In my experience, the bigger the truck the more aggressive the driver.

And my thought is the bigger the truck the bigger the 'little man syndrome'.

This is just a bad deal all around. Too many variables in this situation we don't see on film. The guys on the bikes took the situation too far, and if there was some type of criminal doing by the guy in the truck (before the beat down), then they should have called the cops with the name of the company and tag # on the truck. If you poke the bear too much, he may go crazy on you, and that is what I see on the film. I am not condoning what the guy in the truck (and his buddies) did, its just a no win......

Guys on the bikes and the bubba's both had opportunities to end this before the escalation, and they didn't.

This is just a bad deal all around. Too many variables in this situation we don't see on film. The guys on the bikes took the situation too far, and if there was some type of criminal doing by the guy in the truck (before the beat down), then they should have called the cops with the name of the company and tag # on the truck. If you poke the bear too much, he may go crazy on you, and that is what I see on the film. I am not condoning what the guy in the truck (and his buddies) did, its just a no win......

Guys on the bikes and the bubba's both had opportunities to end this before the escalation, and they didn't.

What specifically did you see in any video which shows the bike riders were in the wrong here? Perception and prejudice seem to matter a great deal here. I can take away that the bikers MIGHT be doing something wrong here. I didn't see the lanes marked as no passing, so I can't conclude there was anything untoward here. It seems you have created a narrative where the bikers did something wrong and then adopted that narrative as fact without any evidence to support it. How am I wrong?

I'm kind of amazed how many people can watch this video and make so many factual conclusions from it which it clearly doesn't support without more information being needed.

They stopped and got off of their bikes. I learned when I was arrested a decade ago for assault and battery (I merely stepped agressivly towards a salesman who wouldn't leave my shop) that the only good scenario is to remove yourself from the situation. The bikes were following the truck. They knew something was up. They could have stopped, turned around, whatever. It doesn't excuse ANY of the truck drivers' behavior. But this situation could have been de-esculated if either party removed themselves from the scenario.

http://www.ocolly.com/news/crime/osu-students-escape-unharmed-after-violent-road-rage-encounter/article_55946abc-9912-11e7-a167-e703b7ad9211.html

They stopped and got off of their bikes. I learned when I was arrested a decade ago for assault and battery (I merely stepped agressivly towards a salesman who wouldn't leave my shop) that the only good scenario is to remove yourself from the situation. The bikes were following the truck. They knew something was up. They could have stopped, turned around, whatever. It doesn't excuse ANY of the truck drivers' behavior. But this situation could have been de-esculated if either party removed themselves from the scenario.

Guy in red truck blocking the road with a shotgun pointed out the window is why they stopped.

Guy in red truck blocking the road with a shotgun pointed out the window is why they stopped.

No defense for the truck drivers at all. It's indefensible. Just a reminder that the best thing to do is extract yourself from the situation if you can. Based on the stories they followed and engaged the trucks after he almost hit them. One of the hardest lessons I've learned in my life is the ability to step away(and I'm still not good at it). None of this makes it their fault.

It's a biker lesson. Right of way and legality won't matter much if it's you vs car.

The guy in the overalls and fatso with the knife are the worst kind of stereotypical redneck. I hope the two of them plus the guy in the pickup get the book thrown at them.

"false equivalency" ... "motorcyclists strung up"...etc.

Obviously you must be talking about comments from some other thread, I haven't seen anyone here say what the bikers got was deserved, legal, appropriate.

Likewise, some of the the bikers broke the law repeatedly in the video, one did admit to not letting a motorist pass him, whatever that entailed and exercised horrible judgement, reckless driving, in carrying on a heated discussion while riding down the wrong way of a two lane road. No need to pretend none of that happened either. Bikers can be total A-holes at times, discourteous, aggressive, full of road rage. I've seen it. And some can act normally. I've owned a bike. Do not presently.

Both things appeared to have happened. Cite them and/or lock them all up for their respective crimes.
Agree 100%.

http://www.ocolly.com/news/crime/osu-students-escape-unharmed-after-violent-road-rage-encounter/article_55946abc-9912-11e7-a167-e703b7ad9211.html

According to comments to this story, there is a 45 minute video now in possession of the authorities. Is that from the stolen camera? I wondered if that would surface and what might be on it.

