affordable real estate, the ability to access regional transportation infrastructure and the ability to deliver the project to the market quickly, along with Oklahoma City’s receptiveness to the project, all contributed to Amazon's selection of Oklahoma City as the site for Amazon’s newest fulfillment center facility

Company Background
Amazon serves consumers through its retail websites and physical stores, and has a brand focus on selection, price, and convenience. Amazon has designed its websites to enable hundreds of millions of unique products to be sold both internally and by third parties across dozens of product categories. Customers access its offerings through websites, mobile apps, Alexa, and physically visiting Amazon stores. Amazon also manufactures and sells electronic devices, including Kindle e-readers, Fire tablets, Fire TVs, and Echo devices, and develops and produces media content. Amazon strives to offer customers the lowest prices possible through low everyday product pricing and shipping offers, and to improve operating efficiencies to continue to lower prices for our customers. Amazon also
provides easy-to-use functionality, fast and reliable fulfillment, and timely customer service.

Amazon fulfills customer orders in a number of ways, including through: North America and International fulfillment and delivery networks that it operates; co-sourced and outsourced arrangements in certain countries; digital delivery; and through its physical stores. Amazon operates customer service centers globally, which are supplemented by co-sourced arrangements.

Project Background
The Greater Oklahoma City Chamber and the City have worked with the Company since November of 2017. In evaluating its location for a fulfillment center, company management met with Chamber and State economic development officials to discuss the needs of their planned operation. Based in part upon local incentives, the company has decided to focus their growth in Oklahoma City.

Economic Impact
The total estimated economic impact of the incentivized portion of the project is $9.5 million over the first 2 years of operation (based on total project impact, including capital investment, wages, state and local taxes). The estimated local sales tax and property tax revenue is expected to be $2,611,402 over the first 2 years of operation and more than $178,769 annually from the 3rd year forward. The estimated economic impact of the entire Amazon project is $129,223,912 over the first two years of operation. The estimated local sales and property tax revenues for the initial five years are $4,815,763.

Recommended SIP offer: $1,700,000
The Greater Oklahoma City Chamber Economic Development Division recommends a local incentive package of $1,700,000 based on the following information provided by the Company:
• Investment of $140,000,000 in building, infrastructure at and around the Oklahoma City facility
• Incentive based on the creation of approximately 53 new jobs over 5 years.
• Estimated average annual wage of $60,000 (first year wage).
• Estimated incentized first year payroll of $1,080,000 which they plan to grow to $3,180,000 by the 2nd year of operation. For the entire 1,750 new jobs, the estimated first year payroll is $11,461,636, which they plan to grow to $45,899,000 by the second year of operation.
• The Oklahoma City operation will serve customers throughout the company’s fulfillment center service territory.
• This is the latest expansion in an established pattern or continual growth for the company.
• There is the potential for additional future growth at this facility.
• The Company considered a number of alternative locations for these jobs. The state and local incentives were important in positioning Oklahoma City as a competitive location for this operation.

Adoption of the attached resolution authorizes the OCEDT General Manager or his designee to begin negotiations with Amazon.com Services, Inc. for the development of an Economic Development Agreement and approves the allocation of $1,700,000 in General Obligation Limited Tax Bond proceeds and/or investment proceeds for the Economic Development Agreement with Amazon.com Services, Inc.

Estimated Cost Not to exceed $1,700,000

BTW, in just the last month the Oklahoman has included this line in each of 4 or 5 stories about Amazon:


Amazon already has a $3 million, 300,000-square-foot “Sortation Center” under construction at SW 15 and Council Road.

That facility opened in October of 2017; it's been almost 8 months.

They held big job fairs in the summer to get staffed up, opened in October and we posted photos of Gov. Fallin cutting the ribbon on October 24th, 2017.

Here is a recent photo I took:

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/amazon042618.jpg

I'm more excited about Amazon because of the ripple effect that facility could have for the area. It'll hopefully help ignite a wave of development around the airport and in Larriat Landing.

BTW, in just the last month the Oklahoman has included this line in each of 4 or 5 stories about Amazon:



That facility opened in October of 2017; it's been almost 8 months.

They held big job fairs in the summer to get staffed up, opened in October and we posted photos of Gov. Fallin cutting the ribbon on October 24th, 2017.

Here is a recent photo I took:

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/amazon042618.jpg

I actually started criticizing this on Twitter. Crazy to me that they don’t even know it’s been open for awhile now.

