Don't worry, I've seen plenty of more ignorant comments in other threads. I've read about all that, but maybe it's lost on me because I don't stress over it. I'm not taking it as an attack. I get from where you're coming.

emtefury

Default Re: Daylight Savings Time

Hopefully in February the legislature will keep us at standard time. The time changes are unnecessary.






Yeah, I can already hear it now..."How come it doesn't stay light as late as it used to? It used to be light much later than this during the summer? I want it to be light later."
And the reply would be..."Well, the reason is because you people didn't want to change the clocks forward anymore. So instead of the Sun setting at 8:45pm, it now sets at 7:45pm.

People don't think these things out.

I would prefer it get darker earlier. At least 7:45pm in the summer would be bearable.

I never understood the big deal about the change for some people. It is a minor inconvenience for most. Like most things the reports of all the "issues" are overblown. I hate standard time, it is already dark here in Denver at 4:30 in the winter. Your location in the time zone makes a difference.

I saw an online poll somewhere (for what little they are worth) asking whether to keep the DST change, standard time year round or make standard time to be the same as DST and it was overwhelmingly for DST year round. Saw a similar one for England and in The Japan Times and the people there wanted permanent DST. I know that it gets dark in Tokyo at 4:30 also.

https://kfor.com/2019/01/25/bill-proposes-end-to-daylight-saving-time-in-oklahoma/

So if all-year Daylight Saving Time isn't an option, fine. We'll go the other direction.

This is the third or fourth state I've read about in the last couple weeks. Kansas wants to end it as well. Washington is proposing the all-year DST, I imagine they'll learn the same lesson.

https://www.kansas.com/news/politics-government/article224747030.html

http://mynorthwest.com/1242751/washington-bill-daylight-saving-time/

https://www.12news.com/article/news/proposal-would-end-daylight-savings-time-in-new-mexico/75-3860f978-968f-4f41-85f5-d1f61da04c30

https://www.courant.com/politics/hc-pol-connecticut-daylight-saving-time-20190115-xhugzlqntvdkveq5ndmdhaxs2m-story.html

https://wdef.com/2019/01/16/daylight-saving-time-bill-back-tennessee/

This idiotic habit is not long for this world, thankfully.

I would do away with it if it was my choice. Moving your clock forward and backwards every spring and fall seems pretty dumb to me.

This idiotic habit is not long for this world, thankfully.

Not as idiotic as wanting the sun to rise before 6 a.m. and set before 8 p.m. in the summertime.

The best reason to end this inane time shifting is that the house will be cooler when you go to bed. That means you won't need to set your thermostat so low to be comfortable in bed. Saves money & uses less energy.

Not as idiotic as wanting the sun to rise before 6 a.m. and set before 8 p.m. in the summertime.

Well the answer to that is clear, but Congress won't allow it.

Not as idiotic as wanting the sun to rise before 6 a.m. and set before 8 p.m. in the summertime.

This. Also, one would think that our Legislature has more pressing things on which they should be focusing.

This. Also, one would think that our Legislature has more pressing things on which they should be focusing.

Yeah yeah yeah, and as long as cancer exists, scientists should only work on that. As if scientists and legislators do just one thing at a time.

So...is the idea to stay on permanent standard time or daylight savings time?

So...is the idea to stay on permanent standard time or daylight savings time?

The intelligent thing to do, at least for this area, would be DST year-round. Congress refuses to allow that, and when asked to change the law preventing it, said "we prefer to leave that to the states", without giving them the actual power to do so. That's why there are so many bills being introduced to just say forget about DST entirely.

Yeah yeah yeah, and as long as cancer exists, scientists should only work on that. As if scientists and legislators do just one thing at a time.

Things. Plural. *eyeroll*

Talk about first world problems. Geeze.

Things. Plural. *eyeroll*

That would be the point, yes.

That would be the point, yes.

Hence what I stated in my first post should you have troubled yourself to engage in a little reading comprehension.

Hence what I stated in my first post should you have troubled yourself to engage in a little reading comprehension.

This is not a warboard, and your personal attacks are unwelcome, so I will not be continuing this conversation. You implied that they could not work on this issue in conjunction with others. You know this to be untrue.

Despite some people thinking this isn't an issue deserving attention, it is getting it.

This is not a warboard, and your personal attacks are unwelcome, so I will not be continuing this conversation. You implied that they could not work on this issue in conjunction with others. You know this to be untrue.