Not sure which ones, but a couple of them are brothers.

I have to agree with Jerrywall and Pete. It's best to just walk away, or in this case, ride away and insulate yourself from those kinds of situations and people. 20-30 years ago I would have been in the middle of the fray. Now days. I'll do my best to avoid stuff like this.

This is interesting, because if true, he identified himself as a Hell's Angel member in a red and gold state. And if not true, it could be even worse for him.

Yep. That's what I was getting at.

...Obviously you must be talking about comments from some other thread, I haven't seen anyone here say what the bikers got was deserved, legal, appropriate...

Well, actually I was. That was directed at the YouTube comments Pete and I both referenced, and at this point there is quite a bit on social media. But hey, if the shoe fits, wear it. As Pete mentions your post is contradictory.

Not that I'll be shocked if there is video evidence that the cyclists intentionally made it difficult to pass; but if so it's worth little more than a traffic ticket. There is very little you can do from the seat of a motorcycle to deserve the felonious response that is clearly-documented in this video.

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This is exactly why video is so awesome.
Video can be manipulated. Easily with today's technology. Professional editing suites like Premiere CCS and Final Cut Studio aren't even that expensive. This video was either edited or they didn't turn it on until late into the event. You don't get to see all the things leading up to the fracas.

The part of the video we do see doesn't jibe with the bikers' side of the story. They said something along the lines of being scared and just trying to get away, but we see the lead biker pulling up next to the truck yelling and shaking his fist at the driver. If you're going to act like that, then you better be able to back it up. It doesn't matter what the law says because the law may not be there in time to do you any good. Luckily these guys got out of it without much injury.

I'm not defending what the guys in the trucks did either, but to put the blame completely on them isn't right. I think what probably happened is like what happened with the guy in NYC a few years back that was pulled from his vehicle and beaten by a bunch of sport bike riders and he had a wife and child in the car as well. The only difference is, this incident went the other way for the bikers.

And don't take this as me hating bikers. I used to ride a cruiser quite regularly (I'm having trouble getting it to start currently). But I stayed to myself and didn't engage with motorists. I gave a wide berth to them and certainly didn't ride up next to them and cuss them and shake my fist at them because of some slight that I thought they'd given me. And I never prevented them from passing me (I don't even do that in my car). As a result, all of my rides were pleasant.

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The point is that unless those bikers pulled out guns and knives of their own, it doesn't matter what was edited out. The mere fact they have these guys on film doing these things is more than enough to apply the law and convict.

And as previously posted, the authorities seem to have a full, unedited 45 minute recording.

As for assigning blame, that is what the legal system is for and it's pretty obvious the way this is going to go.

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The point is that unless those bikers pulled out guns and knives of their own, it doesn't matter what was edited out. The mere fact they have these guys on film doing these things is more than enough to apply the law and convict.

And as previously posted, the authorities seem to have a full, unedited 45 minute recording.

As for assigning blame, that is what the legal system is for and it's pretty obvious the way this is going to go.
Then it is done. You have decided from the beginning how this is going to go and have argued, fairly vehemently, for your decided outcome for 3 pages.

My desired outcome is that the law is applied in the way it is intended and that is almost certainly what is going to happen here.

But the law doesn't mean much to you if you're dead on the side of the road or spend the rest of your life eating through a tube. These guys got out lucky. You can't go through life thinking, "I'll be as big of a moron as I want to be and the law will save me." Both sides in this video were incredibly stupid. And from what I've seen while riding, the guys with cameras mounted on their helmets are the guys that antagonize motorists and then get them on camera when the motorists retaliate. Just like the sport bike guys in NYC who beat that guy. I never road with a camera because I behaved myself and never expected anything like that to happen and it didn't.

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The point is that unless those bikers pulled out guns and knives of their own, it doesn't matter what was edited out. The mere fact they have these guys on film doing these things is more than enough to apply the law and convict.

As for assigning blame, that is what the legal system is for and it's pretty obvious the way this is going to go.