The Oklahoman finally changed their embarrassing repeated mistake by editing their last article:


Amazon has a $3 million, 300,000-square-foot “Sortation Center” at SW 15 and Council Road. Sorting centers are used to organize packaged items before final delivery to customers.

It goes to show how closely their reporters monitor this site, even though this description of a sortation center is misleading and in many ways incorrect.

In my reporting I've described in depth how these facilities work, mainly taking packages and grouping them by zip code before delivering to the corresponding post office before the USPS makes final delivery.

I feel neutral about giving amazon incentives.

With all due love and respect, can we have a separate thread to cuss and discuss incentives, and restrict/move such posts there? I ask because I went back to look for some info on CACI, and the CACI thread is filled with back and forth over incentives. Actual CACI information is hard to find, even in the thread one would think to look for it. This discussion also infests the convention center thread, the convention hotel thread, this thread, the Costco thread. I mean, it's a good discussion to have, but I don't think it needs to be had in every thread, to the point where trying to find information on the actual thread topic becomes all but impossible.

I'm more excited about Amazon because of the ripple effect that facility could have for the area. It'll hopefully help ignite a wave of development around the airport and in Larriat Landing.

I already felt a ripple. They sent me an email letting me know that my Prime membership went from $99.00 to $119.00. So I am thinking that us Prime members are paying for construction of their new facility. $20.00 a pop seems like a pretty significant increase all at once. Much more than the normal 5-10%. I am thinking about cancelling just because they just pretty much did this without asking me. A 5-10% increase could be seen as business as usual but 20%? But when I signed up a few years ago it was $79.00 so I can see how that guy JB is one of the richest SOBs in the world.

I already felt a ripple. They sent me an email letting me know that my Prime membership went from $99.00 to $119.00. So I am thinking that us Prime members are paying for construction of their new facility. $20.00 a pop seems like a pretty significant increase all at once. Much more than the normal 5-10%. I am thinking about cancelling just because they just pretty much did this without asking me. A 5-10% increase could be seen as business as usual but 20%? But when I signed up a few years ago it was $79.00 so I can see how that guy JB is one of the richest SOBs in the world.


So, not disagreeing with you about disliking the price hike, but that certainly was almost certainly not directly influenced at all by this facility.

I already felt a ripple. They sent me an email letting me know that my Prime membership went from $99.00 to $119.00. So I am thinking that us Prime members are paying for construction of their new facility. $20.00 a pop seems like a pretty significant increase all at once. Much more than the normal 5-10%. I am thinking about cancelling just because they just pretty much did this without asking me. A 5-10% increase could be seen as business as usual but 20%? But when I signed up a few years ago it was $79.00 so I can see how that guy JB is one of the richest SOBs in the world.

Not sure if serious. But you're right, that increase is only for OKC members... /s

Amazon is increasing the price for Amazon Prime nationwide. Everyone is going to pay more per month/year.

BTW, in just the last month the Oklahoman has included this line in each of 4 or 5 stories about Amazon:



That facility opened in October of 2017; it's been almost 8 months.

They held big job fairs in the summer to get staffed up, opened in October and we posted photos of Gov. Fallin cutting the ribbon on October 24th, 2017.

Here is a recent photo I took:

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/amazon042618.jpg

Lulz

Will the incentives ever end? Something is very wrong when a company like Amazon can qualify for incentives. The founder/CEO, Jeff Bezos, is worth 134.5 billion dollars. I mean, really. Financial giveaways from local taxpayers to a company like Amazon is laugh out loud crazy. It does show just how out of control these handouts are.

These centers cost 200 Million to build. Bezos could build five of these things by himself and still be worth 133.5 billion dollars. The math is crazy that allows a CEO to have that much wealth while asking for giveaways. It has to stop somewhere, somehow.

Will the incentives ever end? Something is very wrong when a company like Amazon can qualify for incentives. The founder/CEO, Jeff Bezos, is worth 134.5 billion dollars. I mean, really. Financial giveaways from local taxpayers to a company like Amazon is laugh out loud crazy. It does show just how out of control these handouts are.

These centers cost 200 Million to build. Bezos could build five of these things by himself and still be worth 133.5 billion dollars. The math is crazy that allows a CEO to have that much wealth while asking for giveaways. It has to stop somewhere, somehow.

He could build five with his own money and still be worth 134.5 billion. He would have to give them away to lose a billion.

Not sure if serious. But you're right, that increase is only for OKC members... /s

Pretty sure the -price hike was just for OKCTalk members;)

But the fact remains that the guy is so rich and doing so well and he's hiking prices along with milking the public just because he can. Nice guy

This guy has so much money his great grandchildrens great grand children will want for nothing. He could make every man woman and child in OK an instant millionaire and still have more money than he could ever spend. But yet he needs more.

