damonsmuz
09-21-2018, 05:26 PM
What is up w/ this flight??? Was bound for OKC
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL2483
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL2483
View Full Version : 2018 Oklahoma City Aviation Thread damonsmuz 09-21-2018, 05:26 PM What is up w/ this flight??? Was bound for OKC https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL2483 jonny d 09-21-2018, 05:35 PM What is up w/ this flight??? Was bound for OKC https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL2483 You see the weather? damonsmuz 09-21-2018, 05:36 PM Yes, I do see the weather. But, if it were weather related then the flight would've diverted to nearest airport. Not fly halfway to Oklahoma and then turn back to ATL damonsmuz 09-21-2018, 05:39 PM And, this weather is fine to fly through. No convection at all (i.e.: storms). This is solid rain which is easy for planes to fly through damonsmuz 09-21-2018, 05:46 PM Sounds like it could be something serious. (as are some other big media stations). <--- Per someone I work with damonsmuz 09-21-2018, 06:21 PM From a passenger: "Flight from ATL-OKC had to turn around halfway because of a deicing issue. Had to fly alll the way back to ATL because their maintenance hub is located there" catch22 09-21-2018, 07:40 PM Sounds more specifically an anti-icing issue. Definitely don't want to fly into cold rain with ice cold wings if your anti-icing system reports a fault. brianinok 09-22-2018, 07:45 AM A Delta flight from SLC to MCO was diverted to OKC yesterday morning too. Delta had an adventurous Friday in OKC. http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2018/09/21/delta-passenger-removed-from-plane-for-head-butting-flight-attendant.html Richard at Remax 09-22-2018, 11:00 AM I was thinking about flying to San Diego in Feb on Frontier. I thought we had a direct flight there. Is it a seasonal route or is it gone? catch22 09-22-2018, 12:34 PM “Seasonally discontinued” which is Frontier-speak for “the route will not return”. I believe it is joining San Antonio in the graveyard. damonsmuz 09-24-2018, 12:23 PM Looks like Frontier will continue their Orlando to OKC service next April and May. PaddyShack 09-26-2018, 10:08 AM I drove by Wiley Post yesterday on my way home from work and saw two American Airlines Dash-8s(what appear to be at least) at the maintenance hanger on the southern side of the airfield. I don't recall seeing commercial liners around this maintenance facility, usually it just large private/charter turboprops. Is American just using Wiley Post as overflow or should we start seeing more use of Wiley Post? catch22 09-26-2018, 10:59 AM I believe they are in the process of drawing down the Dash 8’s, likely they were sold to someone and a shop at Wiley Post is performing maintenance on them. OUman 09-26-2018, 11:52 PM The Dash 8s are likely ex-Piedmont Airways planes, Piedmont's now getting CRJs. Suffice it to say PWA is not getting an American Eagle maintenance facility. damonsmuz 09-29-2018, 04:37 PM I see AS announced service from San Diego to El Paso. Is AS trying to build up San Diego now? I love that we have service to SEA but the time is horrible. Hate the late evening slot. I know we've pretty much exhausted the talk of AS adding new cities out of OKC but could they possibly add an additional flight for connection purposes??? catch22 09-29-2018, 08:42 PM ^looks like in spring they move the flight to a 2:20pm departure HOT ROD 10-02-2018, 01:18 AM ha - ask and ye shall receive, no? catch22 10-02-2018, 10:05 AM AA OKC-DCA begins Feb 14 http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/2018/American-Airlines-Enhances-2019-Schedule/default.aspx gopokes88 10-02-2018, 10:21 AM Wow. That's awesome. BG918 10-02-2018, 10:23 AM AA OKC-DCA begins Feb 14 http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/2018/American-Airlines-Enhances-2019-Schedule/default.aspx Interesting especially since Southwest will be starting OKC-DCA on November 4. I know those DCA slots are in high demand. AA is also resuming TUL-LAX. damonsmuz 10-02-2018, 10:38 AM Nice! What's the equipment type for DCA to OKC? catch22 10-02-2018, 11:29 AM Nice! What's the equipment type for DCA to OKC? Schedules aren’t loaded but I would guess an E175 damonsmuz 10-02-2018, 11:48 AM I'm happy for the new announcement to DCA but am kinda surprised that this was the route chosen. With PHL so close, why did AA decide on DCA rather than MIA ? catch22 10-02-2018, 11:52 AM I'm happy for the new announcement to DCA but am kinda surprised that this was the route chosen. With