Pete, I don't have your confidence in the criminal justice system. Paul Arnold Wiseley is a danger to society and shouldn't be walking free. He has dozens of traffic tickets, driving under suspension, numerous protective orders (across five counties no less!), protective order violations, assault on a police officer, arson, the list goes on. In this video he pulls a knife on one man before trying to take control of a shotgun (probably a violation of his previous felony convictions). He is free after quickly posting a $100,000 bond.

The only thing that concerns me about our legal system is when public pressure provides an undue influence.

There are no doubt plenty of people in Pawnee County who think Paul Wiseley is some sort of hero now. Hopefully law enforcement and the DA will do their job in spite of all that.

Just look at how people freaked out over the Jerome Ersland conviction. Another case where the law was pretty darn clear and they had him on video tape.


Often, people mix up their own personal agendas with people who commit clear crimes and then are outraged at the inevitable convictions.

Has there been any statement from USM Surveying? I did notice that their website appears to be down.

Pete, I don't have your confidence in the criminal justice system. Paul Arnold Wiseley is a danger to society and shouldn't be walking free. He has dozens of traffic tickets, driving under suspension, numerous protective orders (across five counties no less!), protective order violations, assault on a police officer, arson, the list goes on. In this video he pulls a knife on one man before trying to take control of a shotgun (probably a violation of his previous felony convictions). He is free after quickly posting a $100,000 bond.

I think his only felony conviction is the assault and battery upon a police officer.

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The point is that unless those bikers pulled out guns and knives of their own, it doesn't matter what was edited out. The mere fact they have these guys on film doing these things is more than enough to apply the law and convict.

And as previously posted, the authorities seem to have a full, unedited 45 minute recording.

As for assigning blame, that is what the legal system is for and it's pretty obvious the way this is going to go.

Have to agree with Pete here. There's an old axiom in the law that says "mere words cannot provoke a battery." I can see that the bikers were alongside that truck and exchanging apple pie recipes, and I hate both sides for acting that way. But there's just no getting around the fact that the truck stopped, the driver got out, shoved the biker, and under the apparently (?) orchestrated protection of Mr. and Mrs. Redneck, proceeded to beat the crap out of the biker.

There's nothing, *nothing* in that video that shows Pickup Truck Guy was in *any* form of danger that justified the conscious, deliberate act of stopping the truck, confronting the biker, and proceeding to beat the crap out of him. I don't care what kind of machismo BS someone tries to lather on this. You don't walk up and beat the crap out of people because you think (or even if they did) cut you off on the road or flip you the bird when they pull up next to you.

And that all this was done under the protection of the big dude who wields the knife and jethro with the shotgun is all the more appalling and infuriating. And keep in mind - you punch a guy in the face the right way, even if its some random street fight, you can kill them - I think a well-applied punch to the nose can drive a bone into the brain. Dead. I think prosecutors call them "one-punch homicides." What if that had happened here?

Were the bikers incredibly stupid for pursuing this nonsense? Of course. But people have to know when you *stop*, and you *have* to know you walk away, drive away, ride away, run away, before this kind of melee ensues. The fact they didn't leave doesn't *justify* what the other guys did. I just hope the legal system doesn't get bogged down on behalf of the "good ol' boys."

Has there been any statement from USM Surveying? I did notice that their website appears to be down.

I've worked with Josh in the past. He seems genuine and I believe they made a statement in regards to this incident. I actually have some work I'm about to hire him on.

Yes, and this is why I avoid confrontation at all costs. People exist that legitimately think you can beat and kill others if they simply did something that upset you or inconvenienced you in any way. The social media comments on this video are extremely telling as you say. I used to be susceptible to road rage back in the days, but now I am one of the most patient drivers out there I think. I also run a dashcamera, so the peace of mind also stems from that.

This. I don't even like to honk my horn unless its a last-resort means of trying to avoid a collision. You just can't assume ANYONE out there isn't a psycho.

^^^SD^^^
As a former biker I declined an invitation to be one of the 1%ers, back in the '70s (Rogues).

As the driver of an 18-wheeler, in order to make an honest living, around the same time, I learned the importance of highway safety as both a giver and a taker.

