oh. :(

well, still - happy to have the flights/planes and the work in OKC. .

Yep. Definitely maintenance. They have been sending their planes here for 15-20 years or more.

Mainline = what? The 737 instead of the E175?

Yes. Mainline would be the 737s or Airbus's. Regionals are the E175's. It would be like flying United when you're in a A320 or 737 but when you fly the CRJ200's,etc you're flying on a regional airline, like Skywest or Mesa,etc.

Got it. Is anyone other than WN flying 737s from OKC?

Got it. Is anyone other than WN flying 737s from OKC?

AA, DL, and Casino Express

...Casino Express

Casino Express is now Xtra Airways, and is a very rare visitor here (only does charter flights). If I'm not mistaken I think we get more visits from Miami Air International (which just flew in a whole crew of OG&E workers from San Juan, Puerto Rico a few days ago).

As for passenger airlines that fly mainliners to/from OKC:

- American | Currently MD 82s/83s and a 319 (MDs will be retired this year)
- Delta | Currently flies B717-200s and B737-700s (though MD-88s have been scheduled for the summer months in the past)
- Southwest
- United | mix of 737s and 320-family aircraft (319 or 320)

Currently Fedex and UPS have Airbus 300-600Fs scheduled to/from OKC.

Don't forget Frontier and Allegiant. While they don't have regionals they are still considered mainline sized aircraft.

^Ahh yes, good call. Yep, both fly mainline (mix of 320-family and MD-80).

DL has thrown in 735s too

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/american-cites-integration-in-52-route-growth-spurt-445022/

From 7 June, the airline will connect Philadelphia to Oklahoma City with twice daily non-stop OKC-PHI starting June 7.

Woo-Hoo! All that's left hub-wise is OKC-LGA, OKC-MIA and OKC-DCA (focus city).

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/american-cites-integration-in-52-route-growth-spurt-445022/

From 7 June, the airline will connect Philadelphia to Oklahoma City with twice daily non-stop OKC-PHI starting June 7.

Woo-Hoo! All that's left hub-wise is OKC-LGA, OKC-MIA and OKC-DCA (focus city).

Is LaGuardia basically a no-go, due to mileage restrictions? I believe the only exceptions for that are hubs, right?

Is LaGuardia basically a no-go, due to mileage restrictions? I believe the only exceptions for that are hubs, right?

OKC is within both the LGA and DCA perimeters.

https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/28467689_1707353565977335_2966891978722698092_n.jp g?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=741cd9ed1c147eb6014fc1dfe5e90555&oe=5B049555

DL has thrown in 735s too

Delta doesn't have any 735s.

Delta doesn't have any 735s.

Just went with what I found on Flight Aware. Must be a mistake.

DAL1140 B735 Hartsfield-Jackson Intl (KATL) Fri 05:09PM CST Fri 07:37PM EST Fri 07:37PM EST
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL1140/history/20180302/2209Z/KOKC/KATL

Just went with what I found on Flight Aware. Must be a mistake.

DAL1140 B735 Hartsfield-Jackson Intl (KATL) Fri 05:09PM CST Fri 07:37PM EST Fri 07:37PM EST
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL1140/history/20180302/2209Z/KOKC/KATL

FlightAware is bad about that. It reports the wrong a/c type occasionally. It was actually a 739 on Friday surprisingly. Probably a mx swap.

FlightAware is good but recently I've been noticing some weird stuff going on with some flights. Might be a software issue.

FlightAware uses a hybrid of airline schedule data and FAA flight plans. For example, an airline might punish for sale a flight operated by a 73V which is an internal United code. FlightAware gets confused (rightfully) so it makes a best guess as to what equipment is being used. I don't know why they don't just use the FAA flight plan info at all times...

^It started using ADS-B data very recently for flights that transmit ADS-B data. I hear the FAA has switched to ADS-B pretty much everywhere now and it will be a requirement by 2020.

^It started using ADS-B data very recently for flights that transmit ADS-B data. I hear the FAA has switched to ADS-B pretty much everywhere now and it will be a requirement by 2020.

For position updates, but the flight plan is still on file with the FAA and should always have the correct a/c code.

Agreed.

Current route map (combined)
https://i.gyazo.com/31009b18cdbf1adadad90cc9e09f7ac9.png

@Catch22 - thanks for sharing this great direct-flight route map first of the year. Have the direct flight options changed? We’re planning a 2018 trip with a granddaughter, and are looking for a direct flight to-from OKC. Thanks!

I saw this morning that Delta is dropping Dayton from LGA to add Chattanooga. Sure would like them to add OKC.

I saw this morning that Delta is dropping Dayton from LGA to add Chattanooga. Sure would like them to add OKC.

They have DCA and now will have LGA, too. Chattanooga! I don't get why we can't get one of these two destinations or both.

They have DCA and now will have LGA, too. Chattanooga! I don't get why we can't get one of these two destinations or both.
I’m with you. What the heck does Chattanooga have?