PHL so close, why did AA decide on DCA rather than MIA ? I was expecting MIA also, but happy with DCA. I imagine that we will lose a PHL frequency as a trade off. sooner333 10-02-2018, 11:53 AM I'm happy for the new announcement to DCA but am kinda surprised that this was the route chosen. With PHL so close, why did AA decide on DCA rather than MIA ? I’m far from an expert, but my guess would be to keep up SWA for market share in OKC. BG918 10-02-2018, 12:10 PM I'm happy for the new announcement to DCA but am kinda surprised that this was the route chosen. With PHL so close, why did AA decide on DCA rather than MIA ? LGA would be better even if it means a drop in frequency to PHL. But good to see AA cover all of their bases from OKC minus MIA. shawnw 10-02-2018, 12:28 PM catch, are you expecting MIA based on inside info? HangryHippo 10-02-2018, 12:29 PM LGA would be better even if it means a drop in frequency to PHL. But good to see AA cover all of their bases from OKC minus MIA. Yep, I could really use LGA or JFK. And MSY for selfish reasons. no1cub17 10-02-2018, 12:41 PM I was expecting MIA also, but happy with DCA. I imagine that we will lose a PHL frequency as a trade off. Interesting you say that. Has PHL not been performing well? Loads have been so-so on the random dates I've checked. Lots of award space too which is always a bad sign given how stingy AA has become. no1cub17 10-02-2018, 12:46 PM I’m far from an expert, but my guess would be to keep up SWA for market share in OKC. Not to mention PHL and DCA are totally different markets, plus I'd imagine PHL is more targeted towards connections and DCA is more O&D - although AA is still huge at DCA so there will probably be connecting opportunities there. catch22 10-02-2018, 12:47 PM catch, are you expecting MIA based on inside info? Nope. They have just added a few similar markets to MIA recently. OMA was one of them. catch22 10-04-2018, 08:46 PM What a difference a decade makes. 2008: https://i.gyazo.com/1d5945243fa1ac548533597374f80d5c.png American: DFW/ORD/STL Continental: IAH/EWR Delta/Northwest: ATL/MEM/MSP/SLC/DTW Southwest: DAL/HOU/MCI/STL/DEN/PHX/LAS United: DEN/ORD/LAX US Airways: PHX 2018: https://i.gyazo.com/996e16951d97e7a970148e91245486a1.png jonny d 10-04-2018, 08:48 PM What a difference a decade makes. 2008: https://i.gyazo.com/1d5945243fa1ac548533597374f80d5c.png American: DFW/ORD/STL Continental: IAH/EWR Delta/Northwest: ATL/MEM/MSP/SLC/DTW Southwest: DAL/HOU/MCI/STL/DEN/PHX/LAS United: DEN/ORD/LAX US Airways: PHX 2018: https://i.gyazo.com/996e16951d97e7a970148e91245486a1.png In before people complain about the flights we have lost...jkjk! That is impressive to see! Now we need to add Miami, PDX, and Boston, and possibly JFK/LGA (unlikely) and we will be set! Celebrator 10-04-2018, 10:44 PM Forgot VPS! catch22 10-04-2018, 11:05 PM Forgot VPS! I did! :) PaddyShack 10-05-2018, 08:31 AM Would be a nice route map for a local airlines based here... Oh well, a guy can only wish. Haha. catch22 10-06-2018, 05:19 PM Catch22 here reporting live from the Will Rogers World Airport where by 4:45pm, DNC has closed half of the food establishments in the airport. There are still departures scheduled until 7pm. no1cub17 10-06-2018, 11:37 PM Catch22 here reporting live from the Will Rogers World Airport where by 4:45pm, DNC has closed half of the food establishments in the airport. There are still departures scheduled until 7pm. Sounds about right. Truly pathetic! catch22 10-07-2018, 08:27 AM American has loaded DCA this morning, but as usual don’t pay attention to the prices yet as the revenue management system lags behind schedule changes. It severely overpriced flights that it does not have pricing models for. OKC-DCA 6:55am-10:50am DCA-OKC 6:00pm-8:20pm Will be operated by an E175 as expected. damonsmuz 10-07-2018, 09:29 AM Love the times! Correct me if Im wrong but aren't all of AA's gate in use at that time? catch22 10-07-2018, 09:31 AM Love the times! Correct me if Im wrong but aren't all of AA's gate in use at that time? Yes, but they aren’t quite into February with their schedule yet. They are brushing into January right now. Everything after is a dummy schedule. I’m sure there will be some adjustments in the coming weeks when they refine the end of January and February. I’m really impressed with AA’s growth in OKC lately. OUman 10-07-2018, 11:11 AM Just an aside here but for those interested... LH announces Austin-Frankfurt (http://www.austintexas.gov/news/lufthansa-newest-international-airline-austin-announces-austin-frankfurt-germany-nonstop) damonsmuz 