I know it takes a few days to get used to the time change, but if you like daylight savings time and live in Oklahoma, call your legislators and tell them we don't want to change back in the fall. I like it being light longer in the day. I hope we don't ever have to change back

At first thought I was for this but I am actually not because it would greatly mess up my work schedule. Even if Oklahoma didn't do the time change, any business that does business in other states would be affected and it would be a confusing mess. I would be for DST all year but only if the entire country (or most of it) decided to do it.

For the reasons bchris noted, I always thought Texas would be the one to get the rest of the Central Time Zone states to follow. "We're big, and if you don't like it we don't care", and all that.

That said, we are so far into the digital age that I just don't accept business with other states as a reason to keep subjecting ourselves to this nonsense. If you currently do business with states in other time zones, that argument falls flat immediately, you already have to adapt. We're a global economy now, where not only do we have to be concerned with the time in neighboring states but other countries and other continents as well. Business is conducted without a second, or even first thought to this, it's just simply done.

As for being light longer in the day, an old Native American proverb: Only the White Man can cut a foot off the top of the blanket and sew it to the bottom thinking he's getting a longer blanket.

This horse**** is unnatural and needs to be done away with. It should just be the normal time the entire year. As stile said, just adapt.

I imagine if we did change we'd probably just start referring to it as Oklahoma Time until everyone else in this country got on board. It would be confusing at first but eventually people would figure it out just like they do for Arizona.

At first thought I was for this but I am actually not because it would greatly mess up my work schedule. Even if Oklahoma didn't do the time change, any business that does business in other states would be affected and it would be a confusing mess. I would be for DST all year but only if the entire country (or most of it) decided to do it.

It's no more inconvenient than the fact we have different time zones already. Additionally, there are already states (and territories) that don't pointlessly move their clocks back and forth and it hasn't been a big deal.

I'm all for getting rid of it. Keep the sun up a bit longer year round.

FYI it's SB 1309 for those that want to write their senator.

It's no more inconvenient than the fact we have different time zones already. Additionally, there are already states (and territories) that don't pointlessly move their clocks back and forth and it hasn't been a big deal.

I'm all for getting rid of it. Keep the sun up a bit longer year round.

That would be a permanent daylight savings time and just not falling back every fall. I think we would be better off in sacrificing the 1 hr in the summer. As opposed to going to work and school in the complete dark all during the winter and outdoor construction not starting till 8:30 or 9 in January. Northern states would definitely not want to do this. Russia tried this for a few years and abandoned it.

Edit: I just realized you were talking about getting rid of fall back and not DST.

FYI it's SB 1309 for those that want to write their senator.

And just to be clear, that bill calls for adopting DST permanently, not for standard time to be the standard time.

And just to be clear, that bill calls for adopting DST permanently, not for standard time to be the standard time.

https://www.npr.org/2018/03/11/592700184/florida-considers-permanent-daylight-saving-time

Looks like Florida just passed it.

Interesting bit in the article:

"That's because federal law allows states to opt out of daylight saving time, as in Hawaii and most of Arizona, but not out of standard time."

So once again, OK wants to do something that isn't really legal...

This horse**** is unnatural and needs to be done away with. It should just be the normal time the entire year. As stile said, just adapt.

I agree,just leave it alone! Stop going forwards and backwards is pretty darn stupid if you think about it.

So Florida's law doesn't really have chance to actually be enacted unless congress changes their time zone? Oklahoma would need to be moved to Eastern? There's legitimate concerns with permanent DST such as children walking in the mornings so I doubt congress would ever allow a change to permanent DST. It really needs to be standard time or keep changing the clocks twice per year.

Is it really even that big of a deal? It takes two minutes to change your clocks. In Spring, go to bed an hour early to account for the hour lost. In Fall, go to a bar and get two last calls.

Easy.

There's legitimate concerns with permanent DST such as children walking in the mornings

Which was exactly the excuse Congress gave when they EXTENDED it in the first place.

Ok, I"m a little confused. I want DST permanent. I think that makes me in favor of 1309, correct?

This horse**** is unnatural and needs to be done away with. It should just be the normal time the entire year. As stile said, just adapt.

Yeah, going home in near dusk/darkness at 430-5pm is totally natural.

Yeah, going home in near dusk/darkness at 430-5pm is totally natural.
Beats driving to work at night.

Ok, I"m a little confused. I want DST permanent. I think that makes me in favor of 1309, correct?

Yes sir.

In non DST my kids walk to school and home in the light. Right now with DST they're walking in pitch black in the mornings. Which one is safer for them?

Beats driving to work at night.

We disagree. I'd much rather drive to work in the lower light time of day.

In non DST my kids walk to school and home in the light. Right now with DST they're walking in pitch black in the mornings. Which one is safer for them?

