Jersey Boss
10-29-2024, 08:51 PM
Those probably aren't the folks buying $60,000+ cars.
There are 24 new electric cars available that are less than 50k.
There are 24 new electric cars available that are less than 50k.
View Full Version : Electric Vehicles Jersey Boss 10-29-2024, 08:51 PM Those probably aren't the folks buying $60,000+ cars. There are 24 new electric cars available that are less than 50k. Pete 10-29-2024, 09:02 PM And the world is not Oklahoma. EVs are much more popular in Europe and Asia and on our two coasts. Jersey Boss 10-29-2024, 09:08 PM And those 24 are available in the USA market. Rover 10-30-2024, 02:25 AM And the world is not Oklahoma. EVs are much more popular in Europe and Asia and on our two coasts. Have been in Europe for a bit and can attest to many more evs operating here. Most taxis I've been in are . TheTravellers 10-30-2024, 08:49 AM Someone in or around The Village/Nichols Hills area has a Cyber Truck wrapped in green which does it no favors. Bao Soup Dumplings has one with their logo on the sides. T. Jamison 10-30-2024, 11:15 AM Bao Soup Dumplings has one with their logo on the sides. I saw that one parked outside The Edge at Midtown a few weeks ago. My wife and I were amused. When you are near a Cyber Truck in the wild, you clock it immediately. They stick out like a sore thumb, so I guess it would make an ingenious billboard. jedicurt 10-30-2024, 12:59 PM there is also a cyber truck i see running around in just the past few days that is pink and says Mary Kay on the tailgate KTB 10-30-2024, 03:55 PM There's at least 10 that I know of in my neighborhood and only a couple of those are silver. The rest are wrapped white, black, matte black, green, and camo. I think they look best in black but they're so common now the novelty has worn off for me. Bill Robertson 10-30-2024, 04:14 PM there is also a cyber truck i see running around in just the past few days that is pink and says Mary Kay on the tailgateI hope I don't see it. That sounds horrible. CaptDave 10-31-2024, 02:20 PM VW bought the rights to IH Scout several years ago and just had an event showing their truck and SUV models. They look great and have legitimate off road capability. The most interesting thing is the 'Harvester' option which adds a small gasoline engine that will only turn a generator to recharge the batteries thereby extending the standard range from 300+ to 500 miles. It will operate almost identically to a railroad diesel electric locomotive. Urbanized 10-31-2024, 09:40 PM Yeah, ran across a short showing the Scout concept, and have to say as a former (‘69) Scout owner whose dad also owned a ‘76 Scout II, I’m…intrigued. OKCRealtor 11-05-2024, 02:19 PM Just pulled the trigger and ordered my first electric since my lease is coming due early next March. I came here for some info initially which was helpful! I'm going to miss the sound of my ICE it's literally my favorite vehicle of all time but I'm also excited to get this electric rocketship here & quit paying for gas :evilsmile: Although the base price on vehicle was more expensive the 7500 credit applies to leases so it's actually lowering my monthly payment vs any gas equivalanets + i'll save 200-300/mo on gas I estimate & more if the market picks back up compared to last couple years. Midtowner 11-05-2024, 02:31 PM I'm very interested in which vehicle you ended up with, the cost of insurance, how the batteries wear in hotter climates like ours and how accurate a car which claims it has a 300+ mile range is going to really be. I do most of my work in central Oklahoma, but a few times a year, I have to go out to farther flung places like Guymon, Stillwell, Bartlesville, Altus and Idabel. OKCRealtor 11-05-2024, 03:13 PM I ordered a bmw i4 m50. Range on the 19" tires is 267 miles. From all my research that's pretty accurate with some getting close to 300 depending on conditions/driving. BMW has always been known to underrate stated performance and that's true on this electric as well. Cost of insurance was like an extra $100/year over similar BMW 540. I'm really not at all worried about the battery, I should easily be able to get 200/mi on a charge regardless how hard I drive it & conditions. It comes with free charging from electrify america as well that has a few convenient options around OKC (penn square mall for one). Even if I have to put on a quick charge once in a while I think there's enough places now that it wouldn't be a big deal. In the event I