10-07-2018, 10:45 PM Here's what I find weird. In the last few months we have seen AA anounce service to PHL and DCA. Southwest announces service to DCA . So, 3 routes to the east coast but somehow United can't maintain service all year to Newark? I know some will say that each airport has different services but Newark has a bunch of connections to the NE catch22 10-07-2018, 11:21 PM United is stretched for aircraft and is in a growth spurt, which means routes are competing against each other. OKC-EWR has to compete with OMA-EWR for equipment (for example, not necessarily that exact case). American has a very large fleet, and they aren’t really growing so they have the flexibility to experiment with routes and allow for marginal routes to mature. They can shuffle the deck and allow new routes without sacrificing other routes too much. With a large number of aircraft joining the fleet over the next several years, hopefully United can relax a little bit and be more aggressive in the market. With that said, the spring schedule shows United ending mainline service in OKC completely and reducing DEN to 3 E145s and 1 E175. I think it’s safe to say United is very bearish in OKC, I wonder if this growth from American is depressing yields for United? I have a close eye on Delta, because if they start pulling back it’ll be clear that American is disrupting things more than we may want. no1cub17 10-08-2018, 11:21 AM United is stretched for aircraft and is in a growth spurt, which means routes are competing against each other. OKC-EWR has to compete with OMA-EWR for equipment (for example, not necessarily that exact case). American has a very large fleet, and they aren’t really growing so they have the flexibility to experiment with routes and allow for marginal routes to mature. They can shuffle the deck and allow new routes without sacrificing other routes too much. With a large number of aircraft joining the fleet over the next several years, hopefully United can relax a little bit and be more aggressive in the market. With that said, the spring schedule shows United ending mainline service in OKC completely and reducing DEN to 3 E145s and 1 E175. I think it’s safe to say United is very bearish in OKC, I wonder if this growth from American is depressing yields for United? I have a close eye on Delta, because if they start pulling back it’ll be clear that American is disrupting things more than we may want. Wow - going down to just 4x to DEN and three of them on ERJs? That seems extremely light! AA's DFW and LAX hubs must be taking a lot of business from UA. Would be a real shame to see a draw down from UA and DL - AA is in no way a good enough airline to have this big a market share here. I don't even want to know what'll happen to fares here - they're high enough as it is. catch22 10-08-2018, 11:27 AM In the last year AA has added a lot of capacity, and a lot of connecting opportunities. We have seen in the last year, and forward in the next 6 months: PHX + 1 daily PHL + 2 daily DCA + 1 daily LAX + 1 daily (net 3) DFW + 1 daily (net 10) Great but almost worrying. BG918 10-08-2018, 11:58 AM In the last year AA has added a lot of capacity, and a lot of connecting opportunities. We have seen in the last year, and forward in the next 6 months: PHX + 1 daily PHL + 2 daily DCA + 1 daily LAX + 1 daily (net 3) DFW + 1 daily (net 10) Great but almost worrying. How many daily flights does OKC also have to ORD and CLT on AA? HangryHippo 10-08-2018, 12:19 PM In the last year AA has added a lot of capacity, and a lot of connecting opportunities. We have seen in the last year, and forward in the next 6 months: PHX + 1 daily PHL + 2 daily DCA + 1 daily LAX + 1 daily (net 3) DFW + 1 daily (net 10) Great but almost worrying. It's been great for me personally. I'd like to fly Delta more, but their schedules and destinations out of OKC suck and their fares tend to be horrendous. catch22 10-08-2018, 12:29 PM How many daily flights does OKC also have to ORD and CLT on AA? 4 daily to ORD, sometimes 5 (summer or peak) 2 daily to CLT, sometimes 3 for peak periods. no1cub17 10-08-2018, 02:38 PM It's been great for me personally. I'd like to fly Delta more, but their schedules and destinations out of OKC suck and their fares tend to be horrendous. I used to fly DL/NW all the time back home to Michigan. OKC just isn't well positioned relative to DL's hubs IMO - plus skymiles has become more or less of a joke of a FFP, even compared to AA. BG918 10-08-2018, 03:06 PM 4 daily to ORD, sometimes 5 (summer or peak) 2 daily to CLT, sometimes 3 for peak periods. So