He could build five with his own money and still be worth 134.5 billion. He would have to give them away to lose a billion.
It's not a matter of how huge the amount of worth Bezos has. Instead, it's a matter of how many millions or billions Amazon can spend on itself. How much is that?

We dont get free shipping and cheaper prices on amazon because he builds things on his own dime, or because he pays his employees well. There's a trade-off here. So as long as you're ok with buying on Amazon, then you're ok with them offering crappy pay part-timer non-benefit jobs. As long as you continue to buy on Amazon, then you're ok with tax incentives, and really anything else they do. I'm not really sure why it's a surprise here to so many people. Did you think he was making millions by giving things away?

For the record, yup, i still buy on Amazon and im still a Prime member.

Amazon actually pays full benefits on almost all their jobs, including these at fulfillment centers.

Don't know if this was posted previously, but I found it to be an interesting read....

What Amazon Does to Wages - Economist.com 1/20/2018 (https://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21735020-worlds-largest-online-retailer-underpaying-its-employees-what-amazon-does-wages)

Again, maybe it's been discussed already (I haven't read all of this thread) - what percentage of warehouse workers are part-time vs. full time?

I feel neutral about giving amazon incentives.

Same here. I dont like that most of the jobs are low wage too. But look at the overall investment for construction of one of the biggest buildings in the metro, along with the large amounts of ad valorem dollars that will come in annually, $1.7M is not very much compared to what we will get. Certainly a better deal than other past incentives or TIFs, such as Wheeler.

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I'm not sure the $1.7 million is all they will be getting from the city and state.

Also, this money will be borrowed by the city and paid upfront, so the actual cost is close to double that.

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I'm not sure the $1.7 million is all they will be getting from the city and state.

Also, this money will be borrowed by the city and paid upfront, so the actual cost is close to double that.


The money is being borrow for economic development (which was voted and passed by the public). No matter if it goes to this project or not This type of deal is why we have that money

The money is being borrow for economic development (which was voted and passed by the public). No matter if it goes to this project or not This type of deal is why we have that money

I was told the City has to go out and borrow this money, which adds expense to the taxpayer.

I was told the City has to go out and borrow this money, which adds expense to the taxpayer.

From the last 2 lines of your post #129

This is from. GOLT proceeds and/or investment proceeds.


The GO bonds are being sold because we(OKC) voted for them. That money will be borrowed either way

From the last 2 lines of your post #129

This is from. GOLT proceeds and/or investment proceeds.


The GO bonds are being sold because we(OKC) voted for them. That money will be borrowed either way

I will get more info on this and post it later.

OKC trust approves incentives for Amazon center

By: Brian Brus The Journal Record May 15, 2018

OKLAHOMA CITY – The Oklahoma City Economic Development Trust on Tuesday approved incentives totaling $1.7 million for Amazon.com in exchange for the creation of jobs and capital investment in an order-fulfillment center near Will Rogers World Airport.

If approved by the City Council, the money will come from general obligation limited tax bond debt OK’d by city residents years ago. Unless the retailer creates at least 53 new jobs over five years, the city will not release the incentive. The estimated average annual wage for the new jobs is $60,000 in the first year.

Those 53 jobs are considered new-to-market, but the company has promised to hire a total of 1,750 people overall, with a total payroll of $11.5 million in the first year, growing to $45.9 million by the second year. In return, the company is projected to create sales tax and property tax revenue for city operations worth $2.6 million for the first two years and a total economic impact of $9.5 million for the same period.

The fulfillment center will be part of Amazon.com’s nationwide production distribution network with the goal of same-day service across as much of the country as possible.

Morgan Harris, owner-operator of the Green Bambino baby-goods retail store at 5120 N. Shartel Ave., asked the trust to reconsider paying an industry giant that competes directly with Oklahoma City operations such as hers.

“Does Oklahoma City really need to give millions of dollars to a company that’s coming here anyway?” Harris asked. “Is there a way the trust could consider using this $1.7 million to help economically develop small businesses, provide training for small businesses, to make sure they have the customer service know-how, that they have all the technology they can have?”

Responding to public complaints of non-transparency in municipal deal-making, Chairman Larry McAtee said the trust had to keep negotiations quiet – under the code name “Project Star” in public records – because Amazon.com required it. Neither he nor company representative Tom Florino elaborated on why a non-disclosure agreement was necessary.