Despite some people thinking this isn't an issue deserving attention, it is getting it.

I understand that, but it feels like every time I comment somewhere you have something snarky to contribute. I implied nothing, and if you read it that way, then that's your issue to work through. I implied that they have more important things (plural) to deal with than this - for starters, teachers streaming across the borders into states who treat them better, infrastructure that is crumbling, and a host of other things that need done. I certainly don't consider it a warboard, as you say, but I also don't take kindly to false implications.

I do agree with you on one thing. It would be a ton easier to stay on DST all year long. It feels like a day is so much more productive with it staying light later in the day. But the federal government would probably shut that down.

Honestly, after living in Phoenix and Tucson, I would pay money to go back to standard time year round. People complain about getting off work and it is dark, but that is just natural winter. In the summer time, even with standard time, the sun would still be up until nearly 8:00 and with dusk, later than that. Daylight saving time, may be good for those that stay up late but for those of us that have to get up at 4:00 AM, and have insomnia, it really is hard to get to sleep when it is still daytime.

During the summer, the only time I ever see darkness is in the morning, on the way to work. I know it is just a personal preference but standard time is normal, and people would get use to it.

I have to admit I stay up late at night, and get up later than most people do. I love DST, and look forward to the change every spring. I love it being lighter longer in the evening, and wish we could keep DST all year long. I get so much more done during DST, and dread when it changes back to Standard time.

This ^^^^

^^^ Agreed... when it come time to spring forward, set it and forget it.

Add Oregon to the list.

https://katu.com/news/local/i-think-it-messes-with-a-lot-of-peoples-sleep-schedules-ditch-daylight-savings

Idaho.

https://idahonews.com/news/local/new-bill-from-rep-zito-eliminate-daylight-saving-time-in-idaho

Arkansas.

https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2019/feb/05/bill-would-scrap-daylight-saving-time-arkansas/

I agree with rezman. "when it comes to spring forward, set it and forget it". I would like for it to be brought to a vote of the people, but my luck, it probably would be voted standard time all year. That would be more awful than having the time change twice a year.

I agree with rezman. "when it comes to spring forward, set it and forget it". I would like for it to be brought to a vote of the people, but my luck, it probably would be voted standard time all year. That would be more awful than having the time change twice a year.

The US Congress would have to modify the Uniform Time Act for any state to stay on DST, which is not going to happen. No state can go on DST permanently without this modification to the UTA (at the very least, since there may be other hurdles they have to overcome if that one ever came to pass) - they either have the choice to stay on standard time or switch back and forth, this has been mentioned in this thread multiple times, I believe.

The US Congress would have to modify the Uniform Time Act for any state to stay on DST, which is not going to happen. No state can go on DST permanently without this modification to the UTA (at the very least, since there may be other hurdles they have to overcome if that one ever came to pass) - they either have the choice to stay on standard time or switch back and forth, this has been mentioned in this thread multiple times, I believe.

Marijuana is illegal at the federal level but legal in some states. Wouldn't that be the case here or is the clock the line the states dare not cross.

Marijuana is illegal at the federal level but legal in some states. Wouldn't that be the case here or is the clock the line the states dare not cross.
I agree, Stew. It's rather ridiculous that the clock is considered "untouchable" How backward that is.

Marijuana is illegal at the federal level but legal in some states. Wouldn't that be the case here or is the clock the line the states dare not cross.

Interesting way of thinking about it. I'd guess that eventually MJ will be re/de-scheduled at the federal level, so *that* won't be an issue, but since time zones affect absolutely everybody, that's a bigger thing. But who knows, far enough in the future, the UTA may be modified to allow states to do what they want. Since DST is an artificial human concept (although clocks and measuring of time by seconds, minutes, etc. could also kinda sorta said to be the same), I'd suspect that the UTA/standard time will still be the law of the land.

The US Congress would have to modify the Uniform Time Act for any state to stay on DST, which is not going to happen. No state can go on DST permanently without this modification to the UTA (at the very least, since there may be other hurdles they have to overcome if that one ever came to pass) - they either have the choice to stay on standard time or switch back and forth, this has been mentioned in this thread multiple times, I believe.

i thought i saw that Florida was going to make a challenge for this after they voted to stay on DST, to try and make it official and get congress to change it. and several other states are looking at it... Massachusetts is also allegedly lobbying the US congress before it is on their 2020 ballot... so i think it might actually change... it will just take a bit of time