Now, as a senior, semi-law-abiding citizen, who loves to tour The Great State of Oklahoma via the highways, by-ways and roads less traveled (in a nice air-conditioned cage), I watched the video a couple of times with mixed emotions:

1) The soundtrack to this travesty should be the banjo theme from "Deliverance";
2) If Roy D. Mercer was still on the air this would have made a good script;
3) Even if "rural" Oklahoma Law Enforcement Officer(s)--along with OHP--had rolled up on the scene, it is unlikely that anyone would have been shot. "Support Your Local Police" is probably as timely a message as ever it was.

Thankfully all this didn't happen in a Walmart or Target parking lot.
In Minneapolis or a host of other cities.

What specifically did you see in any video which shows the bike riders were in the wrong here? Perception and prejudice seem to matter a great deal here. I can take away that the bikers MIGHT be doing something wrong here. I didn't see the lanes marked as no passing, so I can't conclude there was anything untoward here. It seems you have created a narrative where the bikers did something wrong and then adopted that narrative as fact without any evidence to support it. How am I wrong?

I'm kind of amazed how many people can watch this video and make so many factual conclusions from it which it clearly doesn't support without more information being needed.

I didn't attempt to make any factual conclusion here, just educated observation. Bike riders were the first ones on the video legally in the wrong by pursuing this guy and harassing him. Harassment is against the law. We only see 26 seconds of it, but it appears this went on much longer as Bubba1 had time to radio up county road 365F for backup. Again, just an educated observation, but had Bubba pulled over and not had his backup bubba's, this would have gone totally the other way. Like I said, no winners here, but if I were Bubba1, I would show up in court and tell the judge that "I feared for me and my families life", and he is likely to get a minimal sentencing, cant speak for the rest of the guys in the video though.

At one point in time, I was the guy flipping the bird, and making sure that they saw it. These days (I am more mature and educated now I think), I give a wave, whether I was in the wrong or they were. Makes my day go much easier.

This. I don't even like to honk my horn unless its a last-resort means of trying to avoid a collision. You just can't assume ANYONE out there isn't a psycho.

Me too Dave, but I do find myself having to use that horn mostly for the first car when the light turns green, because after 5 seconds they don't realize the light is green because they were texting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvsRdgnjqFY

This part doesn't help the bike riders much. Again, no winners. Like how the big man says he is going to pray for everyone at the end.

Me too Dave, but I do find myself having to use that horn mostly for the first car when the light turns green, because after 5 seconds they don't realize the light is green because they were texting.

Fair point. Me, too.

I didn't attempt to make any factual conclusion here, just educated observation. Bike riders were the first ones on the video legally in the wrong by pursuing this guy and harassing him. Harassment is against the law.

First, I don't see how you could define pulling up alongside someone to try to speak to them or even to shout obscenities at them would fit any criminal statute I know of. Maybe you know better than I do? In all of the criminal code of which I'm aware, there is nothing which prevents a citizen from initiating an oral confrontation with another citizen. Once everyone is stopped (after the potentially illegal discharge of a firearm got everyone to stop), who is the aggressor? Is pummeling a kid who was at the time not a danger to anyone legally justifiable? Even if he had in recent past been a danger, was he at the time the truck driver initiated physical contact? I'm not even sure you could get to reckless driving as the road wasn't marked as a no-passing zone. I'm not sure it's as clear-cut there as you think it is. So here is what the bike riders say started this:


Somewhere along the way, Rader said, a navy blue late-model Chevrolet Silverado came up behind the group. Rader said the bikes stretched about 200 yards down the road, going only about 45 mph so the smaller bikes could keep up.

The truck passed the bikes going up a blind hill in a no-passing zone before the group turned north, Rader said, eventually cutting back in front of Daniel and another rider, nearly leading to a crash.

Daniel, riding a larger bike, sped up to pull alongside the truck, the video shows. Daniel said the truck driver was putting the riders in danger on the highway, and although he wanted to plead his case, he said he didn't want a fight to start.

http://www.ocolly.com/news/crime/osu-students-escape-unharmed-after-violent-road-rage-encounter/article_55946abc-9912-11e7-a167-e703b7ad9211.html


We only see 26 seconds of it, but it appears this went on much longer as Bubba1 had time to radio up county road 365F for backup. Again, just an educated observation, but had Bubba pulled over and not had his backup bubba's, this would have gone totally the other way. Like I said, no winners here, but if I were Bubba1, I would show up in court and tell the judge that "I feared for me and my families life", and he is likely to get a minimal sentencing, cant speak for the rest of the guys in the video though.