make a Dallas or Tulsa trip I'd have to charge somewhere but even then I think I could probably get to Tulsa and back. Midtowner 11-05-2024, 03:22 PM I ordered a bmw i4 m50. Range on the 19" tires is 267 miles. From all my research that's pretty accurate with some getting close to 300 depending on conditions/driving. BMW has always been known to underrate stated performance and that's true on this electric as well. Cost of insurance was like an extra $100/year over similar BMW 540. I'm really not at all worried about the battery, I should easily be able to get 200/mi on a charge regardless how hard I drive it & conditions. It comes with free charging from electrify america as well that has a few convenient options around OKC (penn square mall for one). Even if I have to put on a quick charge once in a while I think there's enough places now that it wouldn't be a big deal. In the event I make a Dallas or Tulsa trip I'd have to charge somewhere but even then I think I could probably get to Tulsa and back. Yeah, Tulsa and back is no biggie--and a fairly short jaunt. A lot of my trips east have be hitting the Tulsa metro about 7AM en route to a 9AM hearing. There's a supercharger station on I-44 at the Stroud exit and I see charging stations anywhere I need to go, but at 300ish miles, I can make a round trip just about anywhere besides Guymon, Idabel, Altus, etc. OKCRealtor 11-05-2024, 03:32 PM If it wasn't BMW I wouldn't have even considered electric but it's literally the exact same chassis as the normal 4 series. That's true on the 5 & 7's as well. I didn't stay in a 5 series for one just because the new one is so large now & saving a few hundred a month all around was too good to pass up. Really though it's the exact same BMW driving experience in terms of handling, m sport chassis, etc. Interior to a T is the exact same. I drove the m440 and wasn't even close to as quick. They also did a hans zimmer sci fi sounding noise experience that really helps the overall experience IMO esp in sport mode. It's so quiet and smooth though. All the luxury and classic elements retained with lightning quick electric performance. Urbanized 11-05-2024, 04:10 PM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgG9tW-qMng Urbanized 11-05-2024, 04:11 PM https://youtu.be/UVjDPynEvY4?si=582X4XNsYPWAq0UO FighttheGoodFight 11-05-2024, 04:24 PM Man those rule. I might hold onto my current car until these come out. I love that. OKCRealtor 11-05-2024, 07:37 PM https://youtu.be/UVjDPynEvY4?si=582X4XNsYPWAq0UO That is pretty cool- Harvester looks sweet! Snowman 11-05-2024, 08:48 PM Given the small end of truck market was largely abandon years ago due to CAFE standards, it was a little surprising some of bigger manufactures did not target their EV trucks in that zone, given there there should be more pent up demand at that size than in the current ICE truck lineups. April in the Plaza 11-06-2024, 08:45 AM Given the small end of truck market was largely abandon years ago due to CAFE standards, it was a little surprising some of bigger manufactures did not target their EV trucks in that zone, given there there should be more pent up demand at that size than in the current ICE truck lineups. yea, it would be pretty amazing if someone came out with a mid-size hybrid truck that could put down a sub 4 second 0-60 time. looks like scout / volkswagen might be the first to do it. TheTravellers 11-06-2024, 09:06 AM If it wasn't BMW I wouldn't have even considered electric but it's literally the exact same chassis as the normal 4 series. That's true on the 5 & 7's as well. I didn't stay in a 5 series for one just because the new one is so large now & saving a few hundred a month all around was too good to pass up. Really though it's the exact same BMW driving experience in terms of handling, m sport chassis, etc. Interior to a T is the exact same. I drove the m440 and wasn't even close to as quick. They also did a hans zimmer sci fi sounding noise experience that really helps the overall experience IMO esp in sport mode. It's so quiet and smooth though. All the luxury and classic elements retained with lightning quick electric performance. The "sameness" is why I love my MINI Cooper SE - they just took the body and cabin of a regular Cooper S and put it on top of a new chassis/batteries (MINI is made by BMW). The startup noise and pedestrian warning noises are pretty cool, wife says they're spaceship-ish, and the sport mode of the MINI is truly incredible (and a bit scary at first). Hoping it'll last me for decades, because the new electric MINIs from China don't do much for me. OKCRealtor 11-06-2024, 09:38 AM ^ Exactly it's the exact same driving experience/feel other than electric power/sound vs ICE. I've been a car guy since high school and still feel a little weird about it but I know i'll get used to it and love it. It's roller coaster torque & G's when you punch it. I still want a true sports car, if housing market recovers I could see a corvette or something else in next couple years if I can hit some goals. Midtowner 11-14-2024, 05:52 AM Well I think I've settled on an EV. Probably going with the Tesla Y. I've been driving bimmers for the past decade or more, but I haven't been very impressed with their range. I've also disagreed with some of their philosophical choices, i.e., charging customers monthly or annual service fees to access basic features in vehicles like heated seats/steering wheel/etc. I also like the Y's larger storage area and the ability to haul stuff. It's not quite my Honda Element from back in my undergrad days where I was able to haul an entire pallate (loaded by a forklift) of flooring once, but it's a big difference. I spend most of my time in central Oklahoma, but do take the occasional trip to Guymon, Idabel, Stilwell, Altus, Bartlesville, etc., and it looks like not only would the Y be good for most round trips starting from full, but I've been paying attention to charger buildouts and most of these towns have chargers now. The big issue I have making me want to wait a few months to pull the trigger is that the Y is supposed to see a major overhaul in early 2025 and they're pretty mum about what the specifics are going to be. If it's just cosmetic, who cares? FighttheGoodFight 11-14-2024, 08:54 AM Well I think I've settled on an EV. Probably going with the Tesla Y. I've been driving bimmers for the past decade or more, but I haven't been very impressed with their range. I've also disagreed with some of their philosophical choices, i.e., charging customers monthly or annual service fees to access basic features in vehicles like heated seats/steering wheel/etc. I also like the Y's larger storage area and the ability to haul stuff. It's not quite my Honda Element from back in my undergrad days where I was able to haul an entire pallate (loaded by a forklift) of flooring once, but it's a big difference. I spend most of my time in central Oklahoma, but do take the occasional trip to Guymon, Idabel, Stilwell, Altus, Bartlesville, etc., and it looks like not only would the Y be good for most round trips starting from full, but I've been paying attention to charger buildouts and most of these towns have chargers now. The big issue I have making me want to wait a few months to pull the trigger is that the Y is supposed to see a major overhaul in early 2025 and they're pretty mum about what the specifics are going to be. If it's just cosmetic, who cares? It wont be just cosmetic. If you can test drive a new 3 versus the Y. The suspension is substantially better. Reason the Y has been so cheap is they are for sure clearing them out before the refresh. Midtowner 11-14-2024, 02:22 PM I'm also very interested in the Kia EV9.. Looking at Kalidy's website, they have these dealer discounts of $15K and higher. I'm not sure whether that's smoke and mirrors. It likely is. But if you could pick up an EV9 for $45K, that'd be a hell of a deal. FighttheGoodFight 11-14-2024, 02:41 PM I'm also very interested in the Kia EV9.. Looking at Kalidy's website, they have these dealer discounts of $15K and higher. I'm not sure whether that's smoke and mirrors. It likely is. But if you could pick up an EV9 for $45K, that'd be a hell of a deal. The lowest trim option? Looking through the Kia forums the best deals on those were 12k on the base trim. So around 47k. They take more off the higher trims. Up to 15k. Most say harder to deal on the base since their are fewer of them. Makes sense. Good year to buy and EV if the tax credit gets knocked out next year. If you and the car qualify of course. Jeepnokc 11-14-2024, 11:51 PM I'm also very interested in the Kia EV9.. Looking at Kalidy's website, they have these dealer discounts of $15K and higher. I'm not sure whether that's smoke and mirrors. It likely is. But if you could pick up an EV9 for $45K, that'd be a hell of a deal. I was just looking at kias for another company car. Kalidy was the cheapest until you came