I’m with you. What the heck does Chattanooga have?

To be fair, it is a lot closer to both of those places. And we have flights to other airports in those markets already. I think those 2 will come to OKC eventually.

@Catch22 - thanks for sharing this great direct-flight route map first of the year. Have the direct flight options changed? We’re planning a 2018 trip with a granddaughter, and are looking for a direct flight to-from OKC. Thanks!

Philadelphia, PA is the only change to that map, that service on American begins June 7.

I’m with you. What the heck does Chattanooga have?

Chattanooga has beauty. It's close to many major metros and has quite a bit of manufacturing located nearby, which means frequent business travel opportunity.

Chattanooga has beauty. It's close to many major metros and has quite a bit of manufacturing located nearby, which means frequent business travel opportunity.

DCA service is usually political. Oklahoma's state leaders haven't been demanding enough (or don't care) to get DCA service to either OKC or TUL. Meanwhile Arkansas has not one but TWO non-stops to DCA (from LIT and XNA). Even Mississippi has daily non-stop service from Jackson to DCA.

For the most part, the closer you are to the hub the more service you will get. The longer the flight, the higher the cost. A good example would be the amount of service we have to Dallas, compared to how much service Jacksonville has to dallas. It doesn't cost AA a lot to send a lot of flights to OKC. Crew costs are low, fuel costs are tiny, and the amount of aircraft time tied up is minuscule. JAX, even though a similar sized city, is much farther. Fuel and crew costs are quadrupled, and aircraft utilization time is tripled. Since it costs more, they have to have higher fares which reduces the number of people willing to pay. So even though the cities are similar, the lower cost of the shorter flight allows AA to give OKC more service in the form of cheaper fees for their routes out of DFW. It costs AA more to gain that feed out of JAX.

In this scenario, a lot of smaller cities in the east have better service to the east coast hubs not because they have something better than OKC. They are simply cheaper markets to operate in due to distance.

Chattanooga has beauty. It's close to many major metros and has quite a bit of manufacturing located nearby, which means frequent business travel opportunity.

So because OKC doesn't have "beauty" we don't have air service to DCA and LGA? Wha?

So because OKC doesn't have "beauty" we don't have air service to DCA and LGA? Wha?

It adds to the charm of a destination; it's closer to the east coast, thereby cheaper to operate, as noted above, meaning it's easier to count as a recreation and tourist destination. It's all part of a package of reasons why they'd have it and we don't.

It adds to the charm of a destination; it's closer to the east coast, thereby cheaper to operate, as noted above, meaning it's easier to count as a recreation and tourist destination. It's all part of a package of reasons why they'd have it and we don't.

While I still don't buy the "beauty" factor (I mean DTW has service to LGA and DCA;)), the closeness and simple economics is what determines these services.

Chattanooga has beauty. It's close to many major metros and has quite a bit of manufacturing located nearby, which means frequent business travel opportunity.

We have more beauty, since we have cities on the west coast, and Philadelphia, right? Or does it only work when OKC is made to be the ugly duckling?

While I still don't buy the "beauty" factor (I mean DTW has service to LGA and DCA;)), the closeness and simple economics is what determines these services.

DTW metro is also 8 times larger than Chatannoga's, and its airport has a Delta hub. If you look at the table catch22 posted on the 1st page of this thread, in Q 2 of 2017, there were 433 round trip passengers per day to WAS airports, which includes Dulles and BWI on top of DCA. That’s not all that much traffic if you consider that IAD and BWI have a direct flights already. I’d guess we maybe have 120 round trip passengers per day, which would then only make economic sense for one airline to fly to/from OKC once a day? Just back-of-the-napkin here...

Don’t get hung up on my beauty comment, it’s just part of a package why Chatanooga is a place to fly from DCA.

I see Allegiant is announcing a bunch of new routes tomorrow. Doesn't appear that OKC will be getting any with tomorrow's announcement. Not sure if this a sign that they feel OKC is maxed out at the moment. Or..Allegiant ran out of darts on the dart board :)

Nothing to write home about if you're the average passenger but looks like Southwest will be starting 737 MAX-8 (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA2125/history/20180308/2040Z/KOKC/KHOU) service on one of the HOU flights.

Showing an -800, now, not a MAX 8.

https://twitter.com/Fly_Nashville/status/971781667068182528?s=20

Nashville service added by SWA

1x weekly on Sunday. It's a start.

Bummer about the MAX 8, pretty sure Airlineroute.net mentioned HOU-OKC-HOU was going to be one of the MAX 8 routes added this year. On the other hand, good stuff with BNA added in the mix, even if it's one weekly.

https://twitter.com/Fly_Nashville/status/971781667068182528?s=20

Nashville service added by SWA

Seems pretty random, but the business must be there to warrant giving it a try. Provides some more connection opportunities I guess for us. How many pax per day currently go OKC-BNA?