Amazon.com contacted the Greater Oklahoma City Chamber just six months ago with interest in building a center in the area, said chamber spokesman Richard Clements.

Florino said there are not many states left where Amazon.com hasn’t already developed its infrastructure, and each city has its own unique advantage, so the company was highly interested in Oklahoma City.

“This is the latest expansion in an established pattern or continual growth for the company,” City Manager Jim Couch said in a memo to the trust.

I've said this before but it bears repeating: Once the Alliance submits these incentive packages to receive "approval for negotiation" they are a completely done deal, and the Economic Development Trust and City Council have provided approval 100% of the time and the deal ends up being exactly as submitted.

So, the real news is when the deal is first submitted to the EDT and the rest is just formality. It's really that simple.

Here is the first look at the site plan; building permit application has already been filed:

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/amazon052218a.jpg


http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/amazon052218c.jpg

If this is anything like the sortation project I bet it goes real fast. I'll give them that at least they get it done and over with instead of dragging out construction and dealing with all those horrors.

In their presentation to the OKC Economic Development Trust their rep said they hope to break ground in June and be operating by June 2019.

Just not a fan of that particular location considering what Lariat Landing was initially being visualized as. I wonder if they've spoken with the Airports trust about expanding taxiway over to the new facility for Prime Air?

been discussed upthread (short answer "no")

Folks, Prime Air's main (and only) hub is at the Cincinnati Northern Kentucky International Airport. Prime Air (now known as "Amazon Air") has no plans to establish hubs/bases other airports, let alone OKC. This is not a facility that will require Prime Air operations anyway, this is going to be a land-based ops only facility (shipping will be done by trucks). Thus, there is no need for airside connections.

If at some point Amazon Air does start flying to/from OKC, OKC will likely be a spoke in its network. My guess is it will use the air cargo facility (the new one) that will be built after it gets relocated when the new east terminal expansion gets built. I'm sure catch will have more insight into this.

Just drove by and they've already begun scraping ground and staging construction equipment

Folks, Prime Air's main (and only) hub is at the Cincinnati Northern Kentucky International Airport. Prime Air (now known as "Amazon Air") has no plans to establish hubs/bases other airports, let alone OKC. This is not a facility that will require Prime Air operations anyway, this is going to be a land-based ops only facility (shipping will be done by trucks). Thus, there is no need for airside connections.

If at some point Amazon Air does start flying to/from OKC, OKC will likely be a spoke in its network. My guess is it will use the air cargo facility (the new one) that will be built after it gets relocated when the new east terminal expansion gets built. I'm sure catch will have more insight into this.

No you’re pretty much on the money. I think they purposely built this next to the airport just because they aren’t sure what their air network will look like in 5-10 years. Right now, I’d say there’s zero percent chance OKC will see Prime Air. But if they develop their network to include smaller cities or milk runs (CVG-MCI-OKC etc.), it’s possible. I think I’m that scenario they’d build their own apron next to this facility. But I don’t think we’ll see Amazon Air here anytime soon, if ever under the current strategy.

They are well underway on this project. Huge area has already been cleared.

SW 89th is the street just to the north of the trailers.

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/amazon062218.jpg


http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/amazon062218b.jpg

They are already moving fast.

SW 89th is at the right.

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/amazon063018a.jpg

You don't get how big an area is until viewed from the air. I wonder how much of that area surrounding Amazon could be used for future development? Amazon, could in theory could eventually be the anchor for a huge commercial and industrial development. I just don't know how that could play out with the airport right there

Everything shaded here is slated for development. The arrow indicates the Amazon location.

The area is more than 3 miles north to south.

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/amazonfull6.jpg

Oh, I know all about that area. I was referring to that vast area behind Amazon to the south of the runways. Though, part of me would like to see that saved for future runway expansion.

Oh, I know all about that area. I was referring to that vast area behind Amazon to the south of the runways. Though, part of me would like to see that saved for future runway expansion.

I believe the master plan protects that area for runway protection zone. The master plan also calls for both N/S runways to be extended to the south to a total length of 12,000ft. Current lengths are 9,800 ft. The crosswind runway will also be lengthened to the northwest also by 2,200 ft to bring it’s length to 10,000.

I believe the master plan protects that area for runway protection zone. The master plan also calls for both N/S runways to be extended to the south to a total length of 12,000ft. Current lengths are 9,800 ft. The crosswind runway will also be lengthened to the northwest also by 2,200 ft to bring it’s length to 10,000.