to the mandatory add on "friends for life" fee of $1895. They went from being the cheapest to one of the most expensive. From their website small print: "All New Vehicles will be assessed a fee of $1,895 for the exclusive Friends for Life package. This is not included in the online sales price. All incentives and rebates (conditional and non-conditional) are contained in the lowest advertised online sale price" Search google for what Friends for Life gets you. If you find it...let me know because I sure couldn't see what it provided anywhere, Not sure I need friends like this. Midtowner 11-15-2024, 12:43 AM Oh yikes. I read the reviews on those guys. Hell no. Guess I'll be skipping that. Lots of these reviews are talking about them adding on all kinds of BS certifications and fees and upping the price another $10K after the 'dealer discount.' The lady on the phone was VERY noncommittal as to whether the discount quoted on the website was an actual cash discount. Jeepnokc 11-15-2024, 06:27 AM Oh yikes. I read the reviews on those guys. Hell no. Guess I'll be skipping that. Lots of these reviews are talking about them adding on all kinds of BS certifications and fees and upping the price another $10K after the 'dealer discount.' The lady on the phone was VERY noncommittal as to whether the discount quoted on the website was an actual cash discount. lol.....it was almost addictive. i looked when trying to figure out what friends for life means and I probably spent 20 minutes reading them they were so bad April in the Plaza 11-15-2024, 09:49 AM Might be a little EV boom across the country over the next few months. I don’t pretend to know exactly what might happen, but I won’t be surprised if some of the tax credits are scaled back or scrapped, to the extent that is possible. PhiAlpha 11-17-2024, 10:43 AM Might be a little EV boom across the country over the next few months. I don’t pretend to know exactly what might happen, but I won’t be surprised if some of the tax credits are scaled back or scrapped, to the extent that is possible. The alternative vehicle tax credit has been in place for years through multiple administrations so I doubt that is going anywhere. Not sure what other tax breaks have been added recently but I don’t think the individual tax credits will change much unless Biden specifically added a credit over the last four years. I do think some government incentives for automakers may be rolled back (which would likely increase electric vehicle costs). I would be willing to bet that any executive orders at the federal level requiring that a certain percentage of vehicles be electric by a future date or seen as putting ICE vehicles at a competitive disadvantage will be scrapped entirely and fairly quickly. OKCRealtor 11-17-2024, 04:16 PM I read this a couple days ago regarding this: https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/trumps-transition-team-aims-kill-biden-ev-tax-credit-2024-11-14/ Stealth_RN 11-18-2024, 10:59 AM I bought a model Y early this year and absolutely love it. Installed a charger at home. Have gone to Dallas and Kansas City with no charging issues. Great car so far. 16k miles already. Rover 11-18-2024, 12:20 PM I read this a couple days ago regarding this: https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/trumps-transition-team-aims-kill-biden-ev-tax-credit-2024-11-14/ Most believe this would greatly assist Tesla at this time. However, I think it accelerates the efforts of the bigger automakers to get more efficient and get higher volumes. This act and tariffs on foreign cars serves up a multi billion bonus for Musk. Pete 11-18-2024, 12:28 PM BYD is about to pass Ford as the 8th biggest global automaker; they are completely on fire with a ton of good, affordable vehicles and did all this in a decade. Tariffs on Chinese cars will only repeat what happened in the 70s with the Japanese: provide short-term protection to American car companies while they fall further and further behind, until the foreign-made cars find a way into our market and completely pulverize everyone. Cars are just crazy expensive these days and anyone who can build a good product for much less is going to dominate. FighttheGoodFight 11-18-2024, 01:24 PM BYD is about to pass Ford as the 8th biggest global automaker; they are completely on fire with a ton of good, affordable vehicles and did all this in a decade. Tariffs on Chinese cars will only repeat what happened in the 70s with the