non-peak departures for AA with the DCA add (and assuming it doesn't include a cut for PHL): DFW: 9x ORD: 4x LAX: 3x CLT: 2x PHL: 2x PHX: 1x DCA: 1x Total: 22 Jeepnokc 10-08-2018, 06:11 PM It's been great for me personally. I'd like to fly Delta more, but their schedules and destinations out of OKC suck and their fares tend to be horrendous. Yep. When they shut down Memphis...started getting harder. It just seems that AA is always canceling flights. Maybe wrong and curious if Catch or someone have stats on who cancels the most flights our of OKC. Jeepnokc 10-09-2018, 07:54 AM Yep. When they shut down Memphis...started getting harder. It just seems that AA is always canceling flights. Maybe wrong and curious if Catch or someone have stats on who cancels the most flights our of OKC. So not OKC's numbers but ironic this popped up today. "In July, American and regional affiliate American Eagle canceled 5,422 flights, according to the most recent government figures. That was the second highest rate in the industry behind Frontier Airlines, and compared with 2,394 cancellations at United and United Express and 1,154 at Delta and Delta Connection." http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-airlines-interline-rebooking-20181008-story.html no1cub17 10-09-2018, 08:28 AM Yep. When they shut down Memphis...started getting harder. It just seems that AA is always canceling flights. Maybe wrong and curious if Catch or someone have stats on who cancels the most flights our of OKC. Why? ATL is orders of magnitude larger than MEM ever was - curious why DL shuttering the MEM hub made it harder to fly DL? Have never heard that before. BG918 10-09-2018, 09:18 AM Why? ATL is orders of magnitude larger than MEM ever was - curious why DL shuttering the MEM hub made it harder to fly DL? Have never heard that before. MEM was a good connecting point for flights north and east. Easy airport to navigate and lots of connecting flights in the Northwest/early Delta heyday. Similar to how STL operates today for Southwest, it's good for connecting flights to places like PIT, LGA, BOS, etc. HangryHippo 10-09-2018, 10:27 AM Yep. When they shut down Memphis...started getting harder. It just seems that AA is always canceling flights. Maybe wrong and curious if Catch or someone have stats on who cancels the most flights our of OKC. It did. SkyPesos just kill me, but Delta is running the best operation in my experience. It's just more pleasant, consistent, etc. But AA's FF program still offers me the best ROI, so I'm happy to see their expansion in OKC. no1cub17 10-09-2018, 10:34 AM MEM was a good connecting point for flights north and east. Easy airport to navigate and lots of connecting flights in the Northwest/early Delta heyday. Similar to how STL operates today for Southwest, it's good for connecting flights to places like PIT, LGA, BOS, etc. ATL also offers tons of connections? Not just to the northeast but Europe, South America, Asia - that MEM would've never been able to support. I agree MEM was a pleasant enough airport to connect through, but it just didn't make sense to keep that hub post-NW/DL merger. CloudDeckMedia 10-09-2018, 10:47 AM So not OKC's numbers but ironic this popped up today. "In July, American and regional affiliate American Eagle canceled 5,422 flights, according to the most recent government figures. That was the second highest rate in the industry behind Frontier Airlines, and compared with 2,394 cancellations at United and United Express and 1,154 at Delta and Delta Connection." http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-airlines-interline-rebooking-20181008-story.html I read that also. AA is the largest carrier in the US, so you have to wonder what's going on at Frontier for them to cancel so many flights. BG918 10-09-2018, 11:30 AM ATL also offers tons of connections? Not just to the northeast but Europe, South America, Asia - that MEM would've never been able to support. I agree MEM was a pleasant enough airport to connect through, but it just didn't make sense to keep that hub post-NW/DL merger. I agree post-merger it didn't make sense with ATL. But connecting in MEM vs. ATL was a breeze. CLT has been a nice add for AA that fills a hole in the SE for connections to the NE and Florida. BNA (Nashville) could eventually be a decent connecting point for Southwest, hopefully their single OKC flight is bumped to daily at some point. catch22 10-09-2018, 01:55 PM https://flightaware.com/live/flight/THT940/history/20181009/1500Z/KCHS/KOKC Hopefully someone got a photo of this. Very rare sight for okc. |