What time are they walking to school? I'm driving to work between 645-700 AM and it's already well beyond "pitch black" by then.

What time are they walking to school? I'm driving to work between 645-700 AM and it's already well beyond "pitch black" by then.

The ones with pre school activities are heading out closer to 6am. The bus' also start running not much after that. It's already starting to get lighter now, but can you imagine a month ago? Or two?

Pitch black may be an exaggeration, but it's pretty dark. And their are stretches in my neighborhood on the way to the school where there are no street lights. I get nervous jogging in the morning. Especially since so many cars use this drive through my neighborhood as a shortcut to work and speed through there.

It wouldn't be able to pass because Congress would have to approve adoption of DST for full year. States can only opt out of DST, they can't extend it.

Editorial .....
Personally, I think extending DST in the fall (to November) was dumb; IMO DST should begin just before the Spring Equinox (Mar 21) and DST should end just after the Fall Equinox (Sept 21). Having DST from say Mar 10 until say Oct 1 would be my preference. Also, instead of starting DST on Sunday, they should do it on Friday night/Saturday so most folks (who have those days off) can have that entire weekend to adjust. ...

anyway, my thoughts. ...

We disagree. I'd much rather drive to work in the lower light time of day.

Getting dark between 5:30-6:00 pm is fine by me. Just leave the clocks alone because when it changes it screws with your internal time clock. Prob takes years off your life.

This horse**** is unnatural and needs to be done away with. It should just be the normal time the entire year. As stile said, just adapt.

There's nothing "natural" about Standard Time. All of these numeric schemes are just made up. Man had to come up with some way to make sense of things with our Earth's rotation. This is an interesting read
http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2011/11/15/3364432.htm

I would much rather spring forward, and leave it alone. I have no problem with driving to work in the dark. ... I'm going to work. I would rather have that extra daylight in the evenings year round. Oklahoma has decent weather 9-10 months out of the year. A lot of people here do outdoor activities during the fall and winter months, and a little extra daylight in the evenings is nice.

I would much rather spring forward, and leave it alone. I have no problem with driving to work in the dark. ... I'm going to work. I would rather have that extra daylight in the evenings year round. Oklahoma has decent weather 9-10 months out of the year. A lot of people here do outdoor activities during the fall and winter months, and a little extra daylight in the evenings is nice.

We must have different takes on weather, I'd say in general Oklahoma has maybe a month worth of decent weather. Other than that it's too hot, too cold, or too windy. The wind is what ruins it for me and makes what would otherwise be a decent day be crappy.

That would be a permanent daylight savings time and just not falling back every fall. I think we would be better off in sacrificing the 1 hr in the summer. As opposed to going to work and school in the complete dark all during the winter and outdoor construction not starting till 8:30 or 9 in January. Northern states would definitely not want to do this. Russia tried this for a few years and abandoned it.

Edit: I just realized you were talking about getting rid of fall back and not DST.

Commuting and facing the rising or setting sun would be less of a problem on full time DST.

We must have different takes on weather, I'd say in general Oklahoma has maybe a month worth of decent weather. Other than that it's too hot, too cold, or too windy. The wind is what ruins it for me and makes what would otherwise be a decent day be crappy.

I certainly understand where you're coming from. I guess coming from all my years of riding motorcycles & bicycles, and just generally wanting to be doing something outside rather than inside, that's where I would like to have more daylight in the evenings.

As compared to up north where folks are shut in from November to March, we do have plenty of good days. But yes, the heat does get to me more as get older.

guys, Congress has to approve full-time DST or any other DST extensions. ... period. States can opt out of DST but they can't extend it.

Many of you are wishing for something that can't and wont be accomplished. By law, we can only wish for ending/opting out of DST altogether, or "perhaps" shortening it.

oh, and time zones were established by the rail roads, so that as trains departed from one area there would be consistency in time of day for major destinations; from the prospective of the sun. So, a 7am sun looks the same in NY as it does in Chicago, and so on.

Interesting, I've lived/visited countries (China in particular) who do not have time zones. China is also a large country but you hardly notice the difference in time until you get into the very far west, which has an unofficial Yuugar time zone; all of the rest of the country is based on how Beijing sees the sun with no change throughout the year. Again, I hardly noticed the difference being in the middle - Sichuan/Chongqing; for business still went in around 8am and off around 5pm regardless of the sun and still got things done nationwide. ...

Is it time to redact time zones too? or just DST?

How about we all go to UTC, so that anywhere in the world the clocks will show the same time. That would make the sun rise here between 12 and 1 PM, the midnight would occur only a few hours after sundown, but we could get used to it. That would also do away with the International Date Line because everywhere would be on the same day, although moving the calendar in late afternoon might be a trifle confusing...