Japanese: provide short-term protection to American car companies while they fall further and further behind, until the foreign-made cars find a way into our market and completely pulverize everyone. Cars are just crazy expensive these days and anyone who can build a good product for much less is going to dominate. Yes if we had the Chinese EVs in our market they would dominate. They are just so subsided and have really neat features along with looks. I don't forsee that happening with whoever is in charge. Pete 11-18-2024, 01:30 PM Yes if we had the Chinese EVs in our market they would dominate. They are just so subsided and have really neat features along with looks. I don't forsee that happening with whoever is in charge. BYD is in the process of setting up a Mexican plant which would be a work-around for any tariff. The U.S. is already flooded with Chinese-made products. Almost everything in big box retailers and on Amazon comes from China. bison34 11-18-2024, 01:33 PM BYD is in the process of setting up a Mexican plant which would be a work-around for any tariff. The U.S. is already flooded with Chinese-made products. Almost everything in big box retailers and on Amazon comes from China. Are there any issues with them being able to be driven in America? I know that is you buy a foreign version of a car sold in America, it takes a physics degree to get it to be able to be legal in America. Just not sure if these cars that are so cheap are built to the standards required to be driven in America (legally). Midtowner 12-01-2024, 06:57 PM lol.....it was almost addictive. i looked when trying to figure out what friends for life means and I probably spent 20 minutes reading them they were so bad I did talk to a sales rep. He said the prices on the website were actually lease prices. Who in the hell goes on a website looking at a price of a vehicle and thinks they're seeing the lease price? Still, they did eventually quote me an amount on an EV9 pretty far below list, but about $10K higher than on the website. They really lost me when a salesperson called and I rejected the call because I was in the middle of something at work and they dialed back immediately. Block. And they are still calling me 2 weeks later from different numbers. Take the hint. I ended up doing a Tesla Y. Things came together and I really couldn't wait until the Juniper came out. I'm very happy with it so far. The self driving demo is pretty cool. I think I'll probably pony up for it when the demo period is over. It's nuts though, the $8K 'purchase' of it is non-transferrable, but they run specials where it is transferrable from time to time. You can also buy it for $99/month, which I'd have to dri ve the same car for 80 months to catch up to the 8K... and then with all of the M&A probably coming in the EV world, who can even say that they won't just spin off their FSD obligation at some point in the future if you drop the money? The "summon" feature is a lot of fun, though it kind of aborts at akward times. It's really not ready for primetime, but it's still fun. The car is fast. My previous vehicle was a 6 cylinder BMW which I thought was decently fast. I was wrong. The Y has got some speed. As far as range and recharging, I have a case going in Guymon right now and that's really the only trip that gives me a little concern. There are chargers up there, but they not Superchargers--they'll charge about 100 miles/hour, so that is no bueno, and according to the apps, they're inconsistent and have been down from time to time. They're also clear up in Hooker, which is probably about 1 extra hour out of the way (there and back), so an 8 hour roudn trip could become an 11 hour round trip. and you'd still be cutting it pretty close to get back to the supercharger in Wetherford. mugofbeer 12-01-2024, 11:08 PM Nothing in Woodward? Plutonic Panda 12-02-2024, 12:40 AM So after having driven a bunch of different electric cars, the only ones that I really like are the Audi Etron, the Ford Mustang Mach,E route, one with extended range, the lucid air deluxe, the Hummer EV, or the Porsche taycan. Given the fact that I can’t even remotely afford the down payment on one of those cars I won’t be getting an EV in my future. I just wish we would adopt a universal standard for charging. I’m just not sure if the infrastructure would even exist to be able to charge all of these cars at once because the demand is so high. If anyone reading this ever goes to California, I’m