Apparently, the bikers turned over a 45 minute video to the sheriff. If the video lines up with their story, i.e., the truck was driving recklessly and nearly collided with some of the bikers, does that change your perception?


At one point in time, I was the guy flipping the bird, and making sure that they saw it. These days (I am more mature and educated now I think), I give a wave, whether I was in the wrong or they were. Makes my day go much easier.

haha yes. I had one of those encounters the other day on NW Expressway. I was going at or above the speed limit and wanted to get from point A to B. I had the opportunity to go around a slower moving vehicle and in doing so, I cut off a lifted black pickup doing probably around 65 MPH. After doing so, the pickup weaved through traffic, nearly causing several accidents so that the driver could pull up next to me and roll down his window to tell me how my actions in cutting him off endangered everyone. If someone is already that irrational, engaging them more fully doesn't ever lead to positive results.

And here's the thing--your last paragraph tells me that you know better than to condone firing a gun in a threatening manner, pummeling a defenseless person who at one time MAY have threatened your family. You also know better than to condone holding a knife to someone's throat while making threats about blowing someone's face off while reaching for a firearm. So knowing all of that, why is any of what happened after everyone stopped justifiable?

It just goes to show how silly it is to get that angry over anything, but especially over some perceived cut-off while driving.

You never know who you are dealing with and there are plenty of people who don't have much to lose and/or don't value life; either their own or anyone else's. And let's face it, there are lots of people running around with guns and not a lot of sense.

Like the guy that shot and killed the younger guy in the Target parking lot after the two had some sort of road rage incident. Frankly, I'm just as concerned about the angry middle-aged dude (believe he was around 60 or so) as I am some tough-looking kid.

When someone does something ridiculous on the road I really, really try to say to myself, "It happens" and just move on. There is nothing but bad things that result if you do anything more, no matter how wrong you perceive the other person to have been.

I'm WAYYYY more concerned (especially in this state) about middle-aged "good-ol' boys" with guns than any younger tough-guy.

Here's what I expect to go down...the men with knives and guns will be charged with making threats with a deadly weapon and maybe a few other charges. You can use a gun to protect yourself and your immediate family from harm that could result in severe bodily injury or death, but you can't do that for your friend or bystanders. There's no excuse for any of what they did AFAIK.

Third truck driver is probably going to be charged with assault and battery. Initial reports are two men were charged, and I'm going to bet that's the gun and knife pair, while the DA keeps investigating the rest of it. His situation may or may not be as simple, slam dunk guilty in the eyes of the DA as some people think. Or it could be more complicated.

If the second hand story being told in this thread and other places holds up the bikers were menacing the people in the truck, following them, beating on the truck, attempted to run them off the road, or whatever, they should be charged with Stalking (in addition to the numerous moving violations.)

If evidence supports that, I don't see assault and battery charges ending with a stiff sentence for the guy who beat up the biker. But I guess it depends. If he phoned a friend and they talked about friend grabbing his shotgun and setting up a roadblock or something similar. He's going to be in it a lot deeper.

We don't know jack about what really happened. May not ever either.

2014 Oklahoma Statutes
Title 21. Crimes and Punishments

§21-1173. Stalking - Penalties.
Universal Citation: 21 OK Stat § 21-1173 (2014)

A. Any person who willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows or harasses another person in a manner that:

1. Would cause a reasonable person or a member of the immediate family of that person as defined in subsection F of this section to feel frightened, intimidated, threatened, harassed, or molested; and

2. Actually causes the person being followed or harassed to feel terrorized, frightened, intimidated, threatened, harassed, or molested,

upon conviction, shall be guilty of the crime of stalking, which is a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment in a county jail for not more than one (1) year or by a fine of not more than One Thousand Dollars ($1,000.00), or by both such fine and imprisonment.

Having put on more than my fair share on both sides of VPO trials, the word "repeatedly" in the stalking statute is not meaningless.