14991 Don't forget to turn them back an hour in the fall.:lol2:

Eat two dinners! Problem solved. ;)

How about we all go to UTC, so that anywhere in the world the clocks will show the same time. That would make the sun rise here between 12 and 1 PM, the midnight would occur only a few hours after sundown, but we could get used to it. That would also do away with the International Date Line because everywhere would be on the same day, although moving the calendar in late afternoon might be a trifle confusing...

I can't imagine our Navy not having a "Shellback" ceremony.

Just for the record we are going off DST this weekend and going back to Standard time.:drunk:

Just for the record we are going off DST this weekend and going back to Standard time.:drunk:
The hero we needed!

How about we all go to UTC, so that anywhere in the world the clocks will show the same time. That would make the sun rise here between 12 and 1 PM, the midnight would occur only a few hours after sundown, but we could get used to it. That would also do away with the International Date Line because everywhere would be on the same day, although moving the calendar in late afternoon might be a trifle confusing...

So . . . Is that Spring Forward and Fall Back? . . . Or Versa Vice? Inquiring Memes want to no.

Hopefully in February the legislature will keep us at standard time. The time changes are unnecessary.

Keep the time change set to an hour ahead all year and I'll be happier. Changing clocks and watches twice a year isn't my cup of tea.

Hopefully in February the legislature will keep us at standard time. The time changes are unnecessary.

Yes, it would be so good to have the sun rising at ~ 5:15 a.m. and setting at ~ 7:45 p.m. all summer. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Nm

Since it is required to have Standard Time, can we run DST 364 days a year?

Since it is required to have Standard Time, can we run DST 364 days a year?

No. If a state elects to be on DST, it must be for the same uniform period of time as others that use it.

You mean no once a year day where we move time back 4 hours? Call it state sleep in day?

No. If a state elects to be on DST, it must be for the same uniform period of time as others that use it.

/s

Kind of a tongue -in-cheek. I see how that would have been misleading.

Dark at five o'clock sux. Viva Daylight Savings Time. (yeah, right. as if.)

Article: Daylight Saving Time Ends — but No One Knows Why the US Is Doing It Anyway
http://flip.it/sbxcFW

We are no longer an Agrarian Nation. We no longer need DST.

As any farmer would be more than happy to tell you, we never needed it, at least certainly not on their behalf. The cows don't care what time the clock says, they really only know milking time and feeding time. The rooster doesn't check his watch before crowing.

As any farmer would be more than happy to tell you, we never needed it, at least certainly not on their behalf. The cows don't care what time the clock says, they really only know milking time and feeding time. The rooster doesn't check his watch before crowing.
Exactly. Farmers were opposed to it and animals and crops never needed it.

If we don't change time twice a year how will I know to check my smoke alarm batteries? :wink:

Blame the Benjamin. https://www.timeanddate.com/time/dst/history.html

Urban legend. Ben Franklin, as he did with many of his articles/essays, was being a smart alec. Linked article even says it.

The problem with the legend is nobody ever reads the actual article he wrote. He wasn't suggesting anyone change their clocks, he was suggesting people get up before noon. So they could open their shutters and "let the dark out". Benjamin being the first person in history to discover that the sun started generating light as soon as it rose.

Whatever. Doesn't really matter.

As any farmer would be more than happy to tell you, we never needed it, at least certainly not on their behalf. The cows don't care what time the clock says, they really only know milking time and feeding time. The rooster doesn't check his watch before crowing.

Yes, you are correct, but only to a certain point. The cows don't care what the clock time is, but they (and any other animal) know when their milking and feeding time has changed, and they don't know or understand why. Any animal that requires human maintenance notices the change in their maintenance schedule because us humans have changed the time we perform it. All they know is it's earlier or later than what they've become used to. Even our domestic pets (dogs, cats, etc.) notice they get fed earlier or later.

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Hopefully in February the legislature will keep us at standard time. The time changes are unnecessary.





Yes, it would be so good to have the sun rising at ~ 5:15 a.m. and setting at ~ 7:45 p.m. all summer. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Yeah, I can already hear it now..."How come it doesn't stay light as late as it used to? It used to be light much later than this during the summer? I want it to be light later."
And the reply would be..."Well, the reason is because you people didn't want to change the clocks forward anymore. So instead of the Sun setting at 8:45pm, it now sets at 7:45pm.

People don't think these things out.

Or we could just let the Legislature worry with things which matter, and we can just continue adjusting the clocks since it's not hurting anything anyway (aside from a few feelings here and there).

Or we could just let the Legislature worry with things which matter, and we can just continue adjusting the clocks since it's not hurting anything anyway (aside from a few feelings here and there).

That may be the most ignorant statement ever posted on here. Please don't take this as an attack, but an opportunity to do a little research and learn. It most certainly does cause a lot of hurt, up to and including death, that's the point. While ignorant people still try to claim energy savings, the cost is massive and far outweighs any savings.

That, and the whole death thing.