telling you look up in an Electrify America or EVgo fast charger and see for yourself how long the lines are. The only other ones I’ve driven are the Audi Etron SUV at the Los Angeles car show, the Tesla model three is a test drive, I rented a Ford Mustang MachE, and I drove my buddies Hummer. I was not impressed with the build quality. I do like the mini Cooper that the travelers has I went and looked at it. It seems like a really cool car. Maybe it’s just a learning curve on my part, but I was just having tons of trouble trying to find the right charger for my MachE. It doesn’t help that I live in an apartment right now that doesn’t have a charger so I have to rely on charging it somewhere else. I think I’ll seriously consider an electric car once the range gets above 450 miles(which the lucid air does, but it’s extremely expensive and I can’t afford it) The margin of error on the range display becomes more accurate, and the charging infrastructure gets better. Or I get rich and I can afford to have both an electric car and a gas car depending on what I need for the day. And it doesn’t like like I’m gonna get rich anytime soon so. I now have a 2019 Subaru Forester, which is in the dealership and I have a loaner car which is a 2024 or a 2025. I’m not sure which Subaru Crosstrek wilderness edition. It’s a pretty cool car and I really like it. But I really would like to have an electric car just for daily city errands. I just don’t find it practical right now. My ultimate dream at the moment is to have a lucid air in a Toyota Tacoma TRD pro. But that ain’t happening anytime soon. Midtowner 12-02-2024, 07:25 AM Nothing in Woodward? So no Superchargers. Superchargers are going to charge a Tesla at a MUCH faster rate than say a Chargepoint or Electrify America or Francis Energy charger. There are a lot of chargers and you can locate all kinds with the Plugshare app. I don't have my L2 installed yet and hadn't received my L1, so I spent 30 minutes putting on a few kW at a Chargepoint charger over at the Oncue at 15th and I-35 over the weekend. It's not that there's nothing in some of these towns, its' that what they do have tends to be slow and there are sometimes a disturbing number of folks who will either say that the charge rates aren't as advertised, but MUCH slower, or that the chargers are just out commission or undermaintenance. And sometimes those chargers are the only thing for quite a few miles. Until things get better, I'm borrowing my wife's ICE if I need to get physically to Guymon in the near future. I'm not at all worried about the other places I have cases in like Bartlesville and Altus. I occasionally have a case in SE Oklahoma, but they seem to have a bunch of 50kW chargers down there. Not the best, but they'll at least get your range boosted so you can get to a decent charger. OKCRealtor 12-02-2024, 12:04 PM I'm guessing you got the performance all wheel drive? I've still got 2.5-3 months waiting on my build to come in Midtowner 12-02-2024, 12:51 PM No, I got the dual motor long range. They had one in stock which was exactly what I wanted up in KC, except it was a 7 seater instead of the 5. The back row is by no means a comfortable place to be for a road trip, but would be fine for kids. I don't know that I'll ever use it, but they sold me the 7 seater for the price of a 5 seater. OKCRealtor 12-02-2024, 04:19 PM I didn't realize those had back row and could be a 7 seater. I'm sure it's small but still impressive. Midtowner 12-02-2024, 04:32 PM I didn't realize those had back row and could be a 7 seater. I'm sure it's small but still impressive. I know you went with the BMW. I've been in BMWs since about 2011 and really enjoyed them. They lost me when they started talking about making drivers pay subscription fees for parts of the car to work which they already paid for. Of course I'm driving a Tesla now with full self driving, which costs per month, but that's just such a whole different level of functionality and it's worth it. I'm not paying an extra monthly fee for the heated stearing wheel to work though. Plutonic Panda 12-02-2024, 06:13 PM I know you went with the BMW. I've been in BMWs since about 2011 and really enjoyed them. They lost me when they started talking about making drivers pay subscription fees for parts of the car to work which they already paid for. Of course I'm driving a Tesla now with full self driving, which costs per month, but that's just such a whole different level of