Having put on more than my fair share on both sides of VPO trials, the word "repeatedly" in the stalking statute is not meaningless.

I'm sure.

They approached the truck once that we know of because it's in the video and the truck is quite a ways in front. Was that it or was it cat and mouse for an hour? Either way, I'm pretty sure there's at least one law that says you can't menace people in another vehicle repeatedly over a period of time, beat on their truck, pull in front and slow down as if you are going to stop them and generally cause fear and intimidation to the people inside as some are reporting second and third hand.

Maybe none of that happened and everything the bikers said is 100% true. Maybe it isn't and it did.

Striking the vehicle would be a battery, so there's a crime right there. Your vehicle is generally thought to be an extension of your being.

I'm pretty confident a judge would find this to be a single incident for the purposes of the statute.

But what the hell do I know? I'm just a lawyer who has had to prove or defend allegations like stalking on a pretty regular basis.

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Man Tells His Side Of Pawnee County Road Rage Video (http://www.newson6.com/story/36371059/man-tells-his-side-of-road-rage-video)

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Man Tells His Side Of Pawnee County Road Rage Video (http://www.newson6.com/story/36371059/man-tells-his-side-of-road-rage-video)

The driver's side of the story is more what I took from the video. The bikers clearly had several opportunities just on the nine minute video to disengage but they kept pursuing him. At least one of the guys in a truck was pre-positioned there so this pursuit had been going on long enough for the driver to call and arrange back-up. The biker who got the beat-down (and who was asking for a beat-down...right or wrong) was clearly the aggressor in the video.

If your brother, sister-in-law and their four children call and say they are being chased and harassed by 10-12 guys on motorcycles, would a reasonable person take and wield a firearm to defend his family?

I don't know anything about the law but I don't think this situation is as one-sided as many people here seem to think.

It will be very interesting to hear the whole story, based on available evidence.

From the story:


“I was there to protect my family.” He said.

His brother was driving the pickup truck seen in the video.

You are allowed under Oklahoma law to use deadly force to protect your siblings from peril that might result in great bodily injury or death. Guess we'll see if that might apply before this is over with.

A reasonable person might setup on the side of the road, use the firearm to get them to stop, tell them to back off, and then help your buddy escape the group because the threat is over.

Holding a group at gunpoint so your friend can become the aggressor and beat someone up falls under no definition of self defense whatsoever.

A reasonable person might setup on the side of the road, use the firearm to get them to stop, tell them to back off, and then help your buddy escape the group because the threat is over.

Holding a group at gunpoint so your friend can become the aggressor and beat someone up falls under no definition of self defense whatsoever.

Nor does holding a knife to someone's neck while you threaten to kill them and steal their property.

A reasonable person might setup on the side of the road, use the firearm to get them to stop, tell them to back off, and then help your buddy escape the group because the threat is over.

Holding a group at gunpoint so your friend can become the aggressor and beat someone up falls under no definition of self defense whatsoever.

On the other hand, if a reasonable person believed the 9-12 bikers on the other side of the camera posed a threat of great bodily injury or death to guy with a gun or his brother, he could have killed them all under the law. Guy with a knife is a different story.

They no longer posed a threat shortly into the video, so any claim of self defense is meaningless.

A situation can quickly turn from self defense to assault based on who is the active aggressor and who is causing the threat. Self defense =\= punishment for threats. Once the group of bikers stopped the threat was over, after that the group with the gun became the threat when they used it to assault someone.

But we still have a large group of people who think a local pharmacist didn't execute someone, so they might very well get off.

Yes it can. Somewhere shortly in this situation gunman put up the weapon and started giving assistance.Maybe too late, maybe shouldn't have been there, maybe saved his brothers life.

Too bad Chuck Norris wasn't around. He would have taken them all out. The loud mouth heavy set guy prob. needs to be charged with something. The guy in the PU fighting the little guy on the bike should get a pass since the little guy on the bike was a big part of the instigation. The guy with the shotgun also should be charged with brandishing a weapon.

Chuck Norris couldn't have been around. He left the state after the treaty of 75 was signed because the two of use can't occupy the same state. ��

Chuck Norris is getting old. He used to be Walker, Texas Ranger. Now he's Texas Ranger with a walker.