Would that be long enough for bigger aircraft so we can accomodate more international aircraft?

Found this list of runway requirements:

Aircraft / Runway Length Requirement / Suggested Airport Class

Airbus:
A318 / 3,400ft - 4,300ft (MLW) / B, C, D
A319 / 3,000ft - 5,000ft (MLW) / B, C, D
A320 / 3,500ft - 6,500ft (MLW) / B, some C
A321 / 3,600ft - 6,300ft (MLW) / B, some C
A330-200F / 3,000ft - 7,000ft (MLW) / B, some C
A330-300 / 3,000ft - 7,000ft (MLW) / B, some C
A340-600 / 5,800ft - 8,700ft (MLW) / B
A380-800 / 5,300ft - 7,000ft (MLW) / B

Boeing:
BC-17 Globemaster III / 3,500ft (1,064m) / B, C, D (non-verified)
B717-200 / 3,600ft - 5,000ft (MLW) / B, some C
B737-700 / 3,500ft - 5,000ft (MLW) / B, C
B737-800 / 3,800ft - 5,800ft (MLW) / B, some C
B737-900 / 4,100ft - 5,900ft (MLW) / B, some C
B757-200 / 3,900ft - 5,100ft (MLW) / B, C
B767-300 / 3,700ft - 5,300ft (MLW) / B
B777-200 / 3,700ft - 5,300ft (MLW) / B
B777-200LR / 5,300ft - 5,300ft (MLW) / B
B777-300ER / 4,700ft - 6,200ft (MLW) / B
B787-8 / 4,400ft - 5,000ft (MLW) / B
B787-9 / 4,400ft - 6,200ft (MLW) / B
B787-10 / 5,500ft - 7,000ft (MLW) / B (non-verified)
B747-SOFIA / 3,500ft - 5,400ft (MLW) / B
B747-VC-25 / 4,300ft - 7,300ft (MLW) / B
B747-200 / 4,500ft - 7,300ft (MLW) / B
B747-400 / 5,500ft - 7,300ft (MLW) / B
B747-800 / 5,000ft - 7,400ft (MLW) / B
B747-SCA / 6,000ft - 8,000ft (MLW) / B

Bombardier:
Dash 8-Q400 / 4,230ft (MLW) / B, C, D
CRJ-200 / 4,850ft (MLW) / B, C, D

Embraer:
ERJ-170 / 3,300ft - 4,300ft (MLW) / B, C, D
ERJ-175 / 3,300ft - 4,300ft (MLW) / B, C, D
ERJ-190 / 3,300ft - 4,300ft (MLW) / B, C, D
ERJ-195 / 3,800ft - 5,000ft (MLW) / B, C, D

My understanding is that this is a very basic list, and that factors such as elevation and temperature will impact the air density and increase the length.

I think for most airplanes our current (main) runways might already be big enough, but I wouldn't be surprised if the length of our crosswind runway would be a concern. Overall I would think that our runways wouldn't be that much of a factor when it comes to keeping bigger planes away. My guess is that the physical layout of the gates are a bigger issue than the runways, which will be addressed with the terminal expansion.

Everything shaded here is slated for development. The arrow indicates the Amazon location.

The area is more than 3 miles north to south.

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/amazonfull6.jpg
Other than the SkyWest maintenance facility, are there more aviation businesses already in the works for this area?

The quality of these jobs was discussed earlier in the thread. Here is another article that makes it sound like it will not be a great place to work: https://www.seattletimes.com/business/amazon/under-pressure-afraid-to-take-bathroom-breaks-inside-amazons-fast-paced-warehouse-world/

The quality of these jobs was discussed earlier in the thread. Here is another article that makes it sound like it will not be a great place to work: https://www.seattletimes.com/business/amazon/under-pressure-afraid-to-take-bathroom-breaks-inside-amazons-fast-paced-warehouse-world/

by one persons account who was a temp employee who couldn't even remember how many days he actually worked (at first he said 15, now he is saying 12 and a half, amazon says he only worked 10), who was working for amazon in a different country, with different labor laws... Oh and Amazon has said that close to 90% of the statements are not true... and that if he didn't ask where a bathroom was, that is his fault, not the companies..

These type of articles always get way too much press. because if these were the true conditions, there would be many many many more reports.

The quality of these jobs was discussed earlier in the thread. Here is another article that makes it sound like it will not be a great place to work: https://www.seattletimes.com/business/amazon/under-pressure-afraid-to-take-bathroom-breaks-inside-amazons-fast-paced-warehouse-world/
There will be no shortage of people wanting these jobs.