functionality and it's worth it. I'm not paying an extra monthly fee for the heated stearing wheel to work though. I’m fairly certain BMW reversed course on the subscription thing. I’ve pretty much been a BMW guy in my life too. I don’t have one right now, but that’s usually the car that I drive. I haven’t been able to afford a new one yet, but I’ve always found them to be amazing cars. Just a lot of upkeep. Bill Robertson 12-02-2024, 06:39 PM I usually keep vehicles 12-15 years, my Tesla Roadster being an exception at 5. I'm about to swap a couple into new ICE or hybrids and do not expect to have problems finding gas for the lifetime I own them. His timeline was 2020-2030. As I said, he's probably off by a decade or two but we'll see. I'd guess maybe 95% of the cars on the road flip every 15 - 20 years, two generations would be 2040's-2050's. I can sure see it happening where most of the cars two flips out would be electric, unless there is a major disruptive accelerator that speeds that up. I used to keep 3 to 8 cars at a time. Buying and selling at a crazy rate. Seldom had one more than 6 to 12 months. The last 20 years or so we each have 1 car and I keep them until they're completely worn out. Right now we have a 2019 and a 2005. Plus a 2002 Miata that's strictly a toy. The '05 will get replaced at some point and the resulting 2 will hopefully be the last cars we have. Bill Robertson 12-02-2024, 06:45 PM I find this funny. I'm on a Jeep forum and a Miata forum. The Jeep forum has a number of people that can't wait for Jeep to go electric because of the torque of electric motors and 4-wheeling is all about slow speeds with lots of torque. The Miata forum has a TON of EV haters. Especially TESLA. Almost every day is a new negative TESLA tread. Midtowner 12-02-2024, 06:56 PM I’m fairly certain BMW reversed course on the subscription thing. I’ve pretty much been a BMW guy in my life too. I don’t have one right now, but that’s usually the car that I drive. I haven’t been able to afford a new one yet, but I’ve always found them to be amazing cars. Just a lot of upkeep. Yeah they did. And my last one was different from your experience. 166,000 miles and not a single non-maintenance issue. The big expense for it was tires because it was xdrive and xdrive is stupid. They did backtrack on that, but when a company shows you that it is thinking about new and exciting ways to soak the customer and they pull back, it's only that now they're going to find a new and sneakier way to do it because selling you a car and making thousands off of the sale and financing just isn't enough anymore. This is kind of how I am and I'm not going to say it's 100% rational. After the winter storms several years ago and the securitization fiasco and especially with Bob Anthony retiring from the OCC, I got pissed at our electric grid and put up solar panels. I've been pissed at the gasoline producers basically since the Russia-Ukraine war started and gasoline increased substantially despite the price of a barrel of oil remaining pretty much the same. They pissed me off and I made a decision a long time ago that I would get away from ICE vehicles. And BMW was something I was considering, but they lost my confidence when they showed how anti consumer they wanted to be. Midtowner 12-02-2024, 07:00 PM I find this funny. I'm on a Jeep forum and a Miata forum. The Jeep forum has a number of people that can't wait for Jeep to go electric because of the torque of electric motors and 4-wheeling is all about slow speeds with lots of torque. The Miata forum has a TON of EV haters. Especially TESLA. Almost every day is a new negative TESLA tread. Oh believe me. I've owned a Tesla for all of 4 days now and everyone out there has all of this unsolicited advice for me. I'm not an expert on build quality, but I don't see any panel gaps on my car. If it's super cold and I can only go 220 miles on a charge instead of 300, for about 360 days out of the year, I'll be just fine. For the other 5, I'll plan accordingly. As for the Miata forum, I guess they just have to try driving any EV and they will learn how ridiculous they're being. I had a client explain to me how bad EVs were because he rented one in Europe once... I mean.. yeah he didn't have a garage where he could start every day with a full charge, so yeah, that wasn't good planning on his part. OKCRealtor 12-02-2024, 07:41 PM I know you went with the BMW. I've been in BMWs since about 2011 and really enjoyed