There seems to be a big assumption by some in this thread that what's right and the law are the same thing. It doesn't matter whether someone deserved a beat down or not. Citizens don't get to make such decisions unless your life is really in immediate danger, which does not appear to be the case by the time we see the film. I absolutely cannot tell if the bikers are aggressors early in the video. They may have been, but I'd need evidence and that is almost a completely separate issue. However, but the man with his family in the truck should have called the police and avoided confrontation (unless the threat was immediate, which it does not appear to be). Instead, he got out of his car and became the obvious agressor while his friends threatened others' lives with a gun and a knife and then stole property. While the rest of the video is needed to detemine whether the bikers committed a crime, the video that went public clearly shows that the fighter and big guy committed crimes.

^^ Imo, the same could be said for both parties. They both had chances to remove themselves from a scenario or de-escelate the situation, from what we've seen. Nit excusing any of the behavior at all, but you've got to be safe and try to avoid these conflicts. You never know who will have a weapon.

When the results of all of the pushing leading to shoving et. al. arrives in a courtroom somewhere between the outskirts of Stillwater and the harsh realities of an attempted visit to Hallet Motor Speedway (not far from the former Arlex Fireworks Plant) in order to watch a real motorcycle race, I hope that the judge will address the assembled hooligans, scofflaws, hillbillies/rednecks by doing his best Strother Martin impression: "Boys . . . What we got here is a failure to communicate . . . . . . In a normal, civilized and effective manner. So . . . Y'all gotta get your minds right [insert sentence of choice that makes you feel better about your opinion].

p.s. I scoff at The Chuck Norris Solution. Billy Jack could have kicked Chuck's ass all the way to next week, last week and back again. (of course, there ain't no comic book heroes actually involved in this fracas involving a conflict of cultures. is there?) No drugs. No booze. Simply a misunderstanding of "The Rules of The Road." Here's a warning ticket. Don't pull that [stuff] again? OK?

And all of the defendants/accused shake hands and exit the Halls of Justice having learned an important lesson: There is a reason our elders suggested not to run with scissors, tease people on the playground or try to be a bully. Right? =~)

The fat, knife-wielding dude in the vid claimed to be a "Real Deal Hell's Angel." I think that testimony should be stricken from the record. Your Honor. Obviously, he had no respect for himself, others, or sinister forces out to get him. If he had flashed a Masonic Ring or a B.P.O.E. badge it wouldn't make a difference.

I like how the Lady Bubba woman is screaming about children being in the truck (being in danger). Her redneck hubby's solution? Call his redneck posse to show up with a firearm. Crazy rednecks with guns and potential stray bullets/shells sounds like a wonderful solution.

Thanks for the laughs RM. The affair seems to me like a poorly done mashup of the parade from Animal House, some scene frim Smoky and the Bandit with Buford T Justice, the last scene from Easy Rider with a Grath Brooks sound track.

p.s. I scoff at The Chuck Norris Solution. Billy Jack could have kicked Chuck's ass all the way to next week, last week and back again. (of course, there ain't no comic book heroes actually involved in this fracas involving a conflict of cultures. is there?) No drugs. No booze. Simply a misunderstanding of "The Rules of The Road." Here's a warning ticket. Don't pull that [stuff] again? OK?


Actually that's prob. the best thing and I agree.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/oklahoma-road-rage-012693

^^^ Urbanized^^^ I can't remember the last time I paid a visit to The Smoking Gun. Thanks for the link. I especially liked their use of the word buffoon. You just don't see buffoon or Buffoonery used nearly enough. "Your Honor, all of these here bozos stand accused of Viral Public Buffoonery, casting The Great State of Oklahoma in a ludicrous light." "How do you plead?" "Whut's 'plead'"?

Thanks for the laughs RM. The affair seems to me like a poorly done mashup of the parade from Animal House, some scene frim Smoky and the Bandit with Buford T Justice, the last scene from Easy Rider with a Grath Brooks sound track.

How about something from Toby Keith instead? (with the Dixie Chicks providing background harmony . . .) =~)

He's not an Okie but maybe Rodney Atkins Take a Backroad.