Excellent news! Hope it gets used so that we get more than 1 x weekly.

Seems pretty random, but the business must be there to warrant giving it a try. Provides some more connection opportunities I guess for us. How many pax per day currently go OKC-BNA?

90 in the total market, so about 45 or so each way.

See this post for others.
http://www.okctalk.com/showthread.php?t=43879&p=1017456#post1017456

Casino Express is now Xtra Airways, and is a very rare visitor here (only does charter flights). If I'm not mistaken I think we get more visits from Miami Air International (which just flew in a whole crew of OG&E workers from San Juan, Puerto Rico a few days ago).

As for passenger airlines that fly mainliners to/from OKC:

- American | Currently MD 82s/83s and a 319 (MDs will be retired this year)
- Delta | Currently flies B717-200s and B737-700s (though MD-88s have been scheduled for the summer months in the past)
- Southwest
- United | mix of 737s and 320-family aircraft (319 or 320)

Currently Fedex and UPS have Airbus 300-600Fs scheduled to/from OKC.

American also flies 738 to DFW.

http://www.okctalk.com/showthread.php?t=43879&page=9&highlight=commericial+aviation

Another huge month, keep in mind they lost a day or two because of the ice storms

http://www.okctalk.com/showthread.php?t=43879&page=9&highlight=commericial+aviation

Another huge month, keep in mind they lost a day or two because of the ice storms

https://flyokc.com/sites/default/files/News/February2018Enplanement.pdf

Looks like you had the wrong link in your post.

https://flyokc.com/sites/default/files/News/February2018Enplanement.pdf

Looks like you had the wrong link in your post.

Doh!

^Not bad, not bad at all. Especially for February.

Those numbers are great! I still don't understand Delta's route network out of OKC. Yes, I get the flights to ATL but it seems that we could use more service to SLC. 1 flight a day is pretty pathetic considering that OKC averages 400+/a day to LAX. United sends mainline to Denver. WN sends a 737 to Vegas and Phoenix and there are a bunch regionals going to LAX, Phoenix,Seattle. It seems that the need for going west is there out of OKC. Is Delta missing out on a chance to expand SLC or do they feel that 1 flight a day is all we really need?

I could see them attempting OKC-LAX since UA pulled out. There's simply no west coast presence for them, as you stated.

I could see them attempting OKC-LAX since UA pulled out. There's simply no west coast presence for them, as you stated.

I'd love more Delta west coast presence. It's our primary choice for business, but often doesn't work when I want to get west.

Those numbers are great! I still don't understand Delta's route network out of OKC. Yes, I get the flights to ATL but it seems that we could use more service to SLC. 1 flight a day is pretty pathetic considering that OKC averages 400+/a day to LAX. United sends mainline to Denver. WN sends a 737 to Vegas and Phoenix and there are a bunch regionals going to LAX, Phoenix,Seattle. It seems that the need for going west is there out of OKC. Is Delta missing out on a chance to expand SLC or do they feel that 1 flight a day is all we really need?

Delta is pretty constrained at SLC right now. Once their new airport terminal project is complete they may have the capacity to increase frequencies. I could see 2x daily to SLC at that point. If you haven't been to SLC recently their new terminal is under construction next to the existing one and will be really impressive.

It's a shame because it used to be 3x daily.

Is Delta still trying to expand SEA?

I know this is way off topic, but have the been about talks about an international flight? Even one to Toronto would be killer! I know it's doubtful, but I was just curious.

I know this is way off topic, but have the been about talks about an international flight? Even one to Toronto would be killer! I know it's doubtful, but I was just curious.

I wouldn't be surprised if we saw Air Canada within 5 years. Toronto has preclearance, and they have recently been expanding to middle tier US cities. "I wouldn't be surprised" should not be taken as a "I expect".

Looking at those passenger counts made me curious as to what they were in the past. So I went to the FAA site and looked it up. I looked at 2000 numbers and noticed that OKC and Tulsa were nearly even in passenger counts. Then, I looked at 2017 expecting to see similar rankings. But OKC really separated itself with explosive growth in terms of passengers. Two energy-reliant economies with very different trajectories over the past 20 years.
OKC in 2000 ... 1,739,169 OKC in 2017 ... 3,925,358
Tulsa in 2000 ...1,737,672 Tulsa in 2017... 2,885,327

The Tulsa region has a less dynamic economy and slower population growth compared to the OKC region. The strong growth and increased nonstops at XNA likely also contributes to fewer potential passengers at TUL compared to years past.

I wouldn't be surprised if we saw Air Canada within 5 years. Toronto has preclearance, and they have recently been expanding to middle tier US cities. "I wouldn't be surprised" should not be taken as a "I expect".

Yeah, Air Canada Express already serves MCI and STL to YYZ (on CRJ2s though) and starting May 1 even OMA will have service to YYZ!