them. They lost me when they started talking about making drivers pay subscription fees for parts of the car to work which they already paid for. Of course I'm driving a Tesla now with full self driving, which costs per month, but that's just such a whole different level of functionality and it's worth it. I'm not paying an extra monthly fee for the heated stearing wheel to work though. Yea fortunately they reversed course on that, I might have been out at that point to especially for something ridiculous like a heated steering wheel or seats. It's a lease so I don't really care all that much other than the monthly payment/terms and it's working out to be about $100/cheaper than my 540 xdrive now so figured why not. I'll realistically save 300-400/mo total based on average fuel consumption & mileage. In all reality though any savings are probably going to make themselves back to tires pretty quick :D I've only put one set of tires on my current car at 50k though so maybe I'll only have to put 2 sets on this one. We'll see. Midtowner 12-03-2024, 09:50 AM Well tires were a huge problem for me in the bimmer. You know how xdrive is--you get the wonderful choice of replacing the full set every time you run over a nail or replacing one tire and having them all wear out quickly anyhow. I've never gone through so many tires in my life. I can't imagine my EV being any worse. The one thing I'll kavetch about is that the Tesla doesn't have a spare tire. I'm going to probably go to autozone and get one of those tire slime tire repair kits so I can limp to a tire store if I ever have an issue. I already have an air pump I carry with me. TheTravellers 12-03-2024, 10:29 AM Well tires were a huge problem for me in the bimmer. You know how xdrive is--you get the wonderful choice of replacing the full set every time you run over a nail or replacing one tire and having them all wear out quickly anyhow. I've never gone through so many tires in my life. I can't imagine my EV being any worse. The one thing I'll kavetch about is that the Tesla doesn't have a spare tire. I'm going to probably go to autozone and get one of those tire slime tire repair kits so I can limp to a tire store if I ever have an issue. I already have an air pump I carry with me. My MINI doesn't have a spare, but it has run-flats, strange that yours doesn't have them *or* a spare... FighttheGoodFight 12-03-2024, 10:31 AM Well tires were a huge problem for me in the bimmer. You know how xdrive is--you get the wonderful choice of replacing the full set every time you run over a nail or replacing one tire and having them all wear out quickly anyhow. I've never gone through so many tires in my life. I can't imagine my EV being any worse. The one thing I'll kavetch about is that the Tesla doesn't have a spare tire. I'm going to probably go to autozone and get one of those tire slime tire repair kits so I can limp to a tire store if I ever have an issue. I already have an air pump I carry with me. Heavily dependent on how you drive the car. Had a friend with an M3 that got 15k out of the stock tires and a friend with a model s AWD that got 58k on the stocks. Has to be down to alignment or driving style. If you get Michelins on the next round they will cut you a check if they last under the amount recommended. Discount tire does it automatically! Bill Robertson 12-03-2024, 10:34 AM My MINI doesn't have a spare, but it has run-flats, strange that yours doesn't have them *or* a spare... I've seen a lot of posts on a Miata forum that the current generation Miata has a "Seal & Inflate" kit instead of a spare. I bet at least a few new models are going that direction. Midtowner 12-03-2024, 12:07 PM I've seen a lot of posts on a Miata forum that the current generation Miata has a "Seal & Inflate" kit instead of a spare. I bet at least a few new models are going that direction. Swinging by Autozone today to pick that up. I'm on the highway too much to not have a spare or any paln at all. Especially in cold weather. Midtowner 12-06-2024, 12:54 PM Wow. Tesla is just now introducing 800 volt supercharger stations. They only work on the Cybertruck and maybe next year's Y. They will be charging around 1,200 miles per hour. And the chargers they're working on for the electric semis are 1200 volt. Of course the electric infarstructure needed to push that sort of current is not insignificant. For persepective, my home charger is 240v/48amps and will charge about 50-60 miles per hour. |