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Yes and reminder that when Amazon held a job fair last summer for it's sortation center on Council and SW 15th, they had a huge turnout and I believe all those jobs were quickly filled.

These type of articles always get way too much press. because if these were the true conditions, there would be many many many more reports.

There have been TONS of reports of worker mistreatment like this over at least a decade, if not longer. These reports come from both company-owned and third-party logistics (3PL) warehouses, both inside and outside of this country. They don't even take very good care of their office workers either.

Here's a brief list of reporting on this topic gleaned from a very quick Google search:


Mother Jones, April 2012: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/02/mac-mcclelland-free-online-shipping-warehouses-labor/
Gawker, May 2014: http://gawker.com/i-do-not-know-one-person-who-is-happy-at-amazon-1572478351
New York Times, August 2015: https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/16/technology/inside-amazon-wrestling-big-ideas-in-a-bruising-workplace.html?_r=0
Huffington Post, October 2015: https://highline.huffingtonpost.com/articles/en/life-and-death-amazon-temp/
Paste Magazine, December 2017: https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2017/12/7-examples-how-amazon-treats-their-90000-warehouse.html


This is only a fraction of the articles out there. To be frank, if you haven't heard about this, you haven't been listening. This conversation has been going on for years now.

I expect, however, that the experience Pete shared - that existing Amazon jobs here have filled up very quickly - will repeat itself when this Amazon warehouse opens. It will be good for the local economy, especially in tax revenues. They just won't be very good jobs.

There have been TONS of reports of worker mistreatment like this over at least a decade, if not longer. These reports come from both company-owned and third-party logistics (3PL) warehouses, both inside and outside of this country. They don't even take very good care of their office workers either.

Here's a brief list of reporting on this topic gleaned from a very quick Google search:


Mother Jones, April 2012: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/02/mac-mcclelland-free-online-shipping-warehouses-labor/
Gawker, May 2014: http://gawker.com/i-do-not-know-one-person-who-is-happy-at-amazon-1572478351
New York Times, August 2015: https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/16/technology/inside-amazon-wrestling-big-ideas-in-a-bruising-workplace.html?_r=0
Huffington Post, October 2015: https://highline.huffingtonpost.com/articles/en/life-and-death-amazon-temp/
Paste Magazine, December 2017: https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2017/12/7-examples-how-amazon-treats-their-90000-warehouse.html


This is only a fraction of the articles out there. To be frank, if you haven't heard about this, you haven't been listening. This conversation has been going on for years now.

I expect, however, that the experience Pete shared - that existing Amazon jobs here have filled up very quickly - will repeat itself when this Amazon warehouse opens. It will be good for the local economy, especially in tax revenues. They just won't be very good jobs.

and there are just as many about Walmart, target, and many many other companies.

first, doesn't usually discourage people from working there
second, most usually find issues that go against company policies to start with
third, amazon is the big boy now, so they just get the most attention.
fourth, compared to the number of people who work at these type of facilities, we are still talking about well less than 1% of workers claiming there are issues

It will be good for the local economy, especially in tax revenues. They just won't be very good jobs.

As long as they do not follow the WALMART model of having the tax base finance their employee benefits. By this I mean an increase in SNAP eligibility, subsidized housing and other areas of the social safety net.

and there are just as many about Walmart, target, and many many other companies.

first, doesn't usually discourage people from working there
second, most usually find issues that go against company policies to start with
third, amazon is the big boy now, so they just get the most attention.
fourth, compared to the number of people who work at these type of facilities, we are still talking about well less than 1% of workers claiming there are issues

1. If you need a job ASAP and they'll hire you quickly, that attracts people. For a lot of people, they don't have the luxury of finding a job that will treat them better - they just need a job now. This is extremely common in the companies you mention as well. Again, doesn't make them good jobs.
2. In my experience with low-level, "unskilled" jobs like this, sure, local management might be going against company policy. The reality is, though, if they're getting pressured to meet some predefined goal, often company policy gets thrown right out the window. This doesn't always happen in all companies, but I've seen it happen multiple times where I've worked.
3. Sure. Bigger company invites more scrutiny, I don't disagree. We've seen similar with Wal-mart and other companies. But this should be more concerning. If a company knows there could be an issue under scrutiny that could give them bad PR, wouldn't they try hard to make sure that issue doesn't happen?
4. Most people working in these conditions don't end up reporting issues to the relevant authorities because they still need the job and/or don't want to rock the boat. There's often a very real threat of